Is the 4th Gen Mustang a good car?
>>27831154Found On Road Dead
>>27831154Slow unless you dump thousands into it just to hopefully make it comparable to a modern ish v8 performance wise.That said I've still owned 3 of them. They're very reliable very fun and very cheap. Sound great too almost no matter what you do with the exhaust system. They're pretty comfy. Interior quality is dog shit but I can't name a 90s muscle car that actually has good interior anyways. I remember my first completely unmolested GT kinda felt like a boat. Like the newer mustangs do but with even worse handling characteristics. Again, performance doesn't matter unless you're going to the track really. It's all about feel.I felt the 95 firebird I had was about as fun overall. But it wasn't as comfy and didn't sound as good. Even after doing 4.10s I was just kinda meh. Great fun car but man I missed the exhaust note of my 97 GT. Wish I remembered what was done to that exhaust.
>>27831209Gonna have to disagree with you on sound. OHC V8s never sound right to me. Otherwise, yeah, they're "fine". Building one is a money sink and a half for very limited returns. Knew a few guys who have done it. Most wallowed shy of 500 horsepower, unable to break that ceiling because of diminishing returns for the sheer cost. One guy wedged an old SBF 302 in and had a cheaper go of hitting higher horsepower.You're limited by the transmission and rear end pretty badly. Luckily, there's plenty of aftermarket if you like lighting money on fire. Still better off just getting a foxbody. At least then you've got a better weight ratio to work with and there's a lot less fail points outside of powertrain.
>>27831154S550 is the best choice
>>27831202Found the camaro tranny
>>27831154Btw, that's not a real Cobra R.
>>27831298Wrong, Im with the chally wally gang
>>27831154Yes.>>27831209Or just start with a Cobra. Bolt-ons, gears and a DR and you're in the 12s. >>27831279>You're limited by the transmission and rear end pretty badly.>Still better off just getting a foxbody.They both use the same 8.8" diff, people sway SN95 rear ends and front spindles onto foxes to improve their brakes. Also, there's multiple transmission choices from built AODs and 4R70s to TKOs and T56s TL;DR You are retarded. >>27831296Late S197>S550 IMO>>27831450It's the prototype. That's why it has all those companies stickers that aren't Ford along the sill, because they used after market parts from multiple manufacturers. That's also why it's missing the dzus fasteners for the lip. >>27831470Pigfat garbage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeutgb3CiQI
>>27831154Faster than miat
>>27831154In the right trims, yesNot bad otherwise in standard trim but these are getting like the old Fox Bodies now where most know you're at a power disadvantage from newer models but as others said it's about "feel" and the overall muscle car experience.>inb4 but a few simple mods (money makes any motor fast)
>>27831154>lust provoking image>irrelevant time wasting question
>>27831154it's ok but the equivalent camaros and firebirds are better
>>27832762Terminator>4v Mach 1/cobra>ls1>2v gt>lt1
>>27832787literally any other gasoline V8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any modular engine
>>27832790Cope
>>27832803>shoots its spark plugs to the moonnothing personnel...kid...
Are these fun enough as a daily vs something like a Honda Fit? I've only had experience with low power nimble shitboxes but I do kind of want to try a muscle car. I'm just afraid of the boatiness and feeling like I need to speed to make the car worth it
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>>27832811Once you throw some gears in them, yes. Ford geared them to the moon to avoid the gas guzzler tax BITD.
>>27832825i'm a third gen fag, you don't have to convince me that catfish camaros aren't the prettiest. still better, given their LS1 and double bones
Bumping because SN95 doesn't get enough love <3
>>27831154I think they look worse that the generation before and after, but mechanically Ive heard they're fine
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>>27831154i bought a 01 v6 to put an explorer gt40 engine into, its a clean rust free car i bought for $900, it needed a bunch of sensors and a fuel pump and now its ready for the swap. all the goodies you see people swap onto foxbodies come off these cars, does that mean these are track destroying race cars? fuck no. they're still mcdonalds up front solid axle in the back with shitty gimmicky ford electronics, but you arent getting anything nicer this cheap. 4.6 makes no power got no potential unless you're swapping a cobra/mkviii motor and want it bolt in with a manual i wouldnt pay extra for a GT. there are ways to make these cars fast but i would look at a C4 vette first they're on bhph lots and as much as everyone hates the 3.8 they're still kicking past 200k and not complete ass to work on like a taurus, just be ready for everyone to expect you to be kyle who lives in a trailer drinking monsters and punching holes in walls
>friend calls to say he bought an automatic sn95 vert v6 for 5 grand>i call him a retard>it's a lhd jdm car with kmh cluster and japanese warning labels>mfw
>>27831154I remember them from my childhood. They were fairly boring and shitty, I'm pretty sure V6 Camaros were faster than the GT.Even though I hate the base, the Cobra R is still so fucking cool
>>27834724pic for ants
>>278347252000s racing games be like>SVT COBRA R
>>27834700>4.6 makes no power got no potential unless you're swapping a cobra/mkviii motorEven with the shitty stock heads you can get 260-270whp out of a 2V with FBO. >>27834724>>27834731That's pretty neat. Those taillights are worth a good portion of what he paid for the car alone. >>27834725>I'm pretty sure V6 Camaros were faster than the GT.Delusional retardation, they weren't even faster than V6 Mustangs.
>>27834902camaros a heavier car, ofc its slower, the two wheezy ass v6's make about the same powerthrowing money at a 2v is a waste, an lm7 makes 285 and a mkviii engine makes 295, no one cares about a 210hp engine especially if it cant make 300 cheaply, ford should have held onto the 5.0 at least as long as they did in the exploder, chasing cafe standards got them nowhere
>>27834976>camaros a heavier car, ofc its slower, the two wheezy ass v6's make about the same powerWhat does this have to do with some retard thinking a V6 Camaro was faster than V8 Mustang?>an lm7 makes 285 and a mkviii engine makes 295You realize 270whp is almost 320bhp, right? Never mind, you're too stupid to capitalize the first letter of your sentences. >no one cares about a 210hp engine especially if it cant make 300 cheaplySo now we're back to the pre-pi 4.6? That's actually easier, throw PI heads on and you end up with more hp because it's higher compression. Just like GT40 head swap on a 302. >ford should have held onto the 5.0 at least as long as they did in the exploder, chasing cafe standards got them nowhereWe wouldn't have the Coyote without the modular. You are literally retarded.
>>27834724still a big pile of money to fuckoff on a car that needs an immediate 302/t5 swap
>>27835107dont care about a small bore engine that costs 3x what it does to work over an ls or a windsor, including coyote. and you arent running a pi swapped npi on pump gas, thats an very expensive 250hp engine to run. 270 crank with bolt ons, not whpv6 shit, just pointing out the drivetrain sucks equally
Anyone know if these are good for tall drivers?
>>27834976>chasing cafe standards got them nowhereyou say that but they currently make the best v8
>>27832803Its absurdly rare and I'm not sure if they were ever raced, but GMMG snuck out a few LS6 powered ZL1 models only for 2002. It claimed 400hp like the Terminator but weighed nearly 500lbs less and had a 4.10 rear vs a 3.55
>>27836468Imma gm fangirl as much as the next guy but didn't those cars cost like triple the price of a z06?
>>27834902>fbo >270whp>its good engine sir
>>27836476I haven't been able to find the original sticker price anywhere but given the typical GM retardation of the time, probably. Doesn't help that there are 3 versions of the ZL1 with wildly different price tags.I'd imagine the phase 1 was probably ~45k given the Z28 was around 24k and a base SLP SS was about 30k
>>27832736>It's the prototypeLol.No, it's. It.It's a Cervinis body kit.The missing dzus tabs are just one issue.>wheels are wrong.Do you think Ford cast a set for the prototype and then made new casts for the production wheels?>exhaust is wrong.That shit is an embarrassment. I have a friend who was a Ford dealer salesman in 2000. I actually rode in a Cobra R (312 made) before it was delivered to the owner.Wasn't a fan of the Borla exhaust.Carpet on the rear seat delete was already falling off.But it was a pretty badass car overall.
>>27835152>and you arent running a pi swapped npi on pump gasThat's hilariously wrong, it's only 10.3-10.4:1 compression, you can easily run pump gas. >270 crank with bolt ons, not whpDo you think just saying retarded shit makes people think you're right? A stock PI motor with bolt-ons makes 260-270whp, a NPI with PI heads will make more. It's pretty simple. >>27836481>no potential>gaining 40-50whp NA with bolt-ons is badRetard, plz. >>27836783Anon, you are literally retarded. https://themustangsource.com/concept/00cobrar/index.htm>I actually rode in a Cobra R (312 made) before it was delivered to the owner.You rode in build #312? Crazy, they only made 300 of them.
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>>27831298AIDSbros we can't stop winning
>>27837347Is that the dude from Donut behind those 2 flaming faggots?
>>27831298>>27837347NEW CAMARO MEME!!!!!!!!
>nobody has said if the car is good or bad since the thread has started
>>27831154They make amazing & cheap sub 3k v8 drift cars. I've seen them taking some hard hits and keep driving. Also their engines are cockroach tough. They don't make fuck all for power but are tough.
Mogged by s197s
>>27839834>Pigfat>garbage transmission Supercharged 4.6 or 5.0 swapped new edge mogs that all day
>>27837345>but but if you do full bolt ons it becomes as good as a stock LS! it's still good!!1 I can get 110 at sonoco pumps so it's technically pump gas!!! see! see!!! it doesn't matter the intake valve is 1-3/4", it can make power like the rest of them!
>>27839852Just spend $20k on a few simple mods only to make less power than a stock 350z
>>27839857There's this retard on YouTube who did a all motor build on a 3v, not even a 2v, and still lost to a coyote with exhaust only
>>27831154it's good
>>27831154it's bad
>>27838628>nobody has said if the car is good or bad since the thread has startedsee >>27832736>Yes.>>27839852>hurr no potential>hurr it only makes as much as an engine 1.1L biggerWhy do you keep moving goalposts? I think most people would be happy if their NA engine could gain 50hp with bolt ons, I don't see how that's not "potential". >>27839857>bolt ons cost 20k>270whp is less than 190-210whp a stock 350z puts down on a mustang dynoPic related. >>27839989https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp6GFju4e5QYou mean this guy? He beat 2 different Coyotes in this video. And multiple LS powered Generic Motors too.
>>27842617nigga a 4.8 is 0.2l bigger, im not reading any of the other retarded cope you sperged, why are you defending it so much? did you fuck a 2v? did it sue you for child support?
>>27842821>nigga a 4.8 is 0.2l biggerAnd doesn't make near 270whp stock, you were clearly inferring LS1 power levels. Stop being retarded.>>27842821>any of the other retarded copesee>>27839852>I can get 110 at sonoco pumps so it's technically pump gas!Again, you can run a NPI/PI combo on pump gas. You pretending you need race fuel is full on retarded cope. >why are you defending it so much?Why are you pretending a 50hp gain from bolt-ons isn't a good gain? Is it because >>27834700>4.6 makes no power got no potentialWas wrong and you've been moving goalposts ever since?
>>27842852sweetie, we're talking about crank hp,for the third time. get on meds or some shit
>>27831154yes but the fox is the GOAT
>>27842860No you fucking retard, we weren't. >>27834902>i say whp first>>27834976>literal retard replies about bhp>>27835107I then correct you about the topic being whp
>>27842617>build a car that drives in a straight line>spend tens of thousands probably>no pulls at the strip, only dynos>no mention of class or comp>i totally built the engine just for a youtube street racing video broseems sus, i want to see an ET
>>27842884you specify whp first because no one knows what the fuck you're talking about, no one fucking talks about an engine by itself referring to its whp in a undefined car
>>27831202Silence, boomer
>>27837346>it was extremely hot and humid holy fuck the 2v cope
>>27842891You can roughly deduce ET by hp, weight and gearing. I think he states in the vid he does rolls to eliminate the driver difference a launch can make. >>27842894>no one knows what the fuck you're talking aboutNobody knows the difference between power measured at the wheel and at the crank? How do you usually measure your gains, by pulling the engine out every time you add a new part and sticking it on an engine dyno? A stock PI 2V dynos around 220whp, and I mentioned what a bolt on 2V does. Just because you're retarded doesn't mean you have to cope about it Anon. I even pointed out that 270whp is roughly 320hp since you're so stupid, but your feeble mind couldn't process the information.
>>27843042your source is one dude in a facebook post who blows thousands on a 2v exhaust and thinks detroit in late winter is hot and humid. car dynos suck for anything except measuring relative changes while tuning. the weight of the wheels will make a difference, the transmission will make a difference, the gear ratio will make a difference, the fucking tire pressure will make a difference, its effectively measuring your cock in a nursing home hopped up on a dozen prescription meds trying to figure out who had a bigger cock when you were 20. whp is a figure with so many variables its useless
>>27842884how much further are you going to derail this retard? anything you can do to a 4.6 you can do to a 5.0/5.8 cheaper and easier
