for you, what is the French car that deserves more visibility in the world as in anime, series, gathering or film
>>27534488bro the French have never made a good car what are you doing
>>27534506bro you can't say that if you're a car fan, some models are iconic and well built
>>27534506they literally made the fastest production car in the world
The French invented the V8.
>>27534488there are many. Safrane bi turbo is a good pic. I also quite like the XM, picrel. But honestly each and every hydropneumatic citroën was great, with the only exception being the C5.
>>27534533The french cant pronounce "v." That's why the were slaughtered by the Ephraimites as they couldn't say "shibboleth" properly, while trying to escape.
>>27534506Not every day you get to see a post this retarded on 4chan, impressive. Even if you don't like their cheap commuter cars, which are fine for what they do, they have made some insane and beautiful cars.
>>27534530that's german
>>27534600The Bugatti Veyron EB 16.4 is a mid-engine sports car, designed and developed in Germany by the Volkswagen Group and Bugatti and manufactured in Molsheim, France, by French automobile manufacturer Bugatti. It was named after the racing driver Pierre Veyron. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron
Take the 106pill>light>super practical>can seat tall guys comfortably (I'm 6'5)>tons of engine variants depending on needs, including super economic base model engines or sporty ones>literal 800kg road legal go kart>oversteers almost on demand>parts aplenty>insanely easy to work on>ultra reliable>>27534488>safraneit's underrated for a reason. they're piles of shit. they're xboxhuge and utterly pigfat, weighting 1 and a half the weight of their (goated) predecessor, the Renault 25 (base model Safrane is 1.8 tons and above 2 tons for the Biturbo, the lightest R25 was around 1200kg and the heaviest 1450 iirc).they're built like shit but they dont have the kino or practicality or comfort the R25 have, while also being less reliable and worse to work on with much more expensive parts.T. Frog>>27534649it's a German car built in germany. a pig born in a stable isnt a horse.
>>27534530> Built in Molsheim, AlsaceSo really it's a German car with some French design flavoring.
>>27534584I adore the new A110, can't wait for them to open US sales
Peugeot 307 SW 1.6! A true econobox and if it didn’t burn up it aged like a fine French wino into a serious shitbox.
>>27534548don't really like French cars but all of those wheels are sexo.
>>27534673No, Alsatians and the Lorrainois don't consider themselves German nor French, but if they had to choose, they would say French, even the German-speaking folk
>>27534659There's one in Florida that was imported, but $10k USD is excessive given the condition it's in. Same seller also has a '94 306XSI 5dr and there's a 505 STX 5spd in the area. I want a 106 or a 205 GTI, what in your opinion is better? 306-6 looks heavier but also a option.https://www.fb.com/share/1h1F71kPaUe4FdWq/?mibextid=kL3p88Also for you frogs USA is a cheap source of 405Mi16s, there's two on Facebook in NY for $10k.
>>27534703they're shit compared to 306s and any other prior pug, really.>>27534732it's got really low miles and these can run forever, I think just buffing the paint would have it looking great honestly.505s are super kino, last RWD pugs, pure early 80s design.Both 205s and 106s are fantastic cars. It all depends on your personal taste at this point.Both had a "small" and "big" engine option. the 106 had either a 1.4 or 1.6 SOHC 8v engines, both making 105~hp, but the 1.4 is all aluminium and very light and rev happy. No torks so it's a bit rougher to drive around normally, although by no means hard.The 1.6 is the same design but with an iron block and more torque down in the RPM range. It is a bit less fun but more dailyable.The 205 has a 1.6 or 1.9 engine, with the 1.6 making 115hp and the 1.9 making 130hp. Same thing as the 106, small one is light and rev happy and big one is smoother.the 306 is a smidge heavier than either the 106 or 205 but it's a good bit larger and handles like a fucking dream.any hot hatch/sporty car of the 80s and 90s is reaching utterly retarded prices now, I fucking hate it
>>27534488C6s are fucking cool
>>27534887>505s are super kino, last RWD pugs, pure early 80s design.Agreed.
>>27534887I don't think buffing the paint works unless PSA used a single stage, something tells me it's more clear cost failure.I think the 106 might be easier to get spares for, but ironically the 205 easier to find. People in America really don't care for Pugs so they'll spend obscene amounts to import one from Europe/Japan then get disappointed when it sells for a fraction of the money.I think you saw the 205 1.9 I linked on Bring a Trailer a few months ago for a example, but there was also a ZX 1.9 Volcane (LHD imported from Colombia with a lot of work done to it) that sold for $4500 (I nearly vomited, even a idiot like me would make room for one)I'm thinking a S16 or the Saxo VTS twin from Japan, forget a Rallye since they're collector cars. what in your opinions more fun? The 106 GTI or 306-6 GTI? Xsaras are also cheapish when you find them and mechanical twins to the 306
>>27535215PSA used single stage a lot, and I think that blue might be it. when french clearcoats fail they chip everywhere.both 205 and 106s have a ton of aftermarket parts support, both new stock parts or modified stuff. problem is shipping really.I remember that and I think someone else sent the ZX over on another place. You can't even get deals like that over here anymore, that era is long over. A XU9J4 swapped 205 GTI would go for 15+k.S16s and Saxo VTS are good, but the latter VTS came both with the 1.4, 1.6 SOHC or 1.6 16v engines.They're all fun really, as long as you have proper twisties to throw them about on. Xsaras suck ass, go for the ZX instead. It's the one the 306 is based on and they're both great, and the ZX is a hell of a lot cheaper compared to the 306. Had the same shit as the 306 GTI-6 but only the 5 speed, which is already plenty enough honestly
>>27534721Alsace is in France, and the Alsatians call it FrenchJe connais plein d'Alsaciens car mes grand parent y habite là-bas, sache que tout le monde parle français et ce sent français, mange français et consomme français, seul les noms de certaine village on une connotation allemande
>>27534703That's the interior of a Roland Garros edition 307 SW. It was only available with a 2.0L engine-- either petrol with a five speed or turbodiesel with a six speed. Both engines made about 100 kW from the factory. The leather interior is really nice, the suspension tuning well judged for comfort, and the turbodiesel with six speed is great for high speed cruising while delivering excellent fuel economy-- especially after an emissions delete and tune. One neat feature is the interchangeable seats and third row mounting points, so it's possible to seat up to seven people in a not-very-large car.
>>27534703>>27537148I think it's a fairly handsome car from the outside too-- nothing special, but nicely proportioned. It's certainly better than a lot of the cars that Peugeot would release shortly after.
>>27537158The last one to not have a massive gaping maw for a long time.
4 seats, rear engine and superb aero. All it needed to suceed was to win races and more competitive engines, but the priorities were elsewhere.
>>27537809But they did address its biggest deficiency, the lack of pop up headlights.
It all went wrong when they tried making electric sports cars.
>>27534925the interior was the best part.
sexo
>>27539366Movie starhttps://youtu.be/CVaNBrYLvFg?si=kvX7t2z3Jd6uP-qh
>>27534488>deserves more visibility in the world as in anime, series, gathering or filmWhy would I want people that don't know, to know?>>27534584The prettiest French car imo.
>>27534488Saffrane was a good car but had horrible spare parts issues>>27534506Twingo, Xantia and 406 SW were greatOkay two of them were the same car but you get the point
menage a trois?
>>27540414Nice, but I like the Talbot-Matra Murena better
The rcz r was amazing considering the platform it was based on, too bad the 508 pse turned out to be so mild afterwards.https://youtu.be/McVxxxfN5-s
Seriously? I can't believe nobody's posted pic related yet.
>>27544345Or this?
>>27544349Also, I can't *not* post the interior, which is just as mad, if not even more so, than the exterior
>>27534721VOUS N'AUREZ PAS L'ALSACE ET LA LORRAINEET MALGRE VOUS NOUS RESTERONS FRANCAIS
>>27534936It even has a Panamera spoiler.
>>27544349I was about to post it
Citroen SM
Somebody had to post it.
>>27544707The last Twingo, rear wheel drive isn't bad looking either
>shits on audi quattros>does barrel-rolls (unintentionally)
this would be mine if I were a yuropoor
>>27534506retard.
>>27534506lmao look at this RETARD
French cars made before the benz motorwagen are underrated.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riO3UUC9qo0
>>27534936Although it had a funny window and fancy suspension, was it truly weird enough to be French?
>>27534533Peugeot the dohc if I remember as well. Blew my fucking mind because before I played RBR and read about them, Peugeot was a literal "who?" company. Shame theey seem to be going to shit just like everyone else.
>>27534488Besides the DS, the 205 and maybe the Renault 5 Turbo, most french cars are underrated. If I had to name one, it would be the Ax, it's almost the same thing as the 106, but I like the boxy design more
>>27534506they literally made a car that earned the nickname "The Goddess" because it was just that comfortablefrench cars are the only european cars worth a damn
Rewatched FLCL and spotted this nice wagon.
>>27546426They invented dohc, 4 valves per cylinder by 1912 and dry sump engine lubrication in 1914, and made both americans and germans seethe.
>>27547080This engine formed the basis for the miller/offenhauser engine that dominated the Indianapolis 500.
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>>27546269>interior that looks like this>fancy suspension not just because hydropneumatics, it also used a two-piece front upright that all but eliminated torque steer>could be had with up to a 3.0l twin turbo diesel V6, of course mounted transversely and exclusively driving the front wheelsIt could only have come out of France.
I love the quirky concepts the French come up with, like the luxury MPV/shootingbrake that is the Avantime.
>>27547425At the time it was quirky, but nowadays the high seating position and boxy appearence is typical because of all the crossovers and suvs going around.The only thing they got wrong was not having comically oversized wheels and 4 doors.
>>27547525So you could say it was avant its time?:^)
>>27547531Matra always did get the naming right.
>>27534732Wtf. I can’t find a single Peugeot when I try looking. Yours doesn’t even pull up
>>27535911MehJe vis en alsace (a 30km de molsheim) et la plupart de mes collègues parlent alsacien (rien a voir avec le francais, beaucoup plus proche de l'allemand), ont grandi avec la télé allemande, font leur shopping en allemagne, vont chercher des médecins allemands parce qu'ils sont considérés beaucoup mieux que les français, etc.tu sous-évalue l'influence allemande et si il se trouvait vraiment qu'il faille décider entre l'un ou l'autre, je ne suis pas sur que tu ai raison.bien sur, c'est sans considerer les gens de la ville. Strasbourg est notre petit Paris et les urbanites qui y vivent ne sont pas alsaciens.
>>27534506I would agree with this post if the Alpine didn't exist. The singular beautiful French car.
>>27545967when you have to go back a century to find a good looking French car that's a pretty bad argument.
about a decade ago a far family member offered me an almost free barn stored Murena V6 project car (dind't run). Being a student i had no space, time or money to dump into, so i kindly refused. Serious regret ever since.
>>27547839Delahaye are sculptures
>>27538379Is that kmh on the speedometer?
>>27547850It has both, but mph are in yellow and in a smaller font.>>27537814rear engine has it´s advantages.
>>27547696those are Bugatti Type 41 Royales. they aren't just "good looking". they are considered to be the finest automobiles ever made. they only made 6. this is the worst car community on the internet.
>>27534488Peugeot 406 Coupe
>>27534732:)
>>27534936Really want one of these. Very cheap in my cunt too.
>>27546437>running in the 90's
>>27549715Wait, hold on, that looks like an old Skoda Rapid. I like it.Please tell me it's not FWD
>>27550136Rear engine, rear wheel drive.
>>27550148AS GOD INTENDEDMaybe once I get over my commieboo phase, I'll grab one, unless I manage to snag myself a Skoda 110r Coupe (I won't). I mean the similarity is there
>>27549697Those classic Pininfarina lines.I really want one of these but they're so rare over here (Oz).
>>27550158That skoda is more similar to the tatra t603 also built nearby, also a really cool car.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8fNpTSLi80RR cars at the time were a popular way to make cars with good interior space, good traction and light steering. They also end up forming a generation of race drivers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m8DYvFJ4LA
>>27550184I know there´s an aussiefrog community for french cars in australia, and i can find a few of them for sale.https://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/index.php?threads/surviving-406-coupes-australia.144328/
>>27544707>>27544711I may be buying my first car later this year and a twingo would be a candidate - I know /o/ has a thing for them, can you twingopill me?
>>27550554I own a '06 16V, happy to answer any questions you have.
>>27550190The rear engine Skodas, if memory serves, are reverse engineered Renault Dauphines, at least the 1000MB was based on it along with the engine, the Typ 740 and 742 being based on the 1000MB, loosely.
>>27550599What does it offer against other small cars of around the same period? Is it comfy?
>>27550639The interior is the biggest selling point. Obviously the design is very quirky and fun, but it's also really spacious for such a small car and the interior flexibility is pretty much unmatched.The rear bench slides back and forth so you get to choose trunk space, rear legroom, or a bit of both, you can fold the entire thing up against the front seats to make a tiny van, or you can lay the whole thing flat to make a double bed.Seats are comfortable, ride is pretty soft, not bouncy at all like you get with some other small cars. They also sold shittons of them so parts are still dirt cheap.
>>27534488why do french cars have a bad rep again? They look really stunning. I love majority of renaults and peugeots but they get constantly shat on for reasons I have no knowledge of
>>27550728The French copy no one, and no one copies the French. They like doing weird shit, not all of it successful.Also lmao French electronics, stuff like the 2nd gen Laguna and first gen C5 are known for having non-stop inexplicable electrical problems.
>>27550739The peugeot experience:>temporary fault>yeah whatever>clear codes>turn off engine>turn on engine>temporary faultNot so temporary, are you? You cunt
>>27550670Interesting, thanks anon. I've realised I overlooked something important - I'm in Britain and they never manufactured right hand drive gen 1 twingos, so it's not really an option, which is a shame because I was increasingly warming to the idea. Ah well, thanks anyway and enjoy your twingo.
>>27550801I know there's a few imports in the UK, but you're right, the mk1 was only ever made in LHD.The mk2 could be had with individual sliding rear seats and uses the mk2 Clio chassis so there's a lot more aftermarket support for it, especially in the UK, and it got GT and RS variants which are both loads of fun, so those are worth a look too.
>>27550801The Mk1 Twingo a lot of attention, and rightly so, but the Mk2 is an excellent car in its own right. It's as mechanically reliable as the Mk1 cars-- few common faults, none of them major-- and avoids the common interior problems of the Mk1 (seat adjustments and door handles failing). The individually sliding and folding rear seats are easier to adjust and more convenient to use than the bench in the Mk1. Interior room is even better. The Mk2 is also available with features that weren't available on the Mk1, like cruise control, automatic control, and a tachometer. The Mk2 also offers the sporty GT and RS133 variants with turbocharged 1.2L (factory 100 HP, 125 with a basic tune, 145 with tune + injectors, and [highest I've seen so far] up to 190 on factory internals with tune + fueling + upgraded turbo) or 133 HP NA 1.6L. Clio 192 and Megane F4RT swaps are also fairly straightforward and common.The UK Renault Twingo Owners club on Facebook is pretty active and a wealth of information.Picrel is my Mk2 GT shortly after I bought it. The previous owner added the stickers and wheels to make it match his RS133. He also had it tuned to somewhere around 130 HP. I've since removed the stickers but kept the tuning and am slowly making my own enhancements. I bought it as cheap fun shortly after moving to Europe. I planned to replace it with something nicer once I got settled, but I ended up liking it more than all the possible replacements, so I still have it five years later.I've also owned a Mk1-- a 2003 16V with AC. In February, I drove it ~9000 km to west Africa in this year's Budapest to Bamako rally. I didn't make any modifications. It completed the rally without problem.
>>27550739There also was a very brief moment in time when the French thought that using CAN bus for their multiplexed electrics was clearly beneath them and made their own version.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_Area_Network
>>27550728number 1 reason is the rivalry between french and anglos, they have an obligation to shit on what each other does regardless if it´s good or not.Number 2 reason is french car makers not catering to their costumers, they have a tendency to want to be trend setters and come up with a idea of how things should be and hoping their clients will like it, even if they are not used to it (pic related). No surprises as to why this approach was particularly unsuccessful in north america, while the japanese succeeded by following the most popular trends and making exactly what consumers say they want - even though french car makers are actually pretty sucessful on a global scale.Number 3 reason is socialism. French car makers are HEAVILY constrained by french government requirements and left wing politics, and this resulted in them being unable to sell big engined/overly powerful/expensive cars to the public, as well as ruthlessly cutting costs in anything other than workers salaries, so even if the base mechanicals are usually very reliable the materials and non essential components might not be. And i´m not kidding about left wing politics, renault for example left north america right as they were ready to launch the jeep Cherokee because their CEO was gunned down by left wing militia.https://automotivehistory.org/georges-besse-renault-ceo-assissinated/
>>27547565Yep
>>27552100And the Rancho is just a lifted up shitbox with plastic all around
>>27552110They used the pickup version as a base for it
>>27550828>>27550905Interesting, thanks. I'll make the mk2 a candidate then.
really showing off the technology.
>>27550190Rear engine cars were just a stop-agp measure until decent CV joints were cheap enough to make FWD shitboxes. Rear engines were basically over after the mid 50s, any car after that (except for the NSU Prinz) was just warmed over 50s tech. And there was no connection between Skoda and Tatra. Skoda was just ordered to make a rear engined car because everyone in europe did it. But the concept was already outdated when that decision was made>>27540414Very cool, great classic car for the money these days
>>27550184They drive beautifully too. Not for the boy racers obviously, but rather for someone who is looking for a gran tourer that isn't German made. The interior quality could've been better than the regular 406 sedan. Here is one for sale in my country : https://www.mobile.bg/obiava-11639558878213624-peugeot-406-3-0i-v6-turbo-400-k-s180.000km on the odometer, V6 Turbo, manual, SetantAnni interior, tasteful exterior modifications. Around 7000 dollars.
>>27548396>they are considered to be the finest automobiles ever madeby who, 110 year old boomers? they're glorified carriages you retard. And Bugatti was founded by an Italian man in Germany anyway.
>>27534682Is this hopium or are we actually getting it? Big if true.
>>27552550>except the nsu prinzThe french were already using modern cv joints in the 50's and one of their people's car was already ff (the 2cv), so that was never a limitation. Just on the french side of things after the 60's you have renault a310, gta and a610, and most recently the mk3 twingo with smart underpinnings. It's not that rr cars were ever a stop gap measure or outdated, it's that the casual consumer prefers the crosswind stability and large rear trunk space of a ff car.As for skoda and tatra, the obvious connection there is that both are from the same country and thus are far more familiar with each others cars, and styling a more affordable car to resemble the more upmarket car is an obvious marketing move (mercedes/bmw/audi are experts on this). The rr design kept being popular in the eastern bloc well into the 90's, with the fiat 126 at the top.
>>27552605by people who actually know something about fine automobiles, not zoomer faggots with fart can Civics.
>>27545016The opening scene of the french movie "Subway" 1985 has the GTI road-going model of the 205.That's really the only one I can think of.
sweet rollinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTxKRP-U31Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAue64-FxOI
They don't build them like they used to.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEajYbvqJPo
Too bad the company only made a profit by selling quadricycles, their first car was pretty interesting.
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>>27557773
Me and my wife's son's
>>27557821If it's an rc it can wag it's tail just fine.
>>27557824I sorely regret selling it
>>27557830I'm sure you do.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qCmwCnNeMA
>>275511403rd reason I assume is why Peugeot never produced any of the supercar concepts they showed to the publi
>>27534548Do you have a source for your pic ? I'd like to know.
>>27551140Toujours le suceur de service.
>>27558373Nope sorry. Feel like I got it from citroennet.org.uk but I've been trying to find it for you with no luck.>>27534659>>27534732>>27546437checkem
>>27549904wtf are these prices??? in europe you can pick up a 1.1 for under 1k easily. under 500 if you don't mind getting a hooptie.
>>27534506I’m currently driving a 2023 Peugeot 3008.Costed 40k new.No idea how reliable it will be, but it has lots of neat ((tech)) and is actually decently fun to drive for a SUV.
protip: get a tu5 motor car
>>27558270Yeah, Citroen and Renault too, the only way for them to actually produce their concept cars is if they need it to homologate their racing models.I mean can you imagine the shame, the infamy, the sheer embarassement if the public in general found out that the futuristic supercar citroen designed for gran turismo that supposedly is powered by eco friendly hydrogen fuel cells is fully functional in real life, except it's powered by a ford racing v8?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wul18ULy6yQ
>>27534936came here to post this.
>>27560776also the fact that the french president actually used it as a limousine makes it even cooler
>>27560781macron is the most uncool motherfucker on the planet also the car is fucking hideous, especially the rear end. I desperately want to like it because it's mechanically very cool but it truly is an ugly piece of shit
>>27550739>French electronicsYeah, I hate thist. frog car owner
>>27534488Kinda looks like an upscaled Vectra
>>27547663>Alpine>Al PineThey can't keep getting away with those calembours!>>27547839>>27547842Absurdly beautiful.
>>27560781It's sad the french auto industry hasn't done anything more suitable since then.
>>27561136It's al-peen
>>27534649Ferdinand Piech drew the engine layout on an airplane napkin.
>>27562732Yeah, and al-peen your mom.
>>27534936A true gem of french engineering and thinking outside the box innovative cartesian spirit. Owning this one has been nothing but pleasure so far. Driving feels like gliding on waves, the comfort is unmatched and its look is both classic and timeless. Heads turn when I take it to the city. Women sit in it once and beg to be taken for a ride again after experiencing the backseat.Perfect road trip car too, goes everywhere even on the worst countryside pothole galore roads , I could fall asleep cruising in it. The suspensions are still ahead of their time today.Overall it's the quintessential Citroën with everything that made the brand the legend it used to be with models blessed by the general himself. It only made sense for the brand to die under Peugeot tyrany after going out in such a magnificent firework.
>>27564271>women sit in it [...]They don't.
Long travel, transverse mid engine 4wd, as all cars should be.
>>27568310Is this the car that Ari drove?
>>27568496He believe he drove the 205 t16 in group b rally and the 405 t16 in pikes peak, but not the zx rally raid specifically, even though it is the final evolution of those cars.
>>27568951Vatanen on the right
>>27568310I swear those rally Peugeots had the wackiest drivetrain layout. Apparently the gearbox came from the Citroën SM.
>>27569209Apparently it was the right combination because even Audi Sport was attempting to copy it in a mid-engine quattro before Audi executives got wind of it and shut it down.
>>27569519This thing? Kinda makes sense, Audi's FWD transaxles are very similar to the SM one, just running in the opposite direction.
>>27569551Yes and no, it was a Quattro Silhouette car that Audi Sport worked on in secret on the other side of the Iron Curtain (it was either Yugoslavia or Czechoslovakia I think).They built a couple prototypes with a mid-engine layout, and tested them against their S1 E2. Executives found out, and immediately cancelled it. One of them personally witnessed the destruction of the cars (allegedly).But that project influenced the Group S prototype in your pic. Walter had stated that it was actually a magnificent car that was a step up over the quattros being raced in Group B.
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>>27569209it's an FWD gearbox with an inverted casing
Not a car that many people know about. The matra djet might be a contender for the first front mid-engine production car. The body lines of this car are fascinating and the front and rear third view always make me pause and explore.
>>27571896I think was preceeded by the detomaso vallellunga by a few months, but that's only if you count post ww2 cars; many of the late xix/early xx century cars had a mid engine placed beneath the seats, like the benz motorwagen, the peugeot type 1 and the oldsmobile curved dash.Either way, it was a pretty sophisticated car, born in a period where small scale fiberglass sports cars were flourishing everywhere like jide, chappe et gossalin, deutch et bonnet, and of course alpine.
>>27572506>>27571896Correction, just looked it up and it turns out that while the detomaso preceds the matra djet, the bonnet djet it was based on was on sale a good 3 years earlier.
>>27569209Yeah, it's hilarious when you look at the engine bay and the engine is completely off to one side
>>27572850Aren't most transverse cars like this?
>>27573217Most have the engine significantly more centered.
>>27573231The wheelwell has probably something to do with it. Also, the engine block ends roughly around here.
>>27573231That´s because they offset the position of the differential to compensate, which has the disadvantage of making the driveshafts shorter (and lead to a lot of torque steer if they are left with uneven length). If you want to max out suspension travel with long driveshafts you need the differentials in the center, and to do that with a transverse engine you either mount the engine above the transmission (austin mini, lamborghini miura, peugeot 104) or you offset the engine. Clearly, the later solution works.
>>27554208the 2cv is probably the champion of body roll.
>>27539366>>27540242The 407 could not live up to the predecessor.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YMVjzsxAr8
>>27556022Damn, they really ought to bring bank the tank logo because it's fucking badass.
>>27578923Association with war? In the current year?
>>27534488My issue with French cars is they just seemingly stopped making cool road-going versions of their race cars. Pic related would have absolutely cut into Evo and WRX sales just like how it cut into their WRC victories.
>>27581231Group b was the only time they made homologation road cars that matched the race cars, they skipped group a the only thing they did for wrc was to give the 206 oversized bumpers to satisfy minimum length requirements.It probably doesn't help that the french market doesn't care about 4wd cars at all, you have to ask a specialist workshop to modify your car if you want a french offroader.
Mega Monte CarloFirst versions had a Lamborghini v12 which was later replaced by a mercedes unit. All of them were 6 speed manual
Also the Aixam-Mega Track: a humongous 4-seater 4wd supercar with adjustable ride hight for off-roading powered by a mercedes v12 mated to a 6speed manual
>>27582350Forgot pic
>>27581231I blame french taxes
The only good looking thing to come out of this generation of megane
>>27582353They'll still build you a new one today if you contact them and send enough money.
>>27582451I think the wagon is pretty nice
>>27582520>enormous front overhang>short rear overhang>trunk side window is shorter than the door>all that in a wagonNo, it's not, it's out of proportion.
we're also forgetting this one.
>>27581231the Xsara Kit Car is FWD and the Xsara WRC debuted too late in the car's lifespan to justify making a turbo 4WD road-going version for a very limited market. The Xsara VTS was a decent hot hatch but they probably could've made a more extreme version with a 6-speed, LSD and power bumped up into the 200bhp range - a bit like what Ford did with the Mk1 Focus RS
>>27583774The xsara vts is basically a peugeot 306 gti-6 with a 5 speed instead of a 6 speed. To bump the power significantly they´d need turbocharging like in the 405 t16, but they´d lose the n/a roar - the 206 rc had 180 hp, but ends up being similar to the 160hp in the xsara.
>>27583754Put together by a guy who owned a motorsport magazine because he thought the sportscars of the time were either too soft or too expensive, so he made a racing chassis powered by a 2l peugeot engine. It did sell well for what it was, but it wasn't exactly profitable.I think the de la chappele roadster used same chassis without the roof, or at least it was made to look very similar.
>>27550905that small thing looks great anon
>>27557821isn't the 206 rc the first peugeot to use the THP engine? You did well selling it
>>27586069Pretty sure the THP came after, 206 RC is a 2l NA
>>27586069no, that would be the 207. 206 rc uses a 2 liter N/A engine with 180hp.
Always liked pic related gen Megane, but i think they are pretty shit considering they used to be everywhere but are a rare sight nowadays. Same goes for that gen Laguna
>>27588679It's funny to realize that the engine is somewhere around here. Why don't they tip over?
>>27588705The engine is tilted back pretty significantly actually.
>>27588710>engine bay is so short the only way to fit the battery is sidewaysWhy do you people like these shiboxes again?
>>27588722That was Renault's "fuck anyone trying to work on this" phase, changing a headlight bulb on that gen Megane is done through the fucking wheel well.
>>27588722>>27588732That's because of crumple zone requirements. Without them, even transverse engines had pretty accessible engine bays.
>>27588776Wonder how do these>crumple zone requirementsforce anyone to make the hood twice as short as in your pic?
>>27588776Nah, it's just Renault going full retard during those years. Here's a Golf from the same era with the same crash test scores.
>>27588845because everything in front of the hood is the bumper that´s attached to the main guard rail, while in the megane i it only went to the level below the front headlights.The "fix" in the megane 3 and beyond was simply making the car longer (the laguna II had enough length to provide good acess), but back then they were trying to make the car space efficient.
>>27588920but that literally isn´t any better? the battery is even mounted sideways because there´s less width.
>>27588920>>27588710On closer inspection, the only difference in terms of battery positioning seems to be the position of the engine ecu in the megane right next to the battery.
>>27588947The opening on the Golf is way bigger, pull that plastic cover off and you've got much easier access to everything on the engine. On the Megane you'd have to pull off the lock carrier or try to get at anything on the front of the block from underneath.
>>27552100I had that matchbox car as a kid and always wondered what it was since it had the bounciest suspension and a pick up style rear door
>>27566135We are not talking here about std ridden single mothers you are used to haul
everyone is jealous of france
I think they're neat
>>27589098But it's not French
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>>27588679Just went to check if that generation RS is as cheap as a Focus ST (5cyl) right now because like you I always liked their lookThere's a SINGLE R26 for sale in germany, and that one is RHD for some reason. They're all ded or sold to eastern europe it seems
>>27590536There's a decent number in Italy and France, judging by Leparking. Even a couple of R26.Rs.
>>27589061I'm not really jealous about the impôts, desu
>>27582451I knew I couldn't be the only one. They look much better in person for some reason.
>>27591734The US citizens pay on the average just as much taxes as the french. Only difference is their money is spent on the US' greatest ally.
>>27544704Seconded.
>>27545980>>27545967Jewgatti oyveyron>>27546007Yeah, the frogs were the unmatched kings of the automotive and aerospace industry before 1910. What went wrong?
>>27548396Duesenberg is way better than anything made by stinky frogniggers
>>27534506Some Lancia. Like the boxy one with teh slanted front>>27534584Yeah or an Alpine.
>>27592415WW1 killed their most promising men.
>>27592445>lancia>french
>>27534488The post war panhard cars are quite interesting.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CymtD3hlMPM
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>>27546007A toy compared to some earlier cars.
The Laguna 2 is my fav gen, but it was a literal crapshoot in terms of reliability. You could have a lemon, like you could have one last well into the 350.000 km.
>>27547083spooky>>27558610>>27549904i love these POSanybody have electric schematics for the late 1.1i models? mine has some loose wires and obd scanner keeps grumbling something about secondary air
>>27597413thisIn my family two of my uncles had one, the 1.9 turbodiesel, one still works and is used as a daily with 400.000km and the other one didn't reach 80.000km
>>27592415>Jewgatti oyveyronYou need to stop eating those crayons
>>27558674https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rip-off_Britain
>>27534682Overpriced and Alpine will probably go all electric because french auto manufacturers are cucked beyond belief.
>>27534703They only sell the 1.6 as a phev. It's way too expensive. You could get a hybrid Rav4 for less.
>>27598724you forgot>automaticif that shit wasn't the first nail in the coffin, it sure was among the first
>>27537814I wonder what it would look like if the French designed a corvette
>>27599011France is Mopar country
>>27599011I suppose the closest thing would be a facel vega fv, since it's the same period as a c1 corvette, powered by a american (Chrysler) v8 with double wishbone front suspension/live axle rear suspension.
>>27597413I wish thermacoat would make a comeback in poorfag cars. Pretty much every non-high-end brand has shitty bare glass windshields.
>>27599042I guess that explains Stellantis>>27599062Hmm, I was picturing something between a C6 and C8. Interesting
>>27598606nevermind, 206 haynes manual probably has this
>>27599082I could also mention the peugeot 504 coupe/cabriolet, but arguably that's more comparable to the mustang. You´ll struglle to find anything newer since the last french front engine, rear wheel drive car was the peugeot 505 that ended production in the 90's. Since then they've only made MR cars (renault sports spider, renault clio v6, new alpine a110) or rr cars (alpine a610, twingo mk 3), outside of specialist sports cars that are also mid engined like the hommel berlinette, de la chappele roadster, helem v6, mega montecarlo/mega track, pgo cevénnes, and of course the various venturis.
>>27599508https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SCJ7gCfCHY
>>27599508>>27599517>You´ll struglle to find anything newerI see. Thanks Anon.
>>27599508I'm amazed literally nobody posted a venturi before.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9h1UX4I4m0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVkFtLvUxzg
>>27601787They did, you faguette. And the exact same model at that.See >>27537858
There are other models.
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