https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-russia-would-use-all-weapons-its-disposal-if-ukraine-got-nuclear-2024-11-28/ASTANA, Nov 28 (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday that Russia would use all weapons at its disposal against Ukraine if Kyiv were to acquire nuclear arms.The New York Times reported last week that some unidentified Western officials had suggested U.S. President Joe Biden could give Ukraine nuclear weapons before he leaves office."If the country which we are essentially at war with now becomes a nuclear power, what do we do? In this case, we will use all, I want to emphasize this, precisely all means of destruction available to Russia. Everything: we will not allow it. We'll be watching their every move", Putin said during a press conference in Astana, Kazakhstan."If officially someone were to transfer something, then that would mean a violation of all the non-proliferation commitments they have made," Putin said.Putin also said it was practically impossible for Ukraine to produce a nuclear weapon, but that it might be able to make some kind of "dirty bomb", a conventional bomb laced with radioactive material in order to spread contamination. In that case, Russia would respond appropriately, he said.Russia has repeatedly said, without providing evidence, that Ukraine might use such a device.
Hopefully they do wipe Ukraine off the map
>>1364717Putin has been scaring the Russian population with the fake threat of Ukraine acquiring nukes for over a decade now, but at least he stopped making up biological weapons lab memes.
>>1364717>1000+ days into Russia's failure to win a minor war on their border.
>>1364721>>1364722>wipes out Ukraine>entire country you wanted to conquer for yourself is now worthless. An entire generation of men are dead and the only thing you won is a irradiated waste and international scornIf you have to resort to nukes in an invasion you started, you've officially wasted everything you put in.
>>1364726No one is trying to nuke anyone, retard. Russia has been trying to deescalate this war for over a year, but the Biden admin won't let it end. The only country insane and retarded enough to even use a nuke in the modern day is Israel
>>1364741>Russia has been trying to deescalate this war for over a year, but the Biden admin won't let it end.I'm sorry, which country is invading who here? You seem rather confused.
>>1364742Quick timeline of events for the uninitiated>first year of the war>Russia repeatedly offers peace to Ukraine in exchange for the territory they had already taken>US and Britain told Zelensky not to surrender under any circumstances>repeat ad nauseam until Ukraine loses most of its menThe goal for the United States isn't to help Ukraine win. It's to grind all of the fighting aged men down so that they cannot repopulate Ukraine. If you are a country that is trying to protect your people, peace is literally the easiest way to do that. But NATO isn't allowing them that luxury.
>>1364746>Just let me keep the parts of the country I took lolYou better be getting paid by vlad for this.
>>1364748Hate to break it to you, but there is no way Ukraine is going to win against Russia, and those eastern territories are already lost and not coming back any time soon
>>1364746What does the US stand to benefit from wiping out a generation of Ukrainian men? To me this just looks like Murrica and Russia having a dick measuring contest and Ukraine is the twink they're taking turns fucking to show off.
>>1364750>What does the US stand to benefit from wiping out a generation of Ukrainian men? The donbass region is home to the largest deposits of natural gas in the world. Natural gas is used to create fertilizer.Displacing the native population of a region also devalues the property value of said region, which allows it to be bought at a cheaper price. See: Gaza and Blackrock talking about building it into beach-front property (literally).
>>1364748>we must facilitate slav genocide to protect democracy goy, don't you want to protect democracy?>*flies flag of foreign country in our congress*Neocons are a blight on our nation.
>>1364751Ahh yeah that explains it all then. Didn't realize it was a huge natural gas resource. The people at the top all know how hard we're going to get fucked by the climate in the next couple decades and want to hoard all the fertilizer they can before the general population catches on to how bad the situation is.
>>1364786Lindsey Graham wants then Ucrane rare earths and all that breadbasket and at the same time to give his MIC donates tax $. And if course, he wants US carpetbaggers BACK IN THE USSR.
>>1364791Why wouldn't Lindsey retrieve US rare earths and use the US breadbasket?
>>1364717good if they can start with california and nyc that'd be perfect.
>>1364741>>1364753>America is forcing the Ukrainians to fightWhy is the myth that America is the only country with any agency so prevalent? If Ukraine wanted to surrender to the Russians, it could, regards of what the West wants.
>>1364717This has to be about the only Russian red line so far worth taking seriously I believe>>1364741Can't even tell how many layers of irony this post is on>>1364726The implications are beyond that. Imagine, for a second, a world in which a nuclear power has used nukes in a war of aggression to conquer territory. If suddenly this becomes a possibility then every country on earth will have a huge incentive to acquire nukes for themselves all of a sudden and that's a big no-no for the current nuclear power.Russia would absolutely lose its last remaining allies in this scenario>>1364746>US and Britain told Zelensky not to surrender under any circumstancesYou're most likely referring to Ukraine declining to negotiate peace after the first month or so of the war, where rumors circulated that Jhonson told them not to surrender.The reality was much simpler, after winning the battle of Kyiv Ukraine both saw that they were able to hold Russia back and with places like Bucha also saw what Russian occupation means for the population. I can't blame them for not wanting to negotiate.>>1364749>there is no way Ukraine is going to win against Russia*without western supportthe window is closing, I agree, but if the west actually wanted Ukraine to win, they could easily do it>>1364814Cold War spheres of influence mentalityIt's the same reason why people act like Russia's strategy concerns are somehow more valid than Ukraine's right to exist
>>1364809Ucrane has much more rere earths thsn The US, and to get them means severe environmental damage, but Ucrane...muh. and Ucrane supplies 1/2 the world's wheat
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>>1364750>the USthat would imply that the MIC, CIA and the gozzilionaires who own politicians care about the USlol. lmao even
>>1364814Ukraine signed a lend-lease bill. Which means that it needs to pay back all of the weapons and money it has been given by the US, with interest. If Ukraine doesn't pay back what it owes the US, then the US will invent a pretense to invade them and extract the natural resources in the region. So the US is effectively calling the shots on everything they do.The US did the same shit with Britain during WWII. It took them until 2006 to pay off their debt to the United States. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease#Repayment
>>1364880Yeah I remember the time where we threatened to invade Britain.Also I thought your point was that the US was funding a losing war? If you're so confident that Ukraine will lose, doesn't Lend Lease not make sense because Russia will just take over instead and nothing will get paid back?
>>1364873Ohh that's who I meant, is what interest it has to the oligarchs that run the US. Obviously the regular citizens don't have any say and no one gives a fuck about them.
>>1364880That makes it all make sense. Have the US give Ukraine unlimited weapons, but as a loan (opposed to Isreal where it's a gift) so that a butfuck tiny country can oppose all of Russia.
>>1364749Hate to break it to you, but there is no way russia is going to win against Earth
>>1364882>If you're so confident that Ukraine will lose, doesn't Lend Lease not make sense because Russia will just take over instead and nothing will get paid back?The only outcome that doesn't involve the USA reclaiming their debts, either by occupation or through voluntary repayment of debts, is if Ukraine makes peace with Russia (or vice versa).Peace is impossible if the Ukrainians no longer exist. In fact, if Putin nukes Ukraine, that basically gives the US every conceivable excuse necessary to invade and occupy Ukraine for the foreseeable future. Which is basically why DC is unironically suggesting giving Ukraine tactical nukes.
>>1364953...and if Russia wins? They're not going for peace anon.
>>1364957If Russia wins then the US invades Ukraine. Simple as.
>>1364979Ah yes, perfectly logical. Invade the now Russian territory and start world war 3.
>>1364953>Which is basically why DC is unironically suggesting giving Ukraine tactical nukes.This is literal Russian propaganda.
>>1364953What an infantile view of geopolitics
>>1364980The US is actively already trying to start world war 3 by encouraging Isreal both committing genocide in the open with US arms and then poking both Lebanon and fucking Iran on top of it. I can totally see the oligarchs sending troops to invade Ukraine if Russia won.
>>1364979I mean, after conscripting all NAFO troons, and eurotrash to fight the ground war, sure.
>>1365021>US is actively already trying to start world war 3Are you high?How is a war between Israel and Iran going to lead to WW3?If the US wants WW3 why are they so timid about supporting Ukraine? Wouldn't that be a much better angle?
>>1364741if russia truly wanted this war to be over, they'd turn around and go home.
>>1365104Or Ukraine could have just not kept escalating or into an invasion
>>1365049>How is a war between Israel and Iran going to lead to WW3?Iran could close the strait of hormuze, the waterway critical to GCC oil exports. The Gulf Cooperation Council's (GCC) exports account for about 25% of the world's crude oil exports. If that happens, everybody needs to become involved in the conflict.
>>1365010https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/21/us/politics/trump-russia-ukraine-war.html>"So U.S. and European officials are discussing deterrence as a possible security guarantee for Ukraine, such as stockpiling a conventional arsenal sufficient to strike a punishing blow if Russia violates a cease-fire.>Several officials even suggested that Mr. Biden could return nuclear weapons to Ukraine that were taken from it after the fall of the Soviet Union. That would be an instant and enormous deterrent. But such a step would be complicated and have serious implications."
>>1365111How is Ukraine escalating?>turning it into an invasionIt turned into an invasion in autumn 2022, when Putin annexed the occupied territories. By claiming that attacks in Kursk or US weapons use in Kursk are a new step on the escalation ladder Russia undermines the legitimacy of those annexations. You can't eat your cake and have it.
>>1365125I'd say it's not a World War unless major powers are ACTIVELY involved in fighting against one another, otherwise every proxy war in the last century would have been WW3.And I'm not sure if there is any major power that would support keeping that strait closed
>>1365127That's literally just some dudes discussing all possible options though, no?And no matter which side you're on, you have to agree that giving nukes to Ukraine is one option, therefore it is worth discussing.But anyone pushing this narrative completely ignores that realistically this won't happen unless something changes drastically.
>>1365131>That's literally just some dudes discussing all possible options though, no?I spit out my drink.No, it's pure insanity.Ukraine is in a war for survival. Giving them nukes would mean they would most assuredly use them, prompting Russia to enter a nuclear exchange. This is coming on the heels of a US administration that is openly in favor of war profiteering. They care about the bottom line, not the potential loss of life.There's a serious question as to whether or not the Biden admin is kicking a hornet's nest on the way out as a way to blame Trump for all of this retardation.
>>1365131so you want to start a nuclear war?if you think its just the other side of the world and won't affect you, need i remind you there are Russian ships with possible nuclear missiles being transported to cuba this year.https://globalnews.ca/news/10562551/russian-warships-enter-cuba/
>>1365163>>1365172First of all you both seem to have missed my point. I'm saying that someone being aware of an option and someone actually picking that options are tow very different things.And as I said, I highly doubt this is gonna happen unless things change drastically, because no nuclear power is interested in allowing more nuclear powers to spring up>Giving them nukes would mean they would most assuredly use themWhich is why the discussion is about giving them nukes after a potential cease-fire as a way to make sure Russia doesn't break it like it broke the last two>US administration that is openly in favor of war profiteeringFor the to profiteer from this, they're awfully stingy about sending any help to Ukraine. I'm sure there is plenty of stuff Ukraine would like to buy with EU money that the US isn't giving them>Biden admin is kicking a hornet's nest on the way outFor example?>>1365172>if you think its just the other side of the worldI'm in Europe, so I understand that if Russia achieves anything that they could interpret as a victory, land wars for land grabs will be the new status-quo here
>>1365188the problem is that'd be tantamount to handing someone in a fist fight a gun and expecting not to be dragged into the conflict from it.Not putting it above the americans to be that stupid but there's a reason the western world is using Ukraine as a proxy front and aren't directly going to war with Russia itself. The moment it gets nuclear I'm willing to bet the western world just says fuck it ukraine you're on your own because the war lines will of moved by then and if it hasn't you can damn well bet public sentiment will, the moment russia starts threatening those POS slacktivists online with actual nukes.No one is taking this ukraine/russia war seriously and they'll want to keep it that way, they're taking the israel/palestine one much more seriously because of how many muslim refugees and the threat of terroristic attacks in western countries.
>>1365188assuming they do manage to get a cease-fire with Russia if the UN doesn't even trust Ukraine enough to allow them to join due to alleged corruption, there is no world where any major superpower trusts them with nukes.
>>1365189is this post AI generated? It's like you don't even read what I say>>1365190what? Ukraine is a UN member state>there is no world where any major superpower trusts them with nukesthat's exactly the point I'm making
>>1365194There is no world where that is a realistic "option" that doesn't drag the world into nuclear war. That's the point that's why you even considering it as an option is utterly asinine. Its like saying world hunger could be solved we should just have all world leaders agree to confiscate their richest 1%'s wealth and contribute it to a global food bank.my b got UN mixed up with NATO.
>>1365188>I'm saying that someone being aware of an option and someone actually picking that options are tow very different things.There are some ideas so ridiculous, so retarded, that speaking them aloud makes others question your ability to reason as a functioning adult.Handing nukes to the most (probably second most) corrupt European state wouldn't just be retarded, it would be catastrophic. It would probably drag the rest of the west into a prolonged nuclear conflict. >For example?The Biden admin has already made steps to escalate the conflict, e.g allowing Ukraine to use long-range missiles against Russia. The reason why Iran doesn't immediately nuke Israel (or vice versa) is because there is a series of intermediary steps between peace and total war during international conflicts. Escalations of violence are seen as a measure of last resort, even in situations where genocide is on the table, because pyrrhic victories do actually exist.
>>1364717Why wait? Is Putin a pussy ass bitch?People are saying yes
>>1365246>allowing Ukraine to use long-range missiles against RussiaUkraine has already been using missiles with significantly longer ranges against Russian territory for quite some time, ATACMS is only "long-range" compared to other tactical weapons, it has a shorter range than the Russian Short-Range Ballistic Missile Russia has recently used.Also from the Russian perspective Ukraine has already been using ATACMS against Russian territory ever since they got them, so while it is in their interest to portray this as some huge new escalation, it really isn't>Escalations of violence are seen as a measure of last resortSure, but by that measure what Biden has done can hardly be classified as significantly escalatory. He just allowed Ukraine to do something they've already been doing (hitting Strategy targets in the Russian backlines) more effectively. Not to mention this lifting of restrictions still only applies only to the Kursk region.
>>1365246>>1365265Biden allowing new missiles is barely an escalation when you remember Russia literally brought in foreign non-mercenary troops (albeit North Korean ones who quickly decided to get addicted to porn instead) to the conflict.
>>1365569I hate it when people try to frame this as a some kind of ideological conflict when it's really just Putin invading his neighbor country because he needs a western boogeyman to stay in power.
Did NATO annex Crimea? Did NATO invade Ukraine?
