Post perfect cars.
>>27924090I see your gc8 and raise you an evo v
>>27924090does the gc8 have even a single flaw?
>>27924090
>>27924105It's not the Legacy
>>27924105Yes. Several in fact.
>>27924150He said flaw, not massive plus.
>>27924090Okay post one first
>>27924150Why are Subarus in pancake batter yellow so nice?
>>27924172More twin turbos for me, then.
1989 Volvo B10M
WOULD YOU LOOK AT THEM SEXY TANKY LINES
>>27924096GC8 is cooler desu.
>>27924090Reddit: the car
>>27924248cheaper too, unless you're looking at a 22b
Peak American engineering.
>>27924105has the fatal flaw of being over priced for what it is aka jdm tax.
>>27924253>inb4 the LX platform that was in development before Mercedes hostile takeover = Mercedes
>>27924262STIs, not really. They are cheaper than a new GR Yaris/Corolla and are objectively better.A WRX, one of the best value sports cars available. 15k AUD for a clean WRX. That's what, 10k USD?
>>27924090>Cheaper than competitors >top tier build quality, especially if PMC >performance AWD system with true torque vectoring that doesn't overheat (unlike Toyota)>Twin Turbo V6 that doesn't grenade (unlike toyota)>More luxury features standards while being cheaper than all its rivals>Will not find a better handling and luxury for its priceIts the perfect premium sports sedan. one of the few id actually consider buying.
>naturally aspirated>no direct injection>nikasil plated cylinders>wheel bolts, no centerlock>spoiler won't decapitate people>normal road car interior>room in the back to carry stuff
>>27924316>sunroofNope.
>>27924316i miss when Porsche was very tame with their track oriented cars. the R35 GTR buck broke them, and now GT3 and 2 series 911s have to look like Viper ACRs with race car inspired wings, diffusers, and big ass hood cutouts and chin spoilers all in the name of improving downforce that ruin the clean look of the car and are just embarrassing to drive around in because you look like a try hard.
>>27924337>the R35 GTR buck broke them, and now GT3 and 2 series 911s have to look like Viper ACRssort of? porsche responded to the R35 with the RS version of the 997 GT2, which still looks fairly tame in terms of bodywork, by today's standards at leastit's moreso that the lap time wars have incentivized carmakers to focus on obvious aero enhancements like large wings, splitters and the like
>>27924337Ironic as Nissan basically copied the 959 drivetrain to develop the attessa awd system for the skylines
>>27924359Porsche responded to the R35 with the 991 GT2 RS, which was not tame at all. the tamer looking 997 wasn't going to beat the R35 Nismo's time, and when they realized that, that is when they started making Viper ACR style track cars. suffice to say, they simply didn't care as much about lap times until the R35. they were the only ones at "war", whereas everyone else stock to their core philosophy. Ferrari and the Corvette aren't hard on the Aero like Porsche. in the Corvette's case, the aero shit is completely optional, and isn't taken from their GT race car.
>>27924316>wheel boltscancer
>>27924386The only people who like wheel bolts are people who have never had to deal with them
>>27924262>over pricedare you poor?
>>2792427110k usd gets you a salvaged title shit box with shitty mods and spliced to shit wiring, not to mention engine and trans on its last legs. you are better of with a hawk eye.
>>27924424im too poor to drive a over priced shit box, i roll my NARP.
>>27924377that's not ironic at all. the 959 wasn't a competitor to anything they were even making, and it wasn't even Porsche's main method of performance. after the 959, they started adding AWD to 911s, but they still stuck to RWD as their fastest performance layout. even now, AWD is more of an experiment for Porsche than anything they rely on for all out performance.Nissan copying the 959 is like GM copying the NSX's hybrid system. it doesn't mean they were buck broken by it. the 959 never actually even raced against anything nissan made.
>>27924449>>27924450>>27924454>>27924457>>>/reddit/
>>27924379The Corvette isn't innocent from the lap time "wars" though, GM killed the soul of the Corvette just to match its competitors. FR+Corvette-style leaf spring, the suspension style is named after the Corvette for fucks sake and GM killed it which means Corvette now has no soul
>>27924275LOL
>>27924379>Porsche responded to the R35 with the 991 GT2 RSyes that is exactly what i said, anon>which was not tame at allreally? you don't think pic related looks tame compared to recent cars? compare it to something recent like an AMG GT black series or a 992 GT3 RS, which have wings literally twice the size of the 997 GT2 RSi do think you're right in that the GT-R forced porsche to turn on the afterburners in terms of developing their cars for pure speed and porsche is where they are today in no small part thanks to nissan, but the late 2000s is when the horsepower wars and lap time wars really started to heat up IMO because they had sufficiently recovered from the 90s recession and the 2008 GFC didn't deter high-end sports car buyers dramatically enough to stop carmakers from continuing thisit's all just marketing and big numbers, which consumers love to boast about so naturally every carmaker was going to jump onto that trend sooner or later after porsche and nissan
>>27924505and the current GT3 RS for comparison
>>27924275>4200+ pounds>slowest in class>fwd transverse mounted engine platform>can’t even swing the rear end >not twin turbo, it’s a single turbo stinger gt, g70, ct5v, is500 all better sedans for the price range
>>27924099nog wheels, nog grill>>27924193>blown rearshould have got the LCI edition nobodys getting out of the way for this
>>27924474GM has built corvettes without leaf springs for decades. the C5 C6 and C7R all ditched leaf springs. Callaway would traditionally remove leaf springs on any corvette they built and GM used to sell those as a dealer option. leaf springs aren't a core part of the vette's performance philosophy or identity. the vette's philosophy is having your cake and eating it too. GM has never sacrificed livability and comfort for track performance. they've always tried to give you both with varying degrees of success (sometimes fucking up one or the other or both) but its clear they want to give you both. all trims of their cars come with luxuries that boomers would want which add weight. they could've made a hardcore track oriented Viper ACR style corvette, and they flirted with the idea with the Z06X, which would've been a stripped out hardcore track car, but they ultimately decided it would go against the entire reason people buy corvettes and no one would want it. boomers never track their cars, so sacrificing comfort would turn them away. so GM never did that even if it would've gave them faster lap times. they left so much performance potential on the table with the C6 and C7 if the Viper ACR is anything to go by. C7 ZR1 was the first time the corvette tried to sport serious Aero, but it was entirely optional since they knew most of their customer base would rather not have it, and it was nowhere near the 911 or Viper's aero. Mid engine vettes were always supposed to be a thing, but the engineers got cock blocked for one reason or another. even the C8 was supposed to happen way sooner than it actually did if it weren't for the 2008 recession. GM did change part of the corvette's identity, but it wasn't due to chasing lap times, it was wanting to be considered a serious alternative to Ferrari and Porsche. this is why the C7 and C8 feel more european in design with fancier materials and eliminating parts-bin sharing of interior bits.
>>27924316>>naturally aspiratedwhole things plastic though, cant even see it if you wanted to. Overall junk, not even gonna get into the fake vents.
>>27924505>yes that is exactly what i said, anonyou said the 997, i'm talking about the 991.>you don't think pic related looks tame compared to recent cars?see above, you're still talking about the 997. the entire 991 generation and its subsequent GT2 RS was their direct response to the GTR. they even named it "King Kong" to the GTR's "Godzilla".>but the late 2000s is when the horsepower wars and lap time wars really started to heat upIt was more or less business as usual. the 2000s horsepower ratings were quite tame relative to how crazy everyone thought the 930 was and the C4 ZR1 was. people were a lot more desperate for performance in those times. by the 2000s, horsepower didn't really sell cars. what happened in the 2000s is that people realized you can market an entire vehicle just based on lap times from journalist and the nurburgring. no one did this better than nissan, and their press release cars and nurburgring testing was the entire car's advertisement. so this did make people want to start testing on the ring for the publicity.However, Porsche definitely got their pride hurt. they didn't care about the Corvette or any of their other rivals. they were laser focused on the GTR. Porsche had been up their own asses for a long time, and even if the Corvette had been faster here and there, they never cared because to them the vette was unsophisticated. the GTR made Porsche's own cars look less sophisticated for a cheaper price, and that's when Porsche started directly accusing nissan of outright cheating.
>>27924521you can always bait the asshurt gookshill with the TLX.
>>27924565Hondafag can’t cope with the fact that their sports sedan is the biggest flop on the market, might as well get an accord.
>>27924574>biggest flop on the marketNo that's the gook stuff. the TLX outsells them.
The Florida Highway Patrol edition of the '03 Mercury Marauder smokes all the krautshit and japcrap shitboxes in this thread.
>>27924586>counting base model sales figuresI’ve seen like 3 tlx type s since the cars been released, no one buys them.
>>27924386Putting a wheel on a hub and rotating like 20 deg max so the holes line up is easier than fucking around with an 8 foot torque wrench that has to work properly in both directions where failure means your wheel flies off at speedSans a pit crew I'll take the bolts
>>27924555>you said the 997, i'm talking about the 991.whoops, misread! but no, that's incorrect; the 997 GT RS is what porsche responded with to the R35>From the October 2010 edition of Automobile Magazine, page 73 from the review of the Porsche 911GT2 RS "According to Porsche Motorsports manager Andreas Preuninger, the RS was conceived nearly four year ago as a skunk-works effort. The 727 code number selected for the project corresponds to the Nissan GT-R's lap time around the Nurburgring's Nordscheleife. When the dust settled, Porsche test driver Timo Kluck had eclipsed that target by an impressive nine seconds."the 997 GT2 began deliveries in november 2007 and the R35 began deliveries in december, so when it was revealed that nissan's ring tests showed their car to be a few seconds quicker, porsche developed the GT2 RS in response>the entire 991 generation and its subsequent GT2 RS was their direct response to the GTRwhere the heck are you getting this information from? no carmaker anywhere spends billions of dollar to develop a new generation of cars with an extensive lineup in response to a lap time as simply modifying a current car to beat that lap time makes more sense in every single waythe 991 generation was just the natural successor to the 997 generation, as the 997 was to the 996 and so on
>>27924603>997 GT RS997 GT2* RS
>>27924596that's a lot, considering I've never seen gook stuff outside their FWD at all, and unlike Acura, the gooks have to promise million mile warranties and heavy discounts. people will pay 60+K for a hand built TLX by the craftsmen at Acura.
>>27924603>the 997 GT2 began deliveries in november 2007 and the R35 began deliveries in decemberYou're ignoring the fact that the Nismo was faster, and Porsche still wanted to beat that. you're acting as if the 997, which was a stop-gap until they could develop a new platform was the only thing they did. it wasn't.>>27924603>where the heck are you getting this information from?the fact that they named the GT2 RS "King Kong", and they wanted the 991 to beat the Nismo from the start. unlike the 997, which came out before the R35, catching Porsche off guard.>no carmaker anywhere spends billions of dollar to develop a new generation of cars with an extensive lineup in response to a lap timeYea they do. they'll spend more than that just to wing a single race. especially Porsche. the 911 by and large is a performance platform. the GT2 RS is where a lot of their development went. and they named it "King Kong".>modifying a current car to beat that lap time makes more sense in every single wayNo it doesn't. if your car is dated, and clearly isn't going to cut it, you go back to the drawing board, and you come out with something built from the ground up to give you the performance you're looking for. that is what they did with the 991.>the 991 generation was just the natural successor to the 997 generationThis is cope. Porsche were definitely obsessed with the GTR, and the 991 spent more time being developed on the ring than any generation 911 prior in anticipation of beating that lap time. before that, the 997 was just an updated 996. the 991 was entirely new.
>>27924597I'm not even factoring center locks into this, my main focus is lug studs vs lug bolts, which lug bolts are a huge pain in the ass compared to studs. Yes I have the pilot pin set.
>>27924636Yeah I figured but even so I'm always afraid of marring the rims with studsProbably the german in me
>>27924622>You're ignoring the fact that the Nismo was fasterhuh? that's not what we were originally talking about - we were talking about the ordinary base R35the nismo version didn't come out until 2014, 3 years after the porsche 991 began deliveriesit's hard to find info on why porsche nicknamed (or if they ever did at all) the 991 GT2 RS 'king kong' but yeah, it's definitely a reference to their desire to beat the R35 nismo, which was originally loaded with non-standard equipment at the time, sort of like what manthey packages used to be before they became porsche dealer optioned kits>Yea they do. they'll spend more than that just to wing a single race. especially Porsche. the 911 by and large is a performance platform. the GT2 RS is where a lot of their development went. and they named it "King Kong".road cars and motorsport are totally different topics with totally different missions for carmakers but since we're talking about road cars in particular, to my knowledge no carmaker at any point in time has developed an entirely new lineup of cars specifically to beat a lap time, which is what you're saying as far as i can tellthey can develop individual cars WITHIN that lineup which is exactly what porsche did, but developing ENTIRE lineups would just cause the company to go bankrupt within a handful of years and that's why none of them do it>No it doesn't. if your car is dated, and clearly isn't going to cut it, you go back to the drawing board, and you come out with something built from the ground up to give you the performance you're looking for. that is what they did with the 991.friend, automotive engineering and design is something of a hardcore hobby of mine so trust me when i tell you that you can go veeeery far with so-called "outdated" technologyhitting the post limit so i'll continue in the next one
You're all nigger maggots that should kill themselves immediately
>>27924271Are you comparing STI vs GR Corolla new to new? A base GRC is $37k USD.
>>27924672I hope your mother gets raped to death
>>27924622continuing from >>27924661i'll give you one road car example and one race car example of "outdated" technology matching modern technologyroad car - the pre-993 porsche 911 turbos with air-cooled rear engines, torsion bars, mcpherson struts, etc. were all considered subpar technologies for performance sports cars but because they were pushed to their technological limits they were able to closely match or surpass most of their contemporaries in acceleration, cornering, braking, etc.race car - michael's lap at the red bull ring in 2003 is within 1.2 seconds of the fastest lap in 2022 - and that's on grooved slicksbut you have to remember anon, the 997 generation was 9 years old by the time the NISMO R35 came out and that's approximately the standard age for a model's generation these daysclearly what porsche did was when they were developing the 991 generation, they focused more on outright lap times and that was baked into the design of the GT cars, which is reflected in their fantastic performance>and the 991 spent more time being developed on the ring than any generation 911 prior in anticipation of beating that lap time. before that, the 997 was just an updated 996. the 991 was entirely new.that had more to do with market economics and company management of running a sports car company as by the time the 996 was out, porsche had bankruptcy just brush past its cheek and was still a fairly small company so they didn't have the resources to create everything brand new to the highest spec like they do new as they make >$20k/profit per car and IIRC >$100k/profit per 911 turbo
>>27924700>like they do newlike they do now*
>>27924683OK bus rider
>>27924661>we were talking about the ordinary base R35I'm talking about the R35 in general. and what it meant to Porsche.>the nismo version didn't come out until 2014, the lap time was done in 2013, but yes. the 991 was launched, but they were far from done testing and developing it.>road cars and motorsport are totally different topics with totally different missions for carmakersNot really. a road(performance) car is primarily developed to perform. the 911 also incorporates many things from its racing counterpart. they go hand and hand with road car development. both a race car and a road car are meant to primarily perform first and foremost. most of the 911's R&D by far is for performance. its also the costliest thing to develop and requires more extensive and acute testing. >to my knowledge no carmaker at any point in time has developed an entirely new lineup of cars specifically to beat a lap trimethe 911 isn't a lineup of cars... its just one model with different trims.and the model was built around the nurburgring unlike previous generations which merely tested there occasionally. people have developed entire cars just for singler tracks and lap times. Pikes Peaks and the many vehicles designed and developed for that one course. this isn't at all unheard of now because as i already said, its a huge marketing gimmick. instead of modifying the car to be adapted to a certain track knowing you're going to want to get the fastest lap time possible, just develop the entire car there from the start so you can squeeze out as much performance as possible, and scale the car up with whatever modifications you want to add, rather than have a stop-gap like the 997 GT2 which Porsche knew was only a temporary solution. they knew their next car would need to be developed on the ring after the GTR. Porsche has done more testing on the ring than any manufacturer at this point, and that's saying something considering so much testing happens there now.
>>27924533It is an LCI and there was someone in the back and the trunk full of luggage
>>27924090>perfect>no rally homologation, can only start in open classLMAO
>>27924661>go veeeery far with so-called "outdated" technologyYou can stretch technology, and it often always is. but that's not what i'm talking about. if your platform from which that technology is being used is outdated, you will be inherently handicapped even if the technology itself isn't the problem. >993Its hard to even compare the 993 and especially its very rare Turbo variants to anything, considering the car wasn't compared in lap times very much, and you'd have to go off vague descriptions from journalist. but i'm actually glad you brought it up, because the Viper GTS-R would show how outdated the car actually was in motorsports, and the FD Rx7 would show how outdated it was on the road. these were both new platforms made entirely for the 90s unlike the 993 which was a carry over of the 964. again, the "technology" isn't the problem, the car its put in is just inherently handicapped by its design being inferior to those coming after it.>the 997 generation was 9 years old by the time the NISMO R35That actually ties into my point. the entire 997 platform was older than the R35, and given that it was once again an updated 996, it was a bit ancient. Porsche didn't develop the car entirely on the ring like they did the 991, they were caught off guard, and the GTR gave them a knee-jerk reaction.>that had more to do with market economics and company management of running a sports car companyIt was entirely because they had no reason to. even after VAG had saved them from bankruptcy, going into the 2000s when they started making new platforms again, they weren't fixated on the ring. why would they be? in their minds, they were still the best and no one could out-engineer them... until the R35 came out and they felt like they met their match.
>>27924090its perfect for its price point
>>27924792Nice
>>27924090shit is BEYOND GOAT'd
>>27924609>>27924275I hope the hondajew pays you well, nigger
The Jag X350 Daimler
>>27924105Not being in my garage.
>>27924539Where would you buy T-top seals ?
>>27924253>looks underneath>based on an old mercedesyou didn't engineer shit
>>27925625called it>>27924263
>>27925628americans as always trying to take credit for a german design
>>27925636this, americans taking credit for Chrysler's bankruptcy when that was a very clever design that featured a transfer of monetary value from one company to the next by the germans.
>>27924275Having a <0.1 power to weight ratio automatically disqualifies you, retardAlso, >automatic
>>27924275>Dressed up accord that weighs as much as a hellcatYa na
>>27925740>>27925777its still faster than these>>27924792>>27925674 kek.
>>27924275Gets absolutely smoked by an M340i and it only costs like $5k less.Also>FWDKill yourself
>>27925787in a straight line, maybe.>FWDbrainlet, detected.
>>27925793>trannyverse AWDso, FWD
>>27925795>AWDso not FWD.brainlet
>>27925793You think a 4200lbs bloated FWD-based Accord has any chance to out handle a 3800 lbs RWD M-lite car?
>>27925796not real awd
>transNot real awd and not real women.
>>27925796sorry you had to find out this way, anon, but the engine faces the wrong way. not real AWD.
>>27925785>implying those are good carsImagine lumping your new car with decades old ones. lol, lmao even
>>27925797feel free to show me this m340i that supposedly handles better for only 5k more.>>27925798>Mechanical torque vectoring unlike the inferior shit you'll find in the competition is not AWDlmao
>>27925801yea, sorry i had to find out your brain is smooth.
>>27924275not real awd
>>27925803>decades old onesyou can put modern tires on it and its still slower than the TLX type S. KEK! nice subtle cope, though. at least you aren't defending them, since it would be highly ironic since unlike the TLX, the NSX and GR86 under perform for their price and you can find better handling cars for less.
>>27925804go ahead and show us how much of that engine is in front of the front axle
>>27925796Hondas are inherently FWD
>>27925813the TLX Type S doesn't understeer, though. its not a poorly engineered VAG product like quattro. it is entirely neutral cornering.
>>27925814honda has only made two good rwd cars the s2000 and the old nsx everything else is a rusted out fwd shitbox
>>27925804This retard thinks a pigfat FWD Accord legitimately handles better than another pigfat but 350lbs lighter RWD true sports sedan.This is your brain on Honda.
>>27925823>won't post this imaginary better handling M340i that only cost 5k more
>>27925820>S2000 and old nsxneither of these were good.
>>27925839both are still better than that fwd shitbox the other anon is talking about because they are rwd
>>27925809The only cope I’m seeing is from you trying to make the case that the pigfat TLX is faster than the two older cars which no one is arguing. That doesn’t change the fact that it is a failure of a modern car from a performance and setup standpoint.>mfw /o/ is collectively demolishing the dumb US-built bloatmobileYou /o/utists are alright sometimes
>>27925825Go test drive a RWD M340i and a TLX Type S
>>27925843No they aren't cause they're slower even on modern tires.
>>27925819
>>27925849but they aren't fwd so they are better
>>27925844>two older carsi love this preemptive cope. the GR86 isn't old, and the old NSX still gets shit on with modern tires and a supercharger.>mfw /o/ is collectively demolishing you are demolishing the two cars you're coping for with the same retarded arguments. kek.>US-builtoh, that explains why you're asshurt about it. it has nothing to do with it being transverse or automatic or anything else. >>27925846find me one that's only 5k more and i will.
>>27925853but they're slower, so they aren't better.
>>27925863rwd > fwd everytime
>>27925864except when its the s2000 and old NSX since they are slower.
>>27925867still not an excuse to drive a fwd minivan
>>27925874if it handles better than your """super car""" and your """sports car""" that is the perfect excuse.
>>27925859I can tell you that no one you’ve responded to is dickriding those two cars like you’ve been dickriding the TLX. I find the fact that you pointed those out specifically to be entertaining though, because I wouldn’t personally want to spend money on either of those.
>>27925877those are both old soon to be classic sports cars but yours is just a future fwd shitboxmight as well drive a tesla since its faster in a straight line than your honda
>>27925859neat, it's actually only $2600 more new for new lmao
>>27925883the left one looks so fucking gay
>>27925881>one you’ve responded to is dickriding those two carsyea, the guy a few post above you and everyone who immediately defends them in every thread despite them under performing for their price.>because I wouldn’t personally want to spend money on either of those.good, at least i can take you a bit more seriously. unlike the other retard who actually think the s2000 and original NSX were good.
>>27925887what exactly is so bad about them then?the 7300rpm v6 or the 8900rpm i4? them being rwd? what excatly? is bluetooth and apple car play missing?
>>27925882>barely breaking MSRP adjusted for inflationkek. shit at accumulating value and being sports cars.
>>27925903still fwd
>>27925898>what exactly is so bad about them?under performing?what exactly is bad about the TLX Type S? giving you more features than the competition for the price? giving you real mechanical torque vectoring with no understeer? not being beaten by anything actually cheaper?
>>27925904still faster.
>>27925907>what exactly is bad about the TLX Type S?it being fwd and weighing a loti don't mind a fwd golf 1 or 2 because they are small and light and you can drive them in tripod mode arround cornersi even love old miniss2000 was faster than both the boxter and the z4 from it's timensx was beating ferraris on the track for less money
>>27924593Panther body Marauders will never not be badass.
>>27925921>it being fwd and weighing a lotbut its AWD and doesn't under perform?>s2000 was faster than some base model german carsso is the TLX Type S, but unlike the S2000, you can't actually get better performing sports sedans with more luxury features for less money.>nsx was beating ferraris on the track for less moneyso were cheaper corvettes, in addition to beating the NSX itself for less money. again, not the same case for the TLX Type S. its giving you more for your money.
>>27925944The ct5v, stinger gt and g70 are all better for less.https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2021-acura-tlx-type-s-vs-cadillac-ct5-v-2022-genesis-g70-comparison-test-review/?utm_campaign=later-linkinbio-motortrend&utm_content=later-21073728&utm_medium=social&utm_source=linkin.bio
>>27925968>no track times>the CT5 is more expensivelol
>>27926003https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a35367636/2020-cadillac-ct5-v-lightning-lap/https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a38965891/2021-acura-tlx-type-s-sh-awd-lightning-lap/Alpha chassis > pigfat jap crap sideways engine fwd turdbox.Bonus pic kek…getting BTFO by gooks in a race
>>27926044>retard doesn't seem to notice the "as tested price" meaning if you want the car configured in the way that gave it the performance you're looking at, you pay 63k to the TLX Type S' 55k.figures its the same dumb gook shill from before.
>>279261002024 Ct5v awd starting msrp $51k.5 is still cheaper than the 2024 tlx type s msrp of $57k…slow ass hondafag. Keep coping with the fact that it’s the slowest car in the class.
>>27926120not faster with its starting MSRP, though, gook cuck. still can't find me a better handling sports sedan for less.
>>27926126All ct5vs come with the same magnaride handling suspension dumbass, the packages just add more technology and features.
>>27926126https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a35367420/2020-cadillac-ct4-v-lightning-lap/#
You don't want to admit it; but, it is perfect.
>>27926155You still are posting your trophy wife mobile?
>>27926140Shame they went with the turbo v6 setup. If your picrel was a 6.2 without the supercharger I'd be extremely tempted. That'd probably have been cheaper to develop and build too. Not sure wtf gm was thinking... Maybe that it would cannibalize blackwing and/or corvette sales?
>>27926201For sure, pretty much a Camaro sedan concept with optional all wheel drive. It would sell like hotcakes.
>>27926155embarassing post
>>27926155the only people i see driving these are chinese and indiansno exaggeration i NEVER see a white person in one of these
