What makes people dismiss cool and fast cars as cars for minorities? Is this shitbox driver tears or something else?
>>27565316Stereotypes exist for a reason. I mostly see blacks in chevys and dodges. Ford is for whites.
>>27565316They can't afford one probably
>>27565316>want thing>can't acquire thing because failed at life and poor>can't cope >convince yourself that you actually don't want the thing because the thing is "only for (insert demographic)"you're only truly a white heterosexual male if you drive a hand me down 2009 beige ford taurus you got from your uncle and one of the tires is a different brand. if you have a nice car or a truck then it's because you're black or mexican or asian or a woman or a jew or gay. i'm not those things so therefore i neither have nor aspire to have a nice car. now i feel validated and vindicated in the poor decisions i've made in life that led me to be a 28 year old virgin living in a small apartment making $13/hr
>>27565316jealousy, they are not into cars so they don't see why others show interest in muscle cars>>27565435a muscle car cost the same as a minivan or similar to a sedan. They could get one but are too scared or think it will use too much fuel or whatever. Doesn't stop them being salty.
>>27565316anon you must not know anything about that car and dodge as a brand. look up "subprime lending"
>>27565316Don’t take this board seriously. There’s some guy acting like hot shit over driving on 22 year old tires.
>>27565316The goal is to minimize association and economic support of niggers. You buy dodge, you feed nigger babies. It's that simple. How many niggers do you think were involved in the development and manufacturing of the McLaren f1 or t.50?
>>27565492What does this have to do with whether or not the cars are cool
>>27565773a car can be cool from a distance but you may not want to own that model yourself for various reasons.the challenger is > fast> reasonably reliable > good looking > comfortable for 4 passengers > nice amount of trunk space > feature ladenthe challenger is also > a boat, it handles well enough for what it is but gets mogged by the mustang and camaro > old as dirt in 2024, its been made nearly unchanged since 2018> because its the same car from 6 years ago, theres almost no reason to buy new, except: > owned primarily by minorities and subhumans because Chrysler Capital will finance anyone with a pulse. said subhumans will almost always beat the piss out of them, meaning the screaming deal you got on a 32k mile 392 is a ticking time bomb> the subhumans that cant afford these themselves will simply steal them, beat the piss out of them, and abandon them in an alley> preventative theft measures like a razor or fuel pump killswitch dont stop someone with a flatbed from just rolling it away> for these reasons insurance on them is much higher than camaros/mustangs in my area cool car, not worth the effort of owning one.
>>27565456This kek
ITT: wiggas coping
>>27565456>>27565435>Bc they are losers who cant afford itSince when has not being able to afford these cars stopped anyone from getting them? Niggers are well known for being broke and they get these expensive nigger cars anyway.
>caring for people's opinions I have fun reading these posts sitting here with 700+ HP under my right foot.
>>27565316They're still sort of cool but oversaturated on the roads like fuck. I wouldn't take a loan out for a car that you'd see 20 times just from your 20 minute commute to work, I don't care how fast it is I'd feel like an NPC in one.
>>27566439>>27566468Lol is that you?
>>27566476This is me
People who care about stereotypes and how they are perceived by others are the most pathetic, effeminate subhumans.
>>27566439>700hp>5000lb carShould've bought a corvette:/ 20 year old corvette and a $5k supercharger = 650hp / 3200lbs Stay in the right lane
>>27566485>being disingenuous about not caring what others think while paying a premium for a car that's outclassed by 30 year old vehiclesShow me them teef grills dawg.
>>27566492I'm not an incel. Wanted a car that would fit the whole family.If I were a loner like all of these copers ITT worried about people's opinions, I would have gone gen 2 ZB II convertible. I still want one but ran out of garage spaces.
>>27566506Cope, your mind is nigger this nigger that. Pathetically mindbroken by niggers.
>>27566532Dude that must be the brainwashed BBC people from /b/ roaming on other boards. I kid you not, get any of these "nigger car" people here, put them on the seat of a 392, they are going to cum inside their pee pee cages.>zomg the captcha... it must be (((them)))
>>27566519Yeah your 2 door v6 is real practical Any more copes?
>>27566562What is it about money that makes a nigga soft and effeminate?
>>27565837What does literally anything in the second part of your post have to do with the car being cool or not other than the handling, tons of cars are beat to shit on the secondary market, just fix them or look for a better example
>>27566559Try fitting two built United State Air Force personnel in the backseat of a Camaro or Mustang.
>>27566594>built United State Air Force personnel
>>27565316Because they are angry on some level that the "plebs" are allowed to have fast things so they try to convince themselves that such vehicles are low brow and lesser in som. way.
>>27565316Minority is a state of mind.
>>27566468how did he do it? its not fair
>>27566594Lord, I don't ask for much, but Sarahntuned in my backseat, please and thank you.Also anybody got a number for a detailer guy? Gonna be gallons of coom in the interior
>>27565578How many niggers do you think are involved in the development and manufacturing of a Chrysler?
>>27566986Does she still has the pp on?
>>27567031Ralph Gilles is a black man and he's been head of styling since about 2003 (he was also on the viper and prowler design teams)
>>27567151Nah he gets a pass
>>27567054Yes. Fuck yes
>>27565840>"black folk"
>>27565435Who can't afford it? you can get a brand new 23' charger RT for less then most shitty hatchbacks
>>27565421Fords are GAY as FUCK
>>27567530WTF how are they so cheeep
>>27566982he didn't. its fairly common for a nigger to go get a challenger, or really anything with a hellcat motor in it at insane interest rates. he probably wont make any payments and in 3 months a tow truck will slide in to his ghetto at 0530 and jack it. then itll get new tires, washed, and sold to the next nigger
>>27567530Lies. That's like a 1 in a 1000 deal
>>27565421Chevys and Dodges are far cooler than Ford.I think this is one of those things where those on the low and high end of the IQ spectrum agree that Challengers are sick as fuck, and the middle IQ white redditor types think theyre bad.Even as a WN, I have to say that blacks have on average better taste in cars than the average white person. Dodges, BMWs, Infinitis all look and drive amazing. No clue why dumb people are relegating these brands to black people
>>27567896>1 in a 1000Quite literally not, there are many dozens available. Some dealers in Florida just have tons sitting on the lots. Nothings stopping you from flying down and getting one, or having it shipped.
>>27567972The problem is that niggers, while they may have good taste, also enjoy stealing If you have something a nigger wants, he wont hesitate to steal it from you
>>27566568>just fix them or look for a better exampleand then have a nigger steal it?good jokejust get a mustang and a nigger wont steal it for fear of the long arm of the (white) law coming after him
>>27565316fuck challengers look so sexyany time I see one, especially in black, I have to take a good look.they're literally the last accessible good-looking car in existence, what a shame they were discontinued.
>>27568295>"Having nice things is pointless because people might steal them!"You must live one hell of a joyless life.
>>27568439But anon, I live in a white area, in a white town, in a white county.If I go into the city, I dont take my nice car ;)
>>27568445Cope posting as a result of prior bad opinion.
>>27568448>i dont take my nice things to bad places>COPE! YOURE COPING! THIS IS COPE!try not being a nigger for once in your life, anon.
>>275670311 too many, I'm not buying it
>>27566547I am one of the people who calls a nu-Challenger a nigger car (which it is). I own a second generation Barracuda. It makes 400 horsepower.>Nu-Challenger 392 power-to-weight: 0.113>My Barracuda 328 power-to-weight: 0.121LolLmao evenimagine being mogged by a car 50 years your senior
>>27568453Why would you post saying that it's bad because people might steal it then, either one post is cope or the other is cope
>>27568476>Barracuda 328...huh?
>>27568560318 overbored .060 replacing a tired 273 Commando but otherwise built basically identical to the 273 Commando it replaced with the same rev happy characteristics but with some extra cubes for streetability.
>>27568564...So you're comparing a modded car to a factory car in a completely different class? How is this a mog?
>>27568585Hardly modified, the rest of the car is stock. You also have to remember that the 340s and 383s from the later years could make the same if not more power, so these still mog.
>>27568597...And? It's a modded engine in a completely different car class. This isn't a mog.
>>27568601Whoa dude it's almost like the stock block I had in it was cracked when I tried to rebuild it and I couldn't find a 273 Commando block to replace it, so I decided I'd get the first regular 273 or 318 I could find and build it to Commando spec... So the first one I found for a good price that wasn't cracked was a 318 previously serviced to .040 so a reboring to .060 brought up the displacement slightly, but then otherwise having it setup exactly the same as the original engine so far during dyno runs is showing a healthy 401 horsepower.>modifiedYeah I basically just replaced the block with a block with the exact same stroke but slightly higher bore because my old block was cracked and I couldn't find one. "Modified" my ass.
>>27568605>400 HPYes anon, that's modified. You even stated the mods that you did to it. It is a modified engine.It's fine to say that you like your car more than modern cars or whatever, but you have to understand that a modified engine in a purposefully-lighter car on a purposefully-lighter chassis that is not considered to be the same class of car as your completely stock and unmodified comparison is a very stupid comparison.
>>27568476>power to weight ratioSince when is this a mog and not, like, the actual relative speed or quickness of the cars
>>27568609>purposefully lighter car on a purposefully lighter chassis my 3,309lb stock Barracuda begs to differ, and the engine is still built to the same specs as the 273 it replaced so it's not modified. Cope.
>>27568609>My pigfat muscle car isn't a real muscle car therefore you shouldn't try to compare it to a real muscle car because it isn't FAIR aaaa save me jannyman??? what?
>>27568616I own a classic Challenger with a modified 440 in it.This is a stupid comparison.
>>27568546you have niggerbrain iq
>>27569806So you don't have a reason?
>>27567972it's thisthe challenger is a car with a timeless, world-recognized shape and is inexpensive and infinitely customizable, it's not actually marketed toward any particular group but minority groups love it because it looks like the square body american cars they or their parents grew up in while driving like the european cars they aspired to own back then, and it's common and accessible.for white people it's similar but we link the overall state of society to how cars look and so the challenger is more of a general nostalgic time machine, and whites who don't have the point of reference won't "get" what makes the car so special. they just see it as a lame retro styled, overweight slab of car much like the pt cruiser.people who "get" cars like it and people who follow the rule of cool like it, only midwit wikipedia browsers seem to have terrible things to say.
>>27567530>>27568197You say this as if every time someone asks for car recs on here their budget isn't half of these prices or lower.
>>27566492Is this some kind of /o/ meme because I see people say this shit for literally any car
Can I just buy a car I like? Is that cool?
>>27572667Obviously not anon. If everything that you do does not meet the approval of the denizens of boards dot four chan dot org slash oh, you are in fact gay, likely trans, and, quite possibly, a black person.
>>27572864....fuck
>>27565316>>27565421Stereotypes aren't given, they're earned
>>27568613good questions always go unanswered on this board
>>27572667The Council(bus riders on this Tibetan car appreciation board) must unanimously agree that it's cool first.
Well for one I left do not care about horsepower bench racing but getting a challenger or charger with a V8 where I live is a literal death wish. I wouldn’t be able to sleep without worrying about the thing or being followed by lunchtime rowdies
>>27565316>What makes people dismiss cool and fast cars as cars for minorities?I thought it was established to drive whatever you want.
>>27572648The Corvette is one of the few cars where a few thousand in bolt-ons create the boomer-killer. The insurance rates are low due to that as well. Der Boomer spends his whole life accruing easy wealth and the moment he feathers the throttle on a high output car, his life flashes before his eyes as his retirement savings and investments instantly vaporize in his mind. They drive them slow and safe as a result.
>>27566594>Try fitting two built United State Air Force personnel in the backseat of a Camaro or Mustang.Go Navy for that instead. The girls are way fitter, and the government diet makes them grow monstrous asses. I've also noticed that they all seem to enter the service already tattooed up on all extremities.
>>27568197>Some dealers in Florida just have tons sitting on the lots.I think it's priced that way because of one reason: It's not a Hellcat. It's more than what most people need but they want the Hellcat, or even a Demon.
>>27568476And yet my BMW SUV will mog you, come back around and do it again.
>>27574305Anyone who describes their "mog" via power/weight ratio rather than a top speed or race time is not mogging anybody anyway.
>>27565435Neither can minorities.
>>27574512Lol this is some never-before-seen cope
>>27574560By "minorities" he means black people anon. Wow crazy look at that
>>27574560minorities live 20 to household
>>27574780like pottery
>>27565316Not everyone is like that, anon.Some people couldn't care less about stereotypes and just want to enjoy something nice.My criteria to get a new car was:-something 2 door (eliminates most things)-manual (eliminates even more things)-something good for road trip (very few cars left here already because I wanted real trunk space)-something I can still take my kids and wife in (nothing left but the Chally at this point)
>>27576053i love how the chally has its own little niche of people who want a reliable sports car but need it to do normal car stuff, for which you'd have to spend twice, maybe three times as much on a comparable european or japanese car that doesn't look anywhere near as cool as the challengertruly a god machine
>>27576073>i love how the chally has its own little niche of people who want a reliable sports car but need it to do normal car stuffWhat people don't realize is that this is literally what muscle cars are. They're cars made for a middle class/family lifestyle that are intended to have performance characteristics. I had put together an entire post a while back arguing this point. The entire reason behind their existence was to cater to a growing group of people who had the money to splurge on a high-performance car but didn't have the money to buy a *dedicated* high-performance car. The result was thus a market of cars that emerged that catered towards a desire for performance but also a desire for middle-class utility, hence the muscle car.A dedicated sports car doesn't let you pick up your friends or your kids due to lack of back seats. A dedicated sports car doesn't let you pick up groceries or carry luggage due to a lack of trunk space. Meanwhile, your average family coupe or sedan didn't have the ability to effectively accelerate or hit high speeds on the freeway like a sports car could. Muscle cars married these two ideas in larger packages that required larger motors for the sake of performance and affordability.Muscle cars are and were always intended to be sports cars large enough to have middle-class social and familial utility. They were even advertised and referred to as "sports cars" in the 60's and 70's (pic related). The term "muscle car" only caught on later.
>>27574512And yet apparently somehow they all have one and you don't.Why is that anon?
>>27575329There was another hate thread earlier today and that one got deleted lmao, they really can't handle it
>>27576073>>27576196you guys definitely aren't in aus. here fun muscle cars with the features you talk about are as much as the high end luxury/performance cars
>>27568476Hellcat is .170.But dude, let’s not delve in contempt for we are brothers in the Mopardom.We should unite and criticise Ford owners instead.
>>27565316You won't have it for long, only a matter of time before a "minority" steals it and VIN swaps it.
>>27576776It's the same in the US in the modern era, but I was speaking about America in a historical context in that other thread. I actually don't even know what modern muscle cars Australia has, if any.
>>27565316White people ruined Lexus. They don't even offer gold badging anymore.
>>27576928you also forgot to mention that insurance is ridiculously high for them as well becaus eof the theft, and if the car is stolen is will be chopped and you wont find it ever again. just get a Mustang or a Camaro, especially since chrysler is completely sunsetting the charger/challengers in order to go with the newer charger and wont support the old models
>>27576971old people ruined it by turning it into a SUV brand. thankfully Akio's turbo autism keeps them making cars
>>27576975>chrysler is completely sunsetting the charger/challengers in order to go with the newer charger and wont support the old modelsIs this really going to matter anytime soon? The aftermarket scene for current Chargers/Challengers is massive and the cars are still obscenely popular and I can't fathom that aftermarket ending any time soon considering that there are muscle cars from the 60's that still have massive aftermarkets.
>>27576928What is this per? Month? Year?
>>27576977Will Lexus make a fast car ever again or are they too afraid of upsetting their LGTBBQAIDS+ boomer segment?
>>27577664This chart looks like it would just map onto general US ownership trends.
They're the actual tiny-peepee-mobiles. At least big trucks are capable of doing some work. Muscle cars just exist to compensate.
>>27578516>nice things just exist to compensateDo you live in a featureless grey box, anon? Honestly, I think every car is just overcompensation. Take the bus instead, it's a far more efficient way of getting to work.
>>27570136I used to hate the PT Cruiser but the more I got into cars the more based it became.
>>27580540at least until it comes time to work on it
>>27580785I don't own one, just admire from afar.
>>27576928>"you shouldn't own nice things because they could get stolen!"
>>27582390>Nice thingsDude, we're talking about Chrysler here
>>27566484Post his Mongoloid ex-wife and son.
Anotha one>>27582978
>>27584484Smells like cope
>>27574560How many Indian-, Filipino-, Japanese-, Taiwanese-Americans do you see driving Challengers?
>>27588733If >>27576073 is anything to go off of the Japanese love them.
>>27589475He said Americans.
>>27566417Most whites have enough forethought to understand that financing a hellcat at 27% isn't viable. While I encourage debtmaxxing to some people depending on their circumstances it'd be unwise for most people.
>>27589807Japan is the 52nd state
>>27567566repos that haven't been reconditioned
>>27565456I hate grapes. Go ahead and eat your stupid grapes, while I enjoy this delicious apple
>>27568476>Your barracuda 0-60: 8 secondsLOL
>>27576975>insurance is ridiculously highI just did a quote for a hellcat and it's $289 a month. Not insanely bad but pretty bad. I have a terrible driving record, as an aside. So it might be cheaper for other people.
>>27591542how do you repossess a new car
>>27591560You just know anon looked up the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times before frantically cold-sweat googling the power to weight ratio in a last-ditch attempt
>>27566439This is almost as good as the station wagon version
>>27576975Camaros are just as easy to steal
>>27591560>Googling the severely underrated numbers the corpos shat out to appease insurance companies of the dayLolBest time I got at the strip was 5.7s on radial T/As... And last I checked that's faster than a base 392 so shove it, faggot
>>27594965>5.7sLOL>And last I checked that's faster than a base 392LOL
>>27594965who wants to tell 'im folks
>>27568295>and then have a nigger steal it?Get a manual.
>>27595083>>27595814Isn't it funny how the original comment specifically was about putting normies in a base model 392, but now suddenly it's been upgraded to an SRT 392 all for the sake of bench racing? Tranny level mental illness.
>>27565421>blacks want something that will be cheap if they have to get something fixed>whites want something they can regularly fix themselvesMakes sense.
>>27595918>base model 392>SRT 392Was there lead paint in the house you grew up in?They have the exact same engine and 0-60 you dumb fucking nigger. "SRT package" is brakes and handling bullshit
>>27594965What drag strip measures 0-60? 60ft time sure.
>>27595918OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NOHE GETS DUMPSTERED BY THE PENTASTAR
>>27596155Source on these clearly wrong figures?
>>27596503>NO NO NO NO! THE NUMBERS MUST BE FAKE!! T-THERE'S NO WAY MY BARRACUDA COULD LOSE TO A NU-CHALLENGER! ARRREEEEEEGHHH!!!!
>>27596503Extreme cope
>>27596054I had the SRT 392 before the Hellcat. True.Only big difference is the meat, 275 is default in the SRT and it helps a lot getting out of the hole.Scat Packs needed the performance package. Widebodies already come with massive 305s.
>>27596037...I thought the joke was that Ford does nothing but break down all the time.
N words bought Hellcats with PPP loan fraud during covid. That's why this stereotype came to be.
>>27596155>>27596675Man I do not trust Doge's 0-60 times. Straight cap fr frI took a Challenger R/T 5.7 and did 0-60 pulls at zero elevation in Death Valley, was getting like mid 5-second range. Maybe if you had perfect drag strip at exactly zero elevation, with superglue all over the fucking tires and road.Manufacturers shouldn't be allowed to advertise unrealistic 0-60's that aren't achievable without a multi-gorillion dollar Guinness World Records prep setup. They should only list 0-60 averaged on generic street conditions
>>27597785even on the 0-60 times website that everyone on this site uses for benchracing that guy's barracuda loses to a 392 despite his claims
>>27596675>>27596839I'm not a MoTard. But there's no way in hell 260lb-ft moves 3900lbs that quick off the line. Look at any instrumented testing, they run in the 6s.
>>27596070Most people measure it themselves with a timer or an app
>>27565421I only ever see basketball americans and mudsharks driving dodge and chryslers.
car companies think they know who will drive their cars, but then the actual customer base can be completely different>dodge challenger/charger>car for lower middle class white people who hate japanese shitboxesdrug dealers buy them>kia soul>car for millenials and older zoomers who want something funky and individualistic, practical and cheapboomers buy them to feel young
>>27597785>Manufacturers shouldn't be allowed to advertise unrealistic 0-60'sAll the times match Car & Driver and other similar reviewers. The trick is almost all reviews don't add in the 1' rollout time. Car & driver is actually nice enough to mention this if you look closely so (they say 0.3 seconds), so add that to any time you see on the 0-60 website and it'll be more realistic.
>>27596675>ask for source >posts another image without source accompanied by autistic screeching Legitimate retard?
>>27599061the only legitimate retard is the guy thinking his 60's one-trim-above-povertybox is gonna smoke a 392
>>27599080Nobody cares about MoTard infighting and it has nothing to do with that guy(you) not citing the image while going full retard.
>>27599090cite my nuts
>>27599093I don't have a microscope handy.
>>27599093See>>27596839
>>27599100guess you won't be able to see your cock either then
>>27599114>you have microscopic genetalia >y-y-you too
>>27599127>his comeback is pointing out the comeback
>>27599133No retard, I pointed out you copied me like an unoriginal autist. You're dragging this out all in an effort to dissuade the conversation away from not citing your bullshit. Your faglike tactics has no effect on me.
>>27599164yes you're right, we've forgotten all about how a moron thinks his shitbox can beat a 392 and is grasping at "SOURCE???" straws to hide his retardation
>>27599164>"MOOOOOOOOOOM HE'S COPYING MEEEEEE"
>>27566492Its 9 grand nigga. and one should upgrade the clutch as well.I drive in right lane cuz im high as fuck and i have to pull over to get gas and flaming hot Cheetos.
>>27596675There is no way in hell these numbers aren't doctored to shit, that's fucking laughable.
>>27599270>>27599272>more retardation instead of posting his sourceI accept your concession. >>27600027>challyfag when you call him out on his autistic screeching
>>27600100Even just looking this up on Challenger forums and people with bone stock Pentastar Challengers can't break mid 6s in 0-60 times, the guys that can have heavily modified cars usually with forced induction making about 125hp more. >(Source 1: https://www.chargerforumz.com/threads/3-6l-pentastar-v6-0-60-times.170403/ )>Source 2: https://www.challengerforumz.com/threads/3-6l-v6-pentastar-0-60-times-with-a-tuner-what-difference-was-made.123851/ )So there is no way that a fucking Rentastar chally is doing that claimed time without heavy modifications and drag tires. Meanwhile a stock 340 4-speed Barracuda from 1968-1969 will do a standing 0-60 time of >(Source: https://fastestlaps.com/models/plymout-barracuda-formula-s-hardtop-340 )Which, despite my engine being a 318 built to the same rough specs as the 273 HiPo it replaced had nearly identical dyno specs to a 340 on the dyno after automatically blueprinting it then put it a stock car on stock tires could reproduce the results, with best time of 5.7 at the strip even with granny shifts.
>>27600149Different story on them V8s:https://youtu.be/KT8Seh6YOMg?t=29No wonder the guy's name is literally Chad.
>>27600149>So there is no way that a fucking Rentastar chally is doing that claimed time without heavy modifications and drag tires.Yes, that was my point.>everything elseLike I said earlier, I don't care about MoTard infighting.
>>27600149>he retreats to the pentastar after realizing he can't beat a 392 and hopes no one will remembercar gapped, asshole gapedthanks for typing out a wall of cope no one will read
>>27600168Wow, it's almost like I was replying to one claim of the one retard who always chimes in on every threadFucking idiot
>>27600215slow and cope, time to ROPE
>>27600220Good luck trying to keep up in the twisties, faggot. Go wrap yourself around a tree
>>27600235>"gnnnNNNNNNNN!! IT'S NOT ABOUT THE SPEED IT'S ABOUT THE TWISTIEEES! I'M FAST IN THE TWISTIEEEEEEESS!!!"actual japscrap driver cope LMAOsmall block "muscle car" drivers are basically just civic ricers
>>27565421>very gay raptor
>>27599945NEVER FAILS
>>27600502>>27600619 they just can't help themselves
>>27600359the small block muscle car is the cheap retard rocket conservative japanese companies can't or won't make
>>27567530Shithead importers in europe want 50k for that after it been crashed with 60k miles
>>27599420Edelbrock makes modern shit? Jesus
>>27565316I don't care about stereotypes, modern chargers, challengers, mustangs, and camaros are gay and daily traffic
I WILL NOT DRIVE A TRUCKI WILL NOT DRIVE A KEKOVERI WILL NOT DRIVE A FWD JDMI WILL NOT DRIVE A SHITBOXI WILL NOT DRIVE A SUVI WILL NOT DRIVE A HATCH BACKI WILL NOT DRIVE A SEDANI WILL DRIVE MY SRT8 CHALLENGER AND DO BURNOUTS IN PARKING LOTS
