Yeah. All them miles of unsecured border. With a fence, or a wall that will stop the cartels and their tunnels the serious problems move through. Mexicans don't have ladder technology.

And who cares about due process? If they don't "look right" just throw 'em on the bus to the deportation cannon.

>>1366828
>Yeah. All them miles of unsecured border. With a fence, or a wall that will stop the cartels and their tunnels the serious problems move through. Mexicans don't have ladder technology.
weird how it works for the jews and their border issues. also ladder means good luck bringing the ladder and your kids through the desert and getting down the other side of the drop in the desert with your shit and your kids. a wall would cause a lot of illegals to die, which is based
>And who cares about due process? If they don't "look right" just throw 'em on the bus to the deportation cannon.
illegals don't deserve due process. no birth certificate means straight into the camps

>>1366837
Part of the due process in this case would be proving their illegals.

Ladders don't have to be what you're thinking of there. You're lacking imagination.

Ultimately, your economic state rapidly devolving will do more to stem the flow than everything else. It's even going to get it flowing the opposite direction. Rejoice.

>>1366828
>With a fence, or a wall that will stop the cartels and their tunnels the serious problems move through. Mexicans don't have ladder technology.
Bro a floating fence in Texas cut their illegal immigration more than half

>>1366822
paste the article newfaggot

>>1366855
How are you this gullible?

>>1366905
>How are you this gullible?
It takes a lotta practice, and consistent effort over time.

>>1366822
Based
Everyone should have guns. Even north Koreans

>>1366839
>Part of the due process in this case would be proving their illegals.
don't give them lawyers
>Ladders don't have to be what you're thinking of there. You're lacking imagination.
not hard to have drones check the area for structures
>Ultimately, your economic state rapidly devolving will do more to stem the flow than everything else. It's even going to get it flowing the opposite direction. Rejoice.
trump will fix the economy brandon tried to destroy
>>1366855
good post

>>1366905
>paste the article newfaggot
not in the rules tranni boi
also he is right
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-has-spent-millions-placing-razor-wire-along-border-working

>>1367090
Read your own article retard. It's Texans hyping themselves up.
>"What the wire did from my reading of this is it shifted that flow west," he explained. "And that's important, because that's a much longer route. You're adding hundreds of miles to that smuggling journey."
>"It's a temporary solution, because you're going to have to replace the concertina wire that they have and, at some point, they're not going to be able to keep sending wave after wave of troopers, because a lot of those guys are hundreds of miles from their homes, because Texas is a big state," he explained. "When I was embedded with a trooper down there, he was from Abilene, which is nowhere near the border, and he had been there for six weeks."

So in exchange for migrants just heading to a different location, you waste millions constantly maintaining the barbed wire.

And that's assuming Abbott doesn't just fudge numbers to make any measure he takes look good. He's corrupt enough I could genuinely believe it.

>>1367118
>So in exchange for migrants just heading to a different location
yeah, california, not the USA or texas. you retarded tranny
> you waste millions constantly maintaining the barbed wire.
the mayor of NYC said 33,600 illegals cost the city $708 million. So a million or 2 to kill illegals with razor wire is a bargain, faggot. If money is your concern, we should be shooting the illegals in the head the second they get over because they are extremely expensive with zero benefit
https://www.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/006-24/mayor-adams-suit-against-texas-charter-bus-companies-seeking-708-million-cover-costs

>>1367140
>yeah, california, not the USA or texas. you retarded tranny
West of the small bit of wall they set up retard. At most, New Mexico, maybe Arizona. But more likely just somewhere else in Texas itself.
>the mayor of NYC said 33,600 illegals cost the city $708 million.
Retard the migrants getting shipped to NYC are legal. If they weren't they'd just be deported. Also the irony is the migrants deterred by the wire are still getting in, just from different locations (at least when they aren't cutting it themselves). At least New York's costs are actually being used for housing and food for them; Texas has spent 4 billion on their "Operation Lone Star" yet complains every day they're on record high numbers. It actually seems like they've spent more on trying to prevent migrants than the actual migrants.

Again this is all assuming Abbott isn't just lying about his numbers. There's something awfully suspicious about simultaneously claiming you've reduced migration by 70% through your measures but also claiming you're at record highs.

>>1367289
>Retard the migrants getting shipped to NYC are legal. If they weren't they'd just be deported
Retard, most of the immigrants probably were illegal and in danger of getting deported when they were originally caught before they claimed asylum in an effort to stay here

>>1367289
>There's something awfully suspicious about simultaneously claiming you've reduced migration by 70% through your measures but also claiming you're at record highs.
The numbers were at record highs before he reduced them by 70% you absolute retard

>>1367289
>West of the small bit of wall they set up retard. At most, New Mexico, maybe Arizona. But more likely just somewhere else in Texas itself.
source? all you do is argue from a place of ignorance and retardation and make up complete lies with no source and then demand other people waste their time proving you wrong
https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/operation-lone-star-continues-to-repel-hundreds-of-illegal-immigrants
they aren't going to texas, they are showing up in california for the gibs
>Retard the migrants getting shipped to NYC are legal.
they literally aren't retard. texas is only shipping the illegals
>If they weren't they'd just be deported.
you have no idea what you are talking about. what is it like being an ignorant retard arguing about a country you don't even live in?
>Also the irony is the migrants deterred by the wire are still getting in, just from different locations (at least when they aren't cutting it themselves).
in california, which is california's problem and not texas's problem. its literally problem solved
> At least New York's costs are actually being used for housing and food for them;
that isn't a good thing no illegal should be fed or housed
>Texas has spent 4 billion on their "Operation Lone Star" yet complains every day they're on record high numbers. It actually seems like they've spent more on trying to prevent migrants than the actual migrants.
a. source on the 4 billion number
b. judging by the fact that 36,000 illegals cost NYC $0.7 billion it seems like texas is saving money by getting rid of them
>>1367293
>>1367294
good posts

>>1367308
Imagine being this stupid and gullible at the same time. Here's a clue
https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2023/09/08/are-migrants-in-the-city-here-legally--the-answer-is-largely-yes---for-now

>>1367312
>“Migrants who are in New York right now who are seeking asylum are in the country legally — for the time being,”
once again, arguing from a place of retardation and ignorance. asylum grant rates are like 7% for latin american countries. they are illegals who are abusing the asylum system to make a false asylum claim because biden just lets them not go to court and live in the US illegally and get free gibs.
if you hear someone is "seeking asylum" they are 100% an illegal who has no place being here

>>1367316
It's not democrat's fault that every time Abbott or Desantis shipped migrants to another state, they inadvertently granted them amnesty.

>>1367317
they don't get amnesty by from getting shipped to another state. the current meta is they show up in the US, demand amnesty when caught inside the US and then never go to their court date due to catch and release. this wasn't an issue under trump because trump had remain in mexico, the dems got rid of, and trump put illegals in concentration camps instead of catch and release (which the dems got rid of). Plus trump separated the kids who were being raped and trafficked from the illegals which biden stopped doing

>>1367322
they do get amnesty every single time they sign the fraudulent forms Abbott and Desantis have been giving them. It sounds like you don't know this has already been happening for months.

>>1367325
>https://www.texastribune.org/2022/04/18/texas-border-security-spending/
(((pro publica)))
actual chinese propaganda, and that also says the $4 billion was over multiple years and some was from the feds
>Actually it costs Texas around $1650 per migrant bussed. So, for the 36,000 migrants, it cost texas around 594 million. If you factor in that lawsuits almost universally ask for more money than the actual damages, Texas is either very close to or actively is spending more money busing them over than it costs New York to keep them.
the lawsuit was suing the bus company, not texas and it was the cost, not punitive damages and texas's was a 1 time thing, nyc's is yearly so texas was saving that cash
>>1367327
>they do get amnesty every single time they sign the fraudulent forms Abbott and Desantis have been giving them. It sounds like you don't know this has already been happening for months.
surely you have a source for this and aren't talking out of your ass

>>1367308
>a. source on the 4 billion number
>https://www.texastribune.org/2022/04/18/texas-border-security-spending/

Sorry, 4 billion in 2022. Right now they're at 10 billion over the last 4 years.

>>1367328
>surely you have a source for this and aren't talking out of your ass
https://www.wgbh.org/news/local/2022-10-13/texas-sheriff-certifies-the-marthas-vineyard-migrants-are-crime-victims-opening-the-door-for-special-visas

>>1367336
>Sorry, 4 billion in 2022. Right now they're at 10 billion over the last 4 years.
the (((pro publica))) chinese propaganda article you linked literally does not say that

>>1367339
that doesn't say they automatically get amnesty, illiterate. plus even if it did, they are in mass, not America, they are mass's problem, not texas's Also I remember that
>tons of illegals flooding into texas and florida
>wheel chair man and pudding fingers send them to martha's vineyard
>governor of mass sends ever state trooper and the national guard to martha's vineyard to force the illegals into a camp on the main land at gun point while the rich as fuck martha's vineyard dems pretend they were so great to illegals because the illegals were there for less than 48 hours before men with guns forcibly removed them.
just another example of
>refugees welcome
>wait no, not here, we mean welcome to red states, not here in blue cities

>>1367340
Anon you can literally check their current spending anywhere. I deleted the first post because my math was off when I was comparing the price of busing compared to NYC's lawsuit.

>https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/governor-abbotts-operation-lone-star-touts-thousands-of-arrests-10-billion-cost/

Also, while looking for additional sources, I found this fucking bombshell.
>The government’s data about OLS is inconsistent across state agencies. In these data sets, there were 38,030 arrests reported by DPS but only 13,306 people appeared before a magistrate as reported by OCA.
Looks like my hunch that Abbott might be fudging his numbers might be right.
>https://www.aclutx.org/en/press-releases/aclu-texas-report-shows-failures-11-billion-immigration-enforcement-program-operation

>>1367346
>governor of mass sends ever state trooper and the national guard to martha's vineyard to force the illegals into a camp on the main land at gun point while the rich as fuck martha's vineyard dems pretend they were so great to illegals because the illegals were there for less than 48 hours before men with guns forcibly removed them.
Not what happened retard. What happened is they promised them jobs at the Vineyard that were seasonal. By the time they got there they had nowhere to work because the timeframe those jobs were open had closed. As a result, they were given shelter in a local church before they went to a military base with proper room for them (because shockingly a single church only has room for about a dozen or two of people) that could arrange for them to go places that actually had jobs available at that moment.

>>1367347
>Anon you can literally check their current spending anywhere. I deleted the first post because my math was off when I was comparing the price of busing compared to NYC's lawsuit.
so because you are retarded
>>https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/governor-abbotts-operation-lone-star-touts-thousands-of-arrests-10-billion-cost/

>Also, while looking for additional sources, I found this fucking bombshell.
>>The government’s data about OLS is inconsistent across state agencies. In these data sets, there were 38,030 arrests reported by DPS but only 13,306 people appeared before a magistrate as reported by OCA.
>Looks like my hunch that Abbott might be fudging his numbers might be right.
a. still cheaper than the per head cost nyc says happened, especially since he got illegals down by like half
b. billions in defense, but not one cent for tribute
I'm fine with spending money cracking illegal's skulls and maiming them with razor wire when they try to get in. it's mega based. Why don't we round up all the illegals and send them to your down in your third world country
>>https://www.aclutx.org/en/press-releases/aclu-texas-report-shows-failures-11-billion-immigration-enforcement-program-operation
(((aclu)))
top keke, actual chinese propaganda

>>1367348
>Not what happened retard.
its literally what happened
https://patch.com/massachusetts/marthasvineyard/ma-national-guard-activated-aid-marthas-vineyard-migrants
> What happened is they promised them jobs at the Vineyard that were seasonal.
they weren't. no one ever gave them jobs
>By the time they got there they had nowhere to work because the timeframe those jobs were open had closed. As a result, they were given shelter in a local church before they went to a military base with proper room for them (because shockingly a single church only has room for about a dozen or two of people)
martha's vineyard is full of a fuck ton of hotels and mansions owned by rich democrats like clinton and obongo. they literally could have put the illegals up in obongo's mansion or in a hotel like they do in NYC, instead they had the state police and national guard go in with guns and move the illegals to a detention camp on the national guard base
>that could arrange for them to go places that actually had jobs available at that moment.
they aren't allowed to work. they are here illegally. they don't have working permits/visas
its fucking retarded that you defend rich faggots kicking illegals off their playground island but think its fine for blue cities, biden and obongo to ship illegals and "refugees" to small red towns in the middle of the night on charter planes or expect border towns in texas to house all the illegals

>>1367350
Anon are you actually trying to deny their budget rate?

>b. billions in defense, but not one cent for tribute
More like billions into Abbott's and pals' pockets. Abbott hires people he gets kickbacks from. He then reports inflated numbers to make it seem like a crisis is happening so people don't question it. Except we actually look at the court records and see the amount of actual charges are 1/3rd of his arrests, meaning either that of the people arrested by OLS are released immediately, or that his arrest numbers are lies to drum up support.

Anon, you don't find it the least bit suspect they're simultaneously claiming an unstoppable crisis but also that they got numbers down by 87%?

>>1367358
>they weren't. no one ever gave them jobs
Yes. Except they were told they were going to get them. The positions they were specifically promised were seasonal and closed by the time they got there.

>martha's vineyard is full of a fuck ton of hotels and mansions owned by rich democrats like clinton and obongo
The hotels were already full and the homes wouldn't have enough room for 50 people because most of the places are just summer homes. They also weren't escorted off to a detention camp, they voluntarily left to go live in dorms. They literally asked the migrants afterwards and they were pretty appreciative of the people of the Vineyard for helping them out while they tried to find somewhere they could actually get work and homes they could afford.
>https://www.wgbh.org/news/local/2023-09-14/a-journey-continues-migrants-reflect-one-year-after-being-flown-to-marthas-vineyard

But keep writing your fanfic ig.

>>1367360
>Anon are you actually trying to deny their budget rate?
I'm saying (((pro publica))) and the (((aclu))) are communist propaganda orgs so I don't believe them
>More like billions into Abbott's and pals' pockets. Abbott hires people he gets kickbacks from.
so blame dems for creating the crisis so he can do that. also this is wild speculation on your point not based on fact
>He then reports inflated numbers to make it seem like a crisis is happening so people don't question it.
it is a crisis. the mayors of nyc, dc and chicago said it was a chris as did the governor of mass
>Except we actually look at the court records and see the amount of actual charges are 1/3rd of his arrests, meaning either that of the people arrested by OLS are released immediately, or that his arrest numbers are lies to drum up support.
doesn't change the fact there is a border crisis and we need to do something about it and we need to get rid of those illegals
>Anon, you don't find it the least bit suspect they're simultaneously claiming an unstoppable crisis but also that they got numbers down by 87%?
the crisis is 100% caused by biden and the dems refusing to do anything to protect the border when its the job of the federal government to do so. the 3 highest years on record for illegals coming in were 2021, 2022 and 2023. putting up razor wire makes the illegals go to san diego instead which isn't a big deal since dems and (((ngos))) pay for the caravans anyway and transit at that point is easy as shit since they are already in the part of mexico that has roads and trains.
why don't we compromise, first we put all the illegals into concentration camps with zero food or water in the desert and then we investigate wheel chair man ?

>>1367363
Ok anon, let me lay it out for you:
>Texas takes migrants they actually can afford to have and sends them to states that aren't ready for the influx
>Texas lies about their arrest rates to justify their shiny new source of income for Abbott and the higher ups
>Them lying about their arrest rates result in "higher" illegal counts for 2021.

You're really not going to question how we somehow have record numbers but record reductions courtesy of operation lone star? Perhaps you're being bullshitted.

>>1367362
>Yes. Except they were told they were going to get them.
source? they literally can't fucking work, they don't have visas
>The positions they were specifically promised were seasonal and closed by the time they got there.
very convenient, surely you have an article showing them working those jobs in 2023 and 2024?
>The hotels were already full
they weren't. it was the off season retard. they could have also just kicked people out like nyc did
>and the homes wouldn't have enough room for 50 people because most of the places are just summer homes.
they were unoccupied summer mansion's owned by the mega rich. there were rooms on those compounds. they literally could have had enough room. Obongo's mansion is 7 beds 8 baths and it's just one of dozens of mansions on the island
https://wbsm.com/marthas-vineyard-obama-mansion-bathrooms/
>They also weren't escorted off to a detention camp, they voluntarily left to go live in dorms.
they "voluntarily" left to go to where the men with guns were telling them to go. in venezuala their national police/national guard are known for brutalizing people. they went under duress
>They literally asked the migrants afterwards and they were pretty appreciative of the people of the Vineyard for helping them out while they tried to find somewhere they could actually get work and homes they could afford.
they aren't allowed to fucking work, they don't have visas
>afford
lmao, only you poor fags should be burdened by illegals, not us rich aristocracy
>https://www.wgbh.org/news/local/2023-09-14/a-journey-continues-migrants-reflect-one-year-after-being-flown-to-marthas-vineyard

>But keep writing your fanfic ig.
the fucking article you fucking posted even says he is working illegally
"Luzardo takes home about $600 a month. It’s all under the table while he awaits legal work authorization."

>>1367369
>>Texas takes migrants they actually can afford to have
a. texas can't afford to have any migrants
b. why the fuck should texas have to take in any migrants when they voted for no migrants?
> and sends them to states that aren't ready for the influx
NYC, Martha's vineyard, chicago and denver are some of the richest cities in the country and they voted for illegals. they should be forced to take in their fair share. it isn't fair for rich blue cities to demand more illegals to be sent to red states and towns only
>>Texas lies about their arrest rates to justify their shiny new source of income for Abbott and the higher ups
a. pure speculation with zero evidence
b. don't care
>>Them lying about their arrest rates result in "higher" illegal counts for 2021.
the illegal counts come from the federal government, not texas, retardo
>You're really not going to question how we somehow have record numbers but record reductions courtesy of operation lone star? Perhaps you're being bullshitted.
we had record numbers for 2021, 2022 and 2023 and then the numbers went down in 2024 to still very high numbers but lower than the record sent in 2023

>>1367371
>the illegal counts come from the federal government, not texas, retardo
From data given to them by Texas.
>we had record numbers for 2021, 2022 and 2023 and then the numbers went down in 2024 to still very high numbers but lower than the record sent in 2023
Abbott realizes if numbers keep going up despite spending billions, it looks bad. So he rolls the numbers back slightly for 2024.
>https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/06/us-extreme-anti-immigrant-proposals-texas
80% of their arrests were US citizens. Most of whom on trumped up charges.

>>1367385
>From data given to them by Texas.
no, retardo, from data obtained by the federal border patrol
>Abbott realizes if numbers keep going up despite spending billions, it looks bad. So he rolls the numbers back slightly for 2024.
the numbers going up looked bad for biden. it was literally one of the big reasons biden lost
>80% of their arrests were US citizens. Most of whom on trumped up charges.
don't care. all illegals should be dragged from their homes like dogs and send to concentration camps without food or water or shelter

>>1367358
>they aren't allowed to work. they are here illegally. they don't have working permits/visas
Then why are they here and why haven't they been shown the door?
]>>1367412

>>1367412
>all illegals should be dragged from their homes like dogs and send to concentration camps without food or water or shelter

>Does this
>US economy collapses overnight
Thank god you retards don't control anything.

>>1367438
>Then why are they here
free gibs from the government
>and why haven't they been shown the door?
dems want a permanent underclass of brown slaves who work for less than the minimum wage and don't pay taxes/payroll taxes see >>1367458
>>1367458
>>Does this
>US economy collapses overnight
>Thank god you retards don't control anything.
we need a higher minimum wage so people can live comfortably, but we also need a permanent underclass of brown slaves working as scabs for less than that minimum wage which is obviously way too high.