Human rights organizations are fuming biden's decision to give child-murdering mines and authorize their use to a country that agreed to never deploy child-murdering minesThe mask is off, as democrats reveal themselves to be brinskmen of war, and pro-murder hawkshttps://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/20/biden-land-mines-ukraine-00190641‘Frankly shocking’: Human rights groups thrash Biden’s decision to send land mines to UkraineThe move is a policy reversal from 2022, when the administration committed to limiting the use of the mines.Human rights groups are fiercely criticizing President Joe Biden’s decision to give Ukraine anti-personnel land mines as it fights off a Russian invasion.The decision reverses a pledge Biden made to limit the use of such land mines in 2022. It comes as Biden prepares to leave office and reflects mounting U.S. concerns over Russia’s battlefield gains in eastern Ukraine.But although the type of land mine the Biden team is handing to Ukraine has certain safeguards, rights groups nonetheless warned that the weapons pose special and long-term dangers.“Anti-personnel land mines are indiscriminate weapons that kill and maim civilians, and especially children, for generations after wars end,” said Hichem Khadhraoui, executive director of the Center for Civilians in Conflict advocacy group. “These weapons cannot distinguish between civilians and combatants as required by international humanitarian law.”Ben Linden, a top official with Amnesty International USA, said, “It is devastating, and frankly shocking, that President Biden made such a consequential and dangerous decision just before his public service legacy is sealed for the history books.”The Biden administration defended the move on multiple grounds. It noted that the types of mines it is providing are “non-persistent"
The Biden administration in July 2023 began to supply Ukraine with cluster munitions that had been held in large numbers in U.S. military stockpiles since the end of the Cold War, but which the United States had previously been barred from sending. But it held off on sending anti-personnel land mines, such as the ones it is sending now, which can be effective in stopping massed infantry assaults that Ukraine is likely to face from thousands of North Korean troops that have arrived in the Kursk region of Russia, but can be left on the battlefield for generations, potentially long after the conflict is over.More than 50,000 square miles of Ukraine needs to be searched for land mines and explosives, according to Ukrainian government estimates, an area larger than England.Biden in 2022 issued a new policy to bar the U.S. use or transfer of anti-personnel mines outside of the Korean peninsula. This came after then-President Donald Trump in 2020 undid Obama-era restrictions on U.S. land mine uses.The latest decision underscores growing unease within the Biden administration over the desperate battlefield situation as Russia makes slow and costly but incremental gains against Kyiv’s forces in eastern Ukraine.The land mine decision follows another Biden reversal: He recently agreed to let Ukraine use American-supplied long-range missiles for strikes deep inside Russia following months of pressure from Ukraine and its strongest supporters in the West.
The U.S. also has asked Ukraine to restrict its use of the mines — not employing them in areas populated with Ukrainian civilians and to use them on its own territory. The goal of the mines is to limit Russian advances on Ukrainian territory, especially in the east.Russia, which the U.S. says uses long-lasting mines, has placed thousands of such explosives throughout eastern Ukraine, where it has grabbed significant amounts of land.More than 160 countries have signed onto a 1997 international treaty vowing to ban the production, stockpile and transfer of anti-personnel land mines. Ukraine is a signatory to the treaty, but the United States and Russia are not.
>>1363403>illegalAccording to whom?
>>1363408International law. The Ottawa Treaty
>>1363409You know what else is illegal according to international law? Invading your neighbor country and trying to annex their territory.
>>1363411Maybe this all could have been avoided if the Obama administration didn't stay to coup in Ukraine
>>1363412>stay*stage
>>1363403Biden is not going to stop until he hands Trump a nuclear war, is he?
>>1363423Neoconservatives and neoliberals aren't going to stop. They are the ones who have constantly pushed for foreign wars.
This is the only time in history I'd view Biden as based. Damn
>>1363423just let russia rape and pillage whoever they want, right?
>>1363431Ukraine belongs to them. If China ever started a military alliance with Mexico, the US is 100% justified in invading.
>>1363431Why not?
>>1363437>Hey what could go wrong if they just take one little country? It's basically theirs anyway. Besides they just want the one and then they'll stop.This is literally the logic that got us World War 2.
>>1363412>>1363413Maybe the Russian stooge Obama deposed wasn't supposed to be there in the first place.
>>1363438No, that was Britain declaring war on Germany, and Japan spazzing out because we cut off their oil supply.You still haven't explained why it's strategically important to involve ourselves in a slav civil war.
>>1363448>No, that was Britain declaring war on Germanyand why did they do that anon? What was Germany up to at the time?
>>1363451They invaded poland. But Britain didn't have an alliance with poland, otherwise they would've declared war on Russia too.
>>1363409>By August 2022, 164 states had ratified or acceded to the treaty. Major powers, which are also past and current manufacturers of landmines, are not parties to the treaty. These include the United States, China, and RussiaIt's the same as with cluster munitions. No power that intends to actually fight a war, ever signs most of these treaties forbidding the use of certain weapons>>1363412Why do you ascribe this competence to the United States? You really think they can overthrow a government of a country and win the hearts and minds of millions of people with a handful of dollars? You're crazy>>1363423The fuck are you talking about, Biden has been overly cautious with Ukraine, making sure to do everything in his power to prevent them from winning, as long as they don't lose either.>>1363437Depending on where you live the answer is either because you'll be the next on the chopping block or because you probably won't have a good time living in a world where wars of expansion are part of the status-quo again
>>1363433Except the US wouldn't be annexing parts of Mexico or commit genocide among the population trying to Americanize them.Not to mention Ukraine never had any interest in joining NATO, even after the annexation of Crimea it took about half a year or so for those sentiments to develop.Maidan was just about wanting closer ties to the EU, it had nothing to do with a military alliance
>>1363458>No power that intends to actually fight a war, ever signs most of these treaties forbidding the use of certain weaponsUkraine signed it.
>>1363461Because they never intended to fight a war, what's your point?
>>1363458Oh my, it's another lefty having a melty
>>1363463surely you can point out to me which of the views I expressed in my post are left-wing
>>1363448>You still haven't explained why it's strategically important to involve ourselves in a slav civil warThis "slav civil war" sets a precedent for he future. If whatever outcome this has is viewed as a victory for the Russians the obvious lesson for everyone watching will be that wars of expansion are viable again. Just grab a bunch of your neighbors shit and hold on to it for long enough that the western powers supporting your neighbor lose interest.Not sure that's a world I want to live in anon
>Z-tards, Chimpan-Zs, putinpenispolishers, and other assorted filth screaming, crying, shitting pantsThere's an easy way to end this, but little vlad knows he's toast(thrown from a high window) if he pulls out and admits defeat.
>>1363466..what?This war is literally about preventing Ukraine from being incorporated into NATO, which has been expanding eastwards for decades.
>>1363470>This war is literally about preventing Ukraine from being incorporated into NATONope, Ukraine and it's people originally had no desire to join NATO when the war started in 2014, that only came after>which has been expanding eastwards for decadesYou are aware that NATO membership is voluntary? Would you want to make a guess why all those former Pact countries would want to join though after seeing what happened in Georgia and Chechnya? Poland practically blackmailed the US to let them join.If this is just a war of stopping NATO, what's up with all the annexation of territory and genocide? Not to mention if that really was the goal, it's going pretty poorly, seeing how NATO gained two member states and everyone is starting to take defense spending more seriously now
>>1363474>Nope, Ukraine and it's people originally had no desire to join NATO when the war started in 2014, that only came afterWe promised Gorbachev that we wouldn't move east of Berlin after the fall of the USSR, but we have been doing that since NATO's creation. This is factually a war of expansion, with the US using Ukraine as a proxy.>If this is just a war of stopping NATO, what's up with all the annexation of territory and genocide?This situation is analogous to the cuban missile crisis and the bay of pigs.
Idiots like OP are drawn to politics because unlike science, philosophy. And the arts. Any fool can have van opinion
>>1363476I like the idea of having van opinions. We should all drive around in vans with our idiot opinions printed on the side in big bold letters.
>>1363476What strange punctuation and phrasingWhere are you from?
>>1363466Simple time.The USA just spent the better part of two decades in a forever war/world police situation. Which we have been roundly mocked for, in case you need reminding.The American people are, by and large, sick of it. We have far better things for our federal government to spend it's attention and our tax dollars on. We are out. Someone else can take a turn.
>>1363466Anon, we don't live in the age of imperialism anymore. This isn't house of dragons. We don't need to resort to funding wars in foreign countries that have nothing to do with us just to increase our stature.We have NATO which ensures our security as a group against potentially hostile countries, and there is a very good reason that Ukraine was never allowed in our exclusive club.We have no business being in Ukraine or involving ourselves in a slav vs slav showdown that doesn't involve us
