“Thus, in considering whether the H.B. 68 ban is reasonable, it is necessary to keep in mind that the law recognizes the maturity, experience, and capacity of parents to make difficult judgments and act in their children’s best interest,” she wrote.

The ACLU called the ruling “historic.”

“This win restores the right of trans youth in Ohio to choose vitally important health care, with the support of their families and physicians,” Freda Levenson, legal director of the ACLU of Ohio, said in a statement. “We are gratified by the Court’s decision, which soundly rejects this interference of politicians with Ohioans’ bodily autonomy.”

Tuesday’s ruling marked the second blow for the legislation.

Republican Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine vetoed the law in December 2023, after touring the state to visit children’s hospitals and talking to families of children with gender dysphoria. He cast his action as thoughtful, limited and “pro-life” — citing the suicide risks associated with minors who don’t get proper treatment for gender dysphoria.

DeWine simultaneously announced plans to move to administratively ban gender-affirming surgeries until a person is 18, and to position the state to better regulate and track gender-affirming treatments in both children and adults. He hoped the move would allay concerns of fellow Republicans at the Ohio Statehouse, but the administration swiftly backed off that plan after transgender adults raised serious concerns about how state regulations could impact their lives and health.

Ohio lawmakers stood their ground on the bill, easily overriding his veto — making Ohio the 23rd state to ban gender-affirming health care for trans youth.

Republican Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost, a candidate to succeed DeWine next year who serves as the Legislature’s lawyer, quickly released a statement saying that he will appeal Tuesday’s ruling.

“This is a no-brainer – we are appealing that decision and will seek an immediate stay,” he said. “There is no way I’ll stop fighting to protect these unprotected children.”

Levenson acknowledged that Tuesday’s ruling was likely not the end of the legal dispute, but she said in a statement that her organization remained “fervently committed” to preventing the bill from ever taking effect again.

>>1393586
Brainwashing your child into chopping off his dick and becoming a tranny so you can get upvotes on Reddit, is not “health care”.

>>1393608
Actual experts in the subject disagree.

>>1393586
>The appellate court agreed, in a 2-1 majority opinion written by Judge Carly Edelstein
>Edelstein
God fucking dammit.

>>1393608
Virtually no trans kids get surgery. The overwhelming majority get social transition (crossdressing/new name), puberty blockers, or HRT.

>>1393609
>experts

lol

>>1393616

Nobody under 18 should be getting any medical “transition” treatments. If they want to dress up like a fag (that is, if they’re brainwashed into doing it by their woketarded parents) then fine, but no medical treatments of ANY kind until they are legally adults and can make their own decisions.

>>1393618
You can't decide to not go through puberty if you're an adult and never got puberty blockers, you fucking idiot.

Kids should get the treatment that leads to the best outcomes for them. Fuck your feelings.

>>1393586
>, parents now have the right to decide if their kids should be trans, instead of big government.
No. Children are protected from parents by law if the parents make bad decisions like not feed them, or beat them, or sexually abused them. Surgery is permanent bodily change.When the kid reaches 18 they can do what they want. As to puberty blockers, the parent can decide on behalf of their child and the child should be at least 12 years old before they can take them. Puberty blockers can be reversed.

>>1393622

Kids are being brainwashed by crazy “progressive” parents into transitioning and are being given irreversible medical treatments that will doom them to a life they won’t want when they become adults and realize their parents were batshit crazy.

The proper treatment for a kid who _thinks_ he/she is the opposite sex, should be limited to psychiatric care.

>>1393622
>You can't decide to not go through puberty if you're an adult and never got puberty blockers,
Yes puberty blockers can't be reversed later on if the child is an adult and wants to transition back, for having your breasts or penis removed is not reversible, at least not functionally so.

>>1393644
>Kids are being brainwashed by crazy “progressive” parents i
No, kids are brainwashed by tik tok videos and their peers. Every parent who has a child that wants to transition has to take the child for long periods of consultation. Get out of your bubble, bigot

>>1393646
I don’t care if it’s TicToc, woketarded parents or the kids equally stupid friends, absolutely NO medical treatments of any kind for transitioning until the person is 18.

>>1393622
>Kids should get the treatment that leads to the best outcomes for them.
So nothing involving transitioning then?

>>1393663
>Experts like John Money, the father of transgenderism
He stereotyped trans people just like you do and the trans community doesn't like him either. Hell, he didn't even coin the term "transgender" or even "gender identity".

The irony is you're saying John Reimer committing suicide had anything to do with the whole sex reassignment or Money being a shithead creep. If you actually look into his life, you'll see he lived for 20 years after he got his proper gender identity back and his suicide almost certainly had more to do with the death of his brother 2 years prior, losing his job, and, oh yeah, his wife leaving him two days before he shot himself. But you love to leave all that out, don't you?

>>1393664
>So nothing involving transitioning then?
Depends. Let me just check all available medical research on the subject as well as the prevailing wisdom of all major national and international psychiatric and pediatric organizations.
...
Nope. Seems like kids should get access to transitioning and in fact legally denying trans kids access to medical care like transitioning is causally linked to greater suicidality.

Why do you want to kill children?
>https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-024-01979-5.epdf

>>1393644
>Kids are being brainwashed
Bitch, if that shit worked, conversion therapy would actually get results other than a bunch of rapes and suicides.

>>1393645
>having your breasts or penis removed is not reversible, at least not functionally so
1. Breast reduction is reversible via implants
2. Most breast reduction performed on children is done on *cis* boys and after them *cis* girls
3. If you're that fucking worried about milk production, I remind you formula exists
4. If you're that fucking worried about milk production, I remind you breast reduction can actually be done in a way that doesn't risk future potential for milk production. At all.
5. Kids don't get bottom surgery outside of shit like intersex
6. International guidelines recommend against bottom surgery for minors in the first damn place. You are bitching about a non-issue. If you *just* wanted to ban that outside of cases of defect, nobody would bitch. Not that that is fucking needed, cause again, kids don't fucking get bottom surgery.

>>1393681
>Depends. Let me just check all available medical research on the subject as well as the prevailing wisdom of all major national and international psychiatric and pediatric organizations.
Oh yes tell me more about these "experts" that want cure depression in minors by transitioning them into the demographic most likely to commit suicide.

lol also got a warning last post.

>>1393687
>Cannot read a word of the post
NTA but you're retarded and unable to comprehend anything that goes against your preexisting world view. Shockingly, social rejection has a suicide rate. You then use that suicide rate to justify more social rejection. And yet somehow you don't understand that.

>>1393609
I identify as an expert, and I say that this anon >>1393608 is correct

>>1393683
>Breast reduction on a girl with breasts so large they cause back problems is the same as breast REMOVAL on a girl who was brainwashed to think she's a boy
no
>implants are the same as the real thing
no. You might as well say bottom surgery is reversible because transwomen can wear a strapon.

>we don't chop the dicks off of kids
>we just spend years brainwashing them to make them want to chop their dicks off, then when they turn 18 we chop their dicks off
kys

>>1393681
weird how this wasn't a problem in previous eras. It's almost like the actual cause of suicide is you making these children confused about their sex and convincing them to reject biological reality.

>>1393687
>lol also got a warning last post.
I'm fairly certain that /news/ has an actual tranny mod. I've noticed trans posts censored before.

>>1393704
>social rejection has a suicide rate
so why do you keep convincing these kids to be social rejects? Stop telling boys that they are girls. At no other point in history did we have a problem of boys killing themselves because they thought they were girls. That started recently, when you started telling these boys that they were girls.

>>1393716
>>1393717
>Anon proves himself unable to read and register new facts once again
Ok bot.

>>1393717
As usual the moral crusaders who pull the "think of the children" card end up being more annoying than the people harming kids. I'm so beyond tired of culture warrior faggotry shitting up every aspect of society to the point that I don't care if a tranny kills himself, but I care even less if kid is allowed to cut his genitals off or not. It doesn't affect me in any way and I'm sick of hearing the people on both sides of the issue constantly whine about it.

>>1393609
Yeh experts that get paid shit loads to control kids and leftist feminists who love to destroy boys.

>>1393616
It still permanently alters their body you sick fck

>>1393718
Boys are not girls. That's not a new fact, but it's one that you seem unable to register.
>>1393719
>How does the collective well-being of society affect you in any way?

Seems like a new way for parents to get social clout. They realise their boy isn’t going to be sports star or top of the class. Let’s make him a tranny so the school administration and the state Gov have to worship him and us. also play the victim.
How many black kids transition? Do their parents already have the victim card so find no need?

>>1393724
I love the fanfic that someone transitioning seems to be some kind of social trend or advantage. Really tells me you've never met a single trans person in your entire life.

>>1393725
I didn’t say for the kid, I said for the parents. I am sure it is hell for the kid. I mean I had Identity issues as a kid. Wanted to be anyone but myself. Didn’t know I could become a girl though.

>>1393719
True I don’t give a fck either. The less we do the more it will fade from relevance.

>>1393609
>smoking is good for you, experts say

>>1393730
yap yap yap. Go outside.

>>1393616
puberty blockers and HRT destroy your body and mind.

>>1393622
The best outcome for all children is to let nature take its course and go through puberty. Puberty is not a decision that we make. It is a natural part of growing older, same as death btw.

>>1393737
You realize trans people still go through puberty once they actually get hrt right?

>>1393739
They don't go through puberty naturally when taking hormone replacement drugs.

>>1393739
Their bodies get screwed up for life and many regret it after they grow out of their edgy teen phase, but it has lifelong consequences

>>1393704
>Cannot read a word of the post
Well let's see, asshole. I'm pretty sure we were on this line of debate:
>Kids should get the treatment that leads to the best outcomes for them.
And since this treatment increases the odds of suicide, how the fuck is this in their best interest?

More to the point, how the fuck am I not 'reading a word of that post', you stupid fu- ... ah shit I gotta censor myself now because of the fucking mods here so I don't get banned. I forgot I'm arguing with a protected class... and we all know how sensitive you 'things' are. I wouldn't want you to get depressed and leave this world now (maybe).

>>1393719
>It doesn't affect me in any way
>pro-trans mods are here deleting comments and putting pressure on anti-trans users in a debate
You sure about that?

>>1393739
>claims other anons here don't know the science
>You realize trans people still go through puberty once they actually get hrt right?
Tell me, are there any irreversible effects of going through HRT during puberty?

>>1393756
You are the most insufferable faggot imaginable. They're not going to make you trans, you're safe in your masculinity, and your theoretical kids are safe too. Just let others live their lives and you live yours.
Why is it you're only worried about the 'well-being of society' when doing so lets you make other people feel like shit?

>>1393771
>Just let others live their lives and you live yours.
This is the mindset that caused us to wind up with both a homelessness crisis and a fentanyl crisis.

>>1393772
Funnily enough these were both because of a lack of support for others, the same mistake you're doing now.

>>1393771
>You are the most insufferable faggot imaginable.
Says the insufferable faggot who can't address what I said. Go cry to the fucking mods again.

>They're not going to make you trans
Of course not. I'm not worried about me becoming trans. I'm worried about minors becoming trans.... Funny how earlier you said
>Why do you want to kill children?
As you're pushing transitions that greatly increase the chance they'll self-terminate (can I say that word on 4chan, or is it too triggering?).

>and your theoretical kids are safe too.
Not with this bullshit you're pushing on kids that will completely ruin their lives forever, because some "experts" told you it was a good idea.

>Just let others live their lives and you live yours.
Then stop interfering with the lives of minors.

>Why is it you're only worried about the 'well-being of society' when doing so lets you make other people feel like shit?
Yes that's why I'm trying to save children from you cursing them with an almost 50% chance of killing themselves in the future, because you think you know better than biology. Get fucked, QQ to the mods more faggot.

>>1393784
>Local anon still doesn't understand the lack of social support and social rejection is more responsible for that rate
You know going by different pronouns doesn't make you suicidal. The world at large rejecting you for wanting to be comfortable in it does.

>>1393786
>The world at large rejecting you for wanting to be comfortable in it does.
I would feel more comfortable with a million dollars. Am I entitled to receive a million dollars?
The world doesn't care about your comfort. You think you deserve to be treated special because you're a special snowflake, but that has literally never been the case.
You are only entitled to what you can provide for yourself. If you need others to validate your existence then you are completely lost.

>>1393786
>Local anon still doesn't understand the lack of social support
>as trans shit is being supported and pushed by media, government, entertainment, etc. to the point where anyone pushing back is called a nazi
> and social rejection
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH I CAN'T GET A MAN I CATFISHED TO FUCK MY FAKE PUSSY I'M GOING TO GO KILL MYSELF WAAAAAHHHHHHH
And this is beneficial to children how?

>>1393787
>I don't understand why being an asshole to people is bad
Imagine someone calling you a child molester for no reason. It's not narcissistic to want to be able to exist without being harassed.

>>1393737
>The best outcome for all children is to let nature take its course
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature

Also you wouldn't hold this standard for anything else. If a kid had brain cancer you wouldn't be arguing for nature to take its course. Fuck's sake.
>same as death btw.
Or maybe you would, demon.

>>1393716
>weird how this wasn't a problem in previous eras
Fucking what? First of all, how the fuck would you know when it wasn't studied in previous eras. Second of all, why the fuck would you even think that when suicide rates generally were higher in previous eras?

>no
Yes
>no
Yes
>bitching about bottom surgery for adults now
Fuck off and die

>Oh yes tell me more about these "experts" that want cure depression in minors by transitioning them into the demographic most likely to commit suicide.
Treating someone for being trans doesn't make them trans, dipshit. It also doesn't make someone more likely to commit suicide. Blocking access to their treatment DOES though.

>>1393717
>so why do you keep convincing these kids to be social rejects?
>Kids should stop doing shit that makes me tell them to kill themselves
Or you could stop telling kids to kill themselves. It's almost like you want kids to die. I'm kidding. Of course you want kids to die.

>>1393787
Mam, this has literally fuck all to do with entitlement. Giving someone a million dollars isn't a part of basic human decency. Treating someone with respect when they've done nothing to earn disrespect is.

Also, people should actually be entitled to medical care, a thing you would deny others. If you do want to make this about entitlement, you lose that argument.

>>1393791
>Imagine someone calling you a child molester for no reason.
Oh there's a reason, and it involves what you want to do to children.
>It's not narcissistic to want to be able to exist without being harassed.
Translation: it's not fair that people are harassing me for wanting to chop their eight year old son's cock off.

Now let's see how long until I get banned for saying the truth out loud.

>>1393797
>If a kid had brain cancer you wouldn't be arguing for nature to take its course. Fuck's sake.
Yeah the difference between curing brain cancer and chopping an eight year old's nuts off is that one CLEARLY benefits while the other does not.

>Fucking what? First of all, how the fuck would you know when it wasn't studied in previous eras.
Fucking what? I'm pretty sure fags dressing and acting like women goes back beyond the Greek times.

>Second of all, why the fuck would you even think that when suicide rates generally were higher in previous eras?
Oh now you give a shit about suicides? As you're advocating for increasing the odds for children you don't own?

>Yes
No. NTA by the way, No, no, you fuck off and die. Nobody here likes you except for the mod taking your side and running interference.

>Or you could stop telling kids to kill themselves. It's almost like you want kids to die. I'm kidding. Of course you want kids to die.
lmao you can't make this shit up. You're pushing a procedure that makes it more likely that they'll kill themselves and then accusing others for wanting them to die.

Do you even think before you post?
>nb4 ban for criticizing the protected class

>>1393810
>You're pushing a procedure that makes it more likely that they'll kill themselves
Actually the suicide rate is higher without transitioning in cases of gender dysphoria.

>>1393810
All of this bullshit has already been addressed in this thread. Learn to read and stop trying to get kids killed.

Facts don't care about your feelings. Actually, nobody cares about your feelings.

>>1393811
Which they wouldn't have in the first place if this poisonous idea wasn't being taught in schools to begin with.
>From 2017 to 2021, there was a nearly threefold increase in diagnoses of gender dysphoria among children and adolescents in the U.S., from 15,172 in 2017 to 42,167 in 2021.
Hmmm I wonder what caused that?
> A recent analysis of insurance claims by Komodo Health found that nearly 18000 US minors began taking puberty blockers or hormones from 2017 to 2021, the number rising each year.

Oh and here's a slightly related quote:
>These young people are also more likely than their cisgender peers to have concurrent mental health and neurodiverse conditions including depression, anxiety, attention deficit disorders, and autism.
So why are we pushing this shit again, especially on vulnerable kids with psychological issues?
>in before 'no the experts say it's good to fuck up a kid for life without their consent'

>>1393799
>Giving someone a million dollars isn't a part of basic human decency.
I identify as a saudi oil baron. Give me a million dollars or you're a bigot.
>people should actually be entitled to medical care
You're not entitled to other people's labor, get wrekt.

>>1393791
>Imagine someone calling you a child molester for no reason.
It's not for no reason.

>>1393799
>Also, people should actually be entitled to medical care, a thing you would deny others.
Ugh, get fucked.

>>1393812
>>1393816
Not him but jesus christ you're gullible. Also no one is fooled by a 4chan incel's concern for kids.

>>1393819
>>1393820
>>1393821
Who was the person most responsible for turning you into a culture war bot?

>>1393799
>when they've done nothing to earn disrespect is.
Trooning out is enough to earn disrespect tho. I give the kids some leeway tho because they're just being brainwashed by their libcuck parents

>>1393823
Seeing what disgusting child-raping monster that liberals are did that

>>1393846
You retards swear by the John Reimer case even though if anything that showed it's effectively impossible for even someone's parents convince someone to be a gender they don't want to be.

>>1393771
The problem is that trans people will try to police your language. They don't want to just live their lives. They want YOU to validate their mental illness.

>>1393860
Do you insist every long-haired guy or short haired woman you encounter is a girl/guy because they looked like it from behind?

>>1393854
1) pretty sure I'm the only one who brought that case up lmao
and
2) the same parents that let their children be molested and forced into "sexual roleplay" by an """expert"""?

In before I get banned for bringing John Money up again (for anyone not aware, look this guy up right now. If you think you hate the left enough for trying to trans kids, trust me you don't).

>>1393862
No I don't. But I'm not going to pretend a man is actually a woman just because he dresses like one.

>>1393884
As was posted before, Money is considered a piece of shit in the trans community too. Pretty much everywhere actually.

The irony is I'm still correct in that it shows they couldn't convince the guy he had a different gender identity. By your own metric they did everything in their power to convince him he was a girl and it didn't work.

>>1393886
So why do you insist on refusing to correct yourself when someone tells you you're using the wrong pronouns.

>>1393889
>By your own metric they did everything in their power to convince him he was a girl and it didn't work.
Yeah it's almost as if your bullshit doesn't work and you're ruining children's lives for nothing.

>>1393892
So how are these parents somehow grooming their kids to transition against their own will?

>>1393811
Oh you lying motherfucker!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-study-finds-12-fold-higher-risk-of-suicide-attempt-for-adult-transgender-patients/ar-BB1mAhZL

>>1393891
Because I'm not using the wrong pronouns. They're larping as the wrong sex.

See what I mean? You, and they, try to police my language. Why not just act like a chick if they want, and then not care if someone else refuses to play along? Why do they require the validation of strangers? It's bizarre.

>>1393894
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14118499/father-pleaded-ex-wife-chemically-castrate-son-crushing-blow.html
Gee it's a mystery.

>>1393895
Did the "In cases of gender dysphoria" part of that sentence just escape your notice?

When you don't just compare to the general population and instead to others who have gender dysphoria, transitioning vastly improves the outcome.
>https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/mhrj-05-2014-0015/full/html

>>1393900
Yeah that doesn't support your statement. Or even contribute anything to this, so I'm just gonna file it under deflection

>>1393898
Ok 'mam whatever your empathy-less ass says.

>>1393906
You're only proving my point. Now you're acting like a child, and a hypocrite, because you didn't get your way. This is why no one supports trans people. You can't handle any criticism and you try to force everyone else to play along. Do what you want. I really don't care. But keep me out of it.

>>1393911
Man calling you 'mam really seemed to piss you off. I'm just referring to you by your evident gender considering you're acting like a massive bitch over this.

>>1393914
Tldr. Don't care. We're winning. You're seething. Trump's doing what needs to be done about the Troonish Question

>>1393914
No, I'm not pissed off at all. I'm just calling you out on your nonsense. You're only digging yourself into a deeper hole, btw.

>>1393917
Considering they just got shot down in court, lol.

>>1393918
You seem upset.

It really is lovely that without fail they always go with "Please think of the children!" to actually calling for the deaths of those children when pressed.

Literally never give into their framing. These dipshits are demons that can't even counter the smallest fact that have their facades crumble when faced with any amount of resistance.

>>1393921
and yet the legal proceedings aren't done. It's gonna be a long 4 years for ya troon.

>Judge ((((Carly Edelstein))))
lol. Right. Im sure this judge totally isn't compromised and biased kek

>>1393922
We didn't kill those children, the left did when they brainwashed them into killing their true selves

>>1393926
>killing their true selves
God you sound like a cultist.

>>1393905
>how are parents grooming kids to transition?
>here's an example of a parent grooming their kid to transition.
>yeah that doesn't count!
lmao fuck you.

>>1393935
Ok where's the evidence of grooming beyond the word of the guy who lost custody?

>>1393903
>Did the "In cases of gender dysphoria" part of that sentence just escape your notice?
Yeah it did, because it's not there in the article.

>>1393937
Yeah you're right. How can we trust the word of the father? I mean it's not like he was there or anything. How else do you explain that a FIVE YEAR OLD that doesn't even know what the color blue is yet is identifying as a woman?

>>1393941
Kid is 12. Wouldn't they start complaining right about now? Unless of course they actually do have gender dysphoria, but of course you don't acknowledge that's possible.

>>1393946
>Kid is 12.
And has been brainwashed since he was five. You do understand how grooming works, right?

... silly question. Of course you do.

>>1393948
Didn't work on John Reiner. Why would it work here?

>>1393949
>You retards swear by the John Reimer case
>keeps bringing it up
lmao

>>1393950
You brought it up first lol. Explain how somehow two parents couldn't brainwash someone who was castrated at birth into thinking they had a female gender identity but one can do so from the age of five.

>>1393953
Different culture. In Reiner's day people would rightfully treat transgenderists like the freaks they are. In modern Weimerica everyone was forced to coddle and adore troons until Trump came along

>>1393953
>You brought it up first lol.
I brought it up first as the perfect example "actual experts on the subject" and what they do to children. And then that must've hurt your feelings too much because a moderator had to step in and protect you from mean words.

>>1393965
>I brought it up first as the perfect example "actual experts on the subject"
A singular "expert" operating on information over half a century ago whose views haven't been held as mainstream in decades. Nothing about him is perfect or even representative of the science on the issue.

Dude literally thought gender was a binary, you could be converted from one gender to another, and that intersex patients and those with genital injuries should be given bottom surgeries as minors without consent.

Not to mention the whole child porn and data fraud issues.

It's like using Unit 731 as an authority on epidemiology.

>>1393978
And yet he's regarded as the father of gender identity and was praised for his work - until more people found out what his work entailed.

But hey don't take my word for it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/dr-john-money-pioneer-sexual-identity-dies-flna1C9439208

What an amazing "pioneer"! Making so much progress in the field of study you push onto normal people.

>>1393986
>Look guys, his obituary praised him!
Yeah and Henry Kissinger's death article on the New York Times just says he "Shaped the cold war" like he wasn't responsible for millions of deaths. Doesn't change the fact the actual trans community reviles him.

>>1393987
>Look guys, his obituary praised him!
Oh no no no, MSNBC praised him. But I guess that doesn't count, right?

>>1393986
>And yet he's regarded as the father of gender identity and was praised for his work - until more people found out what his work entailed.
>Turning out to be a fraud and an abuser means people stop looking upon your work favorably
Wow.

Do you even have a point with trying to bring Money up? Nobody claims he wasn't a shitbag and anything useful and not fraudulent about his research, what little there was, has already been replicated by other people.

Columbus was a fucking pioneer. The term hardly means someone is respected or authoritative on jack shit.

More to the point, Money's views were, at this point, more in line with yours than those you denigrate. Why are you in agreement with a noted fraudster and pedophile?

>>1394000
>Do you even have a point with trying to bring Money up?
Here's an "expert" in this field.
>Nobody claims he wasn't a shitbag
I just posted an MSNBC article praising his works - only for you to go all no true scotsman. lol
>Columbus was a fucking pioneer.
So was Money apparently.
>More to the point, Money's views were, at this point, more in line with yours
Yeah I don't molest children and refer to boys as girls. That's more of a (You) issue.

>>1393616
No such thing as a trans kid. It like having a vegan dog. We all know who's making the decisions.

>>1394002
The only reason you would think this is if you don't think trans people exist at all. Next you'll tell me there's no such thing as a depressed kid either.

>>1394001
>Here's an "expert" in this field.
in the fucking mid 1900s. Colombus was an "expert" on the "Indies" in the fucking late 1400s.

>I just posted an MSNBC article praising his works
It doesn't actually. Also the article uses the term hermaphrodite for intersex which isn't even fucking modern parlance. FFS are you allergic to modern science or something?
>only for you to go all no true scotsman
No True Scotsman isn't a formal fallacy. It's an argument of semantics. If all you have is that I'm being mean to you because you're using archaic bullshit to make some inane point, cry moar.

>So was Money apparently.
Didn't say he wasn't

>Yeah I don't molest children and refer to boys as girls. That's more of a (You) issue.
Somehow I doubt that. Pedocon theory and all that. Also your side is the one constantly pushing for genital inspections and thinking every girl with even the slightest of prominent jaw lines must have a dick. Hands off kids' genitals, pedo.

>>1394003
>The only reason you would think this is if you don't think trans people exist at all.
NTA, they don't. There are only men and women - not fifty shades of gender. Chop whatever you want off, you're still a man wearing a dress.
>inb4 NUH UHHHHHH!!!! MODS!!!!

>Next you'll tell me there's no such thing as a depressed kid either.
The same depressed kids you prey upon and manipulate into transitioning, with the false promise this will make their lives better - as we clearly see the suicide rates going up?

>>1394008
Annnd you've proven me right. Thanks for playing and showing you don't want to acknowledge reality.

>>1394005
>in the fucking mid 1900s.
So not that long ago.

>It doesn't actually.
>a psychologist and sex researcher who coined the terms “gender identity” and “gender role” and was a pioneer in studies of sexual identity
LMAO

>Also the article uses the term hermaphrodite for intersex which isn't even fucking modern parlance. FFS are you allergic to modern science or something?
Bitch I didn't write the fucking article. Take that up with MSNBC... y'know the far-left media company most likely to support trans shit in children.

>No True Scotsman isn't a formal fallacy. It's an argument of semantics.
Like the "splitting hairs" you're doing now? You clearly got my meaning that I provided an expert in this field... some call him a pioneer even... and you want to cry "WAAAAHHH THAT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE IT HURTS MY ARGUMENT!"

>Didn't say he wasn't
At least you acknowledge that.

>Somehow I doubt that. Pedocon theory and all that.
And what's that theory? I'm not a trans-supporting child-rapist like you so I don't know all the meme terms.

>Also your side is the one constantly pushing for genital inspections
Because your side keeps trying to force men into women's locker rooms and bathrooms. Maybe these extremists wouldn't have any pull if child-rapists like you weren't constantly pushing your agenda on kids.

>>1394010
>Annnd you've proven me right.
lol okay faggot. Sorry I don't follow your make-believe bullshit.
>Thanks for playing and showing you don't want to acknowledge reality.
Yeah I'm sure there's a bunch of "experts" you're dying to quote... kinda like every one of these kids is dying for following the advice of these same "experts".

>>1393683
>Breast reduction is reversible via implants
You're retarded. The breasts are complex organs, not just bags of fat tissue. Removing them also reduces the skin available to cover the implants. Also implants have to be changed every 10 years or so, it's a lifetime problem that could be avoided by not removing a complex and important part of the woman's body

>>1394014
>So not that long ago.
Have you ever heard the saying that it's better to shut up than talk like an idiot?

>>1394019
>a complex and important part of the woman's body
Both sexes have breasts and they aren't particularly complex or important.

>>1394022
Have you ever heard the saying leave them kids alone?
>one or two generations is an eternity ago when pioneering an ideology that gets away with killing children

>>1393683
>there are 100x more boys who think they're girls (and girls who think they're boys) than there were a couple decades ago
>but this has nothing at all to do with the fact that we keep telling children that boys can be girls and girls can be boys!
lol kys, it's obviously brainwashing.


>>1393608
>>1393644
>>1393646
>kids are being brainwashed by crazy parents
a scary statistic is that mothers with BPD are 9x more likely to have trans-children.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2016237/
>Fifty-three percent of the mothers of boys with GID compared with only 6% of controls met the diagnosis for Borderline Personality Disorder on the Diagnostic Interview for Borderlines or had symptoms of depression on the Beck Depression Inventory. Results of the Summers and Walsh Symbiosis Scale suggested that mothers of probands had child-rearing attitudes and practices that encouraged symbiosis and discouraged the development of autonomy

mothers who are literally crazy are making their kids trans

>>1394023
>Both sexes have breasts and they aren't particularly complex or important.
nta
I'm just here to say that trans activists are the dumbest people on the fucking planet and don't know shit about how women's bodies work.

>>1394041
>don't know shit about how women's bodies work
Again, most breast reductions are for cis men.

I assume you're against that shit too since it's unnatural?

>>1394041
This

>>1394027
>Have you ever heard the saying leave them kids alone?
Yes. Why don't you? Policing what medical treatments kids can and can't get access to is shown to increase suicides.

>one or two generations is an eternity ago
Literally yes. FFS the article about the dude's death didn't even fucking use modern medical jargon. If you're doing the intersex equivalent of calling TB consumption, your shit's too old.

>>1394042
Men don't use them to breastfeed. This is another example of what >>1394041 pointed out

>>1394044
>Policing what medical treatments kids can and can't get access to is shown to increase suicides.
>just ignore the increase in suicides for children undergoing this """treatment"""
>just ignore the even far worse increase in suicides for those who transition - that you fucking lied about earlier
I would if predators like you weren't after them so much.

>Literally yes.
Okay faggot. I'm not even going to bother arguing semantics with you. The fact that this study was pioneered by this guy has led to people in authority pushing this harmful nonsense onto children. Those "experts" you mentioned.

Oh! By the way, since you took an issue with Appeal to Nature fallacy earlier, what's the name for that again? Appeal to Authority?

>>1394045
Yeah I'm not bothering getting in a debate. Trans activists seriously think that men having breast tissue is the same as the breasts in women. They also think that women who had to get their uteruses removed are the same as tranny's getting vaginoplasties. All in all, I feel sorry for the real women in their lives.

>>1394060
nta, but no one really cares about your retarded opinions
Trump literally took away your gender.
You're nothing.

>>1394066
>Trump literally took away your gender
Lol maybe for troons he did. I've always been and always will be a male

>>1394003
You are correct. Trans people don't exist. It's literally all in your head.

>>1394046
>just ignore the increase in suicides for children undergoing this """treatment"""
This doesn't exist.
>just ignore the even far worse increase in suicides for those who transition - that you fucking lied about earlier
Also doesn't exist.

Trans people have higher suicide rates whether or not they transition. Transitioning itself is not shown to increase suicidality. And what increased rate of suicide there is for being trans is observed as being directly related to discrimination faced by trans individuals.

Also not letting someone transition doesn't stop them from being trans, dumbfuck. I get it, you really REALLY want kids to kill themselves. Tough shit.

I'm very angry that trans people exist.

>>1394102
>This doesn't exist.
Wrong.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7011156/
>Emerging evidence indicates transgender adolescents (TGAs) exhibit elevated rates of suicidal ideation and attempt compared with cisgender adolescents (CGAs).

>Also doesn't exist.
Wrong.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-study-finds-12-fold-higher-risk-of-suicide-attempt-for-adult-transgender-patients/ar-BB1mAhZL
>A new study found a significantly higher risk of suicide attempts, self-harm, and PTSD for individuals who have undergone gender transition surgeries.

>Trans people have higher suicide rates whether or not they transition.
1) wrong. See msn link
and
2) fully transitioned or not, they still have a higher risk of suicide than "cisgendered" normal humans (something you will never be).

>Also not letting someone transition doesn't stop them from being trans, dumbfuck.
Didn't say it did, dumbfuck.

>I get it, you really REALLY want kids to kill themselves.
Says the guy forcing a lifestyle that greatly increases the chances a kid will kill themselves - whether they transition or not - compared to a normal child that is fortunate enough to avoid having someone like you groom them for failure.

>>1394107
When are you going to learn to cope?

>>1394091
you're the gender you are at conception, as Trump decreed.
You weren't a man at conception.
Sorry fag, maybe the next Democrat will restore your manhood if you ask nicely

>>1394107
>compared with cisgender adolescents
Like I said, doesn't exist. Study doesn't claim treating trans kids increases suicide risk, but that trans kids have an increased rate of suicide, a thing I FUCKING SAID.
>Trans people have higher suicide rates whether or not they transition

>than those who did not
Like I said, doesn't exist. Study isn't comparing trans people that have and have not undergone gender affirming surgery. It's comparing people that have undergone gender affirming surgery vs the general population.

>See msn link
I saw the msn link. It literally doesn't contradict what I said.

>fully transitioned or not, they still have a higher risk of suicide than "cisgendered" normal humans (something you will never be).
Nothing about you is normal. ALso I fucking said that. Also you're torpedoing your own fucking argument, you fucking idiot.

Also, as previously mentioned in this thread, that increase in suicidality is directly caused by persecution, ie that thing you're doing. So quit bitching about it as if you aren't part of the cause. And stop pretending you give 2 shits about dead trans people.

>Didn't say it did, dumbfuck.
So, to be clear, you're just arguing trans people should be persecuted for no reason?

>Says the guy forcing a lifestyle that greatly increases the chances a kid will kill themselves
Motherfucker you just fucking said they'll be trans whether or not they transition. Can you keep a coherent thought in your head for 5 fucking seconds? Nobody is being forced into jack shit.

It's all so tiring.

>>1394122
>Like I said, doesn't exist. Study doesn't claim treating trans kids increases suicide risk, but that trans kids have an increased rate of suicide, a thing I FUCKING SAID.
Okay lets follow the logic, you fucking monkey, because I don't think we're understanding each other.

Here's a normal child, right here <----
... You want to indoctrinate this child in trans-faggot-shit and fill his mind with the idea that this boy is actually a girl before he's even in kindergarten.

This increases the odds that he will kill himself (as my link showed). I'm just going to pull a random fucking number for the sake of argument and say he's 3 times more likely to off himself. I don't know if that's the exact number, but we're running through this exercise for simplicity sake.

Tracking so far?

Now you have this trans kid that is MORE - not less - MORE likely to kill himself than a normal child. So far so good?

If you transition this child, having him/her/it go through this gauntlet of irreversible procedures that will fuck him up for life, he then becomes EVEN MORE likely to kill himself - lets say it's now five times more likely.

Either way your method leads to an increased chance of suicide... So why in the name of Christ would anyone want to push this on children? Other than to be a despicable fuck like you are.
>in before ban

Now is that simple enough for you to understand, or do you still want to argue semantics over the obvious?

>Also, as previously mentioned in this thread, that increase in suicidality is directly caused by persecution
Oh shut the fuck up. States like California have become sanctuaries to this kind of behavior, with strict discrimination laws, and they STILL off themselves. So obviously that tolerant society isn't having much of an impact on their decision to hang.

>So, to be clear, you're just arguing trans people should be persecuted for no reason?
Not letting you fuck up kids is not persecution.

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>>1394122
>Nobody is being forced into jack shit.
Yeah ignore that link I gave earlier of the five year old being groomed by his psychopath of a mother, who then escaped to California where he can be raised in the state most accepting of that shit. Now watch, in spite of living in such a tolerant, progressive, rainbow LGBTQ+ accepting society, that kid will likely kill himself before he turns 30. All because of people like you. So don't fucking lecture me about murdering kids when I'm trying to save them from grooming pedophiles like you who just want to push an agenda over their dead bodies.

>It's all so tiring.
No shit. And if you don't like it then fuck off and hang yourself. Or go cry to the mod again like the little faggot you are because you can't handle anyone calling out your bullshit.

>>1394125
>You want to indoctrinate this child in trans-faggot-shit
Why are you always pushing Money tier nonsense? What is with you pedos? You can't make someone trans.

>>1394127
You sound mentally ill. Try not to self-harm. Wouldn't want you to miss out on dying slowly and alone.

>>1394128
>You can't make someone trans.
>trans-faggot-shit starts getting pushed in schools
>gender dysphoria in children increases three-fold in less than five years
Yeah apparently it's not that hard to manipulate a child and make them think they're something that they're not.

>>1394129
Well lucky me I'm not a trans-faggot like you and nobody pushed that shit on me before I could count to ten... so my odds of surviving are far better than your victims.

>>1394131
>Well lucky me I'm not a trans-faggot
Nah, if you were, you might actually be getting the help you need. Sadly they don't have a treatment for what the fuck is wrong with you.

>>1394137
>Nah, if you were, you might actually be getting the help you need.
Is that what you tell the kids you sabotage for life?

I've never understood appeals court
Constantly appealing to reverse a ruling implies there isn't confidence in the representatives who made the initial ruling which then why would the ruling of another representative not be scrutinized the same?

>>1394137
Bumping for relevance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he6xxSxfI3w