I'll lay out the fundamental problem with EVs:>it's the batteries, stupid!Batteries are about 16x less dense than gasoline. Even when you take into account the superior efficiency of electric motors (70-90ish % vs 40% for ICEs) that only makes batteries about 1/10th as good as gasoline. Fuel cells are the only realistic answer in the near-term, and that tech hasn't gone anywhere in decades. So until the battery problem is solved, failures like Ford's F-150 electric shitbox are going to worsen as consumers figure out that EVs suck. And no, battery research is never going to solve the problem (at least not for hundreds of years). Battery tech is very slow to advance, it has always been slow to advance, and there are no "breakthrough" technologies that will change that.
>>27836957I'm sorry Elon Musk seized twitter from a jeet CEO, donates 45 million USD a month to Trump, and raped your mom
that's nice, but tesla is still going to take over the world with EVs if one of the legacy automakers don't do it first. Ford making an unprofitable product doesn't mean EV adoption isn't going up.
>the only thing that matters is energy density ok retard
>>27836957>And no, battery research is never going to solve the problem (at least not for hundreds of years)Nigger there are literally solid state batteries on the market in consumer products right now, production scaling is going to happen very soon
>>27836969>energy density doesn't matter for energy storage devicescope
>>27836957>t. busriderSorry you can't afford an EV Paco, must be rough
>>27836975Why do you have your house connected to the grid? Run it off a gas generator if it's 10x better.
>>27836975It's pretty far from being the only thing that matters, especially when you consider differences in drive-train components. Yeah, a battery is less energy dense than a tank of gasoline, but an electric car doesn't need a fucking ENGINE which contributes a bit of weight to the vehicle I think.
>>27836973Nigger, solid stage batteries are literally an incremental improvement. >Toyota, Japan's biggest carmaker, has said its mass production of cars with solid-state batteries will only come "later than 2030.https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Technology/Nissan-and-others-eye-mass-producing-solid-state-batteries#:~:text=Toyota%2C%20Japan's%20biggest%20carmaker%2C%20has,state%20batteries%20will%20expand%20rapidly.
>>27836981Are you seriously going to argue vehicle weight when it comes to EVs?
>>278369882025 BMW M5 - 5,390 poundsTesla Model S Plaid - 4,776 lbsI accept your concession.
>>27836983>ToyotaToyota very openly doesn't care about the EV market and actively wants to discourage their adoption, they are about the worst example you could have given.
>>27836988You are painfully retarded and incapable of critical thinking
>>27836997Toyota is the largest car manufacturer in the world. Their strategy of ignoring EVs has been working very well, as shown by their strong sales of hybrids and other vehicles.
>>27836973>production scaling is going to happen very soon2 more weeks
>>27836992In reality, here's an Apples to Apples comparison. An EV F-150 with much worse range and towing ability still weighs 50% more than its ICE twin.
>>27837013That's why their value is half of TSLANow cope and explain how you are smarter than the entirety of the world's financial system (while not holding Toyota or shorting Tesla of course because you actually have no conviction about your dumb beliefs)
>>27837013Soon, there will only be Toyota and Taco Bell
>>27837013That's not really relevant when your post what about Toyota saying they're going to wait to implement new battery tech. Toyota waits and plays it safe with everything, they always have. Trying to use their strategy to claim that new technology isn't coming for other manufacturers is retarded.
>>27837024Saying things like "the battery tech is complete, we just need to put it into production!" is retard tier retarded. Even Musk admits that mass production is a way harder problem than developing the tech in the first place.
>>27837024What is smart is not using EV tech that is shit compared to current ICE tech.
>>27837030The tech is IN PRODUCTION, you can buy it right now on Amazon. The manufacturers are selling the product so that they can scale production and lower manufacturing costs, which is the way every new technology is introduced since the dawn of industry you retard.
>>27836957Nuclear powered car
>>27837044dilate
>>27836957They should have stuck with perfecting hybrid cars
>>27837044Are there any EV manufacturers who have issued press releases stating that they will switch to the new batteries in the next two years or something similar?
>>27836957Doesn't address the root cause of the root cause. In order to have energy become 'greener', it must become more efficient, moving people larger distances with less/cleaner sources of fuel. All automotive and energy companies oppose this because making travel more efficient would also necessarily make it cheaper, because people are consuming less energy to travel. That's what the market is fighting, not the adoption of EVs in particular. Cheap/easily available energy of any kind, which would make line go down, because there are less sales, because people are consuming less. Simple as.You have to attack the issue at its heart and establish strong protections for consumers and strong punishments for corporate interests that keep trying to fix prices high. Make it tantamount to treason, not a white collar misdemeanor, and people will stop fighting it because you can't spend your money if you're dead.
>>27837020>That's why their value is half of TSLAI bet you don’t even know what a P/E ratio is.
>>27837102If their PE is too high then short it. You won't though because you have no clue what you are talking about. TSLA market cap is more than double that of Toyotas. That means the market (actual smart people that deploy money) has determined the value of Tesla is double that of Toyotas. If you aren't putting money down, you must not have any valid opinion. If Tesla is overvalued or Toyota is undervalued, take a position on them with as much leverage as you can, it's free money according to you.
>>27837020>>27837102Tesla's value also comes from stuff like their house battery packs, grid scale battery packs, charging network (that has opened up to other companies and is now making money from most other EVs sold in the US) and solar panels and solar roofs. Toyota also has almost 200 billion dollars of debt that's lowering their share value. https://londonlovesbusiness.com/toyota-motor-is-the-worlds-most-indebted-corporation-with-a-net-debt-of-186bn/
>>27837109>If their PE is too high then short it. You won't though CorrectBecause shorting is betting WHEN retards like you will figure out it’s not worth that much. Which is nigh impossible.>stock price is the best way to gauge valuelmfao market crashes would never happen if that was the case.
>>27836957>efficiency of electric motors (70-90ish % vs 40% for ICEs)Gas cars would get 70 mpg if they had 40% efficiency, they're closer to 20%.A Tesla model 3's battery pack has the same amount of energy as 2.2 gallons of gas yet can travel 300 miles.
Too bad the motors are god-tier when we have such garbage fucking battery tech.
>>27837157>3,600 homes for an hourHalf a billion to power a hick town for an hour? How is this not a criminal act of stupidity and grift?
>>27837670Works on my machine, skill issue
>>27837679>reading comprehensionIt says 3 MWh is enough to power 3600 homes for an hour, and the contract was for 800 MWh of total capacity, dipshit
>>27837645Strange ford can't make any money selling them.
>>27837702Post "your" machine
>>27837020>That's why their value is half of TSLAStock value is totally irrelevant to real-world value. Tesla's market cap is what it is because they're a better stock shiller than Toyota, not a better automaker.You'd feel the absence of linux way harder than you would the absence of Apple, but only one of those has a market cap in the trillions.
>>27837100The issue is compounded by the very real threat of bankruptcy. Legacy automakers have a revenue model which is fundamentally dependent on continued sales of spare parts. Electric cars don’t need much in the way of spares. Therefore they are a bad long-term investment, since they result in lower long-term revenue. Legacy automakers have high fixed costs, thus they need a continuous revenue tail to sustain themselves, which can only be realistically achieved by selling spare parts. By contrast, both the Chinese and Tesla have different revenue models. The Chinese are directly subsidised by the CCP, whereas Musk demands his employees submit to wage-slavery (thus keeping personnel costs low), and refuses to license any tech, creating everything in-house (even if/when the in-house solutions are inferior).
>>27837645>A Tesla model 3's battery pack has the same amount of energy as 2.2 gallons of gas yet can travel 300 miles."same amount of energy" - what does that even mean? Even if true...it weighs way more than 2.2 gallons of gasoline, which negatively impacts efficiency. A full tank of 20 gallons of gasoline weighs much less than a Tesla battery pack
>>27836963>I can't combat him with facts so Ill just cope in stead.
Everyone who wanted an EV and the ability to charge/keep them has done so.
>>27836963Hilarious how leftists suddenly started hating on EVs once Elon took over Twitter.
>>27838415>Legacy automakers have a revenue model which is fundamentally dependent on continued sales of spare partsuhhh what? What common parts exactly would you typically even buy from the car manufacturer?
>>27838508There are people who spend 3-4 times the cost just buying discs and pads from the dealership
>>27838507EVs in the US typically have around half the emissions over the life of the vehicle. Increasingly they're used by the right as an argument against promoting cycling and public transport, as in, we can just continue as before, everyone driving everywhere, just with EVs. That is a form of climate denialism. The fact that punchable faces like Musk are the ones saying it, doesn't make it a cultural issue.
>>27838510jfc
>>27838519>b-b-but le cyclerino and bussinerino and environmentarino!!!!!!Fuck off right back to your shithole >>>/n/igger
>>27838525you post on /n/ cunt so ima post here. plus i probably have a cooler car than you. Just did the timing belt on it myself so probably know more about cars too
>>27838527Only thing you own is a bus pass >>>/n/igger
>>27838528You're never going to be very effective either if you refuse to understand what your enemies think
>>27838507I swear to god, on reddit, Elon flipped from Eco Space Jesus to Nepo Apartheid Hitler in less than 12 hourscoincidentally at exactly the same time the big 3 had to start competing with Tesla instead of using their carbon credits
>>27838419Do you even basic calculus? An 82 kWh battery holds the equivalent of about 2.4 gallons of gas (average energy density of around 33.something kWh). Let’s take the M3 Performance, which has the worst economy. Also let’s assume the EPA numbers are bullshit, and the real value is 200 miles (instead of ~300). This results in a range of 200 miles for a 2.4 gallon equivalent, that is, ~83 mpg. I don’t know any human-sized cars (not experimental quadricycles like the VW 1L) that can reliably hit those numbers.
>>27837020Tesla is a meme stockDo you also think Apple is the most important consumer electronics manufacturer in the world because of muh stocks?
>>27838475Are you saying the sales will be near zero or will be flat? Wait till the end of the year.
OP hit bees nest with a stick
>>27836980Because density is half of the problem dumbass? You can't run a nuclear plant to your car but you can to your house.
>>27838419>"same amount of energy" - what does that even mean?It means exactly what it means you retard, gasoline is a fuel source because it contains energy, the amount of which per a given volume assuming perfect combustion efficiency we are able to measure and quantify.
>"no one wants EVs!" >posts about EVs dying every day for the last 3 years This board seems weirdly obsessed with EVs
When are we going to stop having a controlled automotive economy?
>>27838667>can't afford a car>screech about EVs nonstop to try to fit in with people who have cars>get assaulted by niggers on the bus>fucking gamestop
>>27836992You're not fooling anyone with this intellectually dishonest response.
>>27838667>>27838679Daily reminder EV shills are brown trannies and cannot post car.Verification not required.
>>27836957Youtube killed the Ford Lighting 2 and all non Tesla EV trucks years ago when they tested it's truck chores abilities. It's failed miserably and it was all downhill from there.
>>27838690ganbatte busrider-kun, you'll save up enough for a 30 year old civic one day I know it.
>"hurr durr EV fag post car!" >EV fag posts car>schizo fucks off to another thread and starts all over againYou just know it's 1 autist with no job and no car shitting up this board. Probably the same guy making pro EV threads as well, he needs a boogey man so he invents one
>>27837020>but gais, stonk margit!Wanna know how I know you're retarded?
>>27838627I'm saying sales will flatline when everyone who wants one and can charge one has already bought one. The people without driveways, or a means to charge it will not buy an EV.
>>27838735Poorfags taking Ls left and right
>>27838739Congrats on excluding yourself from a huge section of the market, I guess?
>>27838742Poors aren't in the market for a new car anyway
>>27838508I generally buy only OEM parts when they're still available. Sensors, body panels, and bearings especially. Parts store aftermarket is typically junk, or their highest 'quality' tier costs nearly as much has OEM.
>>27836957Fact post and true statementhttps://x.com/EVNewsAustralia/status/1816337607585841201
>>27838703Post your car; you won't >>>/n/
>>27838722So where's """your""" car then?
>>27838519communists needs to be killed
>>27838947This is the part where you fuck off to another thread and pretend this never happened ;^)
I had a chat with one of MOMO's chairmen yesterday. He was just back from a large automotive meeting in Milan and said that several large automotive groups invested insane amount of money towards EV production output for nothing because right now the public is still very reluctant to purchase one. These groups are being hit very hard and will be for the next quarters at least.
>>27837632>>27838404>>27838567>>27838728>companies aren't worth whatever the consensus of the entire world's economic system says they are>companies are worth whatever I think they are and Tesla is overvalued because Elon hurts my feelings >but no I won't actually support my position by betting on it Every time >I'm 100% certain this coin flip will be tails>ok, let's bet $100 >nah coin flipping is just a meme bro
>car posted>schizo stops postingSasuga, busrider-kun
>>27838888Forgot pic
>>27838957you know the rules, bread on hood
>Sasuga, busrider-kun
>>27838957>>27838982>NNOOoooOOOO yYouU nEEEED TO REspONd WITHiinnnn 60 SECONDASSS!!!!!!!!111111Take your meds you absolute jobless hobbyless lifeless schizoid nigger.
>>27839017>V6 vert Hawaiian rental carlol
>>27839023>respons within 60 seconds>dads leased carlmao
>>27839081>if I wait the perfect amount of time nobody will notice I literally took a picture of a V6 Mustang in an airport rentacar lot to try to win an internet argument
>>27839128>post dads leased cuckpod>lurking 24/7 to respond immediately>get nervous if not immediately responded to>you when "driving" a car irl instead your gaymen console
>>27836957Is the problem in volume or weight?
>>27839159>there's only one other anon on /o/ I have no idea who or what you are talking about, didn't read the thread. Came in here to laugh at an anon pretending a V6 rental mustang is his car. Did you think nobody would notice anything weird about a parking garage with 3 V6 Mustang convertibles parked next to each other in Hawaii? How do you you end up in a situation where you have to pretend to own one of the most laughed at cars in the world?
>>27839172YWNBAW
>>27839172>board without any form of identification whatsoever >haha I am totally not that other guyIs your dad gone with the leased explosive vehicle?>Hawaii Yes, lovely place to be for work and pleasure.
>>27836957Li-ion batteries have reached their current potentialWe need a new battery, one that doesn't degrade or detonate
>>27838546>that is, ~83 mpg.Now turn on the AC or heater.
>>27839234>Li-ion batteries have reached their current potential Not really, there are still process improvements, like all-solid-state construction, lower reactivity materials, improved internal geometry etc. But, yes, there's a measure of diminishing returns in terms of the fundamental technology involved. >We need a new battery, one that doesn't degrade or detonate Anode-free all-solid-state sodium batteries are likely to be the next big thing, but are still about 3-4 years away from commercial production. They'll still degrade like a motherfucker, but at least they'll be much less likely to brew up, and will be cheap enough to replace regularly without bankrupting you.
>>27839183>>27839190Take a pic of your V6 Mustang convertible not parked in the airport rental lot and I'll post a pic of my face holding the title to my vehicle
>>27836957lmao EVs
>>27838980>>companies aren't worth whatever the consensus of the entire world's economic system says they areholy fuck you don't understand the basics. the price of a stock is it's perceived value TODAY based on FUTURE EXPECTATIONS. Those future expectations will inevitably change as the economy and company change. NO ONE can tell you what the stock price will be tomorrow, next week, month or year. That's why all stocks are inherently risky.>>companies are worth whatever I think they are and Tesla is overvalued because Elon hurts my feelings a P/E of 55 is INSANE. For reference the S&P 500 had a P/E of 34 before the dot com bubble which it took 5 years to recover from.when you plot it out compared to Applel and Microsoft, trading economics puts it on a different scale it's so insane. Microsoft and Applel both only briefly hit 40. https://tradingeconomics.com/tsla:us:pe>>but no I won't actually support my position by betting on it retardholding a stock and shorting/putting it are not exact opposites. when you hold a stock there is no expiration date for it. ANY short position has a due date and your prediction has to be true by that specific date. If the stock collapses the day after your short position expires, you get jackshit from it. whereas you can hold on to a stock as long as you damn well please. you sound like the kind of retard who trades options and doesn't understand theta decay or the tax implications of it.
>>27836983>Nigger, solid stage batteries are literally an incremental improvement.The primary selling point is rapid recharge, but it's clearly not ready for primetime. Infrastructure can't handle it and it's not ready to be scalable.
>>27839457that's a long wall of text to again say you know better than every trader, every quant algorithm, and every shareholder, but aren't willing to put any money on your belief. *yawns*. Look everyone, it's one of 500 million people on the internet that have it all figured out but are somehow dead broke.
>>27836957Post these threads isnt gonna improve your financial situation.
>>27838546>Do you even basic calculus? so a bettery has what, 20 times lower energy density thank gasoline? 50 times? Being 2-3 times as efficient makes no difference if you hold 10-20 times less energy. You cannot "basic calculus" you way out of range anxiety, and the fact that EVs have no feature parity with gasoline cars, while being more expensive and barely more environmentally friendly over their lifecycle (https://www.volvocars.com/images/v/-/media/applications/pdpspecificationpage/c40-electric/specifications/volvo-carbon-footprint-report.pdf).tldr; cope'n seethe
>>27838722No he just claims it's not your car when you post it and keeps screeching like a retard but never posts his non-existent shitbox. He's very predictable.
>>27838735Well see the thing about this is that you're assuming everyone who has bought an EV will not buy another one, when in reality wealthy people tend to trade cars and buy new ones like they're cellphones.
>>27839470>253 words is too much to read for a "trust the experts" redditor who basically doesn't believe in bubbleshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrational_exuberancehttps://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/mr-market.asphttps://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bubble.asp
>>27838722I know the user you're talking about. He's on here 18 hours a day, every day. He shits up /dbt/ all the time. He's really worthless.
>>27839498>say it's a bubble every day >wrong for thousands of days >market goes red for a few weeks >SEE I TOLD YOU!>had no bearish positions of course because "the market is a meme">still shares his "expert" opinions on the internet You don't seem to understand your type is a diamond dozen. If you think you understand the market, you would be making money on it. You aren't. You know nothing. If you did, your knowledge would print money. It's that simple.
>>278369731) people have been saying this shit for decades2) there is every incentive to making this happen, and yet it is not happening. this points to the fact that it isn't possible3) shut up and accept reality instead of living in a fantasy world where you get what you want because you want it. there are hard limits to the universe and this is one of them
>>27839682>1) people have been saying this shit for decadeswere the batteries available to purchase for decades?
>>27836997Toyota got fucked by their solid state program. they tried to undercut LION and got dendrites to deal with, They can make good batteries but the batteries kills themselves with dendrites.
>>27836966>EV adoption isn't going upIt isn't, germany removed the gibs for EVs and instantly lost almost all yearly sales.EVs are not good cars, a car you can't trust yourself to have at your home and be able to be sure your house won't be leveled by an electric fire at any time isn't a good thing to say to people.And no, teslas won't take over shit, they're most probably the worst cars to ever have existed, the whole car is centered on the middle display, they don't even have levers for fucking goddamn turn lights, regular lights or the fucking transmission, those cars are the most cheaply made garbage after chink death traps, zero QC and zero material quality.
>>27838528And for shit like this is why bicycles are forbidden on highways on my country, and as always, mutts are decades behind civilized countries.
>>27839720lmao, you're incapable of not posting like a schizo it's pretty funny
>>27838415do you know that the same legacy automakers are also getting CCP subsides in china? those aren't sino-automakers exclusives. The problems arrises when GM is using Crap LG bateries and Ferd and Stelantis aren't even players in the international markets. VAG is with their heads in the sand when it come to EVS and tesla is truly the only american automaker that can make leverage in china.
Total EV ban
>>27838988>>27839017Bread. Hood. Your turn. >>27839508>18 hours a dayHoly mental illness
>>27840000FUCK
>EVs deadAmerilards wish
>>27839017this is why it's never worth responding to these faggots. they'll just insult your car while never posting their own. this behavior started with Ukraine war tourists on /k/ who runied the >post gunsthing by doing exactly this, whereas previously when both anons had posted guns they just accepted they were two gun owners with different opinions rather than a 12 year old who didn't have access to a gun. there's seemingly no cure for this faggotary, it's basically terminal when it appears on a board.
>>27840015russia will be dismantled in your lifetime :)
>>27840052Two more weeks?
>>27840015Demanding the other side dox themselves on here is just a weak way to end an argument you are losing. You would have to be functionally retarded to post your shit here. Everyone knows ev's are expensive bullshit for fags. Captcha ttrs, god gives me a sign.
>>27840095Sounds like you don't have a car
>>27840052>everyone who disagrees with me is a Russian shill(You) people are more retarded than libtards in 2016
Should be picking up my i5 this weekend :~)
>>27836957Answering the title question, no EVs aren’t dead. Outside of North America, and to a lesser extent Europe and Australia, there really isn’t a road trip culture. You use a car in your metro area, maybe into the nearby countryside on occasion. For long distance travel, you take a bus or fly.
>>27840121Neat, post spec
>>27840003>he will post his car, but will never post his handwhat possessed you to buy something that ugly?
>>27840241Still not seeing a car
>>27839682Nigga the research into anode-free solid-state sodium battery construction got published literally this month. How quickly do you think companies can build them? It's not instantaneous, this ain't Star Trek replicators. It takes years of prototyping, design tweaks, and process improvements, to reach a commercially-viable product.https://www.nature.com/articles/s41560-024-01569-9
>>27838507Incredible, isn't it? We live in a world where only an extremely small handful of the creatures we call homo sapiens aren't either ontologically evil (that we few non-NPCs may perceive as "demons") or lemmings extremely susceptible to being led by the former group to their doom and highly resistant to anything else. We only got here because a couple of those good men were lucky enough to have been born under circumstances in which they could rise up and wrangle the latter group into not destroying themselves and actually working for long enough to create things that would take a lot of time and energy to destroy. Even then a numerous and primitive/stupid/evil enough race can wipe it all out in mere moments, never to return. It's happened several times throughout history and there may be nothing left the next time it happens
>>27837048based
>>27839726They aren't allowed on highways dumb nigger. why are non-americans always retarded subhumans?
>>27838507yep. and now, post the 45mil pledge, there's calls to boycott his companies. which, since spacex isn't exactly consumer facing, really means boycott tesla.
>>27836992>1989 fox body mustang- 2,880 Mine weighs in at 3,280 but it's the heaviest fox known to man.Sunroof, full stereo, supercharger/intercooler, underglow....
>>27840280Here you go, nigger
I think EVs will be on a 10-15 year hiatus for anything other than the luxury market or south american/chinese ultrashit boxes until newer batter tech is fully developed
>>27841297>random image from a parking lot in Japan
>>27841326>seethingit’s korea, dumb nigger gorilla
>>27841333Arr rook samuAlso no bread
>>27841333>it koreraherro preaseDo you drink the poop wine?
>>27841554Herro shitty wok
>>27841302nah, they're fully workable right now, as long as you have the ability to charge at home. if you need to do trips, tesla's (and everything else than can use superchargers) are good for that too.the real blockers of further adoption right now area) EV prices, but those are dropping all the time, and used teslas are already quite cheapbut more importantlyb) all the people in apartments who can't charge at home, and hence won't be buying an EVif (b) gets solved, adoption will continue to increase rapidlyif not, then adoption won't pick up again until charging times are in the low single digit minutes for a full charge, at which point EVs become practical again even if you can't charge at home.
>Are EVs dead again?EVs are having their biggest year yet, so no.
>>27842018This is their biggest year?!
ICE chads we can’t stop winning
>>27837017>6500lbsIn my cunt this is legally a commerical vehicle and has licensing restrictions and requires use of a tachograph
>>27842018Big losses indeed
>>27837670My 11 year old battery still works, and it's crude compared to new battery tech which is far more advanced.
>>27837068Hybrids are just gas cars that get a little bit better MPG. EVs are in an entirely different league.
>>27842052Nah newer hybrids are basically EVs with a "just in case" engine for people who have anxiety about charging for whatever reason. I much prefer not having to deal with the engine at all personally but modern hybrids are pretty nice.
>>27836957doesn't change the fact that a theoretical battery breakthrough could make ICEs obsolete.
>>27842113>EVs with a "just in case" engineDo normalfag npcs need more tho.
>>27836966>tesla is still going to take over the world with EVsyou mean BYD, right? they are at it already...
>>27841942Charging can easily be solved with some changes in zoning rules, same rules were changed in the first place to add parking for cars when more and more people started driving themselvesSeems pretty trivial to add a 240v outlet in a garage parking spot that bills to the tenant's electricity, condo corps just don't have an incentive at the momentFor street parking, curbside charging is already a thing. Biggest issue is the nigger problem, but it looks like bring your own cable can help keep chargers online at the very least
>>27836973Yeah, ones that cost 10x as much as regular ones, and are worse in every parameter imaginable.
>>27842286>Seems pretty trivial to add a 240v outlet in a garage parking spot that bills to the tenant's electricityyup. and it'd solve the issue for most city slickers, who are ofc the ones most likely to want an EV in the first place, since that's where they're most useful.and yet, not the US, not canada, not even anyone in europe has done it. weird, huh? not to get all conspiratorial or anything, but i wouldn't hold my breath.
>>27839256Nigga, the CEO of CATL, the biggest battery company out there (and a publicly traded one at that), just came on record saying solid state batteries are a pipe dream.>>27841942You can also charge plug-ins at home for all practical purposes
>>27842044more advanced in planned obsolesce lmao
>>27842400>plug-insphev are the worst of both worldsyou have the price and weight premium of a big ass battery and big ass "move the entire car by yourself, quickly too" motorsand on top of that you ALSO have all the weight/complexity/maintenance/reliability from a modern ICE power trainand on top of that, you have the bonus of the added complexity of getting them fuckers to work together smoothlyFUCK. NO.either you buy a pure ICE (preferably pre-2010 because modern ones SUCK)or you buy a pure EV (if you can charge at home)or, if you MUST compromise, you buy a toyota(/lexus) traditional hybrid, which is cheap and reliable, which very decent fuel economy in the city, because hybrid.
Cope and seethe. Total cost of ownership will favor BEVs without subsidies. It's inevitable.
>>27842408Volt has been pretty bulletproof
>>27842400>The CEO of a company that sells batteries just said that technology being developed by its competitors isn't good
>>27842433then its the exception, but the fundamental math of the equation doesn't change.
>>27842451The math doesn't have to change, because you're both wrong and a moron
>>27842410Cope and seethe. The EV experiment has completely failed.
>>27842405Planned obsolesce isn't real.
>>27842116> a theoretical battery breakthroughWell when that happens AND they’ve solved mass production issues, get back to us.It also still doesn’t solve the charging infrastructure and time delay problem.
