This is Tatra.
>air-cooled rear engine V8 sedan with 2x DOHC (4 camshafts)I KNEEL TO THE GOD THAT IS CZECH-DM
Built to ride.
>>27556469They've got the best ads.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR6-ReQR45E
>>27556469For me, it's the 603
>>27556469Tatra 613-3 is rather "brutalist" facelift of the original Vignale design, but it didn't really hurt the car.
>>27556573Between the aircooled rear engine, the swing axle and trailing arm suspension and the backbone chassis, these cars were a inspiration for many designers.
>>27558520Here in comparison, Tatra 613 Special for government officials, and top party members. Only like 40 left worldwide, and it was worth about 500k even back in the day.
There's a dealer in Slovakia that's selling a trio right now. They're complete and look fairly undamaged but surprisingly high mileage, 2 are at over 400k km
>>27560770i can fix her
>>27560770>over 400k kmWell, it was an executive car, and in Slovakia I can see them in government use not only well into '90s, but also in '00s.
>>27562716Definitely some kind of goverment fleet, or a state owned company of some sort. All 3 are identical, really basic spec and in the same condition. The blue one is lower mileage and less banged up, but they're all 5-6k each.Really tempting bc the paperwork of getting these to germany and registered is a non-issue for me, but I've never owned or worked on something that exotic. Might get stuck with lack of one spare part half way in, czech only repair/service documentation etc
>>27562730Not if I get it first, I got niggas in Slovakia, my pockets ain't empty yet and the commieboo fever is only worsening
>>27562760>ittry actually reading posts nigga
>>27562789Yeah, there's 3 of them, I could technically get the whole lot.
>>27562798yeah
>>27558716had the pleasure to see this IRL too bad i lost the photos its suprisingly big IRL and super roomy inside plus its really cool to see the craftsmanship irl
This is Matra
>>27563268Where?
>>27563268That is a post with no image.This is Matra.
This is Setra
This is Valtra
>>27564365>not posting the DjetIt's like you don't even like Matra
This is Tatra
>>27567309One of four, from initial hundred planned. Recently, there is an attempt to restart the production, and build ten more.
Madness?This is Tatra!
>>27569113F2?
>>27569276https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCXEhf1pYtwF1, actually.
>>27569113>>27569851Pat and Mat had a side gig in f1, i seegimi
>>27570191Tatra is carnivorous species. When you lower your guard down around one, you only have yourself to blame.
>>27570191The most bizarre fact about Taki Inoue is, that the Tatra accident was the SECOND time that season he was hit by a safety car. After suffering a mechanical failure during qualifying for the Monaco GP, his Footwork Arrows car was being towed back to the pits, in which Inoue was sitting with his seatbelts unbuckled, but still with his helmet on. Somehow, the organization failed to notify everyone in the paddock of it. So what happened is, after qualifying concluded, the famous Jean Ragnotti went out to set some hotlaps in the Safety Car for that event, a Renault Cilo Williams Maxi, and thus, near the end of the lap, came across Inoue's towed Footwork and rear ended it. This rolled the Footwork over, and actually ejected Inoue from the towed car. Good thing he was wearing his helmet, since he was still fit enough to start the Grand Prix the next day.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58ETMy0OP1g
>>27570383>The most bizarre fact about Taki Inoue is, that the Tatra accident was the SECOND time that season he was hit by a safety carKek,i know that story, at this point one could wonder if Taki is genuinely cursed
>>27570261>Tatra is carnivorous speciesIndeed it is, the T87 supposedly killed more German officials than active combatIt might be a meme but i read somewhere that 7 officers killed themselves in one week due to the OG snap oversteer car
>>27562760you that suomi škoda anon?
>>27570436Everybody is talking about black Volga, but for many people the last thing that they saw in their life, might have actually been black Tatra
>>27570436An unwitting journalist found out that it was a bit more than a meme, although it was also a demonstration of how the stiffness and grip of modern tires can overwhelm a suspension that wasn´t designed to cope with it. https://www.hagerty.com/media/car-profiles/the-death-eaters-chapter-1-tatra-t87/
>>27572073He should be the fuckin tatra next, its the ultimate eastern european car
>>27574552the škona anon needs a tatra: maluch 2101 kopeika and Zaporozhetsand he will have the commie grailsyeah he could also go for chaika but those are basically unobtanium by now especially chaika 14
>>27572073Perhaps >>27574552>>27574679I need to get my current shit together, along with my KMZ&IMZ Urals and some of the Izh bikes I have.I've been thinking about grabbing myself a 408 Moskivch or a Wartburg as my next project car, but a Tatra has always been on the list.
>>27574697Man I fuckin love 24 volgasi should get 1 one day and turn it into a fake KGB volga with a v8but for now ill stick to my italian shitboxes
Might be difficult to find zaporozhets (jalta) without importing.n Finland in 1965, Jalta cost 4,290 marks, or 7,660 euros (in 2013, factor 1.7855).The functionality of Yalta was presented by organizing a trip of a few cars from Finland to Yalta on the Crimean peninsula, where the distance accumulated was more than 2,500 kilometers.In the first few market years in Finland, Jalta sold quite well, but after that sales dropped. In 1965 and 1966, more than 500 Yaltas were registered in Finland per year, but after that sales declined due to technical problems and a bad reputation [3]. In 1967, less than 100 cars were sold, and the following year only 10. In its best years, a total of slightly more than 1000 Yaltas were on the roads of Finland.At the end of 1969, 973 Jalta cars were registered in Finland. As a brand, it was also rare from the point of view that none of them were registered as vans.
>>27574727I know a guy, his zapo is an absolute piece of shit though, suspension was completely shot and the engine was making suspicious sounds.Back then I wasn't as autistic as I was nowadays and my skills in commie shit weren't as honed. Nowadays I probably could turn it into a running, driving car, but parts availability is a massive issue.Back then you could get them from Ukraine, nowadays I wouldn't be so sure about it
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>>27574697I saw a ukrainian motorcycle on facebook recently, i think it was called dnepr or something. You grabbing it? Cant find a link rn sadly
>>27576778I technically have one already.I have a 1955 KMZ that is the predecessor of the Dnepr.
>>27570436>random giant Coke banner
>>27556469Czechoslovakian technology was really interesting. One can only wonder what kind of stuff they could be capable of making if they were not always cucked by the West or the East.The VW Beetle design was stolen from Tatra.The automatic motorcycle clutch that made Honda extremely popular was stolen from Jawa.CZ was first to put expansion chambers on two-stroke motorcycles. They also make cool guns.Besides being a pioneer in innovative car technology, Tatra made some really cool trucks.Praga made one of the best off-road trucks of all time and also some cool old cars.Skoda made quirky rear-engined cars that had impressive potential and Skoda was arguably the best automaker in the Soviet Union.Sadly, all of those companies were bought out by international corporations and now they just sell rebaged globohomo junk.
>>27576910Czechoslovakia also had their own computer and electronics companies, appliances, etc., that tended to be significantly better than what was found in the rest of the Soviet Union.
>>27576910Czech tech innovations got kneecapped when they were forcibly assimilated in the USSR after WW2. >>27576915They fought hard to have some degree of autonomy in the USSR, they were the most independent and western-sympathetic member. Soviets on multiple occasions had to send their army in and threaten total martial law to prevent anti-soviet rebellions. This also reflected in their economy where they didn't have to fully comply with the Russian command economy.
>>27576910Also first production DOHC V8 engine, like 2 decades before the japs with their whatever the lexus belt driven thing was
>>27577061I think the alfa romeo montreal and the pegaso z-102 have the tatra 613 beat, although it gets points for being aircooled. The t77 engine has the biggest valve rockers i've ever seen on a car engine though.
>>27577075those are big boysAlfa 33 stradale released in 69 had DOHC 2,0 V8
>>27556773>V8 commie shitboxthose Czechs were up to something
>>27576910F
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>>27577109Tatras were no mere shitboxes though, they vere some of the very best in luxury the commies had
This is a pretty interesting article about RR sedans and prototypes:https://www.curbsideclassic.com/curbside-classics-european/big-rear-engined-four-door-cars-part-2-european-efforts/Interesting to know that the tatra forebear, the rumpler trofenwagen, had a mid engine and a real 0.28 Cd, while the most aerodynamic tatra as verified by a full scale wind tunnel is the 0.3 Cd t600 tatraplan (the t87 in reality has a 0.36 Cd).
>>27577229This. Lada Riva is a shitbox, Skoda Estelle even more so. Tatra was always an executive car, and you would only get to buy one after the fall of Czechoslovak communist regime.
>>27577320>Skoda Estelle even more so.No no no no it's a perfectly adequate daily driver not a shitbox;_;
The cooling system on the 603 race car is a literal musical instrument and was using exhaust gas to suck air way before adrian newey made it popular in f1, the only problem with it is that it´s too loud for a luxury sedan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBiSJWAKSp4
>>27577370I get it, you love your shitbox, but it's a shitbox alright lol. Even back in 1976, it was long overdue, and ended up only as a facelift of Skoda 100, which itself was just a facelift of Skoda 1000 MB.
>>27579795And that's why it's such a good car, tried and true technology, the same engine was more or less used till the 2000s
>>27579869Tried by time maybe, but not because it was so good, but because everything else got cancelled. For example, Skoda 720 was in development since 1967, so a whole decade before they went with yet another facelift of MB.
>>27580031Yeah I'm aware that communist and everything else meddling muddied the waters for Škoda.The 742 was also supposed to be FWD at some point, but again the soviets threw a fit that it was too advanced
>>27580048Might be even worse. I heard a version of the tale, where Skoda 720 actually got approved by the Kremlin, but when in early '70s all competent managers got replaced by talking heads, they got afraid that releasing such an advanced and competitive car so early after the invasion would upset the soviets. So not the Soviet Union, but spineless cowards that got in charge during the Normalization, killed the car.
>>27556469what the fuck is this. i have never heard of a rear engine sedan, a V8 tooI KNEEL
>>27580525>all aluminium hemi-V8>aircooled>DOHC>czech>works fine as an ambulanceIt's pretty wild
>>27580558how the fuck they made rear engined ambulance?
>>27580567guarantees warm feet I guessBut above and over the engine is just the right height for sliding the stretcher in, honestly don't see a problem with this
>>27580451Yeah there's a lot of tall tales about corruption, lack of funds, Soviet meddling and whatelse killing the cars, everyone is blaming everyone else
>>27580574Well, after learning about the botched mass production of Tatra 600 in Skoda factory, that effectively killed the car, I wouldn't really rule out anything. There was also the whole mess with Skoda 760.
>>27576910>CZCzech-owned>TatraCzech-owned>PragaCzech-owned
>>27576910Didn't Tatra win at least one truck Dakar or I'm confusing them with KAMAZ?
>>27581496Tatra won 6 times in the truck category, meaning that up to 2005 they were the brand with most victories, and since then they were only surpassed by kamaz.
>>27580567by raising the deck height? You can stay standing if enter through the side door. The vw kombi is also rear engined and that also has plenty of space inside.
Rare! Tatra 603A
>>27582481Ambulance version
>>27556469Thank you for making this thread, OP. You did good. :)
>>27582481looks like something made in automation
>>27580558i need it
Tatra 603-2 B5 Marathon and its interesting exhaust system designed to help with engine cooling
>grandpa was a chauffeur in the ČSSR>spend his time driving around important people in high end tatrastfw I'll never get to drive one
>>27573883>An unwitting journalist found out that it was a bit more than a memeI meant the "killed more German officials than active combat" claim, i can absolutely believe that a pre war RR car can be tricky to drive given that i know several people that managed to spin underpowered beetles and fiat bambinos so no wonder they did that earlier in a much more powerful car
>>27586209Ironically having more power doesn´t cause the problem, it helps against it. The issue here is that the suspension arrangement can either handle braking or turning, but not both at the same time. The test that rolled the car was precisely the worse case scenario, which is a decreasing radius turn with a trailing brake. If the rear starts to lift, the best course of action is precisely to go full throttle to put it back down, even if you have to drift through the corner.
>>27584567Nice
>>27556773
>>27556469A splendid vehicle that I was previously unaware of.Thanks OP!.
>>27577169
Tatra 613 GTH, one of a kind racing special that ended up as a safety car on Hungaroring
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For me, it's the Grafit
>>27558716>rear engine>the swing axleNo wonder those cars were death traps.
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>>27563268no, this. is. SPARTAAA
>>27594455Wartburg thread is the next door
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsOMCLZtZ84
For me, it's Tatra JK 2500
>>27594715honestly this just looks like unfinished aventador relica.>>27594003this kinda looks like dollar store countatch.>>27595441ooo kino>>27582261i guess that makes sense then.
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>>27576687>>27577169>>27591336>>27596638>PolicieWhat is that?
>>27596696Something that makes the commies seethe
>>27596696policie is policie
>>27600086Shame that only four of these got build
>>27579869the OHV engine was used from 1964 to 2003 crazy right and it was designed with cheapest as possible mentalityfor what was possible the NDR and Czechoslovak cars were best in the soviet union everything else you could buy was basically made under modified license from Italian or something that was reverse engineered US car with an engine from a truck
>>27604906Too bad the original one got destroyed in a car crash
I like this thread
>>27608329Beautiful
>>27609240wtf that's the same image I was going to post but it exceeded the file size limit and I was too lazy to reformat
naming your car is cringe as fuck
>>27609961Tatra is one of the oldest car companies in the world, dumbassNext time go be funny in Mercedes thread
>>27610899>muh defunct econobox companyreddit, just like saab
>>27610902>defunct econobox companySo you are retarded, thanks for clarification
>>27609957Czechs have just restored another one of these beauties recently.
>>27611310oopsie
>>27612855Another one? Good girl!*rubs belly*
>>27576910>The VW Beetle design was stolen from TatraTruly a tragedy
>>27615125the inspiration wasn't from that tatra. But to be fair to ferdinand porsche, he did a LOT more cars than just the beetle.
>>27615181Doesn't matter what inspired him, when the result was Hitler killing off the poor Tatra 97, to not compete with his "volkswagen", and after the war Czechs simply continued with the production of Tatra 87, along with smaller and cheaper Tatra 57, sealing the fate of baby Tatra for good.
>>27616098No. The only patent infringements were about some cooling system details, other than that Porsche, Ledwinka and Gans were mostly working side by side on similar cars. (the same way a few companies were developing similar skateboard chasssis-style EV just a few years ago)The Beetle's general design and engineering was already done a few years before.What killed the Beetle's forebearers form Standart, Tatra, NSU and Zündapp was simple economics. Nobody was willing take the risk of investing money into a mass produced, all-new, all-steel economy car with small margins. Most companies simply abandonend their plans, Tatra focused on larger cars which allow for bigger profits per car.
>>27616306Tatra was working on a communist economy, they weren´t allowed to develop a mass produced economy car even if they wanted to (the t600 was very much a modernized t97) because the government had already given the task to another company and told them to just make trucks. They only managed to make the 603 because there was a shortage of high end cars for government officials and they weren´t willing to wait in line like the rest of the rabble.
>>27616390And even the cars they were allowed to design were made in the AZNP/Škoda factory.Not that that was a bad thing. Škodas were basically the best people's cars the east had. Most of the rest were Fiats, after all.
>>27616390>Tatra was working on a communist economyOnly after 1948 ya dingus
>>27616545It's not that skoda was a bad company, it's just a matter of pride in that tatra didn't want other companies building their cars much like skoda didn't want to build cars that weren't skodas.>>27616569Hitler did stop t97 production after invading the czech, but that was to avoid awkward comparisons; production of the cheaper, front engined t75 wasn't stopped. The t97 may have been a low cost t87, but it was still far upmarket of the cost conscious kdf wagen, it's not fair to see them as direct rivals.
>>27616390Tatra 107/600 was smaller than 87, but still larger than 97, and also got a slightly longer wheelbase.>>27616545Except that moving to Skoda factory actually doomed Tatra 600, because while they could build them in larger numbers the quality dropped significantly. So foreign market lost interest, and domestically they were only assigned to government, party officials, and state owned companies. Not to mention that Bohemian Skoda workers didn't really liked the Moravian cuckoo on their assembly line.
>>27576910>Skoda was arguably the best automaker in the Soviet UnionPretty sure that Czechoslovakia was not part of the USSR and Lada Samara was much better and more progressive car than Skoda Favorit. Even the Germans admitted this in the late 80s when testing both cars
>>27616958Ladas were always one step higher in the hierarchy, so Favorit is like VW Polo, where Samara is the Golf
>>27616958Depends on the reviewer.https%3A%2F%2Fwww.autocar.co.uk%2Fcar-news%2Fthrowback-thursday-1990-skoda-favorit-vs-lada-samara-vs-yugo-sana
>>27616958That's a Spanish magazine
The front engined tatras deserve some love too.
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>>27619553nice
>>27577075It's a evolution of their v12 valvetrain arrangement.
