What killed America's domestic auto industry?
when in doubt blame obama
>>28067497cars made by fat fucks with butterfingers. I'll be honest that new cars these days are pretty competitive in offerings but there was a long period of time before the suv craze, where american cars were just made with cheap plastics, rattling and falling apart, while camrys and accords took over.
1973
>>28067497Outsourcing.
Workers in other nations with lower costs of living were willing to work for less. It really is that simple.Once the internet came around all of the formerly somewhat guarded science and engineering knowledge became easy to access across the world, and American companies didn't notice and chose to coast and stagnate.
>>28067497Jews
>>28067513same thing happened in aus, except it was fatal.ford/holden just were not competing at the same level and didn't bother trying to catch up until it was too late.
>>28067497In what way is it "killed"? GM outright is doing better than the German companies.
>>28067531Domestic manufacturing is dead, and has been for a while.
>>28067533How? All companies outsource, and many vehicles are still manufactured in the US. Not only do USDM manufacturers still manufacture here, but so do the nips, krauts and gooks. Manufacturing is still well and alive in the US, just maybe not at the levels as they were pre-1973.
>>28067497Technically they aren't even dead, but if you want an answer, it's this: the complete and utter inability and desire to make a product that people wanted to buy. Anyone who says otherwise is coping and I say that as someone who loves and in fact only owns American cars.They lost the 70's import race for this reason, they lost the 80's import race for this reason, they lost the 90's import race for this reason, they begged for bailouts in the 2000's, and now they're begging for a new-age Chicken Tax so that they won't lose the brewing 2020's import race too. American manufacturers want nothing more than to force their domestic market to buy their cars because when it comes to affordability (the top thing that many Americans care about) they simply aren't in the running and haven't been for decades. This has gotten worse because they recently realized selling budget cars doesn't produce anywhere near the amount of returns as selling super expensive cars. That's why every car is priced more and has more features and bloat and bullshit and the barebones commuter-cars have been axed one by one. They just aren't as profitable.As a result of their laziness and their price gouging people are looking elsewhere either out of choice or (most of the time, considering the economic straits we've been in since the 2000's) out of necessity. Lots of people don't have the money needed to participate in the market that the US auto industry has created, which is part of the reason why auto loans are ballooning every year.And before anyone says that they're being "strangled by regulation" or whatever cope bullshit people like to throw out there these days, these companies saw RECORD PROFITS in 2023, and some of those companies project that they're going to see record profits AGAIN by Q4 this year. Remember, their response to the influx of cheap Chinese EVs wasn't "guys please deregulate us so we can compete!" it was "MISTER GUBMINT BAN THESE CARS RIGHT NOW NOW NOOOW!!"
>>28067541>Went to the former General Motors Institute>This was the view outside my dorm window, an old Buick plantI've worked in 3 car plants in the US but American industry is a shadow of what it once was and I don't see why we'd pretend it isn't.
>>28067527Every single time
>>28067544>simply aren't in the running and haven't been for decadesGM's recent success with the Trax proves otherwise. They *are* catering to the lower-cost crowd. Just slowly.
the UAWthose dipshits think somebody who bolts fenders on should make 100k/year
>>28067497Jews figured out it was more profitable to ship millions of jobs out to 3rd world countries.suddenly we go from 50% manufacturing to sub 20%.surprised-Pikachu-face.jpghopefully Trump wins and the tarrifs work.
>>28067559There are a lot of factors in play to the decline of the US Auto Industry, but the single biggest one has to be the UAW. Absolute parasites that secrete apathy and malaise in every facility they infest. There's a reason foreign automakers fight tooth and nail to keep them out of their US plants.
>>28067569>zion don will save usngmi
>>28067544>ignores china nationalizing their auto industry and won't even allow competitors in themselves unless they control all operations, which allows them to save big on R&D by stealing.>ignores the chicken tax having never been affective and was easily skirted in which the jap trucks still couldn't beat the big three anyway>ignores that Chrysler was blatantly sabotaged by Merc, and had enough money built up to survive the financial crisis, and Ford didn't take a bailout at al>ignores other countries bailing out their own manufacturers or outright nationalizing them>ignores the japs discontinuing cars like the Honda Fit and Mitsubishi Mirage because people aren't buying themyea man, i can tell your post is unbiased.>>28067559Most UAW don't make 100k a year. if you work any union job you'd realize that only the most senior workers who've been there for awhile ever see that money. all new guys can expect to make 25-30$ an hour starting pay at most.If you've devoted your life to one job, you deserve a pay raise, however.>>28067576Foreign manufacturers are all unionized in their home countries, anyway. except China, where they can get away with paying people scraps.
>>28067544$10,000 Chinese EVs would murder any surviving bit of the US auto industry.we can't compete with China boi EVs built without any environmental laws.without any workplace safety laws built with CPP funding and sold at a loss.
Because they shit out cars like the infamous Chevette/Pontiac 1000 and it came back to bite them in the ass.https://youtu.be/oMsXLYFU0pU?t=168
>>28067587>nationalizing themNationalizing a failing car company is better than bailing it out IMO, executives should be stripped of ownership stake in companies that fail if they want the company to persist on government handouts.
>>28067559nah, Jews hate Unions because they allow us to negotiate wages. people think unions make cars more expensive.in reality the Jew boss owner is gonna screw the buyers no matter what.>>28067583already voted for him.
>>28067594I agree, American auto makers should've all been nationalized. and there should've been a contract based part supplier where the government pays contract companies to design basic parts for cars, like generic but reliable transmissions and generic but reliable under powered 4 cylinders like the iron poop powered mail trucks. this would eat a lot of the cost for compact cars that typically have small profit margins but still cost a shit ton to develop.Do the standardized sealed beams headlight thing, but for transmissions and engines (obviously don't make it mandatory, but as a backup for manufacturers that maybe don't want to design their own engines and transmissions).
>>28067588Sure thing zhang.
>>28067587>>28067588>but muh nationalization>but muh sabotaging by foreign takeoversSo? Nothing in these posts disputes what I was saying. Why were they bought out and sabotaged? Because they couldn't compete and had to merge. Why will nationalized auto industries take them over? Because they couldn't finagle a market move that prevented this from happening.They. Lost. Isn't that how the free market is supposed to work? They couldn't cheapen their process, they couldn't reinvent themselves, they couldn't carve out a market niche, whether that's on cost, quality, or branding. If you don't like it, then you don't like the free market. Do you think it was fair in the 50's and 60's when every other country was a bombed-out shithole and America was paying people to have jobs and buy cars, ballooning their manufacturing base several times over? Now that the shoe is on the other foot there sure seems to be a lot of pants-shitting going on.
>>28067587>ignores that Chrysler was blatantly sabotaged by MercYou mean like what Chrysler did to AMC? Or is it based when they do it?>Ford didn't take a bailout at al(l)Yeah they did, they borrowed six million dollars. The argument that they "weren't bailed out" was that as a company they didn't need the money on their balance sheets. In spite of this, they still lobbied for everyone else to get bailed out because they believed that if everyone else collapsed they would lose all of their supply chains and a lot of their dealers due to branding overlap. So in other words if there was no industry-wide bailout they would have sunk eventually. This is according to them, btw. You fell for the marketing.
>>28067630>but muh chicken tax!>but muh tariffsso? why are you being taxed and tariffed? Because you can't find loopholes to get around them or just eat more of the cost so the customer doesn't have to pay it. in otherwords, you can't compete.>Isn't that how the free market is supposed to work?Indeed, you're free to try and get around my taxes and tariffs just as i am free to get around yours. >Do you think it was fair in the 50's and 60's when every other country was a bombed-out shitholeYes, because american money was used to rebuild those shitholes and our economic trade policies made their products often cheaper in our country than ours could be in theirs.post your american cars, btw. or any car at all. here's mine. i'm starting to smell a bus rider.
>The US automotive industry has historically been based in the city of Detroithai guise what's going on in this cit->In 2004 the mayor of Detroit's chief of staff asked two police officers 'Do you know who the fuck I am?' when they pulled her over for speeding, then made a call to the city's chief of police after which the two officers were ordered to let her go>In 2008 police officers were sent to the home of the mayor's sister to serve a subpoena when the mayor came to the door accompanied by numerous armed bodyguards and shoved an officer away from the house, after which the officers withdrew to avoid violent escalation>both the mayor and his chief of staff were ultimately forced to leave office after they were discovered to have lied in court that they were not having an affair when over 14000 text messages they had sent each other using their work-issued pagers came to light, many of which were of a sexual nature>shortly after his departure from office the mayor became embroiled in a further series of trials related to corruption, in which he claimed not to know who had paid for his million dollar home or the numerous Cadillacs in his and his wife's possession>he was ultimately sentenced to 28 years in prison>he was succeded in office by Dave Bing, the strength of whose campaign largely rested on his successful career in the NBA>4 years into his tenure the city of Detroit was offically declared bankrupt
>>28067664>You mean like what Chrysler did to AMC?Is AMC a german company or an american one?>they borrowed moneya lot of car manufacturers would count as bailed out, then. including Mazda, who took way more than six million during covid.
>so? why are you being taxed and tariffed? Because you can't find loopholes to get around them or just eat more of the cost so the customer doesn't have to pay it. in otherwords, you can't compete.>Indeed, you're free to try and get around my taxes and tariffs just as i am free to get around yours.If you're arguing that government intervention is part of the free market, then why are you complaining about other countries subsidizing or nationalizing their manufacturers? They use their government to make things super cheap for manufacturers, we use our government to curtail the purchasing power of our citizens, apparently. What exactly are you trying to argue here?>Yes, because american money was used to rebuild those shitholes and our economic trade policies made their products often cheaper in our country than ours could be in theirs.Oh okay, so you literally are just arguing that it's based when we do it. There's no point in continuing if that's the case.Anyway, here are my American cars. I don't have a picture of my third one but it's a bigass SUV.
Drugs. Every auto industrial town is wrecked by em. Then again, what did one expect when these dudes passively work with various chemicals for prolonged periods of time compounded with minimal concepts of health preservation when fucking around with all aspects of post war industrial labor you get some of the fastest downward spirals in American history in terms of Town Lore. What the fuck do are you gonna expect a guy to build out of a machine whos morning ritual is casually spiking his coffee with antifreeze because haha it has some booze innit boss ain't goin' know. You get diminished quality control. Terrible build quality and struggling finances. Jobs get cut. Growth plummets. Now you're spinning plates on poles to keep the lights on. The domino's fall, uncle Sam bails the companies themselves out. Their budget can't hire everyone from before so they outsource/cheaper. It's a damn fucking shame.
>>28067682>If you're arguing that government intervention is part of the free market,I'm not, you are. since you don't care about other countries using government to get a leg up, why bring up the chicken taxi or le bailouts? >They use their government to make things super cheap for manufacturersSo do we. once again, you can often get foreign cars like german ones cheaper in america than you can in germany. and we don't have to enslave our citizens like China does to make things cheaper. car ownership in america is generally cheaper and easier than most of the developed world. we buy more cars per capita than anywhere else. >What exactly are you trying to argue here?That you're clearly biased. i just used some of your points against you. your rant included what the american government does to benefit american automakers, i said others do the same.so why did you bring it up at all if none of it matters?>so you literally are just arguing that it's based when we do it.do what, massively help other countries? what did america "do" besides be a massive net positive to a conflict it didn't even start? based cars, btw. i have a little more respect since you delivered. do they even run?
>>28067704>I'm not, you are. since you don't care about other countries using government to get a leg up, why bring up the chicken taxi or le bailouts?Because my entire point is that at the end of the day what is or isn't the "free market" is an illusion. No one is sitting around to wave a flag and say "no no no you can't do that, it's not part of the free market ethos" when another company does something. You either compete and lobby or get shit on in the corporate world, that's how it works. These companies lost prevalence because they couldn't hack it, and remember, I don't even agree with the idea that they're "dying" because they've been hitting record profits.>car ownership in america is generally cheaper and easier than most of the developed world.Cheaper, no, but definitely more accessible on account of massive amounts of loans. Other developed countries have far more affordable cars.>do what, massively help other countries? what did america "do" besides be a massive net positive to a conflict it didn't even start?I'm not saying that we don't massively help other countries, it goes back to what I was saying before. There is no line to be drawn between government and "free market" on the global scale. You compete or you don't, and US manufacturers "lost out" (still not even really the case) because they weren't able to leverage the market in the way that other companies absolutely WERE able to.>based cars, btw. i have a little more respect since you delivered. do they even run?Thanks, yeah, they both run. The Thunderbird has gone on multiple cross-state roadtrips already. The Challenger has been confined to local runs because the fuel sender is fucked and I don't wanna get stranded. Works great otherwise though and that's getting fixed soon.
>>28067497Corporate greed/housing as a commodity. Execs keep increasing their salaries to keep up with increasing taxes on the wealthy, and they pull that money away from the bottom end of the company. Government takes that extra tax money to hire more government workers so they all have to do less work. Combine that with significant housing costs that the government and banks will stop at nothing to protect, and you get a shitshow where nobody working on the factory floor will ever dream of owning a house so why fucking bother trying. All you're doing is paying politicians and execs to fuck your life up while you pay rent to some foreign landlord.
>>28067504It was actually Clinton with NAFTA.
>>28067678Detroiter here. That was what happened when all the white people abandoned the city in the 60s and it was left for the next 50 years to the blacks. They ran it entirely into the ground. Since the early 2010s, the whites have been methodically taking back the city from the center out and rebuilding. Looking back in time on Google Maps Street View 10 years ago vs today shows just how fast the city is being revitalized now that white people are moving in to take the city back.
>>28067912Previous Flintoid with several Detroit ex GFs here.People have been saying that about Detroit forever. It's not happening, the place is a shithole. That city is fucked and a few karens dropping gov't money on "beautification" isn't going to change that.Seriously, I remember in the '00s people went on and on about how Detroit is on the up-and-up and it's the place to be. It isn't.
>>28067497Globalization. It's so much cheaper to build cars in other countries. Most companies are 40-50% production outside of America and western Europe. Have to be to compete.
1973 oil crisis was the absolute buck-break moment for American carmakers. https://youtu.be/ClaNhx71XB8They could never recover after that, they never even learned how to make a good reliable 1.5-2.0L 4 cylinder engine. If you talk USA as a whole country 1971 was the buck-break moment. In general the 70s were a turning point for our burger friends. The current generation of our burger friends has 0 clue how good their ancestors had it in the 1950s and 1960s. Picrelated: average American car in the 1960s that an average wagie could afford without any problems.
>>28067971And this is what a European highly educated professional could afford in the prosperous decade of 1970s in Europe.
>>28067926All that lead went to your brain. Flint should be used without warning as an air force training ground for dropping munitions. You obviously have spent no time downtown in Detroit.
>>28068016>t. real estate bagholder
>>28068016Detroit is no different from Flint. I went many times. Taking chicks to the DIA or Henry Ford Museum then driving around downtown. It’s awful, the whole fucking town. No amount of govt spending making hipster apartments or parks will bring the citizens income.Are you ready to get jumped by guys coming out of the bushes when you’re at a red light? Detroit is even worse than St Louis.
>>28067742If you took all of the money of the execs and distributed among the workers, the workers would make a grand total of $2,300 more per year lol. Not a real number obviously, and depends on the company, but the wage is determined primarily by supply and demand, not by "corporate greed"
>>28067971That wasn't what the average wagie was buying at all. That was the car of an upper middle class person with a family.People heavily overestimate what the average person was driving back then and all you have to do to figure out the truth is look at any aerial highway image from that decade. Just like today, most people drove economy cars or used cars that were several years out of date. If you watch in-period films like Bullitt you still end up seeing lots of cars from the mid-1950's on-screen, because people were still driving cheap mid-century shoeboxes that they got for $300 or less. The idea that everyone was rolling around in a new Galaxie convertible is entirely wrong, as is the related assumption that by 1970 everyone had a V8. In reality most people were driving base-model inline-6's. This can be confirmed by looking at the actual production numbers of luxury and performance cars compared to the budget models and trims from the same manufacturers.People look at the prices of luxury cars of the era and think "wow, $5000 for a luxury performance car? that's a steal!" while conveniently forgetting that used cars were $100 (which, incidentally, would be about an entire week's pay for the average person).Example of your average highway in this period since this stupid fucking site won't let me upload the image: https://c8.alamy.com/comp/AAMC8Y/1950s-1960s-highway-traffic-cars-along-malibu-beach-santa-monica-california-AAMC8Y.jpg
>>28067569>hopefully Trump wins and the tarrifs work.Would those be the same tariffs he promised and never delivered during his first term? Is he still telling you that he's going to build a wall too?
>>28068070>was mostly normal carsOkay, still better than now. Let’s say you make $16/hr 38/hr/wk (they don’t want to pay you insurance). That’s 2,400 / mo. Take out 800 for medical, 100 for car insurance, and $35 / day in food and beverage including what isn’t eaten. Now we’re down to $500 / month before even considering housing or utilities which is often the biggest slice. Haven’t even gotten to food, clothes, phone, computer, entertainment, dating budget, gas, water bill, etc.Some people are doing better, but this is the reality for many. Even a budget car seems like a fantasy for average Joe.
>>28067587>all that yapping>no sauce
>>28067497America's domestic auto
>>28068083I'm not disputing any of that. I'm just saying that the idea of anyone less than a doctor, lawyer, accountant, etc. buying the car that anon posted is completely ahistorical. Your average person drove a shitter econobox or a hand-me-down back then just like they do today.
>>28068127Valid argument, but consider that your avg 60s car didn’t go 100k miles, even hand-me-downs were pricier then.
>>28067974at least they have the excuse of not having oil, what's ours?
>>28068136>even hand-me-downs were pricier then.Except they weren't. Again, looking at actual materials from the era will show this: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d3/d8/bd/d3d8bdcc146b87964359c1dfac308ada.jpgIf you pulled the average 1966 American wage of $140 a week before taxes and bills and you needed a car now, do you think you'd be buying a last-year Thunderbird for $3195 at almost half your yearly salary, or a 1960 Fairlane after several months of saving? You'd be doing the latter, and a simple look at the roads in the period tells us that everyone else was doing the latter too.
>>28067974and it made the same power as the V8 your daddy or grandaddy had at the time
>links to jpg hosted on pinterest cdn instead of just uploading it herewhat.
>>28067497Americans aren't particularly good at anything. When they got shown up by Asians in the 70s and then told to cut profits for employee wages, they started lobbying to butter up foreign relations and gut themselves for chinks to keep profits. If you can't beat em, join em.
>>28067527This, they hate us and want us dead. Outsourcing all our industry from the top down was easy when you control the system.
>>28068155Oh shit, a Fairlane? That's terrible! >>28068070Holy shit, only an I6 engine? You realize nowadays that's way above "average" and to get an I6 vehicle you're looking at paying at least $50k?
>>28067497Greed
>>28068523And this was the european, UK more specifically, equivalent of that same year with 1.2L 4 cylinder engine. I look at these pictures and always think of that retard Clarkson who drove around in Ferraris, which only a dozen european oligarchs could afford to drive, while at the same time talking about how europeans were so much more sophisticated than americans lmao. Bunch of copers.
>>28068027>Detroit is even worse than St Louisthe data says not quite>>28053744
>>28068258The site wasn't letting me upload anything.>>28068523>>28068536I don't understand why you keep obfuscating my words here. The point is that the world as >>28067971 this post presents it is a complete and utter fiction. We can easily discern this from seeing what was driving around via pictures at the time, and by seeing what the average wage was and comparing it with available prices along with seeing how many top-trim cars were actually made. The shitboxes may have looked nicer (I agree they did), but they were still shitboxes.The average person wasn't driving a top-trim convertible or a muscle/personal luxury car or a homologation special. People have this weird idea in their heads that their granddads worked for a summer or two at White Castle and then immediately went out and bought a current-year Thunderbird or GTO or Superbird or whatever as their first car and it's just not true. Performance and luxury cars were for the rich back then just as they are now. That post romanticizes the past to a ridiculous degree that is easily proven wrong by opening Google Images and looking at streets and parking lots full of old cars and shitboxes. The average poster on this board would be in the same place then as they are now: $20 weekly after bills and taxes, walking past the car dealerships on Main Street and hoping that one day they'll be able to buy a V8.>You realize nowadays that's way above "average" and to get an I6 vehicle you're looking at paying at least $50k?This isn't even relevant to what's being discussed right now but I'm going to call it out because it's also a complete misunderstanding of how things operate today. Those i6 engines were wheezers compared to your average modern i4; they would get toasted off the line by a Corolla. Do you have to pay more for an i6 today? Sure. But the i4s of modern bottom-trims provide more power on average than the bottom-trims (and some V8s) of yesteryear. Average engine power has gone up substantially.
>>28067671>Free market means the government gets to interfere You're actually retarded
>>28067497Americans.
>>28067497(((Free Trade)))
>>28068599Yeah just ignore the fact that the majority of families in the country had a GI from the second world war and car designers from the 50s-70scatered to this crowd because they were the ones with moenyYou're either retarded at best or a history denial shill at worst
shareholdersamerican corporations care more about dumpstering their assets to put money in the csuite's pockets than they do making quality productsmeanwhile jap, kr, and german manufacturers are prioritizing rnd and retaining their employees
>>28068625>Yeah just ignore the fact that the majority of families in the country had a GI from the second world war"Families" doesn't have anything to do with this because "families" don't buy cars; people *in* those families do. Citizens who were ellligible for veterans' benefits in 1944-1945 were 11% of the population, far from a majority of anything, even if every last one of those people started families. Also, just having the GI bill didn't mean that you were loaded. You know who else had the GI bill? Thousands upon thousands of poor people who joined the military because it was the only job they could land, got back, and remained poor. You don't think homeless/impoverished/ working-class/fucked-up vets is a problem unique to the 2000's, do you?> car designers from the 50s-70scatered to this crowd because they were the ones with moenyThis is also not necessarily true. Sure, there were definitely some MODELS of car that catered to this crowd, such as luxury and sports cars, but one of the biggest shifts that took place in the mid-60's to early-70's was actually manufacturers and dealerships catering to YOUNG people. That's how we got the explosion of the Beetle and the Mustang; they were cheap, highly-customizable cars meant for the lifestyles not of GIs, but of the CHILDREN of GIs (these would be the Boomers; their parents, the Greatest Generation, were the veterans). Legendary dealerships like Mr. Norm's Grand-Spaulding Dodge custom-ordered cars for 20-something boomers with upper middle-class parents who wanted fast but reasonably-cheap cars. This shift towards the youth was also responsible for the rebranding of pickup trucks as youth culture items rather than work vehicles (picrel). The Greatest Generation actually fell out of automotive history very quickly towards the end of the 1950's because once they bought a house or a car, they simply kept it. Manufacturers needed a new market, and that market was the Boomers.
>>28067497The United Auto Workers.
>>28068659>Nooo you can't reference what US auto makers said who were making cars for, thats against the rules!Get the fuck out of here you fucking commie
>>28067742>Execs keep increasing their salaries to keep up with increasing taxes on the wealthyTaxes on the wealthy are less than half of what they were before 1981 and have been at relatively consistent rates since then. The top rate now is actually lower than what it was through most of the 2010s. Most of those wealthy people only pay a tiny fraction of the nominal tax rate anyway, they pay creative accountants hundreds of thousands of dollars to save them millions. They're just increasing their salaries because they can get away with it. The C-suite hardly matters anyway, the real issue is that a small handful of investment companies own fucking everything and their portfolios are so massive and diverse that they don't care about crashing huge legacy companies if it means they can extract a few billion more a year out of them in the short term, and in fact given the origin of a bunch of these huge funds (China, the Middle East, etc.) they may actually see weakening America as a bonus.
>>28068608According to the chinese shills, it does. but you're too retarded to follow a conversation.>>28068110nobody in this thread has posted "sauce" for anything they've said.
>>28068808You haven't sourced a single thing while I've been pulling up in-period information and evidence left and right. If you look at the actual history and the ACTUAL MARKETING MATERIALS they put out, it turns out that you're just wrong. Pony cars weren't for the Greatest Generation. Muscle cars weren't for the Greatest Generation either. By the 70's the youngest GI bill recipients would be 46 years old; you won't find anyone that age in the vast, VAST majority of car advertisements from the mid-60's onwards. You know what advertisements DID feature the Greatest Generation? 50's and early 60's advertisements for large family cars, convertibles, luxury cruisers, and top-trims. We can also see that in the form of modern-era survivorship bias from the collector interests for those years: Bel Airs (Chevrolet's top trim), Impalas (luxury model), Thunderbirds (grand tourer), Corvette (luxury sports car), Eldorados (luxury cruiser), Montclairs (Mercury's top trim), and on and on and on. Companies like Dodge even went so far as to make FUN of the Greatest Generation's understanding of what a car is in commercials like their famous Sheriff promotions ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az_gECAGXvE ). You can blatantly see the difference in marketing between the late 50's and early 60's advertisements where you have a bunch of painted 30 year olds standing around a car at the country club and flowery language about comfort and luxury to minimalist mid-60's and 70's advertisements featuring photographed young people next to the cars in question, coupled with language directly linking their desires to the cars themselves.I don't know where you're getting your info since you haven't linked anything, but I have the feeling that you may have misunderstood the years that those companies were talking about, assuming that they did actually say this. Like I said, when you get to the mid-sixties, things swap over heavily, since that's when the first of the Boomers hit their 20's.
>>28068659>Manufacturers needed a new market, and that market was the Boomers.And that's the only market auto makers have cared about since, which is why we're stuck with a bunch of bloated eggshit these days
>>28068879Makes sense seeing as they were the biggest and richest generation that the US ever had.
The oil crisis
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>>28067529The AU3 and everything after was magnificent but I think that was the first decent car they did since the XF. I can't comment on Holdens but the VY, VZ and VE are the only ones I like after the VL
>>28067547Because you're dealing with a "learn to code" leftist manchild
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>>28069560I also happen to be a software engineer with a security+.And a bigger coincidence is I made a simple video game in BASIC (FF1 battle system with ATB) when I was 12 as well and used the same bitmapping method for sprites.I have mech eng and software eng degrees, but he was 25 making paypal while I was in elementary school and now the oppotunity is gone....
>>28067497Better cars from overseas
NAFTA and be extension Messicans
>>28067912My coworkers and I used to browse Detroit neighborhoods and laugh about how funny it would be to buy up an entire neighborhood and then go around in a tank collecting rent like a slum lord. Shit was crazy though, houses for less than 5k just blocks from multi-million dollar houses.
>>28067497jews and niggers
>>28068599>>28068659>>28068865you claim that the vast majority of americans back then were not very rich and could not afford cars like>>28067971but yet you also say that late 60/early 70s V8 muscle cars were targeted towards younger people (the baby boomers) which would have been the poorest demographic at the time,how come?
>>28067497>What killed America's domestic auto industry?Post 1971 U.S. Dollar currency devaluation combined with growing EPA regulations slowly forced car manufacturing out of the USA and into other countries. Both happened around the same time in the early 1970's and it was by design and on purpose. America was becoming too exceptional.>>28067912>that picSomeone post the "Black people vs. atomic bomb, Detroit vs. Nagasaki" infographic.
>>28067497Seat belt laws
>>28068136>but consider that your avg 60s car didn’t go 100k milesHow is this provable? Source?
>>28068083>Take out 800 for medical800 for medical? Lose some weight fatass
>>28067974>And this is what a European highly educated professional could afford in the prosperous decade of 1970s in Europe.What keeps the europoors poor anon?
>>28067700>Drugs. Every auto industrial town is wrecked by em.Lol they didn't show up to work?
>>28070136i wouldn't say it's proof but you can get an idea of just how long manufacturers expected their cars to last when they had 5 digit odometers
>>28070000Because by the mid 60's when these cars had been popular, there had been 20 non-stop years of economic growth and industrial progress. Great Generation workers and GIs got to benefit from two decades of steady jobs, housing, and other opportunities, putting them into the perfect position to spoil their children (which we know from history and modern Boomer attitudes that they did in spades).Additionally, many of the engines that would eventually be put into muscle cars weren't even manufactured until around 1960. The Chrysler B and RBs engines along with the Ford FEs weren't until 1958, Chevrolet's performance bores didn't start coming out until 1957 at the earliest, with most of their legendary engines not arriving until 1962 at the earliest with the introduction of the 4.000 bore. Others like Ford's 335 series (351 Cleveland) weren't until much later. V8 engines became cheaper to produce and thus cheaper to buy. The cars that they were put into *also* became cheaper to make and thus cheaper to buy. A look at the comparative prices of a mid-trim V8 in 1966-1970 to a V8 of any kind in 1950-1960 reveals a great deal; a 1965 Mustang 289 (the top trim!) was $2,500; the price of a new Sunliner in 1960 was nearly $3,000 before a single option was added.It's also worth mentioning that most of the muscle cars that were marketed to young people weren't things sporting crazy engines like the Hemi or thee 440 or the FE 390 or the 454. They had far more run of the mill engines instead; the 289, the 313, the 340, maybe things like the 383 or the 351 on the high end of things. Progress made things cheaper and more powerful, and a lot of the performance cars being marketed to young people were purposefully stripped down and corner-cut as much as was feasible so that as much of the purchase price was going towards the engine as possible. Cars like Mustangs and Darts and Plymouths were really just blank boxes with a drivetrain thrown in to keep the costs low.
>>28070181>>28070000Ultimately the thing to realize is that even as performance cars became cheaper, they were still predominantly the hobby of kids with upper middle class parents. The idea of scrappy poor kids running around in 300 HP muscle cars is mostly something that we get from movies, and the poor kids that WERE doing that were doing so in chopped and rodded scrapyard husks. That's actually where hot rodding as a culture comes from: tech-savvy (for their time) boomers that couldn't afford muscle cars and spent their time refurbishing salvage instead.A more historically-accurate version of "poor kids in 300 HP muscle cars" only came into being in the late 70's into the 80's when the high-performance gas guzzlers lost a ton of value during the oil crisis and were sold off for pennies. Lots of high schoolers bought those cars and did burnouts and blew them up and wrapped them around trees and lightposts, all while thinking nothing of it because they were barely worth the scrap you'd get for them at the salvage yard. Part of the reason why a lot of those younger (born in the 50's and 60's) Boomers remain obsessed with those cars is because they crashed or sold them off in the 70's and 80's and are kicking themselves over it now.
>>28070138800/mo for medical is called charging people for birth defects which they didn’t cause to themselves while telling the public that it’s fair. I take injections to live and all my income is gone. I can’t live a week without it but hey Obamacare offers me a $780 / month plan as the cheapest with a stupid high deductible.
>>28070185>That's actually where hot rodding as a culture comes from: tech-savvy (for their time) boomers that couldn't afford muscle cars and spent their time refurbishing salvage instead.Should note since I worded this poorly that hot rodding has a history that extends further back than this, but salvage was where people were getting their kicks when factory performance was out of reach.
>>28067926Yep, I grew up in a rustbelt town that became a dystopian nonwhite hellhole after the manufacturing went overseas. As long as I can remember, they've been talking about how things are turning around, the future is looking bright, more of dem programs, etc. Meanwhile it's consistently in the top 5 of most violent US towns under 200k population. It's simply over for places like this without a wild shift in demographics.
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>>28067497I was going to say the dodge brothers, but >>28067527beat me to it.
>>28070434https://www.jta.org/jewniverse/2015/why-dodges-original-logo-was-a-jewish-star
>>28067553Is that a wage cage™?
>>28067497Russianas, Jews, Chinese, Europoors, Pajeets, Niggers and Spics
>>28067974*ahem*
>>28067497Government and Unions.
>>28067912it's (((investors))) who are gentrifying the place to create another liberal hive city
>>28072615weren't these almost entirely bought by americans?
>>28067742>Execs keep increasing their salaries to keep up with increasing taxes on the wealthyYeah, bro, it's not greed at all.
