>Gas prices perpetually increasing>Dramatic rises due to war>High IQ people are seeking to maximize MPG's>Low IQ people choose to he poorHow are you holding up anons?You are getting 2000 miles per gallon, aren't you?
>>27611860LowIQsisters, our response?
>>27611860>How are you holding up anons?im not poor enough for that to be my concern and im paying more for gas than you amerilards.
>>27612088Automobiles are exclusive to America and only Americans use cars.The rest of the world is walkable and has 1500 km/h mag-lev bullet train networks crossing every square kilometer of it.Please vacate our American board.
>>27611860Hell/o/ fellow Volt owner
>>27612112>Please vacate our American boardi will drive my american car in yurop and you will do nothing about it
>>27611860Maybe gas prices would be lower if you didn't have a senile retard president trying to bomb 4 or 5 countries at once.
>>27611860i'm going WOT on every drive and chugging 93 octane, and i'm going to keep doing so because i can afford it and its my only hobby
>>27612117Based volt enjoyer.Is this, dare I say it, /o/ur car?
>>27612167>>27612088The difference between the High IQ rich, and the low IQ poor, is that the rich don't spend money on poor decisions, like burning gas.
>>27611860I fucking hate my volt
>>27612224Impossible
>>27612255Dubdubs confirmed.You love the Volt, and you drink Jolt Cola
>>27611860I changed jobs to cut my commute by 20 minutes with no more highway driving so I can save on gas.
I get 50 mpg with regular diesel engine
>>27612274>50 mpgI mean that would be fantastic, if diesel costed a 20th of todays horrific prices
>>27612273Not a bad idea, can you not change job so you can WFH?
>>27611860I park my work van at home so it doesn't cost me anything to commute to work. My fully paid for shitbox gets 20mpg city driving as hard as possible which is perfectly fine for me. I'm actually considering a 14mpg 3/4 ton Suburban even though it'll cost me an easy $100 in fuel for a weekend camping trip.
>>27611860>>27612117Hello fellow Volt chads. Who would have known we'd be driving one of the best value, most sensible and most economical vehicles available today?
kinda wanna buy a holden volt, thoughts anons?
I'm just driving my 20 year old toyota instead of dropping money on a new car. My corolla gets 30mpg or something. I don't care
>>27611868stfu faggot
>fun to drive>good on gas>seats 5 people>reliableName a car like this (it doesnt exist)
>>27611860>tfw MPG is in the truple digitsFeels good being an EVKANG
>>27611860>work remotely>only drive about 5000 miles a year>cars get about 30mpg>gas is $4I probably spend about $700 on fuel a year, I don’t really care that much
>>27612223Rich people don’t care about the cost of gas. A Merc S class gets like 20mpg. >>27612284Diesel is 5-10 cents cheaper than gas in my state right now (IL). I just got an E320 turbodiesel, gonna be fun.
>>27613623nu 3 series or 5 series>hurr durr germanIf the B58 and ZF8 are reliable enough for Toyota, they're reliable enough for you
>>27613420The Holden Volt is fantastic, and is the rarest Volt, so most sought after.How does 2000 miles per gallon sound for you?
>>27613676Why drive at all then? May as well just add 700 to your investment pile
>>27613623GM Volt
I bet you cant tell when I am in an extra-urban, urban, or in a spirited driving situation.
>>27614079Why are you driving something so old? If you wasted less money on gas, you could afford a decent car.
if you're so broke that you worry about the cost of gasoline, you need to seriously re-examine your life. that's at "unable to afford decent food" tier, and way, way below "unable to afford basic medical care" tier. you're basically going to die a good 20-30 years earlier than you needed to if you're in this position. think less about your MPG and more about the trajectory of your one and only life
>>27611860>You are getting 2000 miles per gallon, aren't you?>164 miles left in half full gas tank>28 miles left in half full batteryAnother low quality bait thread, enjoy your you
>>27613623Tesla Model 3 Performance (new version)
>>27614222>Drive a cumulative total of 2000 miles on electric and gas>Burn a total of 1 gallon of gasoline in the process>Somehow not 2000 MPG???
>>27614214I only ever see people who drive cars that aren't capable of being driven on electricity make this argument. It's very telling.
>>27613969Because I like to go to the gym, go shooting, etc, and I like the cars I have and I drive so little that the economic benefits of a more efficient car just aren’t a factor for me. My wife also works remotely and between us we save about 70% of our pay.
>>27614428You aren’t counting the electricity usage, which for a typical EV the efficiency is around 110 MPGe
>>27614428>Drive a cumulative total of 2000 miles on electric and gasI'm only replying because EV retards are this stupidThat's a trip computer not related to anythingThe AVG of 250 mpg is because the guy just reset his economy computerMy shitty Prius will show 99+ mpg when I reset mine and drive it down and hill, obviously not getting anywhere close to that.The only thing this picture shows is how inefficient the battery is as it only has 28 miles of range half full while the gas engine is doing the majority of the work
>>27614100I like it. It is reliable, and it is comfortable. I only pay in cash for vehicles, and I just can't stomach the idea of dumping 35k USD for a new accord. Even with the shit economy this car gets, I'd still need to drive to the moon just to make the fuel costs break even with total new car buy in cost.
>>27614510>Can't fathom that the computer clearly shows 2000 miles travelled, 1 gallon of fuel used>States the ICE is doing the majority of the workAre you okay there, anon? Seems like the seething has broken your mind.
>>27614573Too obviousC-
>>27614580>Noooo you cant just do 2000 miles on one gallon>I-its o-obvious
>>27614610He continues the shtick D-
>>27611860
>>27613676>>27614473based and same
>>27615044Based porsche enjoyer, but thats an EV so not sure you can claim that.PHEV gatekeepers, assemble!
>>27613623Subaru Outback.30 MPG
>>2761607230mpg thats just awful BAKA.Why do you want to throw money away?
>>2761608030 MPG with a competent AWD system is good THOUGH.
>>27616085Its amazing hearing the things that low IQ people would rather have than money.
>>27611860I have no idea what these flatties get, but it has to be in the low teens. "Smiles per gallon", as the boomers say.
Its the same people who burn money who complain they are priced out of home ownership and are resorting to vanlife, sof surfing, or even living with parents
>>27616177>sof surfingYikes.Is THIS what being broke does to people?
>>27611860>>27612117>>27612208>>27612224>>27613315>>27613975volt chads please tell me what your electric range is and at what ambient temperature? how are you guys getting 28 miles at 50% battery? car is only rated for 38 miles total brand newi only get 50km when it's 10C outside
Geo is getting around 50 going 75 on the interstate. Ford is being shaken down. 22 the first tank, 17 towing the 18'er, looking forward to more 20+ tanks. AC works too. Have to shake down the box truck... Not looking forward to it
>>27616210For me its about 47-50 miles depending on the given day.I have done nothing to it, that's just what it does.I rarely use the range extender, hence i get 2000+ miles per gallon.
>>27616119I have an outback too, average 30 mpg, if you can take the wfh pill and only drive a few thousand miles a year it really doesn’t matter
>>27614510>The only thing this picture shows is how inefficient the battery is as it only has 28 miles of range half fullYou don't know what efficiency means.
>>27611860I get 16 combined and many more smiles per gallon
>>27616210Mine has 155,000 miles and gets about 32 miles max in fair weather. My usable kWh has dropped from 10.5 to 8.5.
>>27616730That's weird most voltybois are getting much better than that, and the forums are full of people getting crazy high miles per gallon, like OP's 2000mpg
>>27616863Volt is an older PHEV. The computer when reporting those stats only counts actual gasoline burned in its MPG figures, and not the MPGe of the electricity.If you are driving it as if it is a short range BEV, and never using the gasoline range extender it can report really crazy figures like that.
>>27611860I'm not poor enough to care, I get 22 mpg though.
>>27616933I hear you, but it kind of doesn't matter, if a guy travels 2500 miles and has only used a gallon, he has got 2500 miles from that gallon.The best bit is charging for free.I charge for free at the office when not wfh, and for free at the yacht club over the weekend as i enjoy sailing with free wind energy.What a time to be alive.
>>27616982If you were getting better mpgs then you wouldnt be poor at all.You need to concentrate more.
>>27611868Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
>>27617158incredibasedfreedom is making enough money and driving so little that a car's smile factor is orders of magnitude more important than mileage
>>27617158>Walmart carparkWhoop woop skiddely whoop
>>27617189Imagine being too scared to even drive your fun cars regularly, let alone use them as intended
>>27617189It's a Cinemark and JC Penney, I'll have you know.
>>27615044Roughly 3.5mi/kwh, but it's only like 15C/60F here
>>27617181>driving so littlewhatif my car's smile factor is high i'm driving that fucker till the wheels fall offthen i'll put those wheels back on and keep on driving it
>>27613623Take the Grand Marquis pill anon.
>>27617891>good on gas
>>27617863If only I had the lower trim with the 18" wheels I'd be doing a lot better
>>27617863I get around 3.8 miles/kwh, the range extender has ~45mpg
My XT225 gets about 4L/100km when I'm running on the highway for my work commute. When I'm cruising on it at less than 80km/h it gets between 3 and 3.5L/100km.
>>27617181>Poorfag cant afford to drive>Procedes to perform mental gymnastics for us
>>27618259>Procedes
>>27618180A 400hp Corvette uses less than 6L/100km. That's pretty bad coming from a bike.
>>27618268Not really
>>27611860Getting 40mpg in my civic running on the thinking man's fuel, CNG. $2.06 a gallon
>>27618271Lean burn tune on a C5.
>>27618271I mean lets be honest, its not even getting 30mpg best case scenario.And its not even a real sports car.
>>27618279>If I ruin the engine and performance I can use less fuel>Oh yeah you have to hyper mile it too
>drive 2l turbo Skoda wagon>average 35-40mpg on a gentle commute>gf borrows it for 1 day because her car shit the bed>check trip after she gets home>29mpgBitch you think this is funny?
>>27618283Riiiight.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNIZ25eBMco
>>27618286>Does nothing but cruise on the highway>Gets good mileageWow, what's the point?
>>27618296>ride a virgin tier bike>can't do highway speedsWow, what's the point?
So interesting watching low IQ people justify their poor decisions to themselves
>>27618310Why are you posturing like mpg is the one and only car decision in car purchasing? Retard tier train of thought anon.
>>27618304Any bike is better than a filthy nobike. It's not my only bike anyway
>>27613962surely you jest? 2000mpg? unrealWhy would the Holden variant be the most sought after? are there any differences in features?A Holden volt in good condition will run me around $20k ausbucks, close to $13k USD. Do these cars face common EV longevity issues?
>>27618409>surely you jest? 2000mpg? unrealNo, its real. In fact, if you drive well you can get even more.>Why would the Holden variant be the most sought after? are there any differences in features?Its the rarest of Volts, and has collector value.The Volt was a Halo car for GM, and was cancelled very quickly, like the EV1 so is a future collector's car >A Holden volt in good condition will run me around $20k ausbucks, close to $13k USD.Not a bad investment for a low-mileage example desu. Most of these were kept extremely well, as the type of buyer was usually a fastidious enthusiast.>Do these cars face common EV longevity issues?They are actually bullet proof, and designed to be so. There is so much redundancy built into the battery that it will outlast the entire car, unless it is consciously abused and sabotaged by its user.There is over ten years of evidence out there for these now, and most people get about 50 miles per charge even after a decade.
>>27611860>>Gas prices perpetually increasingGas was $4 in 2008 and it's $3 now in 2024
>>27618457I literally can't tell if you're taking the piss or not
>>27617976>>27618023I'm on 21" wheels as well. The smallest I can go that can clear the brakes is 19", but I doubt it's worth buying a new set of summer wheels forAlso have an X5 PHEV that has a lifetime average of 5.3L/100km, or 44mpg. like 50ish miles of EV range, but the gas engine is a B58 so it's guzzling premium once the battery runs out
>>27618630Deadset mate
>>2761186040mpg in city, 60 on open road
>>27618633My wife's manual 2020 corolla gets 5.5L/100km and I don't drive it gently. One time we drove ~400km and I decided to see how low I could get it and I averaged 4.6L/100km by accelerating slowly and staying slightly under the speed limit.
>>27619398Anom, its great that you are trying, but that's like 42mpg.42mpg is bad.
>>27619415It's about the same as the hybrid Toyota options without needing all the extra bullshit, so in my books that's really good.
>>27619426That just means they are equally bad though.Also what "extra bullshit" do toyota hybrids need exactly?Granted, toyota hybrids are the lowest tier hybrids out there.
>>27616069that's a Hyundai you fucking retard
>>27619426Hybrid Toyotas are pushing 60mpg. You're getting worse economy than anon's X5 which is a 6000lbs luxobarge SUV
>>27620614maybe the Prius, the Camry hybrid is a dud
>>27620649Camry hybrid will do 50mpg, and that's a much larger car than the Corolla
>>27611860>>27612117>>27613315How much did you pay for your Volt?
My car is an always broken down piece of shit so I only get to drive it for like a week before I will need to park it up for a month. While it gets 14l/100kms you need to divide that figure by 5 due to the fact it's only operational for 1 week out of 5 so my 90s V8 shitbox is actually returning an impressive figure of 2.8l/100kms
>>276207172013 model year bought in 2015 for $19,000 with 28,000 miles. Nowadays you can find plenty of them for under $10,000, though.>>27613315
>>27613315>>27621082Btw, this cabinet was hecking massive. I'm surprised it all fit.
>mfw my sbc 350 now gets 26 mpg after changing spark plugs
>>27617964Yes, that's a real car. Real cars don't get better than 30 mpg.Anything over 30 is an appliance
>>27618286>a cuckvette once drove lean for a youtube video>this is totally sustainable guys!kill yourself, you shilling nigger
>>27622474All cars are appliances.
>>27621082>$19,000>best valuePic related was $850. According to my driving cost of $0.068 a mile it would take well over 200k miles worth of driving to make that a "good value" or "high iq" decision like your fellow Volt autist keeps implying. At least one of you finally answered how much you paid for one of these things though. >>27623760Some cars are bought for leisure or fun. What kind of retard thinks they're only appliances?
>>27612273if it's high speed, steady highway driving, that's more fuel efficient than stop start traffic
>>27621091that's a big cabinet
why cant you people get jobs that compensate you for your mileage so you dont have to worry about mpg bullshit
>>276237984u
>>27623785You sound upset, but then if our appliances were as shitty as the one you posted we'd all be upset too.It must suck being low IQ AND angry.I mean let's be honest, your appliance belongs in the junkyard.Do you dress in rags?
>>27623811I actually have a rather high paying job, i just want to keep the money for myself.
I hate my volt but the little fucker is quick as hell and fuel efficient
>>27623990You do some mighty weird projecting Anon, I enjoy my 3 cars without making endless cope posts about them. Your posts reek of autism mixed with buyers remorse.
>>27625696>Posts cope>Claims not to be copinglow IQ Mental gymnastics.
>>27626686Anon, you trying to convince yourself your Volt was a better buy than any car on this board is "low IQ mental gymnastics" which you're clearly still projecting about. Miser posting clearly isn't your strong suit. Only a retard would try to say "hurr look at muh mpg, me so smart" while ignoring total cost of ownership, which includes the price of the vehicle.
>>27626701>Drives daily, for free for years >Sells vehicleWow, magic
UK Ampera (volt) owner here. This thing is cheaper to run than a 125cc scooter and does 0-60 in under 7 sec.Its incredibly based.
>>27623785>>27625696Sounds like you're coping over some shitboxes
>>27624613this thing is actually pretty fast for being pig fat and having a single puny micro dick electric motor.i own a volt and i constantly mog on the average shitbox
>>27623785>$850 shitboxSome of us actually have some self respect
>>27625696Imagine giving real money for these pieces of junk lol.What's even more stupid is giving more money to keep them going, and then fueling them.
>>27627093I'd take any of those 3 over a Volt. Especially if the Toyota and Mustang are manuals.
>>27624613>>27626806>>27627001The response and torque is in a whole other league compared to any other "regular" compact car like a Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla. It's even better than a naturally aspirated V8. It makes gas cars which I previously thought were responsive feel sluggish on tip-in now. That combined with the fact that running it is so incredibly cheap and home charging is so convenient makes it by far the best vehicle I've ever owned. The best way I can describe it is it's an ordinary car with an extraordinary powertrain.
>>27611860I do both
>>27627145You wouldn't understand, you have to be of a higher IQ than you are equipped with.
>>27627269>Public parking lot>Tee hee that will fool them!!
>>27626707How many years?>>27627145The Tercel is manual and Cobras are manual only. >>27627476You realize he's posted these many times, right?
>>27629515>He thinks the gm Volt is 19k LOL, LMAO
>>27632031See>>27620717>>27621082
>>27632031>>27632114It was a two year old car with 28k miles. I could have bought many other cars for $19,000 but they would have cost thousands more in fuel and maintenance and wouldn't come with the quality of life benefits that electric offers.
>>27632114>B-but l-look, ten years ago someone did somethingLol, imagine coping this much.Low IQ mental gymnastics is very satisfying to watch
>>27632276This.These cars are bulletproof by design, as they were GM's halo car.That's why they got cancelled so quickly,.
>>27622474Cope.
>>27632276>>27633254So you guys are just coping that you overpayed for a novelty item? Even with 112mpg lifetime average >>27612117 it takes almost 30 years to break even. It's almost as if buying a novelty car to "save money" is a very low IQ decision that's being coped/projected about. Or you're just retards that can't into math.
>>27611860>due to warThough prices went up months before any effect on oil price. They also never came down when oil prices dipped. They only keep increasing. All providers have exact same pricing that updates at exact same point in time.
>>27613424What? You cant just drive a car you own. You're supposed to be locked in debt for the foreseeable future with a 'encironmentally friendly' 80K EV.
>>27633771I also plugged in the Volt specifics from guys stated 19000, to my 18.5 lifetime MPG over a few years.I do not plan to keep my car another 17 years, assuming this stays static. Gas is going up, but so is electrical. Its still cheaper long run to keep buy cars I like, than a car I dont to save a few dollars on gas ( that I trade off on others)this it not even counting much more expensive insurance rates and property taxes. There is no free charging here, and GM electrics and hybrids are still banned from municipal parking structures here so you would need to pay to surface park as well.
>>27633799I also made the assumption the volt will run all electric because my average distance per day is less than the national average, and also therefore less than the total electric range of the lowest end Volt.
>>27633799>>27633771What your autistic ass doesn't understand is that no one is cross shopping $20k cars with $800 shitboxes
>>27634007My point is basically unless you have some sort of unreliable shit pile that pisses fuel out the tailpipe, it's almost always cheaper to keep driving the car you have than buy another one. You can't usually buy your way into financial savings unless you have jumped from lower low class ( basically welfare styles of living) into lower middle class. Where you don't have as drastic opportunity costs to consider.You buy a new car mostly for feels or wants these days not because the old one is unfit for it's purpose.
>>27634007>claims to be "high iq" because he's "saving money">point out he won't break even, let alone save money for decades>b-b-but you can't just compare cars with an $18,150 price differenceWhen your brain develops you'll realize your autistic screeching doesn't make you right. >>27633799>>27633817>>27634034What do you drive that only gets 18mpg?
>>27634066Not even him, but he's saving money compared to similarly priced cars. I can save money too by cashing in my good boi points and getting mommy to drive me everywhere, but that's a sad and pathetic existence, just like driving around in a $800 shitbox
>>27633771>the only way he can win is by comparing a free car with a new onelol. lmao, even
>>27634066The 96 Turbo Cedric posted way way up in the thread, which is just a comfortable settee to ferry me back and forth to work. I wanted comfortable & quiet, with cloth seats, and I wanted my first automatic car. ~5500 for a car with less than 30k miles on it, shipped to my city during peak covid car shortage was too good of a deal to pass up. I already had a bunch of spare parts that fit the model. * I DID have a friend check out the car when he was on holiday before I purchased and shipped it *I wanted a jade mist RD28 powered one, but settled for a white turbo v6.Prior to that I was using a 85 s12 as daily transport at 28mpg. It had a defect in the water pump housing in the block that let go in 2022. It was not cost effective to repair or replace.
>>27633264It's been very reliable too. It had a common motor bearing failure fixed under warranty and a single power window regulator go out but has been totally solid apart from that with 155,000 miles on the odometer.>>27633771I didn't over pay, in fact I was surprised how cheap it was. $19k for a two year old car with such an advanced powertrain in 2015 was unlike anything else available at the time. Cheap, long range EVs didn't exist back then. They barely do now. It was an incredible car for 2015 and still feels better and more modern than brand new gas-only cars.
>>27611860Enjoy your Zog-controlled battery powered cuckbox.
>>27634081>but he's saving money compared to similarly priced cars.How far are you trying to move goalposts? >I can save money too by cashing in my good boi points and getting mommy to drive me everywhereThis is the autistic screeching I was talking about.>just like driving around in a $800 shitboxI drive my other 2 cars too.>>27634166I'm comparing 2 used cars. >>27634224Nice, I've only seen one Cedric in person.>>27634567By overpay, I mean you haven't saved any money vs a cheaper gasoline powered car.
>>27634704And you haven't saved any money over getting your mom to drive you around
>>27633771>Doesn't allow for ever increasing gas price>Claims a GM Volts costs 19k>Claims a GM Volt only gets 112mpg, when it gets 2500mpgLol, this is multilevel cope
I drive a cruze, and a motorcycle. literally never worried about gas price. i could simply decide to enjoy my motorcycle more
>>27611860$3.45NZD/L for 98RON>$7.82 yankee-doodles per gal for whatever your highest octane (ethanol excluded) isMX5 approx 10gal from shit's full to bone dry>Urban 19mpg>Exclusively highway 26.5mpgZXR250 4gal tank>Urban 30mpg>Exclusively highway 33mpgIt is what it is.
>City driving, fuel efficiency >Highway driving, long distances, rangeWhich car would you pick for each purpose
>>27634925Easy, the GM Volt, if you can find one, they are highly sought after and a future classic.
volt niggerschizo can tongue my anus
>>27634949LMAO at that wheel gap
>>27634704Car 1 is practically free, it’s a terrible comparison. You’re being disingenuous and you know it
2007 Grand Marquis. She gets more like 24 MPG on long trips.
>>27634704>By overpay, I mean you haven't saved any money vs a cheaper gasoline powered car.Dude... My Volt has already paid for itself in running cost savings over my previous SUV, and it's far nicer to drive. Gasoline is EXPENSIVE. I lended it to someone once and had to drive a gas car and it sucked. It was so expensive just to drive anywhere and reminded me how much I dreaded pissing away a hundred dollars on gas every few days. Now almost all my driving is covered by the electric range which is dirt cheap and is fully charged every day. I can't stress enough how freeing it feels not being tethered to gas. I don't know where people keep getting this idea that EVs aren't cheaper to own than gas engine cars, but they absolutely are.
>>27635145This.My Volt paid for itself within months, after switching from the Range Rover.Also, the savings on insurance and tax are wild, as well as being a great car.
>>27635166Not to mention repairs (more like the lack of a need to do constant repairs.)
>>27633771>>27634066>>27634704I'm not him and I don't even agree with him, but your example is bad and so is the 96 Cedric. You're trading off a lot more than purchase price when you get any of those cars. Namely safety. The Tercel in particular is a coffin on wheels should you get in a crash, and it lacks basic active safety too. Probably doesn't even have ABS. Now, a W140 diesel S-class is one of the safest cars ever produced. It gets about 21 MPG combined. A fairly well kept '94 is for sale on Craigslist for $4500. It takes 11.5 years driving a shitty Volt to break even.I picked the S-class because it's one car where you won't miss any non-iPad tier feature of the Volt and will have a better car in most comparable aspects.
>>27635823>Ancient junk-tier german carLol now include repair costs and insurance
>>27635847Benz diesels go forever with just basic maintenance, there's a reason they're used as taxis in so many countries.I'll get liability insurance and be done with it since the car was just $4500. Oil changes I can do myself.
>>27635884>A Mercedes-Benz S-Class will cost about $12,306 for maintenance and repairs during its first 10 years of service>The average cost to insure a Mercedes-Benz S-Class is about $3,865 per year. This adds up to around $19,325 after 5 years of vehicle ownership. Lol, are you being dumb on purpose, or are you naturally low IQ?
>>27635908That's a new S-class, not a W140. Dummy. Will you get a 94 car serviced at the stealership?
>>27635921Enlarging the W140 pic in MS paint wasn't my brightest moment, kek
>>27635921>Will you get a 94 carNo. Thats the automotive equivalent of dressing in rags and living under a bridge.What i quoted was for a 94 btw.You wouldn't understand this, you weren't blessed with the cognitive ability.
>>27635970>No. Thats the automotive equivalent of dressing in rags and living under a bridge.cope
>>27635979Yeah man, driving a shitty old clunker will surely convince your peers that you are successful, not a low IQ person who cannot into a modern car.
So confused, How much energy does it take to drive 4000lbs car at 60mph for 1 mile?
>>27627263Don't those burst into flames? Gm recommends not parking in garage?
>>27611860>I have bad taste and enjoy saving $20 a week because that’s a lot of money for me.Are you a woman?
>>276136232025 hybrid camry.
>>27627013Mogged by eight fifty penny pincher
>>27636015A well maintained modern classic isn't a "shitty old clunker"
>>27618682what happens if the battery dies? Does GM even make them anymore?
>>27637532They don't "die," GM built a crazy amount of redundancy into the batteries.In fact these will outlast almost any car, thanks to the over-engineering.That's why GM killed them off, you can't just let people drive one car for the rest of time.
>>27611860>Approx 2000MPG>Approx 400 mile rangeWtf what car is this?
>>27635145My i5 costs me less than 10% to drive in energy costs than my truck simply because of how expensive gas is in Canada and how cheap and plentiful electricity is, it's wildSomeone going from a truck to a cheaper car like a Model 3 or Ioniq 6 is basically getting it for free relative to gas costs
>>27636260That was the Bolt. All the affected cars have been recalled and fixed.
>>27637601Chevy Volt >>27634567
>>27638380Nice!
>>27638664:)
>>27635111>You’re being disingenuousHow? I bought the car for $850 and VolTard paid $19k.>>27635145>Gasoline is EXPENSIVE. I lended itRetarded and ESL, nice. Gasoline is less expensive than a Novelty GM product. Simple math has already proved this, but I guess you're not "high iq" enough to understand. >>27635823It's a '96 so it has dual airbags. But why are you moving goalposts from cost to safety? >>27637336Was he implying a Volt is respectable?
>>27611860>>High IQ people are seeking to maximize MPG'sHigher IQ people need not care much because our vehicles are owned free and clear and we choose to live where petrol is cheap.
>>27639840I don't care how cheap it is to drive an old car. I wanted a relatively new car that was also extremely efficient and cheap to run and that's what I got.
>>27639840It also has ABS, traction control and stability control with a yaw sensor and 4 wheel steering. They claim everyone is being disingenuous but its a pretty big step down to compare a 30k car to a 10K (tercel, the "its a car" of its day) car sold at the same times if you are expecting the same things out of both. Maybe they think you and I are the same person?At the time I got this car, a 2G Prius with 250k miles was 8-10k USD, most even stated they were in need of a new battery unit or that it was under performing but still functional. This may have been a regional issue but car prices here basically went from "500 dollars could get you a beater" to 3500+ for a car that rolled on its own during covid and have not come down. Yes I cross shopped a Prius with V8 (Cima) and 5/6 cylinder sedans (cedric, Crown) and wagons (v70, e320) . I also cross shopped a new Ford fiesta hatchback, base model, after having one as a rental I found out I liked it. My vehicular likes are determined mostly by what I feel comfortable with, even if they may not be all directly comparable or classed vehicles.>>27635924I personally detest leather, Its over 32c more than 1/3rd of the year here. I do not like burning my legs on seats. I do not like the feel of leather seats either. I do not care if its a premium option or higher class, I just don't do leather anymore. Hated It in my corvette, hated it in my caddy.Is my interior as nicely designed aesthetically as a w140? no. But it has held up with little to no wear or issues for being 28. It's significantly quieter in the cabin with respect to wind and motor noise compared to the v70, E320s that I looked at. Its ride better and smoother than my caddy was.Being a nissan it is a parts bin car, which means I can pick up just about anything at a local DIY auto store. Anything for the rear 5link can be purchased locally, anything for the steering (front and rear) and front suspension. Most wear items in fact are cheap.
>>27640232Holy wall of cope, batman
>>27639840>It's a '96 so it has dual airbags. But why are you moving goalposts from cost to safety?I'm not, I'm trying to keep the comparison fair. A Tercel is cheaper than a Volt but it's not a comparable vehicle. Dual airbags don't mean much if the car's structure isn't as sound in a crash. The W140 is one of the safest cars ever made, period. >>27640232That's a fairly nice interior save for the fake wood, I'll give you that. Heads and shoulders above modern Nissans and I would much rather be there than in a Volt.I wonder if one could get cloth seats in American W140s, probably not. In Euro spec the base models are usually a lot more barebones so you can get an uber luxury car with an almost spartan interior, see pic.>Being a nissan it is a parts bin car, which means I can pick up just about anything at a local DIY auto store. Anything for the rear 5link can be purchased locally, anything for the steering (front and rear) and front suspension. Most wear items in fact are cheap.That's definitely convenient, also I agree it's holding up well. I'd take it over the Volt.
>>27640852I've been conflicted about the fake wood. On one hand it's clearly fake. On the other hand it has not cracked, crazed, had the laqure flake or pull away like it did in my Seville or my relatives jag. I'm not a "materiels purist" and am generally fine with hard plastic interior parts as they are durable, and hold up fairly well.I've mentioned it in other threads where I talked about my car that regionally I assume due to the climate, socioeconomic factors, and general populations tendancy now to treat a car as disposable Older vehicles, especially German ones for some reason, tend to to have severely degraded interiors. Ie cracked dashes, warped plastics, and severely damaged seats, along with electrical gremlins that have scared me away from older mercs and BMW's. Then in the late 90s they started adding soft touch coatings that turn into "snot" the plastics seemed to change to a new composition that gets brittle and breaks down into little pellets, and in general seemed to move to a lot of single use fasters on interior sound deadening panels or inner door cards that seem prone to breakage (fastener and the panel itself) when you need to remove them to replace wear items like window regulators. So that inner card is no longer affixed and rattles a lot ( 2000s VW I'm looking at you). Then you have the biodegradable wire insulation on mid 90s mercs and mid 2000s vws that I just can't seem to deal with ( I've been fighting the harness just falling apart on a relatives toureg for a few years now). From the little I've dealt with German vehicles here their parts seem to have absurd price premiums and much shorter service intervals than Japanese ones, with the typical trades offs being the Japanese vehicles handle worse and tend to be slower. I don't think I'm classic Merc materiel.
>>27640910I've seen sound deadening foam that turns into goo if you move it, pretty nasty. Also had problems with fasteners too, especially proprietary ones that you can't find replacements for. Luckily the soft touch stuff remained in good shape. All this in a 99 Renault.
>>27640919I've not seen anything french here other than the random 505 or a fuego so I can't really make any comments about them. Renault and pug pulled out of the USA I want to say about 40 years ago. The 505s seems to be tanks. they look like no one ever did anything to them and they are still rolling around.
>>27640939Oh save for minor things this Renault is based as fuck. Really comfortable car with good sound insulation that's enough to quiet down road noise without removing your situational awareness. Speaks to you whenever it detects some failure. Storage space everywhere. Rear foglights for tailgaters. Torquey Volvo engine. Power everything save for the seats (others have it). Dual airbags.
>>27635908>based retard thinks these numbers apply to a 20 year old car
>>27640038>I don't care how cheap it is to drive an old carThen why did you make a thread about miserposting? It seems like you care a lot. >>27640852>I'm not>ctrl+f+safety>first result is >>27635823>op is about MPG and saving moneyLol, ok retard. This is a miserposting thread, not a safety thread. >>27640232Crazily enough the Tercel wasn't even the cheapest car you could buy at the time.
>>27641313There were so many insanely miserly cars in the early 90s. I know there were many in the 8000-10000 price point, I just seem to recall the tercel being one of the most Spartan options that could seat full size humans. In a way I very much miss the raw functionality with zero frills approach to entry level vehicles the 90s had. I'm the cunt with the Cedric, and I only mentioned the tercel In response to the other person. I'm not particularly concerned with safety as well, I'm driving a car with frameless windows and ultra skinny b pillars, dailied a 80s nissan for 15 years, and have been pondering getting a small import car ( like a nissan pao, or a Leyland mini) just for shits and giggles and to have an optional fair weather car. Sold my 69 mustang and my S&S powered motorcycle with that expressed purpose in fact to free up garage space for it and a PX vespa. I'm admittedly price conscious and don't really want to spend more than 10k for a turnkey car, since it's just a toy.
>>27641313>Lol, ok retard. This is a miserposting thread, not a safety thread.Because you say you drive that Tercel and I could say I drive some go kart chasis I made with a MIG welder in my garage and that I put a motorcycle engine on for an even cheaper result, with less cost and more MPG. When you compare a Volt to a Tercel, you're not comparing equivalent things.
>>27641731>I could say I drive some go kart chasis I made with a MIG welder in my garage and that I put a motorcycle engine on for an even cheaper result>you're not comparing equivalent things.Is this what going full retard looks like? It's far more equal to compare two road legal cars than a car vs a home made abomination only dreamt up in some schizo's head.
>>27641754I could get it certified for the road, still wouldn't be equivalent. My point is, the Volt offers a lot of comfort the Tercel can. But the Benz offers even more comfort than the Volt and it's still cheaper for many years. And it's an extreme example, I'm just saying the Tercel is a total shitbox. It's not even in the same segment, the Volt is in the same segment as the Corolla (compact). The Tercel is a subcompact. But to comparable comfort and equipment to a modern compact in a 90s car you should probably look at a midsize like the Taurus or Camry. You'll still be a little behind in equipment but it'll be close and you'll get more comfort as well.
>>27641921It's crazy to me that people who could charge an EV at their home were still buying Corollas and Civics in the mid to late 2010s when almost new sub-$20k Volts were super common with low miles. Volt depreciation hit hard. My choices came down between the Volt and a Civic Hybrid. Both were the same price. I went with the Volt and I have no regrets. Awesome car.
You konw what's even cheaper than a $850 Tercel? The car my parents bought for me, didn't spend a dime. Checkmate, athiests
>>27641364I was just saying it wasn't even the cheapest car because you said >(tercel, the "its a car" of its day)I think people forget even worse shitboxes existed, like the Metro.>>27641731>Because you say you drive that TercelIs this some sort of passive aggressive way of implying I don't own a cheap winter car?>>27641754I think I broke it. >>27642016Yep. it's broken.
>>27643088A 4 door metro was in the same cllass and price point. There was only about 500 dollar difference between that and a tercel. The crap box that is the Topaz was still almost 2500-3k more.
PHEV is perfect for suburban living.Charge at night for pennies and charge at work for free, daily work commute is very cheap.Has both mpg and ICE for long distance trips.
>>27643088>Yep. it's broken.That last post isn't mine.And no, it's not a passive-aggressive way of saying anything, I'm just saying let's compare cars in the same class if we're going to compare prices, otherwise it's disingenuous. Might as well say "look how expensive EVs are" and compare a Rimac to a Daihatsu Charade
>>27641921Old softly sprung cars with tall sidewalls ride BETTER than modern cars.>>27643120>topaz had manual, v6, awd and coupe options>also irs vs torsion beamsTopaz > Tercel/Volt you guys are arguing about.
>>27635823lol, where are you guys pulling the $19k figure? All the volts posted in this thread are Gen 1 and can be had for $10k at the high end.
>>27643897Not in this market buckooo
>>27643897It was because I bought mine for $19k but they seem to miss the fact that it was only two years old at the time.
>>27617891>Take the Grand Marquis pill anon.There's no way that's your average MPG in a grand marquis, unless you've done serious modifications to your vehicle. If so, I'd like to know what they are or what kind of hypermiling you engage in. I average about 17mpg in my grand marquis with a mix of city and highway driving. Pure highway driving I can get up to 22 or 23mpg on a good day. How are you getting 28? Weight reduction?
>>27644102I'm the Cedric person. I routinely got 25-28 on the highway in my sts. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume it's possible for the grand marquis on flat ground in rather ideal ( highway with no traffic) conditions. I ended up at about 26 or on this tank, due to its gearing and better aero it does better at us speeds than the Cedric turbo.
>>27644143The total after my return from the Kennedy space center.And yes the check engine light is on, the cats were failing.
>>27643226>>27643974Anon, what is lost in all of your cope posts is you(or the early 1st gen guy) started trolling about mpg being the end all to savings. I simply pointed out that there is more than 1 way to skin a cat. >>27643897See >>27620717 >>27621082 only 1 of them answered. >>27644102>>27625696 here, I've got 26.4mpg on a trip before in the Town Car and that's hand calculated. There's something wrong with your car if you're only getting 22mpg pure highway. >>27644143>due to its gearingThis. I have 3.27s in my Town Car. IIRC he said he had 2.73s when I asked.
I love these threads, as I am always looking for ways to maximise the value i get from this hobby.
>>27645725If you care about hypermiling there are lots of relatively cheap tricks to gain better economy.Under trays and air dams made from political plastic polystyrene boards can help smooth airflow. Hot air intake ( routing the intake to grab air from around the header, or between the header and block)Swapping to a hotter thermostat and advancing timing a few degrees can sometimes helpClosed face wheels tend to have better aero. Rear wheel spatsAnd of course driving habits.
>>27646169These all sound great but to be quite honest senpai, the GM Volt does all that and more. Plus you wont need to pay for constant ICE related repairs, as you drive in EV mode 99% of the time.Thats how these guys are getting literally 2500+mpg
I can get 27mpg with the tires at 36psi and driving like a grandma but I bought a 300hp car and Im going to enjoy it, and dont care that I get 24-25.Its a fucking joke to live your life financially constrained by fuel economy. All those rich and powerful people who tell you to suck the shit dick of peasant living dont care that they spend 150,000 a year on jet fuel.Time is precious and I regret all the slow cars I've owned that made me waste time waiting to turn or merge, or couldnt go 150MPH in the dead of the night on empty 100+ mile stretches pf highway.So fuck you. All those people ypu think are wasting money are saving time for themselves not living like a fuedal fucking serf and have more time to make momey and enjoy that money.What wow 52MPG saves me like $1100 a year but I lose tens of hours of my life doing nothing of value.Go buy a fucking 300cc motorcycle or better yet ride a bike to your 5 mile in city job commute otherwise, youre either braindead or lying to yourself.
Is there anything that is truly good and fun to drive that is also fuel efficient as an enthusiast?The only car I can think of might be the Honda CRZ which had a manual and even super charged option. Personally, and I feel many car enthusiasts feel this way, I don't mind paying extra in fuel to have more fun. It's worth it in my opinion.
>>27646826No EV is "getting literally 2500mpg" because that would require the power plants to be 800% efficient.If you dont understand why thats absurdly impossible you have a lot of reading on thermodynamics to do.
>>27646856Miata, 86/BRZ, 4 cylinder BMW etc. etc.
>>27646854>300hp>fast
>>27646854300hp is just not as much as it use to be. Basic transport now days can generally match older 300hp sedans and sporty cars.a volts 0-60 is 7.5 Seconds. A Prius is 7.1s. A toyota sienna minivan is between 7.5 and 7.9 seconds.my 270 ISH HP cedric turbo is about 6.5s, which includes brake boosting and only changing 1 gear. Without brake boosting Its probably 7.5s or more. It's only about comparable to my STS before, and my 80's z51 vette. ( at least in the 0-60 and 0-100 ranges, after that it being as aerodynamic as a panel truck hampers its acceleration)Not sure that a 300hp car is going to really be all that "fast" compared to general traffic anymore unless its a turbo miata, or lotus exige or something.
>>27647095>>27647117Nowhere did i say 300hp is "fast" (its certainly faster than most things on the road and is enough to outpace nearly all truck cucks past 40mph).Only mention of 300hp speed is I said it does 150mph.Stop having autism.
>>27646875None of those are particularly fuel efficient
What's the point of my $280k salary if I can't spend it on cars I like and drive them how I want?
>>27647117Horsepower is only part of the story of how quick a cars is. It also depends on the ability to turn that power into motion.An older Tesla Model 3 RWD only has around 250hp, but because it is relatively lightweight by modern standards and well balanced it can use that power effectively and do 0-62 under 6 seconds.There's a few limited edition RWD Model 3s that are 300hp, under 4000lbs, and can do 0-62 under 5 seconds.The new RWD Model 3 is slower and heavier, but its still quicker than a Prius. The new AWD Model 3 Performance is crazy fast.
>>27646870PHEVs of the vintage of the Volt often have trip computers that only use MPG figures for fuel consumption rather than combined MPGe taking the electricity into account. Their owners often take the same shortcut only considering the fuel they put in.Volt was designed around a mixed-use annual consumption of around 100MPGe, but drivers who minimize the internal combustion engine by driving them like they're a short-range car can hit 130MPGe or more.Once you start trying to consider the full long tailpipe, gasoline always comes out worse because its extraction and refining is so energy intensive. Fuel refineries often have electrical consumption similar to mid sized cities, and of course all that fuel has to be transported which usually involves electric pumps, or burning fuel which indirectly uses electricity.So while there's no such thing as a free lunch, being able to run directly off of electricity is still the best option because it skips a lot of energy conversions and the transportation is the most efficient currently possible.Even better if you can run on your own electricity you generate locally.
>>27611860If you have to care about the price of gas or anything else, you're poor.
>>27647309iirc it's something like 1 gallon of fuel takes 4kwh of electricity to produce. That means fueling something like a Civic already uses up almost 50kwh of electrcity, enough to recharge a standard range Model 3
>>27647117>a volts 0-60 is 7.5 SecondsNot the 1st gens posted ITT. >Basic transport now days can generally match older 300hp sedans and sporty cars.That's not even true though. An old 300hp sedan like a Marauder does 0-60 in 7s, a modernish 300hp V6 Camry does it in 5.9s and a V6 Mustang with the performance package did 5.1s. A modern 4cyl econobox is 8s+. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a37418355/2022-honda-civic-vs-2021-hyundai-elantra-mazda-3-nissan-sentra-toyota-corolla-volkswagen-jetta-compared/
>>27646854EV powertrains are both more fun and cheaper to run than gas engine ones. I didn't get an EV to drive slow. I got one to drive the exact same way I do with any other car but to get huge efficiency gains while doing it.
>>27647429>it's something like 1 gallon of fuel takes 4kwh of electricity to produce.More like 6 to 12 to extract it, refine it, deliver it to a gas station, and put it in your fuel tank.
>>27647289It's the 7+ speed transmissions with an effective 25+ to 1 first gear ratio that give new cars such better 0-60 with the same or less power as older cars.Mine for instance is an early 10s design with a 4.5 1st on a 3.2 diff, for a 14.4 ratio. 0-60 with 280hp is in the mid to low 6s. If I had something like a zf9 and a 3.5 diff I could be in the 5.8s range easily, mid 5s with a bit more power.But comparing ICE to EV just from accel specs isnt fairly equivalent, an ICE loses that first bit of time getting into the high power band nothing more or less.>>27647309>130mpge or moreI know what EVs are equivalently capable of, which is why I exactly stated that power plants would need to be 800% efficient for a retard claim of 2500mpg. Given that power generation is at best 45%, we can work 2500 back to ~135MPGe if our electricity plant was 800% efficient.>all the restDrivel. Added nothing to the conversation.>>27648173>cheaper>i didnt get an EV to drive slowAin't gonna be all that much cheaper using it that way. I've done statistical analysis on ev vs ice consumption comparisons across multi factor efficiency zones based on driver's use. Using an EV outside of the tested "normal driving" behavior can reduce range a considerable amount, and the real cost at such low efficiency wh/m zones means it is nearly the same as gas.The money saving when you get out of the ~300wh/m range is almost entirely from a lack of oil/fluid changes and doubled brake lifespan, and ultimately is insignificant when comparing total ownership cost over 12-15 years.>but it has x power an speed blahblahYeah yeah yeah and you're using upwards of double or more the watt hour per mile to "drive spirited" as much as you want when the real cost factor between ice and ev consumption is only ~1.7x to begin with.Hey its your car enjoy it but dont try to weasel me about the range loss when not granny driving the thing.
>>27648226>Given that power generation is at best 45%,Doesn't matter because as I explained, and you dismissed, electricity generation losses are baked into fuel as well.You can't get away from it. Everything is paying that cost.>Using an EV outside of the tested "normal driving" behavior can reduce range a considerable amountYou think gas cars on a track get their EPA efficiency? There's a reason why track cars need 30 gallon endurance fuel tanks bolted in.>the real cost at such low efficiency wh/m zones means it is nearly the same as gas.Even when I really put my foot down on on the street, it can be a challenge to get a Model 3 under 100mpge.At what I pay for my own electricity, even with the hefty Government fees for owning an EV, it still costs significantly less than gas.
>>27648250>mpge A whimsical nonsense measurement created by confused marketing nonces and intended for confused dipshit masses. You're smart enough to understand and compare MPG and watt-hour/mile so don't fall into the trap of thinking MPGe is meaningful in any way.I'll bet, you boyracer street drive your model 3 for a week, instead of 180-220 wh/m you're gonna see 275-300. Compared to if I do it, and see my 25.5mpg go down to a whopping 24.25One is a 40% decrease in efficiency, the other just 5%.
>>27648222Amazing>the grid will collapse overnight if we all switch to EV!
>>27648312https://www.concawe.eu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/rpt_12-03-2012-01520-01-e.pdf>Refineries rely mostly on internally generated energy from their own fuels, although most of them also exchange electricity or steam or both with third parties.What that last part means is more of a knock-on effect. Because refineries have considerable power generation capacity for themselves it's a smart (and in certain ways a regulated requirement, some of which being a military safety thing) idea to be able to tie into grid-sharing systems.And IIRC from the last time I looked into this, refineries generate more than 85% of their necessary energy, themselves. They can do this because oil processing has a lot of dirty, crude burnable products, gaseous hydricarbon waste, and etc. that are not useful or used to make/refine oil.And it's fantastic that refineries can burn what is effectively waste byproduct while making oils/hydrocarbons from the base crude.So yes, if you snapped your Thanos glove and made the entire world 100% EV overnight with no other changes it would overburden all electrical grids.This is another example of the biggest argumentative problem to come from EV stuff. You see "X needs Y power anyways!" and instead of understanding HOW IT WORKS TO BEGIN WITH, you assume that refineries draw 100 megawatts from the grid when in reality it is closer to 10.The EV posters seem to love to learn so I hope I helped just a little bit.
>>27648357This just proves that oil is even dirtier, burning enough crude to generate enough to power literal cities.
>>27648366You're not understanding what really goes on in a refinery.80-90% of the energy needed is to create heat, not use actual electricity. Distillation heats a liquid and separates the different chemicals by exploiting the boiling points.They essentially burn waste products to make heat, and only need a small fraction of that energy as electricity to run their systems, pumps, etc.It's such a fantastic way to do things that refineries are 85-90% efficient.So when someone tells you>"It takes 5kwh to produce a gallon of gas!"4,500 of those watt hours is not using any electricity whatsoever. It's heat energy for distillate tapping.you can go ahead and look up anything I've said
>>276118602012 vw cc with the cursed 4cylinder 2liter turbo. Previous owner had all the bad luck (waterpump replaced, spark plugs misfiring, timing belt replacement, oil filter) i bought the car at 40k miles and its my daily. Do my own oil changes twice a year, top off inbetween and recently replaced the front wheels. 35mpg mostly interstate. 105k miles.
>>27648385>90% efficient>losses at every step after that>ICE is only 30% efficient at the end of the chainSeems incredibly inefficient to me
>>27648439Nice opinion tranime freak.>picrel41
>>27648443>no argumentsI accept your concession
>>27648444>concessionI "violated US law" by telling you to kill yourself lmaoconcession?
>>27637532You can probably find a few old OEM ones floating around and there's probably an EV battery shop that can make something compatible if they don't have something already (cost will be reasonable to very pricey, get several opinions.)For the most part since the Volt's a PHEV the battery's probably very well maintained. No fast charging, system never lets battery go bellow 20% (engine turns on)Priuses have tons of aftermarket batteries, even the Nissan Leaf has a few companies making batteries for it (with actual fucking active cooling). There's even a few mods to take it from ChinkDeMo to CCS so you can actually fast charge.
>>27648551m8 just want to point out, all electric/hybrid vehicles use the 20/80% charge rule to maximise battery lifespan. they have to else the batt packs would be sub-80% capacity, failure prone by 100k miles, and severely affected by high and low temps.
>>27648271Except that in my experience 'boy-racing' my weekend car that does 30mpg maybe even 40 in optimal conditions at times, I'm lucky to do double digits.The losses from driving an EV fast are no more than the losses from driving a gas car fast.The KERS actually reduces it somewhat by comparison, unless you shut it off, which to be fair is still often necessary under track conditions.MPGe has one use, which is comparing BEVs FCEVs, or plain old HEVs to gas cars in a way that is easy for people who only have experience with pure gas cars to understand.Ultimately energy consumption is energy consumption, and stored energy is stored energy. It really doesn't make sense to put 12kWh of electricity into a gallon of gasoline, get 33kWh of stored energy out of that, and then burn it in a gas engine for maybe 6kWh of useful work.
>>27648357>refineries generate more than 85% of their necessary energyTo be clear when we talk about 6 to 12kWh of electrical consumption in the long tail pipe of gasoline, we are talking just about that leftover 15%, plus the electricity that drives the pumps to move the fuel around before and after the refinery.
>>27648357Without need for refineries, there would be no meed to power them
>>27648705>>27649506>can't read - retarded>>27648692>KERSit isnt KERS you retardGo be 14 years old somewhere else.
>>27648705>when weNo that's you, and I'm me. "When we" is manipulative female language and the phrase invalidates you.Reading comprehension is half the fun. I say everything I mean and I mean everything I say. You seem to say everything someone else wanted you to.
Never buying an EV enjoy your paperweight after 6 years idiots
>>27649525OP here, mine is 10 years old and gets over 2000mpg.The GM Volt is dirt cheap, but you have to be High IQ to understand value
>>27649514>Can't adress the fact that without need for refineries, there would be no meed to power themLol I accept your surrender
>>27611860Imagine caring about the cost of petrol
>>27649614>t. poorfag who doesn't understand money
>>27649514>it isnt KERS you retardKinetic Energy Recovery SystemWhat do you think regenerative braking is?
>>27649793regen braking isnt KERS you dumb shit nigger faggot shill cunt, fuck tesla and fuck EVS.
>>27649961>A kinetic energy recovery system (KERS) is an automotive system for recovering a moving vehicle's kinetic energy under braking>The recovered energy is stored in a reservoir (for example a flywheel or high voltage batteries) for later use under acceleration.I know English is hard for a third worlder, but please try to keep up.
>>27649525Mine is 12 years old and has already paid for itself in running cost savings but I'm sure it will be a horrible decision any day now.
>>27650687KERS is a specific term for accessory power storage to use when acclerating and specifically refers to race "boost power" systems.regen-recharge braking is a supplemental power recovery system.hybrid/ev regen braking is nothing like a KERS and the term should never be used.you are fucking stupid and deserve to be belittled and insulted
>>27637360You're responding to an ESL that bought a Chevy volt for his first car. Not even worth it.
>>27649506Humans will always need to refine crude oil for petroleum byproducts.
>>27649610You are a nigger who cannot fathom the world around you.
>>27649506>>27649610unfortunately for you we DO need refineries because of all sorts of products that come from crude oil, not to mention chemical processes that rely on the products, or byproducts, of refining crude oil.not enough people truly realise nor appreciate just how dependent on oil modern society is. our world really does literally run on oil, it sure as shit isn't going away any time soon.
>>27650800>KERS is a specific term for accessory power storage to use when acclerating and specifically refers to race "boost power" systems.No it isn't you fucking retard, even Mazda's i-Eloop system is condidered KERS
>>27612088idk murcans might get spooked if they had to pay euro gas prices>>27611860its beyond over
>>27651321ok retard I bet you're brown too
>>27651483Read nigga readhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy_recovery_system#Car_manufacturers
>>27651491regen braking SPECIFICALLY turns the EV motor backwards and feeds power to the main traction batteryKERS-type systems either spin up a flywheel or charge supercapacitors.the i-ELOOP is a KERS, yes, it is not a regenerative brake.
>>27651495This is currently the stupidest post on /o/ right now>turns the EV motor backwardsNo it doesn't you're still going in the same direction>feeds power to the main traction batteryAlmost like it's recovering kinetic energy?
>>27651511I can not put this any simpler to your simple, fried brain than I can right now:Regen braking is using ther EV motor as a gen to feed power back to the main battery.KERS has additional components such as a flywheel or capacitor bank, and those get charged primarily, not any main battery.KERS =/= regen braking.
>>27651517>kinetic energy is recovered by the means of a vehicle's built in system>somehow this isn't a kinetic energy recovery systemYou seem to be doubling down on your retardation after claiming only race cars can have KERS, then admiting that the Mazda3 has it as well
>>27651530dont care didnt read lalala
>>27651517>KERS has additional componentsNo it doesn't, not as a necessity. Most KERS systems now are simply charging the cars main battery pack. The line between 'super capacitors' and 'batteries' has been blurry for a while now ever since battery packs could start accepting and delivering hundreds of kW.Your only objection is you think that EVs are lame, and KERS sounds cool to you so you don't want to accept the fact that every EV on the road is driving around with a KERS.
>>27651243speaking of refineries, fear not for we have clean coal™>just how dependent on oil modern society isthings might get grim yea, I'm looking forward to woodgas cars and other archaic stuff
>>27651531https://youtu.be/6tGudIcnczc?t=39
>>27651586Woodgas actually makes sense for home combined heat/power in winter if you live somewhere with wood as a renewable resource.Just doesn't really make sense to cart it around all the time in a car now, but you could use it to charge an electric car.
>>27651671>That one woodgas weirdo turns upLad, there are zero woodgas cars on the market. The GM Volt is cheap and readily available.Wondering about this and that is pure naval gazing, while the High IQ are stacking cash.
>>27611860I got this towing 1000kg with another 150kg in the trunk
What's the difference between a Vauxhall Ampera and a Prius Plug In?From what I understand the ICE engines are both connected to generators, and those generators are wired to the drive motors through gearbox magic, with the battery in between.There are far more Prius Plug In available on Autotrader than Amperas
>>27651933Both are technically plug-in hybrids but the Ampera has a greater priority on electric while the Prius Plug-in has a greater priority on gas. The Ampera can go further on a charge and has things like electric heating and air conditioning and can sustain high speeds without kicking on the engine. The Prius plug-in is more limited in its electric operation, unless you're talking about the 2016+ model which works closer to the Ampera with a greater ability to stay in electric mode. It's still not quite as "electric" as the Ampera, though.
>>27651495>>27651511The motor doesn't turn backwards but it does run in reverse to generate electricity back into the battery. In the Volt, you can shift into reverse up to around 30 MPH and transition from regen braking to reversing in one smooth motion. You don't even feel a change in the acceleration on your body. It's pretty weird.
>>27651671ye the power cuts are getting a bit hectic, so some localised energy generation would be useful.energy storage is the tricky part, but its more of an upfront cost than a major ongoing one.>cart it around all the time in a carkek, its quite an image
>>27651331they definitely would especially if they had to keep up with a 40 year old 350 guzzling gas like theres no tomorrow like i do
>>27651971I seeMy commute is only about 14 miles round trip at the moment so I feel like either option would suit me, but I could see the Ampera being more suitable if my commute changed to a longer one I thought the Prius had electric heating and air conditioning because you can set it to pre-condition, but I must be mistakenI'm probably still a year or two out from buying either so it's more time to think about it
>>27652400The early plug-in Prius doesn't IIRC, but the later ones (2017 MY and up) do.
>>27652400The Ampera is better in every way, and particularly for your use cases.The european versions were actually upgraded too, so yours will be better than the Volt.
I drive a gen 1 chevy volt and that shit only gets like 35mpg I don't even know what you're bragging about OP.All your pic suggests is that you barely drive it, or you only take short trips.
>>27656251The battery has enough range to cover the average trip in the US.
>>27648173>EV powertrains are both more funobjectively wrong
>>27657868Instant throttle response is fun.
>>27613623My Peugeot 205 is this.
>>27659250How much does throttle response matter when you're still cutting a basically 10s 0-60 >>27647607>>27656251Just read through the thread, it's a never ending saga of volt owners coping about how they're "saving money" while pretending people don't leave a 19 mile radius of their home.
>>27660491Because it's still more fun than gas cars that do 0-60 in 10 seconds. It's also more satisfying to have your input be met with a predictable and consistent output even when driving at normal cruising speeds. It has an entirely different character compared to a 4 cylinder CVT economy car.If I have a car that's like a regular compact car but is more fun and *far* more efficient while not costing any more to buy, how is that cope? I'd argue the person who instead bought a Civic/Corolla/Elantra/Cruze/Focus is coping because they have a car that costs much more to drive and maintain. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with those cars, but there's very clearly a benefit of getting a Volt over any of those cars.
>>27660689>Because it's still more fun than gas cars that do 0-60 in 10 seconds>cvt equipped 3700lb shitboxIs this the first and only car you've owned or something? You seem extremely stupid saying something like this. An old 1.6L NA isn't far off a 10s 0-60 and it's 1000x more fun.
>>27660723It doesn't have a CVT. It has an eCVT, which despite its similar name uses entirely different principles. It's more akin to a one speed transmission.I'm not comparing it to a Miata. I'm comparing it to cars most closely resembling in it in size and segment, like the Honda Civic and Toyota Corolla.
>>27660734Me again. I was curious to learn more about how the Volt's drivetrain works and is basically uses planetary gears to achieve infinite gear ratios instead of belts. It doesn't actually shift, though, it spins one shaft (motor 1) faster or slower which forces another shaft (motor 2) to spin slower or faster while maintaining speed of a third shaft (the wheels) to keep the combined speed of the motors down to improve the efficiency or something. I don't know. It's still not as efficient as a BEV without planetary gear wizardry.
>>27660734An E-CVT is just a worse CVT since it's simulating the bands ability with clutch packs. https://www.gm-volt.com/threads/watching-the-volt%E2%80%99s-4et50-transmission-shift-gears-in-extended-range-mode.336870/
>>27660923The planetary gear set in an eCVT has far less friction to contend with than the belt and pulley system in a CVT.
