“What Senate Dems who voted for this horseshit deal did was f— over all the hard work people put in to Tuesday’s elections,” Rep. Mark Pocan (D-Wis.), a former head of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, posted on the social platform X. “Healthcare matters. Not platitudes.”

The Hill’s Al Weaver reports how the blowback Schumer is receiving renews questions about his future as leader of Senate Democrats.

Although Schumer blasted the measure and voted against it, his critics are blaming him for not keeping his caucus in line and allowing eight of his members to vote for the proposal without a provision to extend the ObamaCare subsidies, which are set to expire at the end of the year.

Schumer previously prompted liberal fury in March after he broke with most of the party to support a Republican-crafted continuing resolution composed without Democratic input. This time, the New York Democrat did support his colleagues standing their ground and rallying around the expiring subsidies, but progressives have voiced continued distrust.

Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.) called on Senate Democrats to replace Schumer as leader, arguing that he can’t meet the moment.

“Senator Schumer is no longer effective and should be replaced. If you can’t lead the fight to stop healthcare premiums from skyrocketing for Americans, what will you fight for?” Khanna wrote on X.

The eight Senate Democrats who voted to advance the measure have defended the move, arguing Republicans were not budging in their demands that the government reopen before discussing a vote on health care subsidies.

The lawmakers also grew increasingly concerned about the impact on air travel from absences and staff shortages after air traffic controllers worked 40 days without paychecks. Thousands of flights have been canceled or delayed in recent days, and disruptions have been expected to get worse heading toward Thanksgiving.

The lawmakers also grew increasingly concerned about the impact on air travel from absences and staff shortages after air traffic controllers worked 40 days without paychecks. Thousands of flights have been canceled or delayed in recent days, and disruptions have been expected to get worse heading toward Thanksgiving.

“When these controllers are keeping airplanes safe in the air, I don’t want them worried about the paychecks and problems that they have at home,” Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) said, explaining his vote.

While most Democrats have criticized the bill, centrist Democratic Reps. Henry Cuellar (Texas) and Jared Golden (Maine) are two who have signaled they plan to support the measure, giving Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) some breathing room to advance it in the House.

“It’s too bad it was closed, but we’re going to be opening up our country very quickly,” Trump told reporters at the White House on Monday.

>>1456688
So, why did Democrats shut down the government?
Fucking losers.

>>1456695
You'll realize in about 2 and a half months when millions of people get priced out of health insurance.

>>1456688
>Sudiksha Kochi
Man, I think I want to meet her.
Ro Kahna is disgusting and some kind of beast, just like Chuck Schumer.
India-jew-black alliance controlling the Dems. At least there's some American humans still in the party.

>>1456696
No they won't. Quit fearmongering, tardo.

>>1456696
Oh no, they can't leach off my taxes anymore! What a shame!

>>1456700
>my
esl shill, nobody thinks you're white or american

>>1456698
>Rates set to double
>"Nah they'll be fine."
See you in the subsequent "Well I'm fine with people dying because I won't be won of them" post. >>1456700 is already there.

>>1456701
Cry harder faggot. Your masters folded like cards. Better luck next time.

>>1456702
Please explain why my rates are going to double.

>>1456703
that's cute but you're still a self hating shill with a humiliating fake job

>>1456704
and there it is, right on schedule.

The irony is it probably will also spike your health insurance because demand will go up, just not as much.

>>1456704
Well, I'd need a bunch of info to verify your statement.
But if your rates are doubling you probably make more money than the APTC requirements for the pre-COVID marketplace pricing. Additionally, the insurance companies need to ensure YOY, so they're likely raising prices.

>>1456706
>your rates will double!
>How?
>uhhhhh
That's what I though. Fuck off. I love how the left keeps screaming about how bad the country is going to get and how Trump is going to make everything worse for me, when he consistently makes everything better. I got what I voted for. You can cope and seethe to death.

>>1456708
you can't vote

>>1456695
Because they have to give billions to their corporate slush tunds

>>1456708
>Well I'm fine with people dying because I won't be one of them
Like clockwork.

Also hows your grocery bill?

>>1456702
>What is we pay insurance companies to lower the rates
>Give them gorillions and they still don't lower rate
>They raise rates when you stop giving them money though
Welcome to the Democrat zone

>>1456713
Objective reality is rates will be doubling for millions of Americans because Republicans hate the poor. Literally forcing others worse off than them to make sacrifices in their place.

>>1456712
>whataboutisms to something else when he gets called out for making up bullshit
Let me know when you figure out how my insurance rates are going to double. I'll wait.

>>1456714
Nah, if they hated the poor they'd kill medicaid.
ACA is a higher bracket.

>>1456715
Never said your insurance was going to double. Just for millions of Americans. Doesn't have to include you, but most people also aren't psychopaths who don't care when millions of people have to suffer and die when it could be entirely preventable.

>>1456715
OK, what state do you live in and what's your expected yearly income?

>>1456717
>Never said your insurance was going to double. Just for millions of Americans
The median rate increases to premium is expected to be 18% not 100%

>>1456719
>https://www.cbpp.org/research/health/health-insurance-premium-spikes-imminent-as-tax-credit-enhancements-set-to-expire
Might wanna double check that figure, shill.

>>1456720
>allowing people with incomes between 100 and 150 percent of the poverty level (roughly $16,000 to $23,000 for an individual) to pay $0 in premiums for “benchmark” silver-level plans
False and ignored. People making 16 to 23k will not be eligible for ACA tax credits because they're eligible for Medicaid.
140% to 400% FPL is eligible for APTCs.

>>1456717
Okay cool. So it's not going to double and millions of Americans won't be getting free shit anymore. Win win.

>>1456720
https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/federal-poverty-level-fpl/

>>1456720
Weird how they have a totally different figure than these people
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/how-much-and-why-aca-marketplace-premiums-are-going-up-in-2026

>>1456721
this makes sense

>>1456724
>>1456723
>>1456725
>>1456721
Oh yeah here it goes right here.
The aca tax credits were for people making over $100k yearly
https://www.kff.org/affordable-care-act/inflation-reduction-act-health-insurance-subsidies-what-is-their-impact-and-what-would-happen-if-they-expire/

>>1456719
My health insurance went from $125 a month to $389. They’re going up way more than 100%

>>1456722
>And we're back to "I don't care, it doesn't affect ME"

>>1456725
Indeed. As there's various requirements to be eligible for ACA and PTCs.
1. You must not be offered other insurance through your employer or it must not meet the ACA standards or it must be deemed unaffordable.
2. You must not be eligible for Medicaid
3. You must be at 100-138% of the FPL up to 400%
So, there's a few demographics that will be impacted.
Self-employer people including landlords and investors.
And people who somehow don't have a full time job but make too much money to be eligible for Medicaid.

>>1456727
Post your state, plan name and income please.

>>1456728
Damn right. Enjoy the rest of this term, buddy.

>>1456733
well, no, you were proven wrong and pivoted to being childish

>>1456734
>well, no, you were proven wrong
So we're back to my rates are going to double?

>>1456735
Gonna need some proof of this claim.

>>1456737
Me too.

>>1456688
They gave me a month off AND I get paid for it, god I hope they do it again come January. Please!

>>1456696
Actual Americans work without health insurance. Foreigners on the other hand get the rope.

>>1456733
Very cool. Now face the wall.

>>1456740
>Actual Americans work without health insurance
>Us REAL Americans work until we get SICK and DIE from PREVENTABLE CAUSES because WE CAN'T AFFORD TREATMENT

>>1456741
I'd like to see you try and make me, leftist.

>>1456743
The people you're screwing over outnumber you.

>>1456743
>Ha, stupid leftists, you're so weak you could never threaten me
>OH MY GOD THEY SHOT CHARLIE OMG TERRORISTS, TERRORISTS, SAVE ME DONALD TRUMP
I love it when you retards simultaneously pretend your invincible and then freak the fuck out and demand martial law the moment anyone on the left actually does the shit you mock them as never being able to do

>>1456744
And my bullets outnumber them.

>>1456745
Congratulations, you shot and killed an unarmed speaker at a college campus. You animals are great at taking out people not carrying, like that faggot Reinoehl stalking and murdering a Trump supporter, yet you lost two of your own and a third wounded trying to kill a scared 17 year old that was running away.

And you think you'll fair better against someone armed all the time waiting for the opportunity to cut a leftist into little tiny pieces? Good luck, you'll need it.

>>1456746
>I'm so cool and badass
Yeah I'm sure. Meanwhile reality is Trump gets voted out by the masses he screwed over, you get so pissed you try to shoot up a local mosque or supermarket, then either police or ironically another armed citizen blows your head off.

>>1456747
>Ha, we shot Charlie Kirk from a rooftop when he wasn't expecting it. We're so badass
>OH MY GOD DANIEL PERRY SHOT A GUY WHO WAS JUST POINTING AN AK-47 AT HIM HE CAN'T DO THAT
I love it when you retards simultaneously pretend your invincible and then freak the fuck out and demand martial law the moment anyone on the right actually does the shit you mock them as never being able to do

lel Democrats folded like a lawn chair.
I can't wait until the extreme wing of the Democrat party stats trying to snipe them.

>>1456731
I made it up

>>1456730
Good rundown thanks

>>1456747
>Trump gets voted out by the masses he screwed over,
Voted out in what election lmao, what are you talking about, foreigner

>>1456749
The irony is had any of the protestors shot Perry in response they would've been 100% legally justified. But hey, you decided to legitimize political violence by pardoning him. Between that and 1/6 pardons any pretense of civility is gone, except you are outnumbered both in the field and in the voting booth.

>>1456754
>But hey, you decided to legitimize political violence by pardoning him
He was pardoned following a unanimous recommendation from the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles, which conducted an extensive review of the case, including trial testimony, police reports, and court records

>>1456755
lmao no he wasn't. Abbott literally told them to give him permission to pardon, and he also is the one who appoints the leadership of the board. They didn't review shit.

>>1456731
>>1456751
This blatant samefaggotry must end.

>>1456754
>The irony is had any of the protestors shot Perry in response they would've been 100% legally justified.
But that would require them having a pair of balls. Again, anytime you go up against a right-winger that can defend himself you people die. You're only good at taking out unarmed, unsuspecting humans.

>>1456688
>Democrats are furious after folding like a lawn chair
You mean just 8 of them?

>shill melting down this hard after dems cave
lmao, even their handlers don't think its good for republicunts

>>1456771
And what did Republicans lose to get dems to shut down the shut down?

Chucky caved for me, because I wanted to remortgage my house and I was laid off for my government job

It's almost annual enrollment season for most, so we'll all see what this is going to do to our rates. Well, not the underpaid foreign shills. They'll have to go ask their client liason to explain what I mean.

>>1456770
8 new targets for Democrat extremists to snipe.

>>1456775
Mine went up $30/mo and I have a low deductible premium health care plan. Individual.

>>1456775
Most online activists just repeat Twitter misinformation. They literally don't care about accuracy as long as they get paid.

>>1456775
Mine tripled. I only make 60k/year

>>1456775
The irony of your post being that you dont understand insurance which suggests youre a shill.
>spoiler: like 94% of insured will be completely unaffected because we're not buying under the ACA

>>1456794
Assuming your bullshit statistics are true for a moment, why would you want that 6% (millions of people) kicked off health insurance clogging up emergency rooms?

>>1456704
Because insurance companies aren't going to accept making less money than last year, when all the people who are priced out go uninsured. They're going to raise your rates to make up the slack.

>>1456788
Zip, Income, and Plan name please.

>>1456788
Also last name, age, sex, address, and relatives.

>>1456805
Nah, number of dependents would be it.
But no one wants these claims reviewed?
These are "true" claims so it shouldn't be a problem if they're looked into.

At least everyone is finally admitting that the shutdown was caused entirely by the GOP. It always was, but 90% of the threads here blamed Democrats.

>>1456812
>democrats blame Republicans for shutdown
>... yet they're mad at democrats for ending the shutdown

>>1456749
wasn't from the rooftop. CK was most likely shot with a subsonic, low-caliber round from the back right. The official story is not only improbable, but impossible.

Leading theories have the shooter near the stairs leading to the 3rd floor, or placed in the crowd. we won't know without the official autopsy, or the release of additional camera angles.

I'm most curious about the "TPUSA" video camera behind and above him. Allegedly, Candace Owens has seen the footage, but I think she's lying about it to have relevance (as she often does with her frequent claims of "exclusive" insight.)

>>1456813
Democrat radicals are cognitively dissonant. The ones cheering on the shutdown are not mentally well, it's only natural they would blame Republicans for the shutting down the government and then blame democrats for opening it back up
It's not about consistency in their arguments, it's about political shit flinging and confirmation bias

>>1456814
Oh wow, another leftist conspiracy theory! what a totally unexpected turn of events nobody could ever have predicted.

>>1456814
>>1456816
>desperate samefagging

>>1456818
Retard. Don't post retarded conspiracy theories and act retarded when someone calls you a retard.

>>1456814
And I'm sure you have a valid source that backs this up, right?

Democrats are pleased after what's happened
Republicans are furious at losing several elections, thus are folding like lawn chairs
Said red lawn chairs will be destroyed in the Midterm Massacre next year

>>1456823
Democrats shutdown the government for over a month, didn't get shit, and now major media outlets and personalities, even jon Stewart, are dropping all pretense that it was anyone other than the Democrats shutting down the government and furthermore are admitting nothing positive came out of The Democrat Shutdown of '25

>>1456826
>Democrats shutdown the government
You don't seem to know how government works. Republicans could have reopened it at any time. Republicans control everything.

>>1456830
they're describing something that isn't happening
of course they have a tenuous grasp on reality

>>1456799
>why would you want that 6% (millions of people) kicked off health insurance clogging up emergency rooms?
Who are these people who are just 24/7 seeking medical care?

>>1456830
>Republicans could have reopened it at any time
Filibuster.

>>1456833
>Just don't get sick bro
>Just tough it out if you break your arm
lmao

>>1456830
>Why didn't the Republicans just go full nuclear and change the rules in the Senate to end the Democrat Shutdown, it's actually their fault the Democrats were even allowed to shutdown the government
Shut up retard

>>1456836
that was trump's suggestion out of his own mouth. thanks for admitting he's a retard i guess

>>1456837
He is a retard. Both of you should be friends with each other.
:)

>>1456836
>Stop pointing out GOP hypocrisy
No.

>>1456826
So Trump had a yuge landslide, thus the Democrats couldn't do a single thing? Republicans won NYC, New Jersey, Virginia & California, and it'll be a red steamroller in the midterms next year?

>>1456836
MAGAtard nerve status: Touched

>>1456839
The only hypocrisy here is Democrats trying to play chicken with federal funding and then when things were going their way throwing six of their own under the bus because they weren't up for re election

>>1456842
>>1456839
Imagine how angry a retard like you would be if they actually did what you are saying they should have done

You'd be marching around your trailer park all night having an epic lefty melty

>>1456826
>Democrats shutdown the government for over a month, didn't get shit
>in just days, Democrats won elections
>didn't get shit
That is but a small price to pay, compared to the wins they have now. And will continue in the midterms. What has happened will be nothing compared to what'll happen to Trump in the coming year, thus your orange god will become nothing.
>what happened at the Detroit Lions vs Washington Commanders game
Last time I heard, white, red-blooded Republican voters only booed Democrats.
So unless Trump is now a RINO and is actually a Democrat, what happened at that game only proves that it's more than impossible for Democrats to be 'hypocrites', no matter how MAGAt cultists in /news/ try to spin it.

A MAGAt retard having an apocalyptic righty melty while in the autistic screeching pose in its trailer park, showing that it can only project due to rightard hypocrisy being exposed.
Cultist nerve status: Touched.

>>1456837
>>1456839
>>1456842
So even though Democrats literally shut down the government its a Republican shutdown because they didnt nuke the filibuster?

>>1456852
>we shut down the government and caused untold harm to millions of federal workers, the military and SNAP recipients
>but we won some local elections so it was worth it
You're fucking scum.

>>1456859
you're not american

>no, you Democrats are the harm-causing hypocrites!
And yet, red-blooded white Americans booed Trump at a football game. Gee, I wonder why?

>>1456852
Imagine admitting it was done to win an election.
Wow. Scum bums.

>>1456861
>gets btfo
>y... you're not American
Every. Single. Time.

Those red-blooded white Republican-voting Americans booing Trump must be 'scum bums' then.

>>1456859
>>1456864
>gets BTFO
>rightard reduced to projection
Every. Single. Time.

>>1456866
>>1456862
>people in DC
>the bluest part of the country
>dont like Trump
Wow.

>>1456868
>n... no u
Why bother? What do you get out of this?

>>1456866
as >>1456869 is implying. You thinking Trump getting booed at a Commanders game is a big deal means you're either (1) not American or (2) so totally Reddit that your opinion doesn't matter.

If he gets booed at a Cowboys, Saints, Falcons, Panthers, Chiefs, Bears, Colts, Broncos, or even Steelers game that would be news.

>>1456869
>Football: a sport for red-blooded Republican voters
>Republicans booing Trump
Color me unsurprised. But a cultist is.
>not knowing about how Football is a sport watched by mainly red-blooded white Americans
Cultist status: not American
>>1456870
>reduced to projection
>I must 'own the libs'!
That's all you get out of this. And failing.

>>1456872
you're really just going to suck his dick no matter what happens huh. pathetic

>implying
That's all you're reduced to, >>1456872
And you cannot spell 'Implying' without the word Lying.

>>1456874
>>Football: a sport for red-blooded Republican voters
>Commanders Fans
>red-blooded Americans

>>1456876
No, I've never voted for him. Like, yeah, people from Maryland and Northern Virginia are going to boo a Republican president. Obviously. If he went to a 49er's game, there would be a fucking riot. It would be newsworthy if he went to a Cowboys (Texas) or Chiefs (Missouri) game and got booed.

>>1456877
Why do you do this? You never add anything to the discussion. You just spazz the fuck out. Its cool though, I can go back to ignoring you if you're not going to be real.

>>1456881
What discussion? This thread is a rehash of >>1456197 with a /pol/bait headline. If jannies actually cared about the board this thread wouldn't even be here.

>>1456879
>Commanders Fans
>red-blooded Americans
>>1456876
>you're really just going to suck his dick no matter what happens huh. pathetic
>>1456879
>No, I've never voted for him
Could have fooled me.

>>1456881
>needing to be in /news/
Why do you do this? Are you being paid in your attempts to 'own the libs' or do you do it for free?

Hey guys I just came back from travel, I was on a remote island for 40 days with no internet.

So what did we get from this 40 day shutdown?

>>1456887
Ask chatGPT

>>1456889
>What did we get out of the 40 day government shutdown? Was it worth it?
What was achieved / what came out of the shutdown

A funding deal that ends the shutdown (or is poised to).
The United States Senate moved on November 9 to advance legislation that would reopen much of the government and fund operations through January 30, 2026 (with a few agencies funded for full fiscal year).

This means the shutdown may serve as leverage to extract concessions in future negotiations (or at least that’s how some participants view it).

>Solomon Islands: .sb
>Tristan da Cunha: .sh
>Tristan da Cunha is the most remote island
>Bouvetøya, with a population of 0: .bv
>what is Starlink
>I was on a remote island for 40 days with no internet
Press X to doubt

>>1456890
What remains unresolved / Was it worth it?

Here are the major caveats and reasons why many analysts say the cost was high and the payoff uncertain.

High cost

The CBO estimate: between $7 billion and $14 billion in permanent GDP loss depending on how long the shutdown lasts.

The White House earlier warned losses of ~$15 billion per week if prolonged.

Many federal employees and contractors have been financially strained (missed pay, living paycheck‐to‐paycheck).

Some programs with real human impact (food security, assistance programs, park services, inspections) have been interrupted.


Unclear gains

It is not yet clear that the policy demands which triggered the shutdown (e.g., subsidy extensions under ACA) have been secured in a lasting way. The deal going through is a temporary continuing resolution to fund the government; the broader policy negotiation remains unsettled.

Thus the “leverage” is not obviously converted into concrete, durable reform yet. One could argue the forced shutdown created risk without guaranteed outcome.

The political cost: public opinion tends to blame the party seen as “holding up” funding; economic damage affects ordinary citizens and local economies disproportionately.


Broader institutional / systemic risk

Frequent use of government shutdowns as negotiation tool erodes stability and planning in federal agencies, contractors, states, localities. The unpredictability is costly.

The disruption to agencies (e.g., workforce morale, delays in data and services) may have long-term negative effects beyond the immediate budgetary losses.

It sets a precedent: if parties believe shutting down the government is a viable negotiation tactic, the threshold for future standoffs may drop.

>>1456892
My assessment: Was it worth it?

If I were to hazard a verdict (given current knowledge), I’d lean no, it likely was not worth it—at least not in terms of net positive outcome relative to cost. Here’s why:

The economic and human costs are real and immediate, while the gains (policy benefits, reforms) are tentative and uncertain.

One can argue that the same funding and negotiation could have been achieved without shutting down the government (i.e., less disruptive path).

If the goal was to force a major policy change (e.g., permanent extension of subsidies), that change is not yet secured and may still be compromised or delayed.

From a teaching/analytical perspective: it looks like an example of escalation, high risk, uncertain reward.


That said, if you’re a stakeholder in the eventual policy outcome (e.g., certain subsidies extended or legislative changes achieved), you might view the shutdown as a necessary gamble. But from the broad interest of minimizing disruption and harm, the shutdown appears to have been a costly strategy.


---

If you like, I can dig deeper into which policies the parties were pushing (and whether the shutdown shift gave one side meaningful advantage) and provide a cost-benefit table of major impacted sectors (economy, federal workforce, public services) — would that be helpful?

>>1456890
>>1456892
>The deal ensured that all furloughed federal employees would receive back pay, and reversed any shutdown-related layoffs enacted by the Trump administration.

>>1456894
>deal ensured that all furloughed federal employees would receive back pay
No, that's actually the Government Employee Fair Treatment Act of 2019

>>1456895
https://federalnewsnetwork.com/congress/2025/11/tentative-senate-deal-reaffirms-back-pay-reverses-rifs-for-federal-employees/
The Senate’s initial agreement toward ending the longest-ever government shutdown includes provisions that would secure back pay for all federal employees, as well as reverse the Trump administration’s recent reductions in force.

Though much is still up in the air and subject to possible changes, the early steps in the process indicate that, if the Senate bill’s current language is maintained, both excepted and furloughed federal employees would receive back pay dating to Oct. 1, the day the shutdown began.

Federal employees, regardless of whether they are furloughed or excepted, have always received back pay following every past shutdown, due to one-time actions from Congress. It wasn’t until 2019 that Congress passed — and President Donald Trump signed — a law meant to ensure federal employees are compensated retroactively for all shutdowns going forward.

Questions over back pay arose once again, however, after the Office of Management and Budget released a draft legal opinion in October, suggesting that furloughed employees are not automatically ensured back pay after all.

Many lawmakers, attorneys and unions harshly criticized the White House’s opinion, calling it a clear misinterpretation of the 2019 Government Employees Fair Treatment Act.

>>1456894
If the government shutdown achieved deal protecting furloughed government workers from the effect of the government shutdown, then the shutdown accomplished nothing at all, lmao! Everyone would have been better off without it hahaha

>>1456896
>The Senate’s initial agreement toward ending the longest-ever government shutdown includes provisions that would secure back pay for all federal employees, as well as reverse the Trump administration’s recent reductions in force
So the entire shutdown achieved the effect of cutting a deal that makes it for federal workers as if there were no shutdown?
Lmao what a fat fucking waste of time

>>1456689
>>1456688
WOW
ITS LIKE VOTING

DOES

LE NOTHING

OH MY FAUCI IMMA VOOOOOTE WE'RE GONNA VOTE OUR WAY OUT OF SYSTEMIC CORRUPTION ANY DAY NOW GUYS

>>1456901
>So the entire shutdown achieved the effect of cutting a deal that makes it for federal workers as if there were no shutdown?
The end result is it gave republicans literally everything they wanted. Look at it from their POV, if they passed it and agreed to the Democrat's budget stipulations, Federal workers would get paid and the Dems would get anything they wanted. If they threw this fit that has lasted two months then.. Federal workers get paid and Dems get nothing. If you're remotely good at politics, which one would you pick?

>muh 'lections
Who cares? Public opinion has the memory of a gold fish.

>>1456900
>>1456901
It reversed the Project2025 guy's firing of thousands of workers. If nothing else there's that.

>>1456936
>it accomplished nothing but it did manage to undo some of the things that happened during the shutdown
Okay. Btw, I'm 90% sure it only re-instates them and gives them protection until Jan 1. If Trump and the 2025 guy wanted to they could nuke all the jobs then. Obviously, its harder to justify outside of a shutdown but if they really wanted to go full retard they could sack them all in the new year.

It was really a shocking outcome for Democrats. It definitely helped with the election but I seriously doubt snagging two governors, an AG and some random seats in GA was anywhere worth it.

>>1456944
> If Trump and the 2025 guy wanted to they could nuke all the jobs then
Naaah they were only doing it under the incorrect premise that Congress couldn't/wouldn't stop them. Russ Vought was installed as OMB chairman knowing there would be a shutdown eventually during which he could take advantage of Congressional inaction to wield the budget axe.
https://kffhealthnews.org/news/article/russell-vought-trump-omb-doge-public-health-budget-shutdown/
>Vought has exerted extraordinary control over government spending this year, usurping congressional decisions on how the nation’s money is used. His push for more layoffs during the government shutdown is only the latest blow, following months of firings, canceled grants, and withheld funds.

>By cutting and freezing public health funds, in particular, the Trump administration has already begun to undercut efforts to provide medical care, outbreak response, housing assistance, and research across the U.S., according to health officials, nonprofit directors, and federal agency staffers interviewed by KFF Health News.

>>1456714
>Objective reality is rates will be doubling for millions of Americans because Republicans hate the poor.
Based. Trump is just ripping off the bandaid now. Government should not be involved in healthcare. Medicare/Medicaid/VA should be cut or privatized next. They are a gross use of tax money.

>>1456830
Republicans have no obligation to negotiate with insane leftist stances. It is on the Democrats to move off of their insane stances like illegal healthcare for illegal immigrants and join the Republicans in embracing Trump and Jesus.

>>1456970
>Republicans have no obligation to negotiate
Yes they do if they need 60 votes.
>insane leftist stances
Feeding poor people isn't as insane as you seem to think.

>>1456716
Republicans are trying to kill Medicaid

>>1456850
This

Looks like Republicans came out ahead on the deal and actually received concessions from Democrats

>The Senate-approved plan to reopen the government that would also pave the way for eight GOP senators to earn significant sums from litigation challenging the search of their phone records related to Jan. 6.

>Tucked into the GOP proposal, which eight Democratic senators also approved, the bill requires telecommunications companies to alert senators if their data has been obtained. But it also allows those whose phone records were seized as part of Special Counsel Jack Smith’s investigation to earn substantial sums from legal challenges stemming from the matter.

>>1456717
>Never said your insurance was going to double.

>>1456702
>Rates set to double

>>1457030
Good post.

Why are Democrats acting like health care was unaffordable before COVID and people were dying because of it and the COVID tax credits were the only thing keeping people alive?

>>1457030
>Part where it said "your": Not found

>>1457032
Because they have nothing and it's the only way to create a possibly effective argument.
Additionally, they don't even care if people die and are willing to even execute them in their quest for power.

>>1457034
What?

>>1457029
They also added a bit to further restrict the sale of marijuana edibles nationwide. I'm sure someone's grandma is ecstatic about that one.

>>1457049
Wow democrats really flopped this one then I guess. They actually lost ground by shutting down the government. Crazy how they are so bad at negotiating

>>1456712
That’s not what that post says or implies

>>1457063
He knows that. This is what the left does all the fucking time. They make outrageous end-of-the-world-tier claims, get asked for proof, and then immediately change the subject to deflect from them getting called out for lying. This thread has been up for a minute and he still can't show how my rates are going to double.

>>1456688
MAGATS are furious after Epsteins "hoax" gets brought up again KEK.

>>1457101
Brought up by whom? The same people who keep claiming that johnson travelled back in time after that dem won an election so he could shutdown Congress before she ever won?

Who cares. That's all you tards do is just keep coming up with different conspiracy theories about it

>>1457109
>I can't argue about the emails Epstein sent about Donald knowing about the girls, so I'm going to pretend this debacle at its core is about Mike Johnson refusing to swear in someone

>>1457111
>I can't argue about the emails Epstein sent about Donald knowing about the girls
The emails that say Donald was asking them to stop what they were doing to children?
Not much to argue about, just because you draw a big red box around half of a sentence doesn't mean people aren't going to read the other half of the sentence that says he was trying to convince them to stop, you retard

>>1457113
We agree that in those emails, Donald is described as asking them to stop what they're doing to kids. I'm glad that we're at the point where we can agree on that at least.

However, I think we disagree on the answer to this next point:

1. You know about a massive child exploitation ring. Should you:
A. Ask them nicely to stop
B. Call the fucking cops
C. Ask them nicely to stop while hanging out with one of the underage girls for a few hours

>>1457113
>he asked them to stop
What a weak response to finding out your associates have been organizing a pedo trafficking ring. Didn't denounce them or go to the FBI or anything. Then the sweetheart deals? There's no way to spin this to look good. The absolute best case is that he wimp wristedly asked them to stop and then did nothing else about it. Didn't even let the book be thrown at them after they got caught.

>>1457119
At this point, the most plausible explanation is Donald was only asking Epstein to stop was to reduce competition. The victim named here was the daughter of a maralago employee. How did she get into Epstein's orbit if not via Donald?

>>1457113
Epstein's victims were interviewed. Only one them saw Donald Trump, and according to her own testimony, he did nothing to her.
If the Russian collusion hoax didn't manage to convince you that the dems are trying their hardest to fabricate evidence against DJT, then I can only assume you're not sentient.

>>1457122
Oops, meant for >>1457101

>>1457060
>Republicans refused to negotiate
>"Democrats are so bad at negotiating"
lmao

>>1457122
Which is why they're so desperate to keep more files from emerging I'm sure.

Don't worry, I'm sure the emails about Donald knowing about the girls are fake, just like how the letter he sent to Epstein was fake. In two weeks, every American will be convinced that not only is Donald innocent, but that he didn't even know the guy (that photo will be revealed as a forgery).

>>1457122
>Epstein's victims were interviewed. Only one them saw Donald Trump, and according to her own testimony, he did nothing to her
These "people" don't care about facts tho. They are drunk on conspiracy theories and high on copium. Facts don't matter to progressives.

>>1457125
Democrats lost a lot of ground by shutting down the government and got literally nothing they were asking for.

I mean the closest thing they got was a concession that federal workers impacted by the Democrat shut down would be made whole again as if there were no Democrats shut down.

The whole thing was a blunder and a waste of everyone's time

>>1457122
What hoax? Rubio's report said it wasn't a hoax.

>>1457122
>Only one them saw Donald Trump, and according to her own testimony, he did nothing to her.
Well let's ask her again- oh wait, she mysteriously "committed suicide" earlier this year.

And I'm sure Epstein referring to Trump as a dog who hasn't barked means nothing. Or the deal he made with Maxwell that got her moved to a luxury prison.

>>1457131
The Republicans shut down the government. They control the government. They could have reopened it at any time by ending the filibuster.

>>1457133
>Well let's ask her again- oh wait, she mysteriously "committed suicide" earlier this year.
It's really unhealthy to use a conspiracy theory as an excuse for every instance you encounter of reality contradicting your personal expectations.

Did she commit suicide before or after her and everyone else said Donald Trump was not involved in this? Oh wait, that's right. She committed suicide afterwards. After being told by her doctors she had just a few months to live because her liver was failing.

>>1457130
Your "alternative facts" aren't real.

>>1457135
Reminder she literally put out a post in the months beforehand that she would not kill herself.

Oh, and if Trump isn't involved in this, why block the files this hard? He's acting really guilty for someone who's innocent. Not to mention the fact the same emails allege he was fully aware of everything going on and HADN'T flipped yet.

>>1457133
That was taken out of context and/or the emails are fakes and/or really it's just proof that the Clintons are at fault (Hillary's deleted emails must have been about Epstein)

>>1457135
>>1457122
Reminder the only source the victim in question was Giuffre is the white house, and the confirmed real email actually contradicts her own testimony in that case.

It's kinda a perfect lie. No way to fact check with a dead woman while the files are still sealed.

>>1457139
You don't need to reply to your own retarded post doubling down on your own retardation

>>1457138
>Reminder she literally put out a post in the months beforehand that she would not kill herself
The 5 years and 6 months beforehand? Which is... *does math*... 66 months before she killed herself following a terminal diagnosis from a doctor, she stated on social media in 2019 she would never kill herself

Lmao. Why are facts so hard for you people? You constantly have to misrepresent truth or gaslight or misrepsent your claims.

Honestly, all you people have now are conspiracy theories backed by other conspiracy theories backed by misrepresentations of fact or falsehood.

You should reevaluate your life choices, or at the very least, be honest in discussion

>>1457143
>bro it's just a conspiracy theory
I'm really disappointed in your weak damage control game. You've got to do better than this.

>>1457143
Here's her dad alleging foul play and suspicious circumstances.
>https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/virginia-giuffre-father-death-cause-b2743303.html

You'll ignore this.

>>1457145
>>1457144
You have a conspiracy theory. And citing a conspiracy theorist who was not apart of it is still a conspiracy theory

>>1457148
>And citing a conspiracy theorist who was not apart of it
Her father isn't part of it?

>>1457148
>>>/x/

>>1457152
>>1457150
So you think her terminal diagnosis like a couple weeks prior had nothing at all to do with any of this?

Let me just understand your claim, you think a doctor told her she was going to die imminently soon because her kidney had failed, and Donald Trump got wind of this and immediately dispatched his secret jackboot crony death squad to kill her immediately?

I just want you to clarify your conspiracy theory here

>>1457153
I think it's kinda suspect she was given 4 days to live then committed suicide a month later. And then, you know, her literal fucking family saying something was up and someone got to her.

>>1457128
>Which is why they're so desperate to keep more files from emerging I'm sure.
It's because Epstein represents a national security issue which implicates not only the CIA, but also Mossad and numerous American politicians in a criminal organization of jewish racial supremacists.

The reason why we know you retards are being insincere is because people have been assassinated for talking about Epstein merely in passing, and yet you're out here trying to blow the lid on the biggest scandal since Watergate.

>>1457153
The wackiest part is where you insinuate it's just our theory instead of the facts of the case.

>>1457154
>think it's kinda suspect she was given 4 days to live then committed suicide a month later
Is it? Are doctors oracles that predict the day of ones death?

Her kidney failed from her collision while drunk driving, and that medical diagnosis can't be changed. Dialysis can extend life in the case of kidney failure. I hear it's a horribly painful condition to live with

>>1457156
Sure and let's talk facts. In 2019 she said that Donald Trump was not involved in this. In 2019 she said she would not kill herself or commit suicide. 60-ish months later she winds up in a drunk driving collision and a doctor tells her her kidney has failed and she has 4 days to live. 3 weeks later she committed suicide.

>>1456704
Because poor people are going to start going to the emergency room when they have pneumonia and are about to die, instead of going to a walk in clinic when they have an upper respiratory infection. Hospitals gotta eat that cost, so they'll raise their rates, which will raise the insurer's costs, which will raise your rates.

Every fucking nonshithole country on the planet spends less on healthcare, but is healthier than America and you fucktards want to keep this system?

>>1457162
Source?

>>1457321
No. Poor people are on Medicaid, faggot.

>>1457321
This already happens.
>you fucktards
European detected. The system is already broken, but this doesn't change anything. The whole price increase thing is because "temporary covid relief" credits that only apply to plans on the ACA are going to expire. This doesn't apply to Medicare/Medicaid or private plans like what I get at work.