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for you, what is the French car that deserves more visibility in the world as in anime, series, gathering or film
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>>27534488
bro the French have never made a good car what are you doing
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>>27534506
bro you can't say that if you're a car fan, some models are iconic and well built
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>>27534506

they literally made the fastest production car in the world
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The French invented the V8.
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>>27534488
there are many. Safrane bi turbo is a good pic.
I also quite like the XM, picrel. But honestly each and every hydropneumatic citroën was great, with the only exception being the C5.
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>>27534533
The french cant pronounce "v."
That's why the were slaughtered by the Ephraimites as they couldn't say "shibboleth" properly, while trying to escape.
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>>27534506
Not every day you get to see a post this retarded on 4chan, impressive.
Even if you don't like their cheap commuter cars, which are fine for what they do, they have made some insane and beautiful cars.
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>>27534530
that's german
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>>27534600

The Bugatti Veyron EB 16.4 is a mid-engine sports car, designed and developed in Germany by the Volkswagen Group and Bugatti and manufactured in Molsheim, France, by French automobile manufacturer Bugatti. It was named after the racing driver Pierre Veyron.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron
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Take the 106pill
>light
>super practical
>can seat tall guys comfortably (I'm 6'5)
>tons of engine variants depending on needs, including super economic base model engines or sporty ones
>literal 800kg road legal go kart
>oversteers almost on demand
>parts aplenty
>insanely easy to work on
>ultra reliable
>>27534488
>safrane
it's underrated for a reason. they're piles of shit. they're xboxhuge and utterly pigfat, weighting 1 and a half the weight of their (goated) predecessor, the Renault 25 (base model Safrane is 1.8 tons and above 2 tons for the Biturbo, the lightest R25 was around 1200kg and the heaviest 1450 iirc).
they're built like shit but they dont have the kino or practicality or comfort the R25 have, while also being less reliable and worse to work on with much more expensive parts.
T. Frog
>>27534649
it's a German car built in germany. a pig born in a stable isnt a horse.
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>>27534530
> Built in Molsheim, Alsace
So really it's a German car with some French design flavoring.
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>>27534584
I adore the new A110, can't wait for them to open US sales
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Peugeot 307 SW 1.6! A true econobox and if it didn’t burn up it aged like a fine French wino into a serious shitbox.
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>>27534548
don't really like French cars but all of those wheels are sexo.
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>>27534673
No, Alsatians and the Lorrainois don't consider themselves German nor French, but if they had to choose, they would say French, even the German-speaking folk
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>>27534659
There's one in Florida that was imported, but $10k USD is excessive given the condition it's in. Same seller also has a '94 306XSI 5dr and there's a 505 STX 5spd in the area. I want a 106 or a 205 GTI, what in your opinion is better? 306-6 looks heavier but also a option.

https://www.fb.com/share/1h1F71kPaUe4FdWq/?mibextid=kL3p88


Also for you frogs USA is a cheap source of 405Mi16s, there's two on Facebook in NY for $10k.
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>>27534703
they're shit compared to 306s and any other prior pug, really.
>>27534732
it's got really low miles and these can run forever, I think just buffing the paint would have it looking great honestly.
505s are super kino, last RWD pugs, pure early 80s design.
Both 205s and 106s are fantastic cars. It all depends on your personal taste at this point.
Both had a "small" and "big" engine option. the 106 had either a 1.4 or 1.6 SOHC 8v engines, both making 105~hp, but the 1.4 is all aluminium and very light and rev happy. No torks so it's a bit rougher to drive around normally, although by no means hard.
The 1.6 is the same design but with an iron block and more torque down in the RPM range. It is a bit less fun but more dailyable.
The 205 has a 1.6 or 1.9 engine, with the 1.6 making 115hp and the 1.9 making 130hp. Same thing as the 106, small one is light and rev happy and big one is smoother.
the 306 is a smidge heavier than either the 106 or 205 but it's a good bit larger and handles like a fucking dream.
any hot hatch/sporty car of the 80s and 90s is reaching utterly retarded prices now, I fucking hate it
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>>27534488
C6s are fucking cool
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>>27534887
>505s are super kino, last RWD pugs, pure early 80s design.
Agreed.
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>>27534887
I don't think buffing the paint works unless PSA used a single stage, something tells me it's more clear cost failure.

I think the 106 might be easier to get spares for, but ironically the 205 easier to find. People in America really don't care for Pugs so they'll spend obscene amounts to import one from Europe/Japan then get disappointed when it sells for a fraction of the money.

I think you saw the 205 1.9 I linked on Bring a Trailer a few months ago for a example, but there was also a ZX 1.9 Volcane (LHD imported from Colombia with a lot of work done to it) that sold for $4500 (I nearly vomited, even a idiot like me would make room for one)

I'm thinking a S16 or the Saxo VTS twin from Japan, forget a Rallye since they're collector cars. what in your opinions more fun? The 106 GTI or 306-6 GTI? Xsaras are also cheapish when you find them and mechanical twins to the 306
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>>27535215
PSA used single stage a lot, and I think that blue might be it. when french clearcoats fail they chip everywhere.
both 205 and 106s have a ton of aftermarket parts support, both new stock parts or modified stuff. problem is shipping really.
I remember that and I think someone else sent the ZX over on another place. You can't even get deals like that over here anymore, that era is long over. A XU9J4 swapped 205 GTI would go for 15+k.
S16s and Saxo VTS are good, but the latter VTS came both with the 1.4, 1.6 SOHC or 1.6 16v engines.
They're all fun really, as long as you have proper twisties to throw them about on. Xsaras suck ass, go for the ZX instead. It's the one the 306 is based on and they're both great, and the ZX is a hell of a lot cheaper compared to the 306. Had the same shit as the 306 GTI-6 but only the 5 speed, which is already plenty enough honestly
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>>27534721

Alsace is in France, and the Alsatians call it French

Je connais plein d'Alsaciens car mes grand parent y habite là-bas, sache que tout le monde parle français et ce sent français, mange français et consomme français, seul les noms de certaine village on une connotation allemande
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>>27534703
That's the interior of a Roland Garros edition 307 SW. It was only available with a 2.0L engine-- either petrol with a five speed or turbodiesel with a six speed. Both engines made about 100 kW from the factory. The leather interior is really nice, the suspension tuning well judged for comfort, and the turbodiesel with six speed is great for high speed cruising while delivering excellent fuel economy-- especially after an emissions delete and tune. One neat feature is the interchangeable seats and third row mounting points, so it's possible to seat up to seven people in a not-very-large car.
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>>27534703
>>27537148
I think it's a fairly handsome car from the outside too-- nothing special, but nicely proportioned. It's certainly better than a lot of the cars that Peugeot would release shortly after.
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>>27537158
The last one to not have a massive gaping maw for a long time.
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4 seats, rear engine and superb aero. All it needed to suceed was to win races and more competitive engines, but the priorities were elsewhere.
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>>27537809
But they did address its biggest deficiency, the lack of pop up headlights.
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It all went wrong when they tried making electric sports cars.
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>>27534925
the interior was the best part.
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sexo
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>>27539366
Movie star

https://youtu.be/CVaNBrYLvFg?si=kvX7t2z3Jd6uP-qh
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>>27534488
>deserves more visibility in the world as in anime, series, gathering or film
Why would I want people that don't know, to know?
>>27534584
The prettiest French car imo.
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>>27534488
Saffrane was a good car but had horrible spare parts issues
>>27534506
Twingo, Xantia and 406 SW were great
Okay two of them were the same car but you get the point
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menage a trois?
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>>27540414
Nice, but I like the Talbot-Matra Murena better
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The rcz r was amazing considering the platform it was based on, too bad the 508 pse turned out to be so mild afterwards.
https://youtu.be/McVxxxfN5-s
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Seriously? I can't believe nobody's posted pic related yet.
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>>27544345
Or this?
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>>27544349
Also, I can't *not* post the interior, which is just as mad, if not even more so, than the exterior
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>>27534721
VOUS N'AUREZ PAS L'ALSACE ET LA LORRAINE
ET MALGRE VOUS NOUS RESTERONS FRANCAIS
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>>27534936
It even has a Panamera spoiler.
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>>27544349
I was about to post it
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Citroen SM
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Somebody had to post it.
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>>27544707
The last Twingo, rear wheel drive isn't bad looking either
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>shits on audi quattros
>does barrel-rolls (unintentionally)
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this would be mine if I were a yuropoor
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>>27534506
retard.
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>>27534506
lmao look at this RETARD
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French cars made before the benz motorwagen are underrated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riO3UUC9qo0
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>>27534936
Although it had a funny window and fancy suspension, was it truly weird enough to be French?
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>>27534533
Peugeot the dohc if I remember as well. Blew my fucking mind because before I played RBR and read about them, Peugeot was a literal "who?" company. Shame theey seem to be going to shit just like everyone else.
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>>27534488
Besides the DS, the 205 and maybe the Renault 5 Turbo, most french cars are underrated. If I had to name one, it would be the Ax, it's almost the same thing as the 106, but I like the boxy design more
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>>27534506
they literally made a car that earned the nickname "The Goddess" because it was just that comfortable

french cars are the only european cars worth a damn
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Rewatched FLCL and spotted this nice wagon.
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>>27546426
They invented dohc, 4 valves per cylinder by 1912 and dry sump engine lubrication in 1914, and made both americans and germans seethe.
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>>27547080
This engine formed the basis for the miller/offenhauser engine that dominated the Indianapolis 500.
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>>27547083
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>>27547084
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>>27546269
>interior that looks like this
>fancy suspension not just because hydropneumatics, it also used a two-piece front upright that all but eliminated torque steer
>could be had with up to a 3.0l twin turbo diesel V6, of course mounted transversely and exclusively driving the front wheels
It could only have come out of France.
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I love the quirky concepts the French come up with, like the luxury MPV/shootingbrake that is the Avantime.
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>>27547425
At the time it was quirky, but nowadays the high seating position and boxy appearence is typical because of all the crossovers and suvs going around.

The only thing they got wrong was not having comically oversized wheels and 4 doors.
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>>27547525
So you could say it was avant its time?
:^)
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>>27547531
Matra always did get the naming right.
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>>27534732
Wtf. I can’t find a single Peugeot when I try looking. Yours doesn’t even pull up
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>>27535911
Meh
Je vis en alsace (a 30km de molsheim) et la plupart de mes collègues parlent alsacien (rien a voir avec le francais, beaucoup plus proche de l'allemand), ont grandi avec la télé allemande, font leur shopping en allemagne, vont chercher des médecins allemands parce qu'ils sont considérés beaucoup mieux que les français, etc.
tu sous-évalue l'influence allemande et si il se trouvait vraiment qu'il faille décider entre l'un ou l'autre, je ne suis pas sur que tu ai raison.
bien sur, c'est sans considerer les gens de la ville. Strasbourg est notre petit Paris et les urbanites qui y vivent ne sont pas alsaciens.
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>>27534506
I would agree with this post if the Alpine didn't exist. The singular beautiful French car.
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>>27545967
when you have to go back a century to find a good looking French car that's a pretty bad argument.
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about a decade ago a far family member offered me an almost free barn stored Murena V6 project car (dind't run). Being a student i had no space, time or money to dump into, so i kindly refused. Serious regret ever since.
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>>27547839
Delahaye are sculptures
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>>27538379
Is that kmh on the speedometer?
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>>27547850
It has both, but mph are in yellow and in a smaller font.

>>27537814
rear engine has it´s advantages.
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>>27547696
those are Bugatti Type 41 Royales. they aren't just "good looking". they are considered to be the finest automobiles ever made. they only made 6. this is the worst car community on the internet.
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>>27534488
Peugeot 406 Coupe
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>>27534732
:)
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>>27534936
Really want one of these. Very cheap in my cunt too.
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>>27546437
>running in the 90's
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>>27549715
Wait, hold on, that looks like an old Skoda Rapid. I like it.
Please tell me it's not FWD
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>>27550136
Rear engine, rear wheel drive.
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>>27550148
AS GOD INTENDED
Maybe once I get over my commieboo phase, I'll grab one, unless I manage to snag myself a Skoda 110r Coupe (I won't). I mean the similarity is there
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>>27549697
Those classic Pininfarina lines.
I really want one of these but they're so rare over here (Oz).
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>>27550158
That skoda is more similar to the tatra t603 also built nearby, also a really cool car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8fNpTSLi80

RR cars at the time were a popular way to make cars with good interior space, good traction and light steering. They also end up forming a generation of race drivers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m8DYvFJ4LA
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>>27550184
I know there´s an aussiefrog community for french cars in australia, and i can find a few of them for sale.

https://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/index.php?threads/surviving-406-coupes-australia.144328/
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>>27544707
>>27544711
I may be buying my first car later this year and a twingo would be a candidate - I know /o/ has a thing for them, can you twingopill me?
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>>27550554
I own a '06 16V, happy to answer any questions you have.
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>>27550190
The rear engine Skodas, if memory serves, are reverse engineered Renault Dauphines, at least the 1000MB was based on it along with the engine, the Typ 740 and 742 being based on the 1000MB, loosely.
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>>27550599
What does it offer against other small cars of around the same period? Is it comfy?
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>>27550639
The interior is the biggest selling point. Obviously the design is very quirky and fun, but it's also really spacious for such a small car and the interior flexibility is pretty much unmatched.
The rear bench slides back and forth so you get to choose trunk space, rear legroom, or a bit of both, you can fold the entire thing up against the front seats to make a tiny van, or you can lay the whole thing flat to make a double bed.
Seats are comfortable, ride is pretty soft, not bouncy at all like you get with some other small cars. They also sold shittons of them so parts are still dirt cheap.
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>>27534488
why do french cars have a bad rep again? They look really stunning. I love majority of renaults and peugeots but they get constantly shat on for reasons I have no knowledge of
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>>27550728
The French copy no one, and no one copies the French. They like doing weird shit, not all of it successful.
Also lmao French electronics, stuff like the 2nd gen Laguna and first gen C5 are known for having non-stop inexplicable electrical problems.
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>>27550739
The peugeot experience:
>temporary fault
>yeah whatever
>clear codes
>turn off engine
>turn on engine
>temporary fault
Not so temporary, are you? You cunt
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>>27550670
Interesting, thanks anon. I've realised I overlooked something important - I'm in Britain and they never manufactured right hand drive gen 1 twingos, so it's not really an option, which is a shame because I was increasingly warming to the idea. Ah well, thanks anyway and enjoy your twingo.
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>>27550801
I know there's a few imports in the UK, but you're right, the mk1 was only ever made in LHD.
The mk2 could be had with individual sliding rear seats and uses the mk2 Clio chassis so there's a lot more aftermarket support for it, especially in the UK, and it got GT and RS variants which are both loads of fun, so those are worth a look too.
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>>27550801
The Mk1 Twingo a lot of attention, and rightly so, but the Mk2 is an excellent car in its own right. It's as mechanically reliable as the Mk1 cars-- few common faults, none of them major-- and avoids the common interior problems of the Mk1 (seat adjustments and door handles failing). The individually sliding and folding rear seats are easier to adjust and more convenient to use than the bench in the Mk1. Interior room is even better. The Mk2 is also available with features that weren't available on the Mk1, like cruise control, automatic control, and a tachometer. The Mk2 also offers the sporty GT and RS133 variants with turbocharged 1.2L (factory 100 HP, 125 with a basic tune, 145 with tune + injectors, and [highest I've seen so far] up to 190 on factory internals with tune + fueling + upgraded turbo) or 133 HP NA 1.6L. Clio 192 and Megane F4RT swaps are also fairly straightforward and common.

The UK Renault Twingo Owners club on Facebook is pretty active and a wealth of information.

Picrel is my Mk2 GT shortly after I bought it. The previous owner added the stickers and wheels to make it match his RS133. He also had it tuned to somewhere around 130 HP. I've since removed the stickers but kept the tuning and am slowly making my own enhancements. I bought it as cheap fun shortly after moving to Europe. I planned to replace it with something nicer once I got settled, but I ended up liking it more than all the possible replacements, so I still have it five years later.

I've also owned a Mk1-- a 2003 16V with AC. In February, I drove it ~9000 km to west Africa in this year's Budapest to Bamako rally. I didn't make any modifications. It completed the rally without problem.
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>>27550739
There also was a very brief moment in time when the French thought that using CAN bus for their multiplexed electrics was clearly beneath them and made their own version.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_Area_Network
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>>27550728
number 1 reason is the rivalry between french and anglos, they have an obligation to shit on what each other does regardless if it´s good or not.

Number 2 reason is french car makers not catering to their costumers, they have a tendency to want to be trend setters and come up with a idea of how things should be and hoping their clients will like it, even if they are not used to it (pic related). No surprises as to why this approach was particularly unsuccessful in north america, while the japanese succeeded by following the most popular trends and making exactly what consumers say they want - even though french car makers are actually pretty sucessful on a global scale.

Number 3 reason is socialism. French car makers are HEAVILY constrained by french government requirements and left wing politics, and this resulted in them being unable to sell big engined/overly powerful/expensive cars to the public, as well as ruthlessly cutting costs in anything other than workers salaries, so even if the base mechanicals are usually very reliable the materials and non essential components might not be. And i´m not kidding about left wing politics, renault for example left north america right as they were ready to launch the jeep Cherokee because their CEO was gunned down by left wing militia.

https://automotivehistory.org/georges-besse-renault-ceo-assissinated/
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>>27547565
Yep
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>>27552100
And the Rancho is just a lifted up shitbox with plastic all around
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>>27552110
They used the pickup version as a base for it
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>>27550828
>>27550905
Interesting, thanks. I'll make the mk2 a candidate then.
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really showing off the technology.
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>>27550190
Rear engine cars were just a stop-agp measure until decent CV joints were cheap enough to make FWD shitboxes. Rear engines were basically over after the mid 50s, any car after that (except for the NSU Prinz) was just warmed over 50s tech.
And there was no connection between Skoda and Tatra. Skoda was just ordered to make a rear engined car because everyone in europe did it. But the concept was already outdated when that decision was made
>>27540414
Very cool, great classic car for the money these days
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>>27550184
They drive beautifully too. Not for the boy racers obviously, but rather for someone who is looking for a gran tourer that isn't German made. The interior quality could've been better than the regular 406 sedan.

Here is one for sale in my country : https://www.mobile.bg/obiava-11639558878213624-peugeot-406-3-0i-v6-turbo-400-k-s

180.000km on the odometer, V6 Turbo, manual, SetantAnni interior, tasteful exterior modifications. Around 7000 dollars.
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>>27548396
>they are considered to be the finest automobiles ever made
by who, 110 year old boomers? they're glorified carriages you retard. And Bugatti was founded by an Italian man in Germany anyway.
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>>27534682
Is this hopium or are we actually getting it?

Big if true.
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>>27552550
>except the nsu prinz
The french were already using modern cv joints in the 50's and one of their people's car was already ff (the 2cv), so that was never a limitation. Just on the french side of things after the 60's you have renault a310, gta and a610, and most recently the mk3 twingo with smart underpinnings.

It's not that rr cars were ever a stop gap measure or outdated, it's that the casual consumer prefers the crosswind stability and large rear trunk space of a ff car.

As for skoda and tatra, the obvious connection there is that both are from the same country and thus are far more familiar with each others cars, and styling a more affordable car to resemble the more upmarket car is an obvious marketing move (mercedes/bmw/audi are experts on this). The rr design kept being popular in the eastern bloc well into the 90's, with the fiat 126 at the top.
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>>27552605
by people who actually know something about fine automobiles, not zoomer faggots with fart can Civics.
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>>27545016
The opening scene of the french movie "Subway" 1985 has the GTI road-going model of the 205.

That's really the only one I can think of.
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sweet rolling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTxKRP-U31I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAue64-FxOI
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They don't build them like they used to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEajYbvqJPo
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Too bad the company only made a profit by selling quadricycles, their first car was pretty interesting.
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Me and my wife's son's
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>>27557821
If it's an rc it can wag it's tail just fine.
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>>27557824
I sorely regret selling it
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>>27557830
I'm sure you do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qCmwCnNeMA
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>>27551140
3rd reason I assume is why Peugeot never produced any of the supercar concepts they showed to the publi
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>>27534548
Do you have a source for your pic ? I'd like to know.
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>>27551140
Toujours le suceur de service.
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>>27558373
Nope sorry. Feel like I got it from citroennet.org.uk but I've been trying to find it for you with no luck.
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>>27534732
>>27546437
checkem
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>>27549904
wtf are these prices??? in europe you can pick up a 1.1 for under 1k easily. under 500 if you don't mind getting a hooptie.
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>>27534506
I’m currently driving a 2023 Peugeot 3008.
Costed 40k new.
No idea how reliable it will be, but it has lots of neat ((tech)) and is actually decently fun to drive for a SUV.
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protip: get a tu5 motor car
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>>27558270
Yeah, Citroen and Renault too, the only way for them to actually produce their concept cars is if they need it to homologate their racing models.

I mean can you imagine the shame, the infamy, the sheer embarassement if the public in general found out that the futuristic supercar citroen designed for gran turismo that supposedly is powered by eco friendly hydrogen fuel cells is fully functional in real life, except it's powered by a ford racing v8?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wul18ULy6yQ
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>>27534936
came here to post this.
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>>27560776
also the fact that the french president actually used it as a limousine makes it even cooler
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>>27560781
macron is the most uncool motherfucker on the planet
also the car is fucking hideous, especially the rear end. I desperately want to like it because it's mechanically very cool but it truly is an ugly piece of shit
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>>27550739
>French electronics
Yeah, I hate this
t. frog car owner
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>>27534488
Kinda looks like an upscaled Vectra
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>>27547663
>Alpine
>Al Pine
They can't keep getting away with those calembours!

>>27547839
>>27547842
Absurdly beautiful.
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>>27560781
It's sad the french auto industry hasn't done anything more suitable since then.
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>>27561136
It's al-peen
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>>27534649
Ferdinand Piech drew the engine layout on an airplane napkin.
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>>27562732
Yeah, and al-peen your mom.
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>>27534936
A true gem of french engineering and thinking outside the box innovative cartesian spirit. Owning this one has been nothing but pleasure so far. Driving feels like gliding on waves, the comfort is unmatched and its look is both classic and timeless. Heads turn when I take it to the city. Women sit in it once and beg to be taken for a ride again after experiencing the backseat.
Perfect road trip car too, goes everywhere even on the worst countryside pothole galore roads , I could fall asleep cruising in it. The suspensions are still ahead of their time today.
Overall it's the quintessential Citroën with everything that made the brand the legend it used to be with models blessed by the general himself. It only made sense for the brand to die under Peugeot tyrany after going out in such a magnificent firework.
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>>27564271
>women sit in it [...]
They don't.
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Long travel, transverse mid engine 4wd, as all cars should be.
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>>27568310
Is this the car that Ari drove?
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>>27568496
He believe he drove the 205 t16 in group b rally and the 405 t16 in pikes peak, but not the zx rally raid specifically, even though it is the final evolution of those cars.
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>>27568951
Vatanen on the right
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>>27568310
I swear those rally Peugeots had the wackiest drivetrain layout. Apparently the gearbox came from the Citroën SM.
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>>27569209
Apparently it was the right combination because even Audi Sport was attempting to copy it in a mid-engine quattro before Audi executives got wind of it and shut it down.
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>>27569519
This thing? Kinda makes sense, Audi's FWD transaxles are very similar to the SM one, just running in the opposite direction.
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>>27569551
Yes and no, it was a Quattro Silhouette car that Audi Sport worked on in secret on the other side of the Iron Curtain (it was either Yugoslavia or Czechoslovakia I think).

They built a couple prototypes with a mid-engine layout, and tested them against their S1 E2. Executives found out, and immediately cancelled it. One of them personally witnessed the destruction of the cars (allegedly).
But that project influenced the Group S prototype in your pic.

Walter had stated that it was actually a magnificent car that was a step up over the quattros being raced in Group B.
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>>27569209
it's an FWD gearbox with an inverted casing
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Not a car that many people know about. The matra djet might be a contender for the first front mid-engine production car.

The body lines of this car are fascinating and the front and rear third view always make me pause and explore.
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>>27571896
I think was preceeded by the detomaso vallellunga by a few months, but that's only if you count post ww2 cars; many of the late xix/early xx century cars had a mid engine placed beneath the seats, like the benz motorwagen, the peugeot type 1 and the oldsmobile curved dash.

Either way, it was a pretty sophisticated car, born in a period where small scale fiberglass sports cars were flourishing everywhere like jide, chappe et gossalin, deutch et bonnet, and of course alpine.
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>>27572506
>>27571896
Correction, just looked it up and it turns out that while the detomaso preceds the matra djet, the bonnet djet it was based on was on sale a good 3 years earlier.
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>>27569209
Yeah, it's hilarious when you look at the engine bay and the engine is completely off to one side
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>>27572850
Aren't most transverse cars like this?
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>>27573217
Most have the engine significantly more centered.
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>>27573231
The wheelwell has probably something to do with it. Also, the engine block ends roughly around here.
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>>27573231
That´s because they offset the position of the differential to compensate, which has the disadvantage of making the driveshafts shorter (and lead to a lot of torque steer if they are left with uneven length).

If you want to max out suspension travel with long driveshafts you need the differentials in the center, and to do that with a transverse engine you either mount the engine above the transmission (austin mini, lamborghini miura, peugeot 104) or you offset the engine. Clearly, the later solution works.
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>>27554208
the 2cv is probably the champion of body roll.
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>>27539366
>>27540242
The 407 could not live up to the predecessor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YMVjzsxAr8
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>>27556022
Damn, they really ought to bring bank the tank logo because it's fucking badass.
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>>27578923
Association with war? In the current year?
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>>27534488
My issue with French cars is they just seemingly stopped making cool road-going versions of their race cars. Pic related would have absolutely cut into Evo and WRX sales just like how it cut into their WRC victories.
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>>27581231
Group b was the only time they made homologation road cars that matched the race cars, they skipped group a the only thing they did for wrc was to give the 206 oversized bumpers to satisfy minimum length requirements.

It probably doesn't help that the french market doesn't care about 4wd cars at all, you have to ask a specialist workshop to modify your car if you want a french offroader.
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Mega Monte Carlo
First versions had a Lamborghini v12 which was later replaced by a mercedes unit. All of them were 6 speed manual
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Also the Aixam-Mega Track: a humongous 4-seater 4wd supercar with adjustable ride hight for off-roading powered by a mercedes v12 mated to a 6speed manual
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>>27582350
Forgot pic
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>>27581231
I blame french taxes
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The only good looking thing to come out of this generation of megane
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>>27582353
They'll still build you a new one today if you contact them and send enough money.
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>>27582451
I think the wagon is pretty nice
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>>27582520
>enormous front overhang
>short rear overhang
>trunk side window is shorter than the door
>all that in a wagon
No, it's not, it's out of proportion.
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we're also forgetting this one.
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>>27581231
the Xsara Kit Car is FWD and the Xsara WRC debuted too late in the car's lifespan to justify making a turbo 4WD road-going version for a very limited market.

The Xsara VTS was a decent hot hatch but they probably could've made a more extreme version with a 6-speed, LSD and power bumped up into the 200bhp range - a bit like what Ford did with the Mk1 Focus RS
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>>27583774
The xsara vts is basically a peugeot 306 gti-6 with a 5 speed instead of a 6 speed. To bump the power significantly they´d need turbocharging like in the 405 t16, but they´d lose the n/a roar - the 206 rc had 180 hp, but ends up being similar to the 160hp in the xsara.
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>>27583754
Put together by a guy who owned a motorsport magazine because he thought the sportscars of the time were either too soft or too expensive, so he made a racing chassis powered by a 2l peugeot engine. It did sell well for what it was, but it wasn't exactly profitable.

I think the de la chappele roadster used same chassis without the roof, or at least it was made to look very similar.
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>>27550905
that small thing looks great anon
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>>27557821
isn't the 206 rc the first peugeot to use the THP engine? You did well selling it
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>>27586069
Pretty sure the THP came after, 206 RC is a 2l NA
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>>27586069
no, that would be the 207. 206 rc uses a 2 liter N/A engine with 180hp.
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Always liked pic related gen Megane, but i think they are pretty shit considering they used to be everywhere but are a rare sight nowadays. Same goes for that gen Laguna
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>>27588679
It's funny to realize that the engine is somewhere around here. Why don't they tip over?
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>>27588705
The engine is tilted back pretty significantly actually.
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>>27588710
>engine bay is so short the only way to fit the battery is sideways
Why do you people like these shiboxes again?
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>>27588722
That was Renault's "fuck anyone trying to work on this" phase, changing a headlight bulb on that gen Megane is done through the fucking wheel well.
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>>27588732
That's because of crumple zone requirements. Without them, even transverse engines had pretty accessible engine bays.
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>>27588776
Wonder how do these
>crumple zone requirements
force anyone to make the hood twice as short as in your pic?
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>>27588776
Nah, it's just Renault going full retard during those years. Here's a Golf from the same era with the same crash test scores.
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>>27588845
because everything in front of the hood is the bumper that´s attached to the main guard rail, while in the megane i it only went to the level below the front headlights.

The "fix" in the megane 3 and beyond was simply making the car longer (the laguna II had enough length to provide good acess), but back then they were trying to make the car space efficient.
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>>27588920
but that literally isn´t any better? the battery is even mounted sideways because there´s less width.
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>>27588920
>>27588710
On closer inspection, the only difference in terms of battery positioning seems to be the position of the engine ecu in the megane right next to the battery.
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>>27588947
The opening on the Golf is way bigger, pull that plastic cover off and you've got much easier access to everything on the engine. On the Megane you'd have to pull off the lock carrier or try to get at anything on the front of the block from underneath.
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>>27552100
I had that matchbox car as a kid and always wondered what it was since it had the bounciest suspension and a pick up style rear door
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>>27566135
We are not talking here about std ridden single mothers you are used to haul
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everyone is jealous of france
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I think they're neat
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>>27589098
But it's not French
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>>27588679
Just went to check if that generation RS is as cheap as a Focus ST (5cyl) right now because like you I always liked their look
There's a SINGLE R26 for sale in germany, and that one is RHD for some reason. They're all ded or sold to eastern europe it seems
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>>27590536
There's a decent number in Italy and France, judging by Leparking. Even a couple of R26.Rs.
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>>27589061
I'm not really jealous about the impôts, desu
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>>27582451
I knew I couldn't be the only one. They look much better in person for some reason.
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>>27591734
The US citizens pay on the average just as much taxes as the french. Only difference is their money is spent on the US' greatest ally.
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>>27544704
Seconded.
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>>27545980
>>27545967
Jewgatti oyveyron
>>27546007
Yeah, the frogs were the unmatched kings of the automotive and aerospace industry before 1910. What went wrong?
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>>27548396
Duesenberg is way better than anything made by stinky frogniggers
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>>27534506
Some Lancia. Like the boxy one with teh slanted front
>>27534584
Yeah or an Alpine.
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>>27592415
WW1 killed their most promising men.
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>>27592445
>lancia
>french



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