>300 hp+>/o/ will complain anyway cus muh power
I wonder if subaru will release a turbo version of the brz to compete
>>28040095Cool now we get to see 86s burn down randomly with a over stressed low displacement 3 cyl.
Why can’t they just put a fucking NA I4 in this bastard coupe?
>>28040095when are these car companies going to do away with engines and make cars pedal powered and install a turbo pump injection tube that feeds a meth, caffeine, steroid and onions liquid into the driver's mouth
>>28040095Not going to happen. Toyota sucks.>>28040133this
>>28040133This, with today's tech it wouldn't be very expensive to make a relatively smooth 220hp/240Nm 2.2 without a balance shaft.
>>28040133you can anytime you wantthe 2nd gen has no meaningful upgrades so a 4k dead engine first gen shell can have a 250whp k24 in it for less than the cost of a 2nd gen
>>28040095ugly. slow. gay.
>>28040133Because Honda doesn't make the NA I4 worth throwing into it anymore.
>>28040152yea it's over
>>28040095"Next Gen"???Let's see... First Gen ran from 2012 to 2021, so the third gen should be out around 2030. Can't wait!
>>28040133>>28040140>>28040146>>28040152Holy shit poor people suck ass.
>>28040178
>>28040095This would be incredibly based and they would sell out year after year if pricing is unaffected
>>28040133because then they'll have to put a pedestrian hood popper because the engine will be too close to the hood for eurostan nanny lawmakers
>>28040193I wish car companies would man up on this shit.sell the car with the obviously cucked hood then sell an aftermarket kit that fixes it via TRD.
>>28040133Emissions. I wish Toyota just stuck in the regular 2.4 from the Camry for the first gen
>>28040205and then get raped by tüv
You can't easily longitudinally mount an inline 4 into a small coupe
>>28040095>”spiritual successor” to the grocery getter 1986 corolla with a legendary NA I4>put a boxer engine in it>put a I3 turbo engine in itLmao joke car for fake car people
>>28040360I don't think about you at all
>>28040130>when you go over 80 mph in a toyota :)
>>28040149still slow, still ugly, and still shit
>>28040095They should've just put the WRX engine in it, it's a Subaru after all>b-but the manifold wouldn't fit!Right, because it'd be impossible for an OEM to redesign the manifold
>>28040360The only way it's a "spiritual successor" to the AE86 is the nostalgiabait name. If anything, it's closer to being a new Celica.
>>28040095>>28040149>>28040360>JUST PUT AN 4CYLINDER IN IT AHHHHH!
>>28040504>closer to a FWD glorified Corolla than a RWD glorified Corolla "no"
>>28040619Celica wasn't always FWD
>>28040387I dab on FRSlow fags every single time I see them, doesn’t matter which car I’m in because they’re so slow and the drivers are such pussies >>28040609Just don’t make it at all, it’s a piece of shit, from a manufacturer standpoint it’s a cash cow from clueless wannabe car people though
>>28040628Post car
>>28040625Tell Sarah N her car is FWD.
>>28040095Why didn't they just put in a turbo diesel V8 with a 6 speed manual behind it?
>>28040625And how, exactly, do the 3 generations of RWD Celica differ in overall concept from the AE86 to make it closer to a toyobaru? It's still a solid rear axle with an inline 4 and McDonald's struts up front, same as the AE86. They're not appreciably different in size either, and both were available as a liftback or a notchback coupe.
>not doing the LS3 V8 with tremec swapngmi
>>28040095and i thought this car couldn't become more of a jokethe g16e is a fireball that toyota refuses to warranty
>>28040095>slightly less pretty than karmann ghiaUGLY>0-60 greater than 0.0012 secondsSLOW>less square than a '79 impalaGAY
>>28040095>just put a big block v8 in it…
>>28040666Celica was a separate model, AE86 was the sporty version of Corolla, like XRS, T-Sport or GR
just make it do 150HP factory so it passes emissions and 300HP after flipping some shit in ECU or strip corolla of unnecessary shit and make it light and well balanced
>every car needs to be 10000000000000hp drag racermental illness.
>>28040803They had dogshit slow versions of the Celica too.
>>28040823True but it's inexcusable for a sports car to be slower than a run of the mill pickup truck in a straight line. A sports car should also be capable of posting a faster laptime than a Jeep but that's another thread.
>>28040823>pichumiliation ritual
>>28040343man, when you learn about the miata your brain is gonna explode
>>28040857those cars cost much more than the gt86
>>28040095It matters notthe MR2 is coming in 1.5 years
>less horsepower than V6 challenger
>>28040803Ae86 was the fucking chassis code
>>28040130>overstressed Lmao. Ignoring this one American who purposefully fucked his engine becuase he bought a salvage title piece of shit and wanted to cash in...The GR Yaris engine has been making upwards of 400whp in several demo cars since its release. None of them have had any issues being beaten on in track days and test drives, even drift and rally events.When HKS built their demo car their goal was to test the limits of durability for the engine. And they've had zero problems since launch.
>>28041177Yeah and the car was actually named Corolla
>>28041180>None of them have had any issues being beaten on in track dayslol
>>28041180Ah yes the 1.6 liter 20-25 psi of boost in an open deck aluminum 3 cylinder is def a recipe for a reliable performance engine
>>28040095so instead of blowing up it's going to catch firenice
>>28041158>V6 Challenger with weeb shit on itGood, its just as fast as a GR86
>>28040248Why emissions? How would that not pass?
>>28040945no its not...but I hope it does
>>28040248They should've used the 2.0t from Lexus. Hell, instead of using Subaru chassis, it should've been a shortened IS200t with Corolla interior and manual.
>>28041249It's proven itself to he more reliable than the C6 Z06 or C7 ZR1.
>Be Toyota>Have car with shitty subaru boxer>decide it needs an update>ahh I know, we have this turbo I3 we made lets use it>completely ignore that if an I3 fits, so will a V6>somehow forget you make quite possibly the best V6 in production and makes as much power NA as overstressed I3pic related
>>28041302best car magazine said sotheir accuracy is 99%
>>28041270>slower in a straight line>handles and stops worse tooLol, lmao even.
>>28041421
>>28041423>bonus insult to injuryThe V6 Challenger is slower than a Ford Maverick.
No car ever made should ever have less than the most HP ever. Every car needs a max HP V8, its the only way everyone should be allowed to enjoy cars.
>>28041421>>28041423>>28041425lmao its journalist cope boy with his favorite shill ragc&d lied about the 86 0-60 they lied about the chally tooguess dodge doesn't pay enough
>>28041421now look up what every other magazine got for the GR86 0-60
>>28041469>>28041473To get the C&D time in the nu-86 you have to hit the limiter in 2nd gear. It'll catch the sub 6 second 0-60 but be slower overall because you're banging the redline like a dumbass, just a matter of gearing.The GR86 is faster in a straight line and handles better than the V6 Chally, I know this because I've driven both.
>>28041469>>28041473
>>28041383so where are the 200k mile examples?
>>28041508Cope more retard.
People buy the GR86?
>>28041249dude its a TOYOTA
>>28041576Its a car for boomers that want to keep driving S2000's and other 90s POS cars. later millenials and zoomer high schoolers have been driving 400hp cars since the age of 16 and can't stand slow boomer pikachu cars.
>>28041509Idk, wait 16 years and there probably will be. You idiot.
>>28041612so then it hasn't proven itself to be anything but a grenade, nigger.
>>28041392Fucking THIS. The 2GR belongs in it
>>28040106Its the same car anon.
>>28040857A sports car is not JUST made to be quick in a straight line, those are called muscle cars. A sports car can make up for a slower acceleration if it is exceptional in cornering and control.
>>28041608Millenials and zoomers either don't drive, or drive kekovers passes down from their parents
>>28041627Nta but to get 200k on a car that new requires someone to basically live in their car; and sports cars aren't the cars people are buying to be fucking, I don't know, couriers or whatever. I actually cannot fathom how you get that many miles on a car that soon; I have a 2014 Jetta that has 260k and I have no clue how the POs managed that.
>>28041647A sports car is a car that appears in a james bond movie
>>28041658I agree
>>28041576>>28041608I own a GR86 as a 24-year-old and it's really fun, it can take tighter turns 20 MPH faster than a Mustang Coyte or a hellcat can take and beat them out constantly on roads around these parts, haven't even gotten as much as an air-intake on it! Though did get some tires that make it have 1.12 lateral G's. Gr86 is quite a capable grip car. A turbo/supercharger and now you're going toe to toe with Porche GT3's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8240QQKi7nY
>>28041627Stay booty blasted because you made a retarded argument.No journalist was trapped in a parking lot becuase their GR Corolla/Yaris went into full on limp mode after some light highway driving. Meanwhile can't say the same for the C7 vette lmao.
>>280401302 GR corollas over the entire lifespan with one being a salvage title burn up>retarded anti-yota fags try and say all of them are burning upthe current gr86 with the boxer engine has had more problems of exploding than the entire i3 turbo's lifetime in both gr yaris and gr Corolla
>>28041672It's mostly people who track heavily and did not either add an oil baffle, extra 0.5 L or the other oil starvation issues which are known in hard right-hand turns. Street use, it's generally not an issue.
>>28040133>NAMore like breathlet
>>28041661>A turbo/supercharger and now you're going toe to toe with Porche GT3'sFor about 2 miles until the engine explodes
>>28041686Low PSI and keeping it under 350 HP has been proven through-out the platform to be pretty stable. Just don't be a retard and take care of your car. If you're eating nothing but fried chicken, skittles, potato chips, and drinking nothing but monster and Mountain Dew, don't be surprised you die at 45.
>>28041665instead it burnt to a crisp. surely that's way better.
wtf no brz fags are not allowed to have the g16e-gts, i paid 40k for a corolla and now bagged camber retards get a god engine, fuck no
>>28041221it was the chassis code for that generation, not the trim.
Not my problem
>>28040823>nooooo if you want a 4 cylinder instead of a 3 cylinder that needs 5 turbos to reach highway speed that means you want it to be a drag car and you're mentally ill!
>>28040095i only have 350rwhp in my 1.5tonne barge atm thats tonnes for a barra
>>28040095It'll finally be faster than a minivan.
there is no reason for 3cyl to exist
>>280419813cyl 1.6 has more torque than a 4cyl 1.6
>>28040095>gets rid of the subaru engineok fuck yeah based>turbo 3 cylwhatis this some kind of joke?
>>28041509my buddy set an scca class record last weekend with a 150k mile stock engine brz on a052s
>>28040832Celica is just the dogshit slow fwd version of the Supra for women and retards
>To get the C&D time in the nu-86 you have to hit the limiter in 2nd gear. It'll catch the sub 6 second 0-60 but be slower overall because you're banging the redline like a dumbass, just a matter of gearing.so it's not possible and c&d lied, possibly driving the car in a deleterious way to make it seem fasterthe 86's first gear ends at 59 mph. the c&d time is not possible by a normal driver.meanwhile my zf8 shifts in 100 ms all day every day and slaps the shit out of any model 86.>>28041500>The GR86 is faster in a straight line and handles better than the V6 Chally, I know this because I've driven both.i have also driven both and they're basically the same, both basically larger miatas.the challenger has better handling but less apparent lateral grip because of its high mass which makes it weirdly better at doing the stupid shit the GR86 is marketed towards. the 86 is light and corners well but it doesn't slide as easily nor is it as smooth or easily-controlled, it also has less power and just can't accelerate out of corners as easily.chally has a retard filter however in that you must install your own lsd while 86 is a newfag-friendly package for redditors and women who can't bench press a 90 lb hellcat diffstill though imagine buying the TOP OF THE LINE 86 and you're basically no faster than a base model v6 muscle car with an automatic lmao
>>28040609>>28040360>>28040149How about they put an inline-5 in it instead
>>28042263A heavy long inline 5?What inline 5? Toyota doesn't make any.Why an inline 5?I swear this board is full of idiots who like some shitty meme engine configuration for no apparent reason other than its le different.
>>28041392my neGRo!
>>28042282Inline 5s sound good
>>28042282Audis have inline-5s and they're pretty fast and sound good. It's not a meme engine, it makes 400hp stock and more with just a chip tune, I've heard.
>>28042154we;re talking about the 3 cylinder yaris engine, retard.
>>28042295audis are so boring to drive its insane. soulless
>>28040095>toyota somehow found an engine with a shorter life than the boxerFor fuck's sake, all they need to do is put some decent cams on the Camry's i4 and drop it right in
>>28042154what class lets you>be competitive with a stock brz>add enough camber that you can run a052s without annihilating themwould that be STX or something? i don't remember classes very well
>>28042263they should put a pushrod v8 in it
not happening. the contract for subaru/toyota joint project was that the car had to be boxer powered so subaru can say they're moving boxer powered units to the bean counters.
>>28040360I'm surprised they did not put an R 1200 Rs in it
>>28040095It's also going to weigh more than 4000lbs and be a 4 door.
>tfw toyota put a more poorformance oriented engine in the base highlander>tfw the highlander is a turbo 2.4 i4 and you can hear the turbo whistle in a mom-mobileKEK gr86 sads on permanent suicide watch.
>>28040133I'd settle for pretty much any decent turbo 4 myself, whether it's the WRX motor or an I4 equivalent to Ford's 2.0 or 2.3 Ecoboosts. I just can't bring myself to accept a 3cyl. Admittedly I'm not the target market anyway though, I buy new or just off lease cars but only for daily utility vehicles, I'd rather get something old for a fun car.
>>28040095how about high revving inline 4?
>>28040628>i dab on frs' all the timeSo do karens in bhph base 15 year old altimas my boy>This guy anon thought he was flexing
>lets replace the grenade shitster engine with >drum roll please>A 3 CYLINDER
>>28042173First gear on the 86 tops out at 36 mph, Second tops out at 60 mph.>possibly driving the car in a deleterious way to make it seem fasterThe focus on 0-60 times as the only metric of gauging acceleration does warrant this, if the question was 0-100 we wouldn't be having this problem.My takeaways with regard to the handling of the two cars are the exact opposite of yours somehow, even though we both agree the Chally is in fact heavier. The lighter 86 and shorter wheelbase feels very planted and far more controllable in a slide in my experience but the tires have a lot to do with that. If you're driving the premium with the Pilot Sports on 18s the car will be far less willing to break lose while the base model Primacys on 17s are far more fun.The next time I go around a V6 Chally on the outside of a corner I'll record it, though at the end of the day its really a matter of taste and ability.>my zf8 shifts in 100 ms all dayI fully believe you, but I told myself I would never go back to BMW after owning two
Idk why anons are crying over it being a 3cylA 3cyl 1.6l has more torque and is more reliable than a 4cyl 1.6lThe GR Yaris engine has proven itself as reliable and able to make considerably more power without major modifications
Isn't the BRZ chassis set up for a low COG from a boxer engine? Also, there is zero reason to get a Supra or any other performance car if you are going to track it, since a harrop supercharger is an easy bolt on, 9k at your doorstep, and lets you have a 39k car that outperforms everything else.Sadly, we are not seeing the same thing as when Ford dealers were slapping on warrantied superchargers out the door, they definitely should.
>>28043559cylinder count isn't a factor in reliability
>>28040945Knowing goyota they'll probably make Subaru create a diesel fa24 and throw it in
>>28043637You don't understand anything about engines then...
>>28043743you understand authority and comprehend knowledgethat aside I would trust a international bd154 over a Chinese three cylinder despite the previous statement that a 3 cylinder the same displacement is more reliable.
>>28040095Finally no dogshit boxer to blow head gaskets and 30 foot long timing belts.Now I will consider your sports car.
>>28040823Isn't fd lighter, faster and better handling as well with an engine that can easily be tuned to 500+hp while the fa20 blows up at 350 hp
>>28044062Could be worse I have a 3.6 liter that blows up past 425.
Guys I think I’ve fallen in love with the 86. Why does it feel so kino to drive? Is it because it’s not a fat pig like all other cars nowadays?
hopefully piston rings are properly gapped this time around... wouldn't want someone to blow the engine after going over 85mph
>>28043107>LS-swapped from the factoryYou're onto something, they gotta call GM.
>willingly turning the car into a fat piggrim
>>28040095tiny displacement turbo engines suck because you can't get much more power out of them. Literally stuck with what you got.
>>28040945>new affordable ICE sports car>in twenty twenty fucking fiveyeah i'll believe it when i see it
They could put an F1 V12 in it and I'll still tell you I'm disappointed.Why?Because retarded weebs are the ONLY reason this car exists.It's supposed to be a lightweight rwd barebones corolla with an lsd and a "sporty" engine and the only thing they got right was the rwd and lsd.
>>28045031I get your point but to play devil's advocate, there's no other car with those attributes you mention out there. They all died over at least over a decade ago.
>>28040095>I3Into the trash it goes.
>>28044062Same weight, worse handling (its a 30 year old design, get real)Talking about engines blowing up right now with a rotary in the conversation, come on man. Boost in seals out.
Its a great car.
>>28045287Have the laws of physics changed in the last 30 years? I'm pretty sure they haven´t. Suspension on the gr86 isn't also particularly more sophisticated than the FD, either.If you mean in terms of maximum grip, then sure tires a lot more grip now than they used to have, but why would the FD run on 30 year old tires?
>>28045310The new ones suck ass to drive. Completely neutered, the rev hang is atrocious and the extra power they make is a moot point because it's still gay and slow.
>>28045310300z bros know
>>28045031It isn't lightweight? The only way it could possible be lighter if it was a kei car.
>>28045031What a load of retarded babble
might as well get an rx8mazda made a naturally aspirated coupe (more reliable than the 3cyl and boxer) that is almost 20 years old now, more affordable, cooler and faster round the autismring
>>28045452>more reliable>rx8
