There is genuinely no reason to own any engine beyond the LS family. None. Any other engine is cope, either due to environmental cuck laws, euro/asian displacement humiliation taxes, or just plain poordom from third worlders. That or exotic garbage no one not born into aristocracy will ever own. God granted us the SBC for a reason.
>>28064257For me, its the LT1Or an original 350
>>28064257The LQ4 in my truck is pretty based even though it's a "fake LS". In a heavy truck it pretty much just turns a lot of fuel into glorious noise with not a lot of power. I can only imagine how one of them would feel in a 2500lb car with the shitty factory truck cam let alone with a low pressure turbo.
>>28064287same
>>28064291just change cam port heads
still waiting for an LS to win literally any race at the top level of international competition
>>28064391Didn't the C6.R win at Le Mans multiple times?
>>28064405did it win the race or did it win its class?
>>28064412https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Corvette_C6.R
>>28064412>semanticscope with being wrong
>>28064287>>28064361For me it's the LT2 intake manifold on the LT1 to get rid of that ugly ass engine cover.
>>28064422what part was i being semantic about? the part where i said it didn't win the race or the part where you provided evidence that it didn't win the race?you could have just posted what this anon did>>28064415
>>28064440for me it's the LT2 intake manifold except I didn't get the LT2 engine cover.Nice whistle intake btw, mate thought I had a turbo because of it.
>>28064257The LS gets outclassed in every area it competes. It gets blown out on the low weight end by the k series, and dp'd on the high end by the vr38dett and viper v10. Its literally only good cause its cheap. The coyote has double the performance the LS does in every area without needing gay workarounds for stuff like vvt. It also holds more boost than the LS and doesn't need to have its cam changed to go above 350hp. The sbc of old had real grounds to brag, since it was an engineering marvel of the 50s and brought something new to the table. What the LS brought was plastic and aluminum, and a way to turn a bulletproof design into a bomb all for 1-2mpg combined
>>28064257K, now give it 4 valves per cylinder so that it can breathe and rev properly
>>28064483>The coyote has double the performance the LS does in every area without needing gay workarounds for stuff like vvt.Coyote literally has VVT
>cylinderlet seethingNah miss me with that shit. Anything under 10 cylinders is a copemobile
>>28064483>It gets blown out on the low weight end by the k seriesPeak horsepower isn't everything anon, even with modern turbos you can't escape boost threshold and lag. Low end torque and the ability to just sit in a gear through a pack of corners is way more important than peak HP where you're constantly hunting gears to stay in the power.>dp'd on the high end by the vr38dett and viper v10These are nowhere near as widely available as an LS, they're effectively 1 off performance engines. You might as well name the MA2.75 or F140 as better engines. >The coyote has double the performance the LS does in every areaThe coyote is a shit in naturally aspirated applications anon, you're getting maybe 100 more horsepower with some bolt ons and a really aggressive tune. Anything past that requires tens of thousands of dollars in engine work. Meanwhile a LS3 can hit 500whp with bolt ons, 600+ with a cheap cam and some mild head work.
>be me>prefer 4.3>mfw>mfw no face
Just buy a b58
>>28064695>plastic water pump>timing chain in the back>fart soundsNo
>>28064713Kek, this
>>28064257Lexus 5.0 is smoother and works harder
>>28064483>The coyote has double the performance the LS does in every area without needing gay workarounds for stuff like vvt.You have 0 tools and have never touched a coyote in your life. Fucking brochure reading faggot
>>28064483Post toolbox.
>>28064257Based post
Theres more to life than red light digs and drag strips anon.You're immature or painfully naive to believe there's a "Best" ____ and it only reveals how fragile your life is.
The thing is though is that Chevrolets are fucking gay.
>>28064257I needed something bigger than an LS
>>28064287Should have used the photo of both of them
>>28065359Try not to take joke posts like mine too seriously Anon, you might burst a blood vessel.
>>28065546What if the jokes were the blood vessels we burst along the way?
>>28064533>Low end torque and the ability to just sit in a gear through a pack of corners is way more important than peak HP where you're constantly hunting gears to stay in the powerThe problem with that idea is when you decelerate going into a corner, you're inevitably going to be in the higher rev range, which is not where you're going to be making peak power in an LS. Also it doesn't matter what your torque value is if you have sufficient power, since you're not coming from a dig out of every corner. Not to mention, actual performance tuned LS's usually make peak power <3500rpm and only have a window of around 3000rpm, whereas on a coyote you can rev to 8000rpm and have all that power. >you're getting maybe 100 more horsepower with some bolt ons and a really aggressive tune. Anything past that requires tens of thousands of dollars in engine workThis isn't true at all. A stock 3rd gen coyote has been proven past 800hp without hickups for 25k+ miles. They come with rings already gapped for boost and forged internals. Every aluminum LS out there is capped at around 650-700, and every iron block needs a cam swap and full dod delete to make any power.
>>28064257>pushrodsliterally outdated, gimped, and cannot rev
>>28066045LS/LT make peak power high in the rev range, sure it's not 8000rpm but you can get them to 7k easy and make power all the way up. This isn't the era of gen1-3 sbc's where they can't rev. Torque does matter very much outside of a dig, more down low torque lets you pull yourself out of a disadvantageous rev range easier, pulling below 3k rpm in a coyote is almost i4 like where an LS/LT doesn't feel sluggish at all, albeit this is anecdotal and I'm sure someone will claim otherwise. >>the coyote is a shit in naturally aspirated applications >talks about boosting it The coyotes major advantage is that it can absolutely swallow boost with 0 issue. Gen3s can hit 1000whp stock everything with a big blower. Trying to make power out of it na is a fruitless effort as it's already effectively maxed out stock. A better intake and headers with corn can get you ~100 hp over stock.This isn't to say the coyote is a garbage engine, it's a great engine that is better than a modern SBC for many applications with its main downside being just the sheer physical size, higher center of gravity, and mediocre na performance.
>>28066077Outdated yet they can make 11,000hp or more. They can also hit 10,000rpm or more. It seems like your data is outdated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q02jMZyOECkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud9Z0QvJGy0
>>28064257>OHV pushrodWhat the fuck is this 1950s bullshit? They're not even iron blocks like the 50s unless it's s silverado engine and the fuel economy sucks.Pass.
>>28066117The Godzilla 7.3 has an iron block and gets almost 20mpg in a 3/4 ton truck with 35''+ tires. Why is this place so out of touch?
LS engines are great. When your DOD piston slapping oil gulping POS dies the junkyards are full of them. The 4.3 Poortec Dethcool gasket munching leaky spider injector is even worse. The Iron Puke has the NVH of a Harbor Freight Predator but will run longer than a shitty LS.
>>28064440>>28064471>chebbyfags quibbling about which piece of plastic looks betterLol, lmao even.
>>28067182>DODNot my problem
>>28067204slow
>>28067204I always forget Ford exists until they occasionally invade Chevrolet threads
>>28064257>VGAYA cope engine made for poors to pretend that they're any better than a 4 cylinder peasant, anything with less than 12 cylinders (10 if you're american) is simply peasant cope
>>28067307>less thanfewer*
>>28067307Show us your V12 then Anon, seeing how you feel the need to espouse your superiority to the audience here.
high revving japanese v6 > upmarket v8 truck motor
>>28067615worthless engine for bug people. come back to us when your government treats you any better than a peasant cuck and doesn't tax you to death for having displacements anywhere near those truck motors
>>28067619come back when you plebs break 7000 rpm without burning a valve
>>28067267Crazy what a little modular can do with a few simple mods when it's not a 4k lb modern bloatmobile. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeutgb3CiQI>>28067280>forget that the manufacturer that mobilized the world existsAre chebbyfags actually this retarded?>>28067307>implying I6 hadn't already outpaced I4s>hence why Ford wanted the 8It's not that 8cyl engines didn't exist, they were just too expensive to mass produce. Fords big breakthrough was in casting procedures on top of the assembly line.
>>28066105weird, I wonder why they never do in real cars
>>28064257Why do americans still make pushrod engines, are they retarded or something?
>>28064257>exotic garbage no one not born into aristocracy will ever ownkek poorfag cope
>>28068269pushrods make a decent amount of power in a surprisingly compact package
>>28064257Can't rev. Sounds like a garbage truck.
>>28064257>pushrods
>>28068297that's so smallwhy are american engines so small? i thought americans liked big engines?
>>28067204>be ford>make about a trillion mustangs per year>only about 15 of them have cool engines (gt350/500)>priced at minimum 3x msrp of a loaded mustang gt, before markup >even though it's just a loaded mustang gt with some stickers and an expensive engine>also be a cheap cunt and refuse to use good manual transmissions in normal mustangs because gotta save that $16.81 per unit!>be chevy>make arguably the best track car of the decade for less than 60k>make it manual only because no faggots allowed >everyone buys a v6 automatic mustang instead>well, you did say no fags allowed...>also make it uglier and harder to see out of year after year because ???>people stop buying it>"oh no who ever could have seen this coming whelp guess we gotta kill it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ">be dodge>YOU get a hellephant! >YOU get a hellephant! >EVERYONE GETS A HELLEPHANT! >*dies*
>>28068357>be chevy>make arguably the best track car of the decade for less than 60k>make it manual only because no faggots allowedWhich one?
>>28067615>>28067621>>28068339>muh revsJust make the gears longer, LS has more torque and same peak power as those bug engines
how's fuel mileage for a 6.0 vs a 5.3. 10-13mpg?transmission options? looking to swap into an old chevy. So heavy old car.Just looking for a reliable and simple swap to daily.
>>28064257A vortec 350 is a lt4 clone cam away from 400hp, you can slap a $150 carb and vacuum distributor on it anywhere in the country, and no one is touching it. My head is working on an upper plenum in cad so you don't even have to buy the whole intake. This is THE budget power engine, and no one is touching them. Me? I like my queertech free 50mpg
>>28067615>314hpNigga that's not even NA camaro v6 power
>>28068381anon is likely referring to The Legendary & Mighty 1LE's.
>>28069203He's wrong then
>>28069203and/or zl1 probably, since the 1le was 40k or under iirc>>28069206oh really, fill us in then
>>28069413
>>28068351it actually makes me sick how americans can hop from one thread where they say things like 'power to weight is a euro cope' to another where they argue that ohv is superior to ohc because it's lightweight and compact without even blinking, no other nationality could be capable of such straight-faced hypocrisy, except maybe a russian if it was necessary to hold two contradictory views in order to avoid disagreeing with the tsar
>>28068388You're a retard lmao. Longer gears with a high torque engine just makes it a dog. You can't just throw long gears on a dump truck and think you'll haul ass. Otherwise diesel would be at the forefront of drag racing. Lopsided torque vs hp means you can output a lot of power slowly. Your logic is like putting stilts on an elephant and thinking it'll outpace a cheetah. In fact the LS engines only make power when you tune them to rev and give them the upgrades to rev. Otherwise you're stuck in 400hp hell making 600tq that you can't do anything with.
>>28064483>um actually the coyote doesn't have vvt, it has vctShut up nigger. Yes I know this is a Triton phaser, having double the phasers isn't a good thing.
>>28069413SS started at 38k1LE was a 7,000$ optionZL1 was ~67kZLE was ~72kDepending on year the cheapest 1SS 1LE was ~43k>>28069670They aren't complaining about the physical size of the engine, they complain about the amount of displacement. >lol 6.2 liters >LT1 physically smaller than most DOHC V6s>>28067621DZ302 did it back in the 60sLS7R was tested for 8k but was limited to 7100LS7 "redlined" at 7k but cut fuel at 7100>>280676152GR redlines at 7200 RPMLT1 at 6600That's ~92% the revs.Even with the supercharger kit the 2GR makes less power than the NA LT1 at any point in the rev range and still has a major torque deficit. Stock 2GR-FE weighs just ~400lbs while an LS3 is around 430 and an LT1 is ~460. Is a 600rpm and (up to) 60lbs weight savings worth losing nearly 200lb/ft of torque through the entire rev range? You can gut and replace an LS/LT to increase the redline to nearly 8k.>>28066077>literally outdated>Is it still competitive >cannot rev>Most modern DOHC engines also redline 6500kThe only engines currently in production I can think of that go over 7k Type R - 7000Z - 7,000Mustang - 7200Grolla - 7300Gr86 - 7500Great so an engine revvs to the moon, how much power is being generated? You need 7000rpm to create 184lbft torque? Less power than an LS3 can made at idle? An LT1 makes nearly 300 torque at idle and a smooth incline up to over 400 until redline. That's almost as much torque while doing nothing as a Type R at peak. A 5.0 Coyote needs nearly 4500rpm to reach that 300 torque figure and still falls short by the time it hits redline.
If pushrods are bad then how come nascar cars use them ?
>>28069980>A racing series that rebuilds their engine often uses outdated shit so it has to be good
Why are non pushrod engines so slow?
>>28068351FYI that's a 7.2L engineburgers like big (displacement) engines
>>28069980Kek nascar also used carbs, solid axles, and recirculating ball steering until the most recent gen. Any more questions?
>>28069992for the millionth time anon that used nitromethane it's not the same as the 16L 128HP pushturd engine you have in your crusty old mustang
>>28069980because the rules say they have to>>28069992this probably has a lot to do with packaging desueven if you could get an extra 100hp out of dohc it would not be worth the air drag costit even has a dry sump system just to make the engine shorter for that reason
>>28069938Except LS doesn't have a diesel powerband where it falls on its face midway through the rev range, the difference between peak torque and torque @ redline is about the same as Coyote
>>28070383Methanol is not the same as nitromethane, retard. That engine is fundamentally the same as the 335hp pushturd engine in my crusty old truck.>>28070395It has everything to do with packaging. Why would you want a physically bigger engine with less displacement?
>>28064257Anyone who genuinely thinks this is an autistic dork who probably wears cargo shorts. Variety is the spice of life.
>>28064412Winning the class is winning the race, in its class.So yes if I performed Le Mans on a bicycle and finished 1st of bicycles I won the race.
>>28064483Dude the LS2 will do 500HP on cams and a header and still doesnt need gay dohc or vvt.
>>28071662does it idle without a retarded lope though
>>28071662>destroys your lifters in your path
only a complete retards like OP would own an engine without a carget help
>>28071800>a complete retards
>>28071653you're quite sure of that? the previous record holder in the category, this one http://thompsonlsr.com, which I believe you or someone else on /o/ also bragged about for its dubious similarity to the engine they had in their clapped out old burgermobile, definitely used nitromethane, and I haven't been able to find any information either way on yours
>>28071659>i came 9th, i won!
>>28069992>land speed record cars barely exist outside of the US>pushrod V8s also barely exist outside of the US>wtf why are there so many land speed record cars equipped with pushrod V8s in the US???a real mystery...
>>28066120>Godzilla 7.3... gets almost 20mpgsauce?
>>28072267Yeah I've driven superduty trucks of the last 30 years and milage hasn't improved much since they axed big blocks lol, I milked 15mpg out of a 6.2 once and 16.5mpg out of a 2v 5.4, once. Empty. With 3.73s and stock tires aired up properly. There is some retard here who claims his daddy has a 10 second 540 backed by a 700r4 that gets 20mpg too
>>28072267>>28072427I can barely manage 17.5mpg with an empty standard wb diesel 3500 flatbed, I highly doubt people are getting better than 20ish mpg from other v8s.When my dad tows their 24ft trailer in his 6.4 ram 2500 he gets the same mpg as when I'm hauling 4000 in the bed and a 5k filled trailer tank."Efficiency" in the sense of what the vehicle returns on mileage has not increased, though efficiency relative to output and capacity certainly has.>>28072262Yes :)problem?
>>2807244120mpg is possible from idis, 6.5s, and 12v but the output of those trucks is so hilariously low it's not practical to use them to haul. Some guys with 6.0s that have the industrial/van 235hp tune have reached 20mpg too, but good luck finding a working 6.0
>>28072264are you implying OHC engines don't exist in the US? that's not really an answer, otherwise.
>>28072247Yes I'm quite sure... There would be no reason to run nitro. >Ken Duttweiler's 3,156-hp big-block Chevy did the deed on methanol boosted to "just" 35 to 36 psi by two Precision Turbo 88mm turbochargers.>>28072267inb4 autism. inb4 highway. inb4 it's not 20mpg.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCjQPTlfUDc
>>28064257I prefer the gen III hemi to the LS. I'd also take a 3800 over an LS.
>>28072635no, i'm implying that the overwhelming majority of performance engine applications in the US use pushrods
>>28073484>16.3 mpg is almost 20 mpgno
>>28073631The hybrid thread is that way faggot. Stop being poor and autistic.
don't care didn't ask plus you're a mutt
>>28073628this is true in the slightest. maybe if you're talking about NHRA drag racing, but most street racers don't use pushrod v8s. they're kids in japanese cars.
>>28074237isn't true*
