https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/elon-musk/trump-musk-tesla-white-house-showroom-buys-car-rcna195905President Donald Trump on Tuesday turned the South Lawn of the White House into a temporary Tesla showroom in a conspicuous favor to his adviser Elon Musk, the billionaire CEO of the car company.Tesla delivered five of its vehicles to the White House and parked them on a driveway for Trump to personally inspect, hours after he said in a post on his app Truth Social that he planned to buy a Tesla to demonstrate his support for Musk and for the slumping car company. With Musk beside him, Trump declared the vehicles “beautiful” and in particular praised the company’s unusually designed Cybertruck. “As soon as I saw it, I said, ‘That is the coolest design,’” Trump said. Though Trump frequently attacked electric vehicles during last year’s campaign, he told reporters that he’d heard good things about Teslas from his friends. He sat in the driver’s seat of a sedan, with Musk seated beside him, and said he planned to buy one. “The one I like is that one, and I want the same color,” he said, pointing to a red Model S. The vehicle is listed on the Tesla website for $73,490, or $88,490 for the all-wheel-drive Model S Plaid. He did not take a test drive but said he might “another time.” Because of ethical restraints it is extremely rare for a senior government official, let alone a sitting president, to endorse a consumer product so explicitly. In 2017, when then-Trump counselor Kellyanne Conway told Americans to buy from Ivanka Trump’s clothing line, she received a warning from a government ethics office and promised never to do it again. By reviewing the Teslas in public before cameras, Trump ensured that his purchase would receive wide attention. Dan Scavino, a White House deputy chief of staff, livestreamed the event on X, the social media app owned by Musk.
The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the application of ethics rules. Trump said he would pay for the vehicle by check. In his first weeks in office, Trump has increasingly moved away from the populist policies and messaging of both his first term and his campaigns, instead embracing the interests and agendas of his billionaire backers. Musk, in particular, has led the administration’s push to cut thousands of largely middle-class federal jobs, and Americans are seeing their retirement savings tank as the stock market plummets amid uncertainty over Trump’s policies. Yet it was Musk that Trump focused on boosting Tuesday.Tesla, meanwhile, has faced an extended global backlash to Musk’s increasing role in politics, most notably for his role in slashing government jobs and recent promotion of far-right parties including Germany’s AfD. The company’s shares have declined every week since Musk went to Washington, and they fell 15% on Monday before rebounding Tuesday. Tesla facilities have faced a wave of both peaceful demonstrations and vandalism, including fires at charging stations. Asked whether his purchase might help Tesla’s stock, Trump said, “I hope it does.” During the event, Trump held a piece of paper with notes about Tesla features, according to photos of the notes published by Getty Images. The notes appeared to be something of a sales pitch, including details that Teslas could be purchased for $299 a month and that all vehicles “have self-driving” — a reference to the company’s suite of driver-assistance features, which cost extra and still require human supervision.Trump condemned the vandalism and heaped praise on the company. “They’re harming a great American company,” he said. Referring to Musk, he said: “He’s built this great company, and he shouldn’t be penalized because he’s a patriot.”
Tuesday’s showcase was a sharp contrast with the Biden administration, which in 2021 did not invite Tesla to an event about electric vehicles — a decision that Musk perceived as a snub that helped to turn him away from the Democratic Party. Musk was still steaming about it more than two years later, posting on social media on Christmas Eve 2023 about getting a “cold shoulder” from the White House. Musk and President Joe Biden were on opposite sides of a fight about unionizing Tesla.Musk, standing next to Trump, said that Tesla planned to double vehicle output in the United States.Musk is at the center of growing tension within the government about his role as a White House adviser and head of Trump's Department of Government Efficiency. The Trump administration is battling lawsuits that say Musk has exceeded his authority under the law and the Constitution, and members of Trump's Cabinet have privately expressed frustrations about Musk's involvement in their agencies. Musk was a major financial supporter of Trump's 2024 presidential campaign, spending more than a quarter of a billion dollars and making personal appearances on Trump's behalf in the swing state Pennsylvania. Musk also turned X into a pro-Trump media platform.In a post on Truth Social shortly after midnight, early Tuesday morning, Trump was unabashed in his reason for buying a Tesla. “I’m going to buy a brand new Tesla tomorrow morning as a show of confidence and support for Elon Musk, a truly great American,” he wrote. It’s not clear when, if ever, Trump would have the chance to drive a car of any kind unless he does so within the White House complex or similarly secure area. Presidents are driven around in a custom limousine with special security features. “I haven’t bought a new car in a long time,” Trump said.
>>1390808Why don't we just throw the Hatch Act out? It's not like it means anything anymore.
Trump has found his true calling: used car salesman. He might actually be good at it.
>>1390810>“I haven’t bought a new car in a long time,” Trump said.Trump clearly hasn't driven anything bigger than a golf cart in decades.
>>1390811Hatch Act doesn't apply to the president. That said, this is obviously a nakedly corrupt use of the office of the presidency.God damn. After all that conspiracy theory bitching about Hunter Biden selling private businesses access to Joe Biden, now we've just got the president hawking shitty overpriced cars for a billionaire in broad daylight.I know Republicans are shameless, but I wish they'd at least pretend to have some dignity.
>>1390815Oh don't forget labeling vandalism of tesla dealerships as domestic terrorism.Imagine spray painting "fuck nazis" on the side of a showroom and getting thrown into the same jail cell as a failed suicide bomber.
>>1390816Terrorism is defined as politically motivated violence. If you're smashing shit up and doing under a political flag, you're a actual terrorist.>inb4 it didn't happen>inb4 it's not that bad>inb4 they deserve itThis is Trump's last term. He's going to roast some of these motherfuckers alive.
>>1390819>Smashing shit upReminder the "violence" he's talking about also includes putting stickers on tesla cars and spray painting on their buildings. Not endorsing the arsons but to label the protests as "domestic terrorism" is fucked.
>>1390823That's exactly what it is. Leftwing terrorists are commiting acts of violence such as arson for political purposes. It's the definition of terrorism
>>1390826He specified the people he's talking about are the same kind of people as the university protests. You know, like that green card holder he's trying to have unlawfully deported for using his first amendment rights.Also, why can't they just be charged with arson? Why do we need to slap a domestic terrorism charge onto every single arson or breaking and entering case just because they hit a certain car dealership? Like for example:>https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/man-charged-with-arson-for-fire-that-badly-damaged-north-austin-car-dealershipThis dude set a car dealership on fire and he didn't get a domestic terrorism charge.
>>1390829becaue the right wing of america is literally fascist and they love sucking billionaire cock
A smiling cartoon dog says "This is fine!" as the room burns down around him.
>>1390826>political purposesIs it a political purpose if its being done against a person who is explicitly not a government employee? Elon wasn't even born in America. You can't be political against an immigrant.
>>1390844Elon paid hundreds of millions of dollars to be part of the government.
>>1390819>>1390826Posts like these are going to age like milk.
>>1390829> the same kind of people as the university protestsThey were chasing students into libraries and assaulting students.They were also illegally occupying private property>Also, why can't they just be charged with arson?Because politically motivated arson is worse. If one guy burns down a home, that's a problem. If a political movement does it, then that's a national security risk. BLM was allowed to riot because they states allowed it. Trump isn't going to care, he'll just shoot them.
>>1390866how does billionaire semen taste?
>>1390866You mean the Boogaloo Riots?
>>1390867How is condemning terrorism defending billionaires, you fucking retard?
>>1390869too embarrassed to kiss and tell, faggot?
>>1390870I accept your concession.This one over here, officer.
imagine being a shill for billionaires and you're going to die broke and alone anyways
>>1390872As a lifelong Republican voter, I don't have to imagine it.
>>1390866First amendment right. Also includes that you can't blame an entire protest for the actions of a handful of retards.
>>1390874You don't have a right to burn property, faggot.
>>1390876Yeah so charge them with arson and leave the protestors not setting fires out of it.
>>1390876unless it's the capitol and you're upset that you lost, right faggot
>>1390831>>1390867>>1390872>>1390878Complete liberal death. Feed me your energy
>>1390887i'll smack the shit out of you nerd
>>1390887>but brawndo has what plants crave
>>1390878>unless it's the capitolNTA, what arsons were committed at the Capitol? I must of missed that.
>>1390904besides the burning of effigies and the attempted immolation of democracy itself, idk anon. even worse was probably the shit smeared all over by republican heathens though
>>1390906>besides the burning of effigies and the attempted immolation of democracy itselfSo no arsons on the Capitol. That's what I thought. Shut the fuck up you disappointment.
>>1390907so murder and other caveman behavior is ok as long as you don't try to burn things down? interesting anon, noted
I wonder what the breaking point will be. Even some diehard conservatives I know are starting to get shaken by this insanity.
>>1390909>They did X!>Where?>w-well they actually didn't.>Okay you're a piece of shit.>s-s-So you're okay with Y and Z as long as they don't do X?!?lmao shut the fuck up faggot
>>1390917january 6 was definitely worse than simple arson anon. keep acting like a faggot though, it's amusing
>>1390920>january 6 was definitely worse than simple arson anon.Yeah the arsons that didn't happen at Jan 6th, right? lmao
>>1390923violently dismantling the government is a little bit worse than a fire
>>1390925A fire that didn't happen, right?
>>1390926no, january 6th happened, it just failed. it was fiery but mostly a failure
>>1390927>it was fieryWhere was the fire?
>>1390928i already told you stupid, people burned effigies like medieval peasants
>>13909291) source?2) not arson then?
>>1390931google is a keystroke away dumbass you can celebrate your ignorance if you'd like
>>1390933And nothing comes up for fire, arsons, effigies, etc.So in other words you made up both the arson part and the burning effigies part. lmao so pathetic.
>>1390934>we shit on the floor of our own capitol, but we didn't start it on fire! pathetic!
>>1390935>oh shit I got called out for lying! DEFLECT! DEFLECT! DEFLECT!
>>1390936all you have to do is google january 6 to see the fire anon
>>1390934>So in other words you made up both the arson part and the burning effigies part. lmao so pathetic.This is pretty much the summary of the entire demshit strategy for online debate tho
>>1390942you're just going to respond to yourself instead of me now? i think that counts as losing the argument
Hey America, what did your president do today?Oh, just made a car commercial for a Nazi.
>>1390943You live in fantasy land of you think you and him are the only people online
>>1390945The president of the US is holding a fucking commercial script with a reminder of the prices of each product. While still in office and in the middle of a trade war.What a fucking world we live in.
>>1390948you make it too obvious faggot. sorry that you're dumb i guess
>>1390939>durr just google it!>okay... [google intensifies]... zero resultsShow me a source of these fires at Jan 6th.
>>1390955man you really got him on the arson thing, that should validate J6 for you.
>>1390955https://www.brookings.edu/articles/around-the-halls-one-year-since-the-january-6-insurrection/wow, that was easy
>>1390955didn't some guy plant explosives all over the city?
>>1390962According to the director of the FBI it was an inside job and not a protestor https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/01/politics/kfile-dan-bongino-january-6th-pipe-bomb-fbi/index.html
>>1390960>man you really got him on the arson thingYeah I know I did.> that should validate J6 for you.Where did I say I'm validating J6? Another shit deflection.>>1390961>arson>zero results>fire>zero results>effigies>zero resultsI'm sorry, what was your point?>>1390962>didn't some guy plant explosives all over the city?Did he commit arsons too? No?
>>1390965>trump era FBI says trump dindu nuffin
>>1390966>picture of the flaming capitol>what fire??????you are a faggot
>>1390969>picture at an angle of bright light and smoke>no fires>no flames>no mention of eitherno u faggot
>>1390973i love how you're dying on this hill faggot
>>1390974The hill being that you lied about arsons at Jan 6th, yes. But please keep deflecting it to "oh that means everything else that happened at Jan 6th was okay", even though I never said it. You're so desperate to dig yourself out of this hole you made for yourself.
>>1390975>keep deflecting it to "oh that means everything else that happened at Jan 6th was okay"would you like to tell us which parts of january 6 you don't approve of
>>1390976All of it, except for the non-existent fires. If you could find any evidence of arson though I'll change my mind. So far google isn't turning anything up... maybe I should try bing, or yandex, or duckduckgo.
>>1390977you are a miserable liar, you know that. you're here defending it right now
>>1390965thought cnn was fake news. >>1390973>he thinks fireworks arent flammableIf I shot fireworks at the front of a house or a business, I would be charged with attempted arson. Attempted arson is boiled down to conspiracy to commit which in that case would just be labeled arson, before you pivot on the word attempted.
>>1390978>you're here defending it right nowWhere?>>1390979>If I shot fireworks at the front of a house or a business, I would be charged with attempted arson.So who was charged with arson then? We got 75 year old women being charged for trespassing, to go along with all the people being charged with insurrection, but was anybody charged with arson?
i have to go to bed soon but i hope this faggot is still defending january 6 when i get up, what a clown
>>1390980>So who was charged with arson then?Are you suggesting it didn't happen because someone didn't get caught?
>>1390981>but i hope this faggot is still defending january 6Calling out your lies you mean. Enjoy your nap faggot. Hopefully you never wake up. >>1390982I'm suggesting you have no evidence of arson of any kind and every time I ask for some proof you deflect away. You already lost your boyfriend to sleep, and I'm getting bored with this too, so show me some evidence of arson at Jan 6th or fuck off.
>>1390986no you're definitely defending fascists faggots who tried to reduce the constitution to cinders with their actions. you're already multiple grades worse than any arsonist faggot
>>1390991>no you're definitely defending fascists faggotsWhere? This is like asking for proof of the arsons all over again. You can't show either.
>>1390992you're right here in front of us pretending you don't exit. do you lack object permanence, faggot?
>>1390993Just take the L bro. You pulled something out of your ass, everybody knows it, you can't bitch your way out of the box you've created for yourself.Just be thankful you're on 4chan. None of your retardation will be remembered after the thread dies.
>>1390986You were linked to fireworks going off at the Capitol building, then it was explained to you how that was a felony, and you lost the argument at asking for arrests. I already accepted your concession.
>>1390995i really riled you up didn't i
>>1390997I just got here.Although, in your defense, you're probably misremembering that time leftists burned down shit on the White House lawn. And the historic church right across the street.
>>1390993>you're right here in front of us pretending you don't exit.What?>>1390996>You were linked to fireworks going off at the Capitol buildingIs that arson?>then it was explained to you how that was a felony,That nobody was charged for.> and you lost the argumentLMAO>at asking for arrests.Because there are none. Nobody was charged for arson. Because there was no arson.> I already accepted your concession.lol whatever helps you and your faggot boyfriend sleep at night together.
>>1390998god you suck at lying. how embarrassing. is that why you shill on an empty board?
>>1391000Anon you accuse me of being other people all the time, but I'm not actually the other guy who's been roasting you.
>>1390999>whatenglish motherfucker, do you speak it?
>>1390998>>1391003lmao they think I'm you. It's okay anon, they're upset they can't find any fires and are lashing out at everyone.
>>1391006you can stop samefagging now. we all know you're the resident shill
>>1391004>you're right here in front of us pretending you don't exit.Explain what the fuck this means in English then. I'm right here in front of you pretending that I'm not exit(ing)? I'm not pretending to leave anon. I don't need to, you lost. Now go find my fucking fires at Jan 6th fag.
>>1390999>Is that arson?it was already explained you stupid nigger. >>1390979
>>1391009ahh, you got me shill. it's your morning shift after all, and i've been drinking so i must have missed the s key. enjoy your shift and my blessing
>>1391011So not arson then. Got it.See if that other anon earlier said "You don't have a right to shoot fireworks, faggot." instead of "You don't have a right to burn property, faggot.", you might've had a point. But you just couldn't help yourselves and implied there were arsons at Jan 6th.So I'm still waiting on proof. Where's the arsons? Where's the fires? Where's the effigies? Where's anything you two cocksuckers claimed that we still haven't seen yet - even though I've asked like 20 times now?
>>1391013>fire isn't firelol
>>1391012>and i've been drinkinglmao no wonder you think there were fires at Jan 6th. Put the bottle down faggot.
>>1391014>fires were totally there, I just can't prove itlol
>>1391015you're one to talk russia shill
>>1391018i guess if your eyes have selective sight it can't be proven
>>1391019>anyone who proves me wrong is Russian
>>1391022you proved me wrong, russia shill?
>>1391006He does this shit all the time.>you're not american>you're a shill>you're a yaddayaddayaddaFor at least eight months.
>>1391026like i said, i'm going to bed soon. i hope you get enough responses to fund your endeavors shill, i'm leaving soon. and i doubt it counts if you reply to yourself does it
>>1391013either retarded or a professional troll.
>>1391025Still waiting on you to produce this arson that never happened, which you can't, so yeah I think I did.
>>1391028>like i said, i'm going to bed soonLMAO it's that same faggot who said he was leaving almost an hour ago.But he can't because he's still looking for these arsons that don't exist! lol
>>1391036are you mad i'm comfy in bed while i shit on you?
>>1391037Ew you shit in your bed? What a fucking animal.
>>1391040are you daydreaming about us in bed together? you're at your day shift remember shill
>>1391041Oh I would love to but I'm still trying to find these fires and arsons on google... No luck though. Y'know you could help me with this, right?
>>1391046>fire isn't firelol
>>1391048>fires were totally there, I just can't prove itlol
>>1391054oh not just fire, shill. bombs, guns, pepper spray, pedophiles in your ranks, you look pretty fucking bad because of that failed insurrection. but keep dying on this hill for our entertainment
>>1390808What a conveniently-timed publicity stunt, right when Tesla's in the shitter and getting in trouble for fraud. What an absolute fucking joke of a president, jesus fucking christ.
>>1391058>oh not just fireWhere was a fire?
>>1391062He literally had a fucking script with a reminder for him to shill exactly how much each model costs.Fucking disgraceful. If republicans weren't a cult they'd impeach him for this. Maybe not remove him from office but at least give an official "don't fucking do that" to him.
>>1391063where the fire was. i'm not reposting the link
>>1391064so we're all in agreement. time for trump to be impeached.
>>1391067The link that doesn't say anything about fire.
>>1391081Anon thinks a firework going off in front of a marble stairway is a fire. Because he's retarded.
>>1391081any thread i dont like on here ill just keep asking about a fire until the entire board is dead
>>1391103>now the person committing a felony has to understand building materials by law
>>1391108>there was a fire!>but it's all stone, how did it catch on fire?>hurf de furgf sdfsfsdfsdfs
>>1391080God, I wish.
>>1391109>be you>putting yourself in a smaller and smaller box
>>1390912Sometimes, I think Trump is the logical extreme of all the right-wing nonsense that has been building for decades. And will this be enough for rightoids to figure out they are retarded and bring a revolution of sorts. Or will they just continue to ignore reality to protect their egos like always?
>>1391110its gonna happen.
>>1391114>Sometimes, I think Trump is the logical extreme of all the right-wing nonsense that has been building for decades.Oh, that's absolutely what he is. Think that all the time, not just sometimes. For decades the right has sold dragon teeth, and now an actual dragon has shown up. >And will this be enough for rightoids to figure out they are retarded and bring a revolution of sorts.A lot of it is just a cult, the hard-core MAGAs will absolutely support him 100% no matter what, but the actual conservatives? I mean...I dunno, maybe? They would have to admit they were wrong, and Americans really, really don't like doing that, plus the propaganda machine is really strong.
>>13911162 more weeks, bro. You've got a lot more faith in congress than me. I say if they had a spine then they'd have shown it by now. I say that we're either going to save ourselves or he wins, no middle ground.
>>1391118there are protests going around. its just not getting enough coverage. it is inevitable.
christ alive hes got some cars parcked outside his lawn and you retarded leftists are acting like its the end of the world and death of democracy. lmao literally triggered. pathetic. leftists are fucking unhinged
>>1391103Funny enough your link doesn't mention fireworks either. lmao>>1391106Well maybe you shouldn't have lied about it then. Just admit you were wrong, take your L, and we can move on to another subject.
>>1391120Nothing's inevitable. More protests. More, more. If they media's able to just ignore them then they're not big enough.
>>1390808it wont sell with all marketing and supsidies in a word."it's worst and more expensive but i will do sci fi thing in future" BS beforis he trying to privot to more common costumer now."i sell cheap afordable cars made here" kinda true if you got 100% tarifs on competition.
>>1391125you have such a defeatist attitude and that's exactly what they want from you.the protests are working. just look at tesla.
>>1391130The fuck are you talking about? I'm saying to protest more, to not to give up, that's the exact opposite of defeatist.
>>1390819>Terrorism is defined as politically motivated violenceNo, terrorism is>the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.Wrecking a Nazi's shit because he sieg heiled in front of the entire world like a dumbass and now everyone hates his guts isn't terrorism.Go back to bitching about Dresden.
>>1391139NTA>the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.So what the left has done for the last ten years? BLM, Antifa, Palestine, Ferguson riots, etc. >Wrecking a Nazi's shit because he sieg heiled in front of the entire world like a dumbass and now everyone hates his guts isn't terrorism.What is this weird strawman? Are the Jewish students being attacked on campus nazis?
>>1391139Threatening government employees isn't going to end up like you think it is.
>>1391141>Are the Jewish students being attacked on campus nazis?They don't actually think musk, trump etc are nazis anon. They just call them that because they think it gives them a justification to do their color revolution shit. They have no problem attacking jewish students because they are jewish.>tfw actual, literal nazis are less violent and bigger supporters of free speech than leftists
>>1391146>So what the left has done for the last ten years? BLM, Antifa, Palestine, Ferguson riots, etc.Palestine is not leftist by any metric. BLM and Ferguson broadly were not violent, although certainly terroristic acts occurred as part of both. Generally arson. Antifa as a political identity is mostly known for counterprotesting neonazis and then beating the shit out of them when the Nazis attack, which is a lawful use of violence and intimidation. Having said that, I'm sure some have engaged in terrorism as part of other riots. That said, most Antifa activities are actually boring bog standard political activism.> Are the Jewish students being attacked on campus nazis?No, but that doesn't stop people calling them that. Fuck the cops for standing by while outside instigators assaulted pro-Palestine protesters and threw fireworks at them, btw. Weird of you to single out the Jewish pro-Palestine protesters though.>>1391146Trashing a Tesla isn't threatening a government employee. It's vandalism.>>1391147>They don't actually think musk, trump etc are nazis anonIf your standard for what does and does not constitute a Nazis allows for people sieg heiling at political rallies to be excluded, then I question whether you'd even call Hitler a Nazi.There are enough videogames and movies about shooting Nazis that you should be able to recognize one even if you didn't pay attention in school.
>>1391147>tfw actual, literal nazis are less violent and bigger supporters of free speech than leftistsThe actual literal nazis that just black bagged a guy for political protests?>They have no problem attacking jewish students because they are jewish. Can you point to a single example of this happening and getting any sort of mainstream defense from the left? I'm trying to figure out whether or not you're delusional or just one of those disingenuous fuckers that conflates jewish and zionist.
>>1391154>The actual literal nazis that just black bagged a guy for political protests?Remember when you were black bagging Jan 6th protestors? And then you installed a barbed wire fence around the Capitol building?
>>1391158>Remember when you were black bagging Jan 6th protestors? There were literally zero arrests that day. And not because they all got gunned down once they got inside like they should have been. Fuckers were treated with kid gloves from day one. Fuck off and die.Those fuckers breached one of our 3 seats of government. That our felon-in-chief pardoned them is a travesty. In a just society, they'd have thrown every book they could find at them. At least a few died that day and a couple more have been gunned down attacking police since.>And then you installed a barbed wire fence around the Capitol building?Are you equating installing a perimeter fence at a seat of government with black bagging a guy that hasn't even committed a crime? Motherfucker, your side's rolling out barbed wire at the fucking border.
>>1391168>There were literally zero arrests that day.Nice attempt at shifting the goal post. How many years after the fact were Jan 6th protestors being arrested?>And not because they all got gunned down once they got inside like they should have been.Turnabout is fair play- it's only fair the leftist protestors get the Ashley Babbit treatment, right?>Fuck off and die.Make us. Oh right, y'all can't even boycott Chick Fil A lmao>Motherfucker, your side's rolling out barbed wire at the fucking border.Are you equating enforcing a fucking national border with walling off a normally freely and publicly accessibly monument because you had to protect your Dimensia-dictator in chief and his stolen election? Completely delusional leftard libshit nonsense. No wonder you got BTFO that hard in November lmao.
>>1391168NTA... are you kidding me?>Fuckers were treated with kid gloves from day one.Let me make an apt comparison here: May 30th 2020.>lefties try to storm the white house to remove Trump>only held back because national guard was there>doesn't stop them from throwing molotov cocktails (as usual) at police, NG and Secret Service>a guard station is burned down and a nearby church is set on fire>situation is so bad that Trump had to be relocated to a bunker... a fact he was later mocked for by the left, including Biden, media and comedians>in spite of all this, only one person was charged with a crime... for vandalismAnd you're seriously telling everyone here that the Jan 6th crowd was treated with kids gloves when they actually got shot and killed? When the FBI dropped the hammer on everyone that was there and put everyone on the No Fly list, investigated people who weren't even there, had search warrants for people throughout the country, and threw almost 2,000 people in jail, mainly for trespassing or vandalism, and then slapped insurrection charges on as many people as they could?Y'know it really would've been nice if they could've put this much energy into prosecuting the people who were at CHAZ, especially after two black teenagers were executed during this temporary sedition.
>>1391170>ice attempt at shifting the goal post. How many years after the fact were Jan 6th protestors being arrested?Too many. Should have been rounded up ASAP.>Turnabout is fair play- it's only fair the leftist protestors get the Ashley Babbit treatment, right?Feel free to shoot any leftist protesters that breach Congress. I'd expect nothing less. And let me know when that shit happens. I'll fucking wait.It must blow your fucking mind that people that actually stand by their fucking convictions exist.>Make usDoesn't seem like I'll have to. You fuckers keep getting yourselves shot by cops.>Are you equating enforcing a fucking national border with walling off a normally freely and publicly accessible monument Monument? It's a seat of government. It is not always open to the public and it is never completely open to the public. Just like the WH and SCOTUS. The fucking WH has literally 3 fucking sets of perimeter fences and people regularly get shot outside that shit for fucking around. Somebody was shot there just this past week.And dipshit, most national borders don't have barbed wire. Especially national borders between friendly nations. And I don't wanna hear jack shit about an invasion when you're bitching about security to prevent another insurrection. Fucking Mexicans aren't gonna throw a fucking coup.>>1391171I'm glad you live in whatever reality you think you live in, but I don't have to pretend you're sane enough to have a conversation. Enjoy whatever suffering whatever persecution you imagine for yourself.
>>1391172>I'm glad you live in whatever reality you think you live in, but I don't have to pretend you're sane enough to have a conversation.Translation: I have no argument and here's my concession. You can argue whatever with the other anon all you want, I really don't give a fuck, but to sit here and say that everyone at Jan 6th was treated with kids gloves is the biggest pile of shit ever and I'm going to call you out on it. Let me know whenever you feel like the May 30th crowd should've got the same "kids gloves" treatment.
>>1391154>The actual literal nazis that just black bagged a guy for political protests?Being an authoritarian doesn't make someone a nazi anon. The real nazis, the ones you can talk to right now, are currently sitting in /pol/ and laughing at all the retards who thought voting for Trump would be a good idea.>Can you point to a single example of this happening and getting any sort of mainstream defense from the left?It was happening during the anti-israel protests on college campuses last year. They were assaulting jewish students on campus and forcing them to barricade themselves inside the college.
>>1391171Many people who attended the protests during Jan 6 were innocent bystanders and do not deserve to be associated with the bad players that day, but don't pretend that there were not many bad players that day.those Jan 6th people are apart from the ones who beat cops with Trump flags on camera for the world to see right? Or the ones who stole cops riot shields and used them to break windows and smash open doors? also on camera. Or the ones who wiped their shit on the capital building walls? Or how about the guy who fired his gun in the crowd? You must admit that most Jan 6th people did not do these crimes, but some did. the guy who stole the speakers podium or the people who trashed offices and stole stuff.the woman who ignored police commands to stand down and tried to smash her way through a barricaded door with an armed cop pointing a gun at her telling her to stop and then she gets shot. She is not the innocent people you are talking about right?Perhaps you mean the people who constructed a gallows on the capital building lawn and then roamed the building chanting "Hang Mike Pence" Those the innocent folks you talking about?All done on the command and lies of a thin skin man who could not admit he lost. Trump got that woman killed with his lies.Maybe don't commit crimes on camera for the world to see and then expect us to believe that you are innocent.>>1391176Conservatives examples are always trying to demonize an entire group for the actions of individuals in that group. Because conservatives need an enemy to hate. They can not exist without some group to fight against. a few assholes got out of line with some students who they assumed were jewish. That is wrong. but the large majority of these college protests were peaceful and without indecent. Also, the desire to tie Anti Israel expansionism sentiment with pro hamas shit is ridiculous. It used to be the Conservatives who were anti Zionist expansion. Till Trump and Bibi teamed up.
>>1391179>but don't pretend that there were not many bad players that day.Which I'm not, asshole. I'm saying your bullshit statement that the fucking people at Jan 6th got treated with KIDS GLOVES is ridiculous. With the shit the left pulled and got away with, how fucking dare you open your fucking mouth and say the Jan 6th crowd got treated better. Especially after the fucking CHAZ bullshit (notice how every democrat that directly supported it didn't get brought up on insurrection charges?) where only 30 something people got arrested out of thousands that were there larping as faggot commie security forces. Or the motherfuckers who were throwing firebombs at secret service, injuring 60+ of them, and only ONE guy gets a charge for vandalism? Get the fuck outta here.
>>1391179>That is wrong. but the large majority of these college protests were peaceful and without indecent.Okay. But both violent and nonviolent protestors were still marching under the same flag.When people talk about WWII and nazi germany, they don't remember how the germans conscripted the people they conquered and used as meat shields. Everybody in a nazi uniform is still historically considered a nazi. The only exception to that rule is the people who actively fought against them from inside. Lefties have never disavowed the violent BLM protests, pro-hamas protests, antifa burning down police precincts etc. They just make excuses and/or argue that it was deserved, which makes them pieces of shit.
>>1391184>But both violent and nonviolent protestors were still marching under the same flag.Yes. And? You don't discard a flag just because a few people flying it were violent criminals. Hell, YOU personally don't discard a flag even when EVERYONE flying it was a violent criminal, see the Confederate Flag.>Everybody in a nazi uniform is still historically considered a nazi.The Nazis were evil at an organizational level. More to the point, the Nazis were a fucking organization. None of the protest movements you're bitching about are actually centrally organized and beyond that their goals aren't gassing the Jews and invading Poland.>antifa burning down police precinctsThat was literally a false flag perpetrated by boogaloo boy that was later caught in Texas. Speaking of. Right wingers have never disavowed the boogaloo movement. Own your own shit before coming after others.You fuckers never disavow jack shit. Doesn't matter if it's Confederate traitors or Jan 6th insurrectionists. I've got no problem saying the arsonists that took part in leftist protests and the thieves that exploited them to rob stores passed by the protests deserve jail. That they don't represent my values and are shitty human beings that deserve to have the book thrown at them. You're INCAPABLE of doing that. At every opportunity, you'll champion scum and refuse to distance yourself from them.Shameless motherfuckers like you need to stop trying to shame others. Nobody is having your bullshit. Come back when your president isn't a neonazi and his vice president isn't a felon.
>>1391176>Being an authoritarian doesn't make someone a nazi anon.Sieg heiling does.
>>1391194>None of the protest movements you're bitching about are actually centrally organizedUgh! Not That Anon. Here we go again! >durrr antifa isn't an organization it's an idea durrrrOne sec while I find the copypasta, because I'm too lazy to even bother anymore:If you think antifa is good and say so on social media you're sympathetic.If you join a protest with antifa or donate to the local antifa club you're aligned.If you attend planning meetings or help transport people or provide supplies you're a member>But antifa doesn't existLots of organizations don't exist in the same way antifa or BLM don't exist._______________Literally just dictionary definition:"An organized body of people with a particular purpose, a structure or arrangement of related or connected items."What is supposed purpose of antifa? To "stop fascism."What is the purpose of antifa in practice? To go and shut down the groups and events, protest against police by rioting and to intimidate among other things and to push "left wing" social and economic policies.Does it work toward this, yes. I roll my eyes anytime someone says Antifa isn't an organization. It's all just typical left wing word games. Yes it's not openly and completely centralized, that is irrelevant to the fact they are an organization, an entity, they aren't aimless blobs that just accidentally trip on a banana peel at the same time and crash into another, and just so happen to decide "Hey let's set this dumpster on fire together at this particular street right now." There is degree of structure to make these things happen.
>>1391200Literally anyone can and does call themselves antifa. It's as much an organization as Christianity. You're a fucking idiot.
>>1391194>Speaking of. Right wingers have never disavowed the boogaloo movement.I'm a right-winger and I disavow the boogaloo movement. Now what?>You fuckers never disavow jack shit. Doesn't matter if it's Confederate traitors or Jan 6th insurrectionists.Everyone at Jan 6th was a fucking retard. Even though they didn't do a tenth of damage as the average fiery but peaceful protest on the left, they still tarnished our reputation of not acting like fucking leftists. We had an impeccable record of not behaving like animals and rioting, until everyone at Jan 6th went there and fucked it up. Now do I think that everyone there was a threat to democracy? No, I think they were a bunch of retards who got pissed off and wanted to break shit. Nonetheless, whatever we do on the right is magnified 10x while everything the left does is marginalized, which is why Jan 6th gets brought up every fucking time even though the left has been rioting since Trump won the first presidency in 2016. So thanks to every dickhead at Jan 6th I can no longer say we're better than them. How's that?
>>1391200I liked it better when The New Black Panthers were your current boogeyman.
>>1391204And if a bunch of Christians were bussed in to a town from across the country and started breaking shit, setting fires and shooting people you would call that an organization. Don't fucking bullshit me.
>>1391208Andy Ngo is that you?
>>1391210Yes I'm Andy Ngo. Ya caught me.
>>1391212It's hard to find someone else who is that afraid of Antifa.
>>1391214Yeah because they've never hurt anyone, right? How many people died in the riots of 2020 again?
>>1391208>And if a bunch of Christians were bussed in to a town from across the country and started breaking shit, setting fires and shooting people you would call that an organization.Pretty sure the vast majority of protesters were Christian, and no, I wouldn't.>shooting peopleBitch, fuck off. All the deaths during the protests were either protesters themselves getting killed or random crimes across town ("during" the protests doing a lot of heavy lifting). There was literally just one shooting where a protester was confirmed behind it and he claimed self defense and was gunned down by the cops instead of being taken in alive and being given his day in court.God, people like you are insufferable. When you aren't blaming protesters for shit other people did like the precinct fire, you're just inventing murders.
>>1391217>How many people died in the riots of 2020 again?See>>1391224Why don't you tell me? How many people did protesters kill? Name em.
>>1391224>Pretty sure the vast majority of protesters were ChristianOh yes, criminals like Rosenbaum and Grosskreutz were totally Christians. Y'know it's funny how so many of those faggots were members of socialist clubs (in before lol not an organization either) that sucked Soviet dick hard, even though religion wasn't really a thing back then.>Bitch, fuck off.No fuck you nigger. >All the deaths during the protests were either protesters themselves getting killed or random crimes across townYeah lets not forget Michael Reinoehl stalking and murdering a Trump supporter. Or the two black teens that got executed at CHAZ. Or Matthew Dolloff executing a man after he slapped him in his faggot face. Or Jesse Taggert shooting an old man because he was trying to get past their road block. >There was literally just one shooting where a protester was confirmed behind it and he claimed self defense and was gunned down by the cops instead of being taken in alive and being given his day in court.Yeah here we go again with this bullshit where you conveniently leave out the part where he was a fugitive who was reaching for his pistol when the fucking police caught up with him. Shut the fuck up you worthless faggot. I swear to god you deserve to be punched in your fucking mouth for this bullshit. >God, people like you are insufferable.Said the fucking kettle. DURRRRRHURRRHURRRDURRR REINOEHL DINDU NUFFIN HE GUD MUH DAY IN COURT MUH GUVMENT ASSASSINS! Shut the fuck up you lying faggot!
Showing strength and solidarity and signalling upholding order and normalcy is the exact right move to do in response to extremist attacks on Tesla dealerships. Ordinary people and moderates will get the message and have a positive response to this.
>>1390904Maybe he's mixing up Jan 6 and May 31, 2020 when Lefties came to the white house with the objective of ousting Trump. There was arson and 14 secret service members were injured. Trump had to be transported to a bunker for which Lefties called him "bunker bitch".
>>1391246Who were these "lefties"?
>>1391234He filmed a fucking ad for Tesla. He's literally using his office to benefit a private business. This should (and would be if Republicans were sucking his dick at all times) be an impeachable offense.
>>1391224God damn it. It's been an hour and I've got shit to do. I'm still waiting for this fuckwit to simp harder for his dead antifa betamale Reinoehl so I can tear that apart some more.Here's the tl;dr of what really happened with Reinoehl, that he's going to "nuh-uh" about later on:>fuckwit Reinoehl hides in a parking garage and stalks a Trump supporter before going up to attack him>Trump supporter has pepper spray and is shot by Reinoehl while deploying it>faggot Reinoehl flees the scene because he just murdered someone, goes into hiding>still finds time to do an interview with vice where he claims self-defense, despite him stalking the person he killed>police catch up to him, cop cars surround him, flashing red lights and verbal warnings, as he's getting into his car>instead of putting his hands up, Reinoehl decides to reach into his pockets where a .380 pistol is>naturally cops shoot him, he dies like he deserves>some confusion amongst cops whether he fired first or not, combined with witnesses from across the street claiming they didn't hear any verbal warnings, leads faggots like this to believe that the cops just rolled up on Reinoehl and shot him without giving him a chance to comply>ironically, if that were the case then the cops just did to Reinoehl what Reinoehl did to that Trump supporter he killed>fags like this still cry about it to this day, thinking they're the good guys
>>1391260Sorry anon but literally every witness testified that they shot first before saying anything. And the bodycam footage CONVIENTLY doesn't exist.Oh, and then Trump literally bragged about directing them to kill instead of arrest.
>>1391262>Sorry anon but literally every witness testified that they shot first before saying anything.Yeah the same retarded witnesses that claimed Michael Brown was on his knees with his hands up saying "Don't shoot!", right? Fuck off you dirty leftist. You can't beat forensic evidence and you can't beat that .380 pistol inside his hip pocket his hand was on right before he went to hell. >And the bodycam footage CONVIENTLY doesn't exist.Rather inconvenient because I would love to play it over and over again to show you when Reinoehl was reaching for his gun and why you're such a faggot.>Oh, and then Trump literally bragged about directing them to kill instead of arrest.Good for him, though it wasn't really necessary. Turns out most police will shoot you when you reach for a pistol anyways.
>>1391265How did you get this misinformed?
>>1391260>some confusion amongst cops whether he fired first or notDidn't even draw his fucking weapon.Also I wasn't simping. Simply pointing out he was never found guilty of anything. NOBODY connected to the 2020 protests was ever found guilty of murder during those protests.The allegation that protesters were shooting people left and right is complete fucking nonsense.Meanwhile you've got fuckers like Daniel Perry that gunned down a protester in cold blood and got a pardon. Seriously, you fuckers are the ones that engage in terrorism and sedition and then pardon the criminals. Clean up your own damn house and be thankful you're just delusional and don't live in a world where your political enemies actually do act like your camp.
>>1391269>Didn't even draw his fucking weapon.You don't have to draw the weapon you fucking retard. Police can still shoot you if you reach for it. Maybe if you animals knew the fucking law...>Also I wasn't simping.lol yeah you were faggot. Keep crying about your dead boyfriend.>Simply pointing out he was never found guilty of anything.He would have if the dumbass didn't reach for his gun when the police finally found his fugitive ass. >NOBODY connected to the 2020 protests was ever found guilty of murder during those protests.Marcel Long. >The allegation that protesters were shooting people left and right is complete fucking nonsense.No actually it's pretty fucking accurate. In fact you dickheads were so fucking retarded with this shit that you were even shooting each other. See the Not Fucking Around Coalition if you'd like to know more.>Meanwhile you've got fuckers like Daniel Perry that gunned down a protester in cold blood and got a pardon.For shooting a guy pointing an AK-47 at him. In before nuh uh!!!>Seriously, you fuckers are the ones that engage in terrorism and seditionNo you see the difference is when you commit sedition, CHAZ, nobody calls it sedition. >don't live in a world where your political enemies actually do act like your camp.Boy I wish I could get away with half the fucking bullshit you subhumans pulled in 2020.
>>1390808>During the event, Trump held a piece of paper with notes about Tesla features, according to photos of the notes published by Getty Images. The notes appeared to be something of a sales pitchremember last year when orangeman said he could make Musk beg on his knees? kek
>>1391265>You can't beat forensic evidence and you can't beat that .380 pistol inside his hip pocket his hand was on right before he went to hell.You realize if it was still in his pocket that means he never drew it right? And they could've easily put his hand on it after shooting him, like they've done multiple times in the past to retroactively claim a police shooting was justified?
>>1391281>You realize if it was still in his pocket that means he never drew it right?lol imagine the patient it takes to talk to leftists everyday.... Oh boy. Do you retards even know why reaching for a pistol when you're surrounded by police is a bad idea?>And they could've easily put his hand on it after shooting himWithout forensics being disturbed and their bodycams seeing it, which despite what that other faggot claimed they actually wore. They just haven't released the footage yet. Plus there's also the issue of the spend .380 shell casing at the scene, which gives credit to the theory that Reinoehl shot at police first.
>>1391256Kinda gave the game away when BLM protestors marched on the white house with molotovs to remove Trump when the actual protest was supposedly about a cop killing a black man, didn't it?
nice job right wing shills, deflect from the fact that your president is a global humiliation by cheering on police murders. very classy of you
>>1391286>Without forensics being disturbed and their bodycams seeing itThey had no bodycams and we have never seen a forensics report on Reinoehl's body. In fact, the police have been actively caught in several lies and shady circumstances about what happened>Initially they claimed he fired his gun. A later investigation found his gun had a full clip. For some strange reason, this was dropped from the final report. >They then tried to claim he had a spent shell in his car, which then was the subject of a evidence tampering investigation where it "mysteriously" went missing>Meaning yes, they did simultaneously try to claim he had his hand on a gun still in his pants pocket and that he fired a shot because there was a shell in his car>They also claimed there were mysterious radio problems that distorted any radio recordings, despite the fact they were 30 miles away from where their radios were set to tune into and should've known to change the frequency
>Because of ethical restraints it is extremely rare for a senior government official, let alone a sitting president, to endorse a consumer product so explicitly. Notice how many qualifiers. Yeah, this is a nontroversy.
>>1391291Well maybe if you weren't worse than the police you were protesting....
>>1391296i don't beat my wife and i don't murder people, how am i worse? because i annoy you?
>>1391286>Do you retards even know why reaching for a pistol when you're surrounded by police is a bad idea?I've seen enough police shootings to know that doing anything while surrounded by police is a bad idea. Put your hands up. Reach for the ID they demand. Crawl forward. Drop your weapon. Have a phone to your ear. Hold perfectly still. Be handcuffed in the back of their car during fall. Anything.
>>1391293>They had no bodycamsYes they did.>and we have never seen a forensics report on Reinoehl's body.The autopsy I didn't find, but the incident report I posted on here back in January (although it's redacted in several parts).> In fact, the police have been actively caught in several lies and shady circumstances about what happenedOh boo fucking hoo. Guess what? I don't give a fuck when you're on here lying about your twink murdering lover Reinoehl. So don't cry to me about the police lying when you can't even be honest here.
>>1391300>i love when the police lie to meyeah, you're a faggot, we know. you're here actiing like one literally every day
>>1391297>and i don't murder peopleOver two dozen deaths during the "summer of love". It's hilarious how you were protesting police brutality in 2020 and then acted far more brutal than the police. Good job there throwing molotovs into minority-owned stores and executing black teenagers to own the racist police.>>1391298>I've seen enough police shootings to know that doing anything while surrounded by police is a bad idea.Obviously Reinoehl didn't get the memo. Ironically, this could've been avoided if he turned himself in to the police and didn't go into hiding (while still giving interviews to Vice).
>>1391301QQ moar about your dead antifa soldier.
>>1391304i'm not even the person you were arguing with, i'm the guy who calls you a stupid faggot and a disappointment to your parents
>>1391305So just another faggot that contributes nothing but lies. Cool, /news/ needs all the lefties it can get.
>>1391311how is your faggotry a lie? you flaunt it nonstop, we all see it anon
>>1391300>Yes they did.No, they didn't.>https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-id-state-wire-or-state-wire-shootings-wa-state-wire-f0418fd4a37be8d9b6953c8359109587>Brady said he did not believe the officers involved in the shooting had body cameras or dashboard cameras on their vehicles.BTW before you say anything about the witness saying he shot first, she was later found to have not even been on the scene when the shooting happened.
>>1391311There are no lefties on this board at all. You still haven't comprehended the fact that you don't have to be a leftist to criticize Trump's fuckups.
>>1391302>Ironically, this could've been avoided if he turned himself in to the police and didn't go into hiding (while still giving interviews to Vice).>Guy doesn't turn himself in because he's afraid the police will kill him>Police kill him then lie about what happened
>>1391314>I activated the police lights on my Dodge Charger and began driving closer to Reinoehl's vehicle to assist with the arrest. As I appproached in my vehicle, I saw TFOs Merril, Oleole, and Gocha, as well as DUSM Kimmel, exit their vehicles and address Reinoehl. All PNVOTF members were clearly marked as law enforcement. Though my vehicle was up, I clearly heard PNVOTF members loudly yell, "Police, POlice, show me your hands!" From my vantage point, I could only see the top back of Reinoehl's head as he sat in the Jetta. >on my chest I wore a placard that read "US Marshal Fugitive Task Force," on my right hip and shoulder, I wore DOC badges, and on my back I wore a placard that read "POLICE-US Marshal Fugitive Task Force.">I covered Reinoehl with my duty weapon and yelled, "Police-stay down!". Reinoehl, with his right hand still in his pocket, quickly stood up and faced me. I yelled, "Police, police - stop!" I yelled "Police" approximately three times in the moment. Reinoehl did not comply, but appeared to be attempting to pull his right hand out of his right front pocket.>Once his shirt was pulled up, Reinoehl yanked upward with his right hand from his right front pants pocket in a drawing motion. I could see from the buldge and outline in Reinoehl's right front pants pocket that he had something in his right hand consistent in size and shape with a pistol. As I watched Reinohel's right hand start to come out of his pocket, I saw a portion of a small dark item in his hand that appeared to be a firearm. Fearing for my life, and the lives of my partners and civilians in the area, I raised my duty weapon to Reinohel and fired two times. As I fired, I heard other gun shots over my right shoulder.
>>1391316>There are no lefties on this board at all.Sure anon.>>1391317You're right anon. Waiting for cops to come and find you, and then pulling a gun on them was clearly the smarter option than turning himself in.
>>1391336Amazing how somehow he yelled that many times and 21 out of 22 witnesses apparently didn't hear it. And the one that "did" wasn't even on-scene when they shot?
>>1391337>Sure anonAnon if you think this dead board is a secret hideout for bunkertroons then you have bigger problems than current events or politics.
>>1391338Yeah it's almost like the witnesses were full of shit, right? But no I'm sure this cop was lying about the police car, the badges and placards, the multiple commands, etc. I mean you dirty lefties are just so full of integrity after all, you've never lied about anything.
>>1391302>Ironically, this could've been avoided if he turned himself in to the policeThe last police shooting I saw was a cop dropping a kid running from being shot at by someone else. Moving in the general direction of police is unhealthy.
>>1391341Good for you. Again, the other decision that Reinoehl went with clearly didn't work for him.... though to be fair it might've ended differently if he wasn't trying to shoot police.
>>1391342you really don't want to talk about how trump turned the white house into elon musk's car dealership do you
>>1391342>though to be fair it might've ended differently if he wasn't trying to shoot police.There's literally multiple sources confirming the police didn't say shit before shooting him, AND he didn't even get his gun out of his pocket despite the police initially trying to say he shot first.>>1391344Oh yeah that's right, we gotta talk about our president literally doing a fucking tesla commercial because one of his buddies is finally seeing his stock price crash.
>>1391345>There's literally multiple sources confirming the police didn't say shit before shooting himJust like there were multiple sources claiming HANDS UP DON'T SHOOT... Of course we know now that that was bullshit. Since you fucking leftists can't be honest ever - including in this thread - I'm going to take the police reports over what one of you subhumans "witnessed" after it was done. >AND he didn't even get his gun out of his pocket despite the police initially trying to say he shot first.You're trying really hard to give me a migraine with your stupidity right now.HEY STUPID FAGGOT! YOU DON'T NEED TO COMPLETELY DRAW A GUN ON A COP FOR THEM TO SHOOT YOU! JUST REACHING INTO YOUR POCKET AND TRYING TO PULL IT OUT IS ENOUGH JUSTIFICATION TO LIGHT YOU UP!I hope I made this very clear and you'll stop bringing this up like it's a point in your favor (it's not).
>>1391346u mad
>>1391345Oh! By the way I just found your witnesses! LMAO>When I arrived I saw a large number of non-law enforcement personnel dressed in all black who seemed to be yelling derogatory statements towards the police. These subjects were located outside of the crime scene tape which had been placed around the area. As I entered into the crime scene I could see the body of Mr. Reinoehl lying a short distance away from what I was told was the vehicle he had been in. I also saw several marked and unmarked police vehicles surrounding Mr. Reinoehl's vehicle. "a large number of non-law enforcement personnel dressed in all black" ... Hmmm... They seem trustworthy! lol you fucking faggots.
>>1391346Why would you believe the people investigating themselves? We literally know the blue wall of silence is a thing; it's literally unofficial department policy to lie to cover up other cops committing brutality. And more over, you really think the 21 witnesses who said they didn't hear shit were able to coordinate a lie but the police wouldn't lie to justify a shooting? A shooting where, CONVIENTLY, there were no bodycams or dashcams to prove what happened?>>1391348Yes people do get pissed when police roll up and execute someone in broad daylight with 0 forewarning.
>>1391265>They didn't just roll up and shoot him without warning, fake news>But like, it was totally cool when Trump said they did so. They should be doing that.Literally "They're not doing that. And if they did do that, it was good."
>>1391353fascist logic in a nutshell
>>1391352>Why would you believe the people investigating themselves?Because they're putting the information into reports that are being reviewed by detectives, judges, lawyers, etc. A far more effective procedure than "Dude just trust the guys dressed in all black lol!" >We literally know the blue wall of silence is a thing; it's literally unofficial department policy to lie to cover up other cops committing brutality.Awww booo hoooo hoooo I'm sure the cops were just lying about all the guns in Reinoehl's car - oh wait, there's pictures. Just like I'm sure they were lying about surrounding him and announcing themselves, even though EVERY FUCKING PHOTO of them has the word "POLICE" on every one of their bulletproof vests. Did they dress themselves up after the shooting? God you're pathetic. >And more over, you really think the 21 witnesses who said they didn't hear shit were able to coordinate a lieYes. You faggots lie all the time. I'm not taking the word of a subhuman leftist. Your word is dogshit. I'd sooner trust these cops over you 10 times out of 10. >A shooting where, CONVIENTLY, there were no bodycams or dashcams to prove what happened?I'm looking through the reports right now. When I find them mention cameras you're fucked.>Yes people do get pissed when police roll up and execute someone in broad daylight with 0 forewarning.Which isn't what happened at all, so it's another day of leftists getting mad because one of their criminal friends got what he deserved.
>>1391353Trump can say whatever the fuck he wants to, he wasn't in charge of that scene. But cope more faggots.
>>1391355tldr faggot. we get it, you suck cop dick like a good boy
>>1391357>nooooo we gud we dindu nuffin Reinoehl a gud boilol faggot
>>1391355>Because they're putting the information into reports that are being reviewed by detectives, judges, lawyers, etc.Damn I didn't know they have seer powers that let them automatically know they're telling the truth when there's conveniently no records to provide objective fact. Especially when, if they did shoot him without warning, the same people who'd need to report that are the ones who'd be in trouble for it.>Awww booo hoooo hoooo I'm sure the cops were just lying about all the guns in Reinoehl's car - oh wait, there's pictures.2nd amendment. Cops can't execute people just for carrying.>even though EVERY FUCKING PHOTO of them has the word "POLICE" on every one of their bulletproof vests.Yeah that means literally nothing. Please explain how wearing a vest is going to make it apparent someone is a cop if they immediately start shooting at you before you can notice them. >Yes. You faggots lie all the time. I'm not taking the word of a subhuman leftist. Your word is dogshit. I'd sooner trust these cops over you 10 times out of 10."Obviously they would lie but the cops who'd get in trouble if they admitted to doing anything like what was described would be always telling the truth." Honestly I'm starting to think we should start prosecuting on the honor system; if the defendant said they didn't do it, well that's objectively true then.>I'm looking through the reports right now. When I find them mention cameras you're fucked.You're literally not. I don't know why you'd admit to this before actually finding proof.
>>1391356Except Reinoehl was killed by US marshals, who were deployed by Trump in the area and would report to him. All things he himself confirmed, by the way.
>>1391359>when there's conveniently no records to provide objective factBesides all the fucking evidence?>2nd amendment. Cops can't execute people just for carrying.lol what a retard.1) Reinoehl was already a criminal with a fucking history.2) You kinda lose that when you... oh I don't know... MURDER someone and go into hiding, and3) Go point a gun at a cop right now. Then tell him you have a 2A right - if you're still alive (God I hope not).>Please explain how wearing a vest is going to make it apparent someone is a cop if they immediately start shooting at you before you can notice them.Which isn't what happened, as Reinoehl had enough time to make a run for it. Thus he had enough time - while he was running - to think "Gee I wonder why these boogaloo boys are wearing badges and have "Police" and "Sheriff" on their chests.">Honestly I'm starting to think we should start prosecuting on the honor systemWell then you're out of luck because you subhuman leftists have no honor, integrity, honesty, etc.>You're literally not.Yeah I'm just making up all these quotes I'm copy/pasting out of thin air. Good job anon, you stupid fucking retard.
>>1391361Funny how I'm not seeing in any of the reports how they called Trump and told him "it's done".
>>1391362you keep getting owned but you just don't care, do you fascist faggot.
>>1391361>ReinoehlAll leftist terrorists need to be put down
>>1391362>Besides all the fucking evidence?The evidence cops were lying about? please tell me how this man simultaneously shot at police and had his fully loaded gun still in his pants when he died.>Which isn't what happened, as Reinoehl had enough time to make a run for it. They shot him 40 times. Real life doesn't work like a video game where your hp hits 0 and you die instantly.Also, still looking for those bodycams anon? The ones cops are legally supposed to have and that would've proven their version of events right? Or how about that conveniently scrambled radio?
>>1391366This.
Man they're really trying to deflect from Trump filming a fucking car commercial from the white house in this thread.
>>1391369we can tell when you respond to yourself you know
>>1391367>The evidence cops were lying about?Oh yeah I'm sure they photoshopped all the pictures I'm looking at too, faggot. Just shut the fuck up you pathetic monkey. >please tell me how this man simultaneously shot at policeWas drawing his gun from his pocket when he got lit up.>and had his fully loaded gun still in his pants when he died.Because it was probably caught in his pants when he was drawing in a panic. You know you fucking leftist monkeys are retards that haven't discovered the holster invention yet.>They shot him 40 times.And? Your point? Maybe don't reach for a gun when there's half a dozen police around you.>Real life doesn't work like a video game where your hp hits 0 and you die instantly.No shit. Again, what's your fucking point? Besides useless babble? >Also, still looking for those bodycams anon?Yeah, and I'll admit that I can't find the fucking things. So I'll give you that much and take the L on that one. I can find rifles with serial numbers, magazines, first aid kits, flashlights, etc. etc. but for some reason I can't find a bodycam listed on the evidence page. So I'll give you that one.See unlike you leftists I can be honest and admit when I'm wrong. >Or how about that conveniently scrambled radio?Oh yeah I found a quote on that one. One second.Dt. Sgt. Paul Logan: Okay, and where you were during the changeover withcommunications, you weren't in a position to hear what they weresaying?Craig McCluskey: No. During the changeover communications, because I think theywere having difficulty with the channel we selected, so PierceCounty team elected to go to another county frequency that our USMarshal radios didn't have access to. So what we did is I switchedto a Marshal service primary channel and the frequency was – andthe communication was going to be relayed from my other DeputyMarshal who was in the vehicle side by side with the PierceCounty personnel.
>>1391378you sure are invested in your lie, fascist faggot. this is a thread about trump bending the knee to elon musk though
>>1391380I know you're not that anon I was arguing with, but for the fuck of it I'll reply to you and drop a few more quotes from the cute powerpoint they made of the whole event.>Ballistic results from the Washington State Patrol Crime Lab confirm that thefired .380 casing found in the back seat of the Jetta was fired by the same IO .380 pistol in possession of Michael Reinoehl at the time of the shooting>All citizen witnesses contacted at the scene recognized that the task forceofficers were law enforcement officers.>Several civilian witnesses believed that Reinoehl was firing at the taskforce officers or that he fired first in the engagement.
>>1391378What pictures? Also, you know how easy it is to just shift someone's hand to be at a holster when they're, you know, dead? By the way, the common, actually instinctive, response to being shot is to try and move while you still can. If someone rolled up and shot you unprompted you'd probably also try to flee to safety.Oh, and nice excuse for the radios not working. "Yeah the channel just didn't work. Oh well, gotta go in with them all messed up so there's conveniently no recording of us saying or not saying anything!"Curious what report you're actually reading by the way.
>>1391389>What pictures?Evidence of the shooting, along with the reports, sworn statements, even .wav files of the radio chatter when they were doing surveillance. Would you like to know more?>Also, you know how easy it is to just shift someone's hand to be at a holster when they're, you know, dead?We're still on this bullshit? >Curious what report you're actually reading by the way.https://www.muckrock.com/foi/lakewood-8411/incident-report-and-footage-of-michael-forest-reinoehl-shooting-ii-lakewood-police-department-110554/#file-976106Here you go. Have fun sifting through all these documents. Maybe you'll learn something new. I've had enough for now, gonna get something to eat. Enjoy.
>>1391394we all know you're a shill anon. is there a cafeteria where you work or something?
>>1391373Fucking peak comedy post.You think multiple people are singular, and use the term "we" to refer to your own delusions Peak comedy, reallyhttps://files.catbox.moe/ssypw3.png
>>1391407see, you're also the only one who tries to post media on a text only board. you're lucky i'm giving you pointers anon, learn from them so you're not such an obvious spamming faggot
>>1391394Amazing, all this documentation and yet not a single bodycam or audio recording of the shooting.BTW, why don't you ask why the initial response was he opened fire only for them to shift to "Well, uh, he was reaching for a gun!" when it turned out his clip was full and the bullet they found in his car wasn't from that.Oh, and also notice how when they interviewed one of the detectives assigned to the situation, he repeated the lie that Reinoehl shot at officers and said nothing about them identifying themselves prior to shooting.Amazing how they seemed to go from "Shots fired" to "well, he was going to shoot!" as soon as it became apparent they couldn't claim the first one huh?
>>1391394>>1391413Oh, finally found the report of one of the guys who confronted him.>We were very close to the suspect and I immediately opened my door and yelled “POLICE…” as loud as I could while exiting the vehicleBut when you go to witness testimony of the people living in the apartments, not a single one says anything about that. In fact, one of the people they interviewed was an army medic and the first thing he thought when he saw it was that it was a gang shooting. Ain't that weird?
>>1391408Well, I'd rather be the person who posts media proving a crazy person is crazy, rather than being you, the crazy person who lies all the time and has routine meltdowns.Cheers
>>1390808>"When Elon Musk came to the White House asking me for help on all of his many subsidized projects, whether it's electric cars that don't drive long enough, driverless cars that crash, or rocketships to nowhere, without which subsidies he'd be worthless, and telling me how he was a big Trump fan and Republican, I could have said, 'drop to your knees and beg,' and he would have done it..."lmao
>>1391182>I'm saying your bullshit statement that the fucking people at Jan 6th got treated with KIDS GLOVES is ridiculous.Lol only retards think the jan 6 crowd was treated with "kid gloves" that was the single greatest instance of political persecution probably since the red scare
>>1391501>We weren't treated with kids gloves!>Only gets 4 years for attempting to murder congress members and having to be fought back by securityIf dems did what repubs did on 1/6 Trump would have them sent to gitmo. Our failure to respond to it properly is exactly why the world no longer takes us seriously.
>>1391510>If dems did what repubs did on 1/6 Trump would have them sent to gitmoDems did worse and they did it for nearly 6 months in 2020 and caused a lot of violence, mayhem and death and trump didn't "send them to gitmo" so you are objectively wrong Although now, after leftist terrorists are back to terrorizing and they've made a few attempts in Trump's life, you just may be correct. It's time to take off the kid gloves start treating these leftist terrorists like the terrorists they are.
>>1391179democrats plotted two assassinations several sham court cases and countless "protests" that resulted in millions of property damage. Your newest "protest" is literally seeing someone with a tesla branded car on the street and setting it on fire or bashing it with a hammer.If your whole excuse is "democrats aren't as violent as republicans if they did what they did they'd be in jail we hold them properly accountable" then kindly fuck off you're either a shill or so ill-informed you shouldn't any place in public discourse. Its funny how you say conservatives need an enemy to hate when democrats have literally been led by the nose to hate whoever disagrees with them politically to the point you socially execute then dox them.
>>1391521>Dems did worse and they did it for nearly 6 months in 2020 and caused a lot of violenceit's hilarious how five years later you're still hanging onto this event that did nothing but lead to one hog getting arrested, lying it ever got remotely as "violent", when right-wingers start a hitler rally every time they barely manage to gather.>when democrats have literally been led by the nose to hate whoever disagrees with them politically to the point you socially execute then dox them.you are just describing the online right since 2017.
>>1391529>this event that did nothing but lead to one hog getting arrestedJust because you lie doesn't mean anyone is going to believe you.Just because you aren't American and we're around for this event doesn't mean anyone is going to take you seriously when you try to rewrite history, foreign shill
>>1391532>Just because you lie doesn't mean anyone is going to believe you.pot calling the kettle nigger
>>1391522Good post anon
>>1391549I told you never to reply to me again
>>1391413>BTW, why don't you ask why the initial response was he opened fire only for them to shift to "Well, uh, he was reaching for a gun!" when it turned out his clip was full and the bullet they found in his car wasn't from that.I don't know why you keep acting like reaching for a gun with police around isn't grounds for termination. Whether he did or didn't shoot, the fact that he was pulling a gun out was the action that got him killed. >>1391452>Mimi says she sees flashing lights and identification on their backs identifying themas LE>Terry stated that he saw emergency lights activated on the DodgeCharger which was driven by DOC Specialist Whitehurst and pulledup behind the other cars.>Chad states that the officers were, “US Marshals and task force officers.” When askedhow he knew that he stated that was obvious based on their patches, clothing and othermarkings.>[REDACTED] said he knew the difference between the police and the other guy, “becausethe police were wearing vests and badges.”>[REDACTED 2] did not see any emergency lights or hear any shouting prior to the shooting, butadmits he was more focused on getting the children out of the roadway.Also notice how all of the witnesses living in the apartments refused to give a statement. Ain't that weird?But please keep crying harder over your murdering boyfriend getting capped by police because he's a retard who was on the run from police and still decided to load guns in his car because he "self identifies as, “100% Antifa.”" and "They were also told that Reinoehl stated, “He would not be taken alive.”"Well he got his wish.kek
>>1391510>If dems did what repubs did on 1/6 Trump would have them sent to gitmo.Oh like that time dems stormed the Capitol to prevent Kavanaugh from becoming an SC justice?
>>1391598>Police lie once>"But they're telling the truth this time!"Also, amazing how all of these guys saw all of these things, but not a single one can recall the cops yelling "Police!" at the top of their lungs.
>>1391599Yeah I remember them bashing police with flagpoles and smearing shit on the walls, only being stopped by an impromptu barricade and one of them getting shot.Oh wait, that didn't happen.
>>1391600To be honest I'm tired of arguing this dumb shit with you. It's fucking retarded as much as you are. They were obviously cops and Reinoehl knew that when he reached for his gun, since he 'wouldn't be taken alive'. I'm not going to keep posting quote after quote just so you can stick your fingers in your homosexual ears and chant "nuh uh!">>1391601Isn't that still a disruption of a government function, which counts as an insurrection? Oh wait, the left did it so it doesn't count. Just like it didn't count with May 30th when they tried to storm the White House.
>>1391603>They were obviously copsAnd yet one of those same witnesses said he though they were gang members. Also, convenient how the debate was not "Were they dressed as cops" and more "Did they actually announce before they shot him to death", which literally every single witness at the scene did not mention in spite of the cop's saying they shouted it as loud as possible. Seriously, we've got witnesses saying they saw the cop lights, witnesses saying they saw them block him in, but not a single witness saying "yeah, I heard them shout 'Police!' really loud."
>>1391604All this doesn't change the fact that Reinoehl knew they were cops and reached for his gun, so your crying about "wuh well wun of the winesses said blah blah blah" is a waste of my fucking time.Also,>leftist faggots like you lie your asses off throughout 2020>leftist faggots like you go around shooting and murdering people>including Reinoehl>who goes into hiding, then when police catch up to him he pulls a gun on them>REEEEEEE THE POLICE MURDERED HIM!!! THEY SAID THEY ANNOUNCED THEMSELVES BUT THEY'RE LYING WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHypocritical faggots like you deserve to be shot like Reinoehl.
>>1391605>All this doesn't change the fact that Reinoehl knew they were copsHow would he know they were cops if they boxed him in and shot first before saying anything? Reminder that was the whole point of debate here, if they properly announced themselves and gave him a chance to surrender or just rolled up and put 40 rounds into him. Right now it's sounding a whole lot like not only did they not say shit, but they then lied that they did only for not a single witness to back that statement up.Reinoehl deserved a day in court, not feds executing him in the street on Trump's behalf.
>>1391609>How would he know they were copsThe lights, the sirens, the word POLICE on their vests, etc.>if they boxed him in and shot first before saying anything?Didn't happen that way faggot. Reinoehl had enough time to reach for his gun so he had enough time to put his hands up as well. He chose poorly. >Reminder that was the whole point of debate hereIs that you're a faggot crying about your antifa suckbuddy getting killed for murder because you're a fucking hypocrite. > if they properly announced themselves and gave him a chance to surrender They did.>or just rolled up and put 40 rounds into him.And he still had enough time to reach for his gun.>Right now it's sounding a whole lot like not only did they not say shit, but they then lied that they did only for not a single witness to back that statement up.Disregard all the witnesses I quoted saying they clearly knew they were police. How did they figure it out but Reinoehl couldn't? >Reinoehl deserved a day in court,Well then he shouldn't of reached for his gun then.>not feds executing him in the street1) not an execution and 2) like when Reinoehl murdered Danielson? lol fucking hypocrite.
>>1391611>Reinoehl had enough time to reach for his gun so he had enough time to put his hands up as well.Ok, so we've established the police did in-fact lie they introduced themselves. So why the fuck should I believe them when they say he reached for a gun at all? You've already conceded that they didn't tell him to surrender.
>>1391614>Ok, so we've established the police did in-fact lie they introduced themselves.lol no we didn't faggot. Keep lying. That's all you leftists are good for.>You've already conceded that they didn't tell him to surrender.And where the fuck did I say that?
>>1391617>And where the fuck did I say that?The part where not a single witness outside the officers can recall them yelling "POLICE!" at the top of their lungs. We got reports of them noticing the cars, noticing the badges, hearing the gunshots... and curiously not a single one of the police making any attempt to get him to surrender before opening fire.
>>1391620>The part where not a single witness outside the officers can recall them yelling "POLICE!" at the top of their lungs.Okay so I didn't say that and you're just making shit up. Thought so.
>>1390887I’ll help him smack the utter fucking shit out you too.
>>1391452>But when you go to witness testimony of the people living in the apartmentsI just realized... Where are those witness testimonies you're referring to? Quote?
>>1391622Ok so where is the witnesses saying anything about them yelling "Police"? Did I miss it somehow... or does it just not exist and the cops lied about it?>>1391640anon's link has an MP4 containing their testimony.
>>1390819the word "TERROR" is in terrorist.Tell me, does a car getting vandalized terrify you?> violenceviolence against...a car? Can you get murder charges for collisions now?
>>1390819>>1391663So to be fair here, under us law, a requirement for terrorism is that the action being committed is dangerous to human life. Therefore, no, setting a car on fire at a dealership probably would not qualify as terrorism.However, the reports of people shooting at dealerships likely would.
>>1391643>Ok so where is the witnesses saying anything about them yelling "Police"?Again, I didn't say that and you got caught fucking lying again. What a faggot.>>1391643>anon's link has an MP4 containing their testimony.Of one person? Please explain to me how you know that none of the witnesses living in the apartments heard police when NONE of the witnesses living in the apartments gave a sworn statement.
>>1391690Amazing how apparently all the people in the apartments can coordinate to lie, but the police can.I really need you to prove me wrong. Produce one example of a witness at the scene who wasn't a cop saying the police said anything before they started shooting.
>>1391694*police can't.
>>1391694>Amazing how apparently all the people in the apartments can coordinate to lieShow me where they're lying about it - oh wait, you can't because they refused to provide a statement! You got caught lying again. >I really need you to prove me wrong.No what you really need to do is hang yourself. Then you can be together with your lover Reinoehl.
>>1391694I'm just getting into this conversation but I'm wondering if you've ever lived in a apartment? You generally don't hear what people are saying down on the street level. You will hear gunshots though. I would have totally expected nobody to have heard conversations or words being said at the street level until gunshots happened and it directed their attention
>>1391694>But when you go to witness testimony of the people living in the apartments, not a single one says anything about that.>turns out there is no witness testimony of the people living in the apartments, not a single oneLMAO
>>1391663>Tell me, does a car getting vandalized terrify you?Yeah. Because that means they're willing to act like violent retards based on lies.During the BLM riots these same retards were pulling "fascists" out of cars and beating them to death.I don't want to get raked through the coals in a courtroom if some leftist retard forces me into a self-defense situation to 'fight nazism'.
>>1391697>>1391698>>1391700We've got witness statements and not a single one collaborates the police saying anything before shooting. We've got witnesses who saw them enter, witnesses who heard gunshots, but not a single witness to collaborate the police did anything but shoot him on sight.
>>1391789So shouldn't we deem every schizo or retard who does an arson a terrorist?
>>1391792Only if they burn shit to 'protect democracy'.Liberals are fucking retarded if they think this is going to do anything positive.
>>1391789>based on lies.There's the rub.
>>1391789but do you have any reasons that don't originate with your schizo delusions? none of the fake stuff you come up with on your meth binges count
>>1391789You mean the Boogaloo Riots?
>>1391812https://nypost.com/2020/08/17/blm-mob-beat-white-man-unconscious-after-making-him-crash-truck/
>>1391825>choses one of the worst racebaiting sources"A BLM mob" for the NY post is 4 black people eating at McDonalds.
>>1391826>it didn't happen>it wasn't that bad (you are here)>they deserved it
>>1391825>scream get out of here n******>tell husband to hit the gas>he's too much of a pussy to run over people>they're surrounding us>start recording>oh no i'm such a victim>husband fucks up again and drives into a tree>he gets the beating you deserve>at least the NYPost gets a racebaiting article about it for gullible retards to quote so they can pretend the BLM protests were all violent
>>1391825Yeah nice misleading article. Even the guy himself said they weren't BLM protestors, just a random mob taking advantage of unrest to rob someone (ironically a trans-woman).
>>1391829BLM was violent, they caused much more mayhem than j6 and that is a fact
>>1390819Far as I'm concerned, it's not terrorism if no human was actually targeted.
>>1391854BLM didn't try to overthrow the fucking government.
>>1391790>We've got witness statementsAh ah ah, lying faggot. You said... and let me quote here:>But when you go to witness testimony of the people living in the apartments, not a single one says anything about that.>living in the apartmentsTurns out that - and let me quote from the police here: Nathaniel Dingus: Refused to provide a statement toinvestigators. Stephanie Ellis: Refused to provide a statement toinvestigators. Loris Viola: Refused to provide a statement to investigators. These witnesses were confirmed to be residents of Apartment#1 but declined to give any further information about theincident.You said "when you go to witness testimony of the people living in the apartments"... Provide their testimony. Now. ... oh wait, you can't. Typical lying leftist that deserves to be shot in the face.
>>1390819It's not terrorism. It's people being dicks, sure, cause not every Tesla owner loves Trump or Musk. But it's not terrorism, it's vandalism.
>>1390812KekIt truly is a perfect career for himTrump is whatever but fuck fully electric vehicles, I'll never buy one.
>>1391856And that's why they fucking suckImagine if BLM joined the Jan 6th riotsTHAT would have been some fucking progress. But nooooo everyone is bitching about muh Trump and muh Biden
>>1391868Can you provide a single witness who collaborates the police saying they shouted "Police!" at the top of their lungs?Also, look at the audio recording. That dude lived in the apartment too. As did the Reverend that made a statement through his lawyer that they didn't introduce themselves and just shot him immediately.
>>1391880Maybe, but I'm still waiting on you to provide any testimony from the witnesses living in the apartments... you implied you read them. Where are they?
>>1391856No they just tried to kill the president. Apparently that doesn't count.
>>1391882>they just tried to kill the presidentLiterally a white Republican voter that tried to do it for clout.You're right. That doesn't fucking count. Fuck you.
>>1391911I'm talking about May 30th you retarded cocksucker.
>>1391856They did, The only place they were successful though was a small municipal government in Seattle for the neighborhood of Capitol Hill. BLM was literally rioting and shouting that peaceful protests were white supremacy
>>1391911>Literally a white Republican voter reeeeeeeeeeeWhich one was that again? The registered Democrat who made several videos talking about killing Republicans to usher in a revolution or the high schooler who made steady donations to the Dems when he wasn't staring in Blackrock commercials?