Pros:>low drag coefficient>lighter than what came before & after>easily modified >can be had relatively cheap>t-tops and flip up headlights>can be made into a decent road car and is actually quite nimble for an American car>still one of the coolest looking cars ever made>briefly held the record for fastest top speed in a production car in Europe... when the Bugatti Veyron existed Cons:>generally mediocre build quality>lots of squeak and rattle points>many got bubba'd up by rednecks>hard to find one in decent condition>chassis needs stiffening if you want to put real power down>still significantly larger and heavier than most of its competition>t-tops tend to leak and are a weak point in the chassis>flip up headlights are extra failure point>bad stigma thanks to trailer trash stereotypeWhat do you guys think of Third Gen F-Bodies? I've got one as a project car and I've grown to appreciate it a lot over the course of the few months I've been working on it. It would have been nice if it weren't bubba'd up so bad but a beat to shit car is like a blank canvas. I don't have to worry about collector value, I just build what I want. So I'm building something that'll be fun to drive on the street.
Mullet -core. Crank up the Loverboy tunes.
>>28080102Had an anemic smog 305 V8 until the 350-equipped GTA which was deliberately automatic-only to not plunder Corvette sales.
>>28080121Heel ya bortherhttps://youtu.be/0u8teXR8VE4
>>28080102They will always be cool and a solid foundation for serious performance.
>>28080128Yeah and then in 1989 they stuck the turbo 3.8L under the hood and it was the fastest American production car that year which of course pissed off corporate because the Corvette was the golden child. Imagine how many cool cars could have been made over the years of GM didn't treat the Corvette like a golden calf.
>>28080102i fucking love this thing
>>28080128Nothing an LS swap won't fix...if your state allows that.
>>28080153Jelly
the 305 V8 was bad but that had nothing on the horror of the Iron Duke equipped F-bodies
>>28080102In pictures the 3rd gen looks better and more sleek but in real life the 3rd gen is noticeably smaller almost like a lot of 80's Japanese cars. The 3rd looks like a cheaper car than the 2nd gen because it has a lot of visible plastic which was modern looking for the time, still a cool car but I expected and all American cars to be huge.
>>28080102C4 bedder>>>pro>better build quality>all have the 350 v8>lighter>full targa, stows in rear>frame can be strengthened with a 600 dollar reversible kithttps://www.vette2vette.com/?q=productdisplay/84-96-corvette-c4-no-flex-frame-stiffener-bar-system>owned by boomers and generally taken care of>relatively reliable flipups, gear failure (99% of the problems) is a 1 hour job and holds for decades>2 tone brown color option (the best)>repro/remann parts are somewhat available>>>con>still gm shitplastic>early MTs are fucky>1984 is the worst by far but is also the most abundant>removing the aforementioned "full targa" turns car into noodle, at least without the frame stiffening kit>still rattles>doesn't like forced induction>L98 and LT1 engines both have niche fucky issues of their own>1990+ interiors are slathered with GM's special brand of EuroStyleShitGunk™ which has since melted into slag
>>28080366>1990+ interiors are slathered with GM's special brand of EuroStyleShitGunk™ which has since melted into slagAll 'Vettes have Rubbermaid interiors, it's a tradeoff to keep the weight of the car down.
>>28080366They only start to get good from '88 onward once enough time had passed to shake off the malaise engineering of the early C4s.
My dad's co-worker once tried to talk him into a stoplight race - his 305 Camaro versus my dad's Dodge 024 four pot. It would have been quite a race, too bad he declined the challenge.
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>>28080102That's the whole point of hotrodding, brother. Build it the way you want it. Keep what you love and toss the rest. Toss the 305 boatanchor and the explode-a-matic transmission in the garbage and go from there. Not an F-body guy, but I SUSPECT that a 4-point cage will really stiffen up the weak-ass hatch unibody and just maybe help with the leaking sunroofs. I always had a feeling that after they got a few miles on'em, the roofline would begin to flex and cause leaking.
>>28080137Same thing happened to the 1st CTS-V
>>28080366Salad shooters are so sex.
>>28080153Pretty badass bruv
>>28080475The charger should be speaking japanese because the malaise era charger was a rebadged mitsubishi
>>28080137The GNX, where Pontiac got that motor from, was killed for the same reason - chevy got all assblasted, that the vette was being eaten alive by a giant, blacked-out barcalounger.
>>28080102these cars are no longer worth it. any example that isnt trashed to shit can easily cost 10k and more, and these cars need their entire drivetrain swapped out if you want any sort of real power. the 7.5 10 bolt rear end shits itself approximately at 350-400 ftlb of torque, which is what a sub-350hp sbc makes. the gearboxes are fucking trash for handling power too, esp the manual ones. the t5 is so weak that even a stock smogged 350 goes above its maximum torque rating, which is why the 350 never came with a manual, contrary to what retards like >>28080128 believe. Then you have the rear drum brakes on a lot of model, that doesnt mix well with serious power too. The body is pretty weak too like you mentioned. By the point you upgrade everything the car ends up costing you much more than something with simmilar performance from the factory (like an ls1 4th gen for example).tldr: not worth it unless youre ok with toyobaru levels of power
>>28080102the firebird is like the low trim spec version of a corvette
A very solid choice. These motors are actually good from my experience, I'm sure that they rust like every other gm product. If you want it, get it, but I'd say grab a corvette or a saab 900 Turbo instead
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>>28080102finally getting to work on my 82 Z28 again
>>2808465980's american cars are such a clusterfuck and saying that the 80's were better than the 70's for cars is tremendous progressive (the old definition) cope
>>28080102>>lots of squeak and rattle pointsironically squeaks and rattles less than my newer cars>>t-tops tend to leak and are a weak point in the chassist-tops are gay and retarded just get one without them>>flip up headlights are extra failure pointfair. if gm wasnt retarded they wouldnt have put flimsy plastics inside so the gears can literally chew them up but here we are. i actually need to fix mine.>>bad stigma thanks to trailer trash stereotypenot in >yurop. everybody just sees kitt even if its not black.
>>28087364you cant afford any new cars
>>28080102This thing had a higher too speed than a Veyron?
>>28084659rear drums are fine, plenty of cars to this day run front-only discs
>>28087402projecting
>>28084659you have no tools
Just bought an F body. Changing out the fuel pump has made me want to kms.
>>28087364The gears are a feature, not a bug. The plastic gears are cheap and easy to replace. Better than burning up the electric motor or breaking a bracket.
>>28087598i guess but my other car with pop ups has mazda designed motors and these are nigh indestructible. id much rather have those pop ups but at least its easy to fix the pontiac ones.
>>28087634I think in the future when i have more money or I sell the Camaro id love a trans am. The snowflake wheels and popups are so cool.
>>280876383rd or 4th gen camaro? i unironically like the catfish with its shit eating grin. i dont like the 3rd gen trans am though. it looks like a snow plough with those ground fx. 4th gen firebirds in general are ugly.
>>28087547>his third gen's fuel pump isn't in the engine bay skill issue
>>280876583rd here >>28087547Its a 92 rs, 305 with a 5 speed. I dont have the cash for a late 70s trans am and I like most years of the early fbody trans ams. >>28087725>fuel pump in engine bayIshygddt
>>28088063>I like most years of the early fbody trans amsif by that you mean 82-84 then youre good. 85 and later is when they started making them into snow ploughs. unfortunately ive heard transmissions in those cars were made out of glass and no tree fiddy sbc either.
>>280880961500 gets you a rebuild kit to upgrade the borg warner t5 for about ~500 hp/tq or you can swap in a later 6 speed, all it takes is a relocation bracket. Im still triying to get this thing running, so I have no big power plans at all maybe a cam since the pervious owner already bought an edelbrock performer intake for it and some shorty headers because the stock manifold is genuine mashed anus.
>>28088107>1500 burgerstani coinsi hate how easy and cheap you have it there
>>28088113I paid less for this shitbox lmaoI also found a stash of drugs in the center console
>>28084780>I'm sure that they rust like every other gm productThat's why you get Texas or Arizona ones and avoid anything from road salt states.
>>28082403>The charger should be speaking japanese because the malaise era charger was a rebadged mitsubishiNo it's not, it's an Omni. You're confused with the Challenger.
>>28080102Luv me V8sLuv me birds Simples as
>>2808039588 had one year only front shocks which makes it incompatible with the ridetech kit unless you weld in the 89 and up front shock towers. It may also be difficult to find stock replacements. Thus my autism demanded an 89. 89 was also the first year for the acceptable manual transmission. There's too many details to get into as these cars changed a whole lot over the years but as a general rule, the older they get the shittier they get. Please do not get an 84, I beg you.>>28082233Meh>>28084659Correct. When I was in high school in the 2000s these cars were considered cheap trash. And while I've never driven one, I did drive an 88 Fiero and that told me everything I need to know about smog era GM build quality. As an aside the fiero is also bad. >>28080366The chassis stiffening isn't so straightforward. The vette2vette bars put the frame in compression front to rear, which puts additional stress on the spot welded chassis. This eventually breaks the spot welds over time and you're back to having a loose frame. The C4 chassis is a rather complicated design. It's not necessarily a bad one, but it was not built how it should have been. If they had solid welded everything it might be a different story. But the chassis can't really be fixed outside of stripping the whole thing down into a vettecart. Trust me, I did the research. That said, the car does handle rather well stock. A low center of gravity and 275s square with double wishbones can only be so bad.>>28087598I've heard a rumor they made the gears plastic not as a cost or weight saving measure, but so if your headlights were frozen shut it would just strip the plastic gear which is a cheap and easy fix rather than breaking something else. Not sure if that's true but it does make sense.>>28089266Cars from the southwest have good metal but the sun and heat will just obliterate all the plastic and rubber, which is debatably even more of a pain in the ass to fix depending on the car.
>>28080102>bad stigma thanks to trailer trash stereotypeI think they out aged it personally. I view more 4th gens and new edge mustangs as the current trailer park kings
>>28086856Nice
>>28089381Dashboards in 70s and 80s cars used to crack from sunlight a lot but they have better plastics nowadays. That said C4s had low grade interior materials to begin with as a weight saving measure and you'll have to learn how to do vinyl and ABS plastic welding if the interior parts are cracked and in need of repairs.
>>28089381>Please do not get an 84, I beg youThese first year models had a digital dashboard with a horrible failure rate. Apparently this was because the AC Delco factory where they maded the dashes had trouble figuring out proper ESD handling procedures so the electronics got zapped and two thirds of them would be DOA.
Go on corvetteforum. the friendly boomers there have a lot of advice about repairing plastic interior items in C4s. much of the plastic in these was ABS as it can handle higher temperatures than PVC although it hates sunlight. plastic damage is common on C4s especially if it's a Sun Belt state car.
>>28089475Yes as I said modern plastics are better than 80s plastics but at the same time the Corvette was cheap even for that time because they needed to make them as lightweight as possible.
Gen 2 F-bodies had 70s smog hardware but they don't feel as cheap as Gen 3s and they still had big engines in them instead of golf cart motors. The Third Gens feel like Hot Wheel toys.
>>28080102pros:bad ass pontiaccons:not for LIBERALSftfy op
>>28089503GM lost a lot of money in early 80s recession, it was first time since 1921 that they finished a year in the red.
How does the driving experience for one of these old F bodies compare with my truck? I have a 350/th350 swapped s10 blazer RWD. Similar weight and powertrain, but am wondering if I would get something more out of owning a third gen.
>>28089554The F-body is going to be a lot faster and have better gas mileage because of its shape while the Blazer is a brick. "Faster" meaning the F-body in stock form will do 0-60 in 14 seconds while it's like 18 for the Blazer.
>>28089448I find the 70's car plastic to be damn near indestructible outside of long-term sun exposureMid 80's and onward seem to be more complex, thinner, and get extremely brittle after 30+ years
>>28089381>Please do not get an 84, I beg you.Unfortunately it is tempting as they are often much cheaperOf course, they have by far the worst build quality, are much more fragile/finnicky, and on top of all that are tragically slow even for 1984
>>28089578As has been established, they got cheaper because everyone lost money in the early 80s recession and weight saving to meet CAFE standards became a priority. I do agree a '76 Camaro is a better car and feels higher quality than an '85 even with the emissions hardware.
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/body/196337-plastic-welding.htmlPlenty of info about repairing interiors on Turd Gens. Nothing isn't fixable with enough effort. I also agree a Sun Belt state car will probably just aggravate issues with the durability of the interiors in these cars at the tradeoff of sparing the frame from rust.
>>28089578Skimping on UV stabilizers saves money, another way is to reduce the butadiene component in ABS plastic which makes it more brittle and not as ductile. That combined with years of sun exposure (worsened if it's eg. a Florida car) will clobber your interior.
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/interior/611951-restoring-interior-plastic-carpet-7.htmlhe did a nice restore on this Firebird. i wonder how well he got the weed smell/beer/semen stains out of the carpet? with Third Gens expect that.
>>28089448nice thing about 60s and earlier-the interiors are all metal
>>28080102only good if turbine swapped and chatgpt self driving installed
The early 80s was a rough time with the bad economy and Detroit making the costly transition to FWD cars as well as new development costs like NHTSA crash tests. If the stuff felt a little cheaper than the 70s and earlier, unfortunate but understandable.
4chan of a decade ago would call them turd gens and rightly so.
i'm saying they didn't putstick shift on the IROC/GTA because GM didn't have a manual gearbox that was compatible with the 350 V8 outside the Corvette's and they weren't going to use that on the F-bodies since they weren't allowed to plunder Corvette sales; the one they had was even too flimsy for the 305.
>>28080435The Camaro would be a little faster than the Charger but more due to it being RWD than anything; the power to weight ratio between both cars was probably very close. Charger has less power on paper but it's also a smaller, lighter weight car. So figure 0-60 in 13 seconds on the Camaro and the Charger might pull it off in 14.
>>28080102Third gens have some of the worst build quality I've ever experienced. People talk about things not being meant to last nowadays but the interior on those weren't meant to last at all. The motorized trunk still annoys me to this day. Anyways I'm selling my 91 305 5 speed t top camaro for 4k it's a piece of shit but it runs.
>>28090231I think the generally lowlife white trash owners of those things didn't take the best care of them either. Neglecting basic maintenance and redlining them at every stoplight won't do them any favors.
>>28080102I really, really like the looks of any 3rd gen F-body. A later-80s IROC-Z is still one of my affordable dream cars. Lately though, I’ve been craving a ‘77-‘78 Trans Am with the 400 like picrel. A W72 especially would be sick but they’re double the cost of a “regular” Trans Am.
>>28080395Early ones looked better THOUGH
IDK my dad got 14 years out of his Charger/024 a car that was no better quality-wise than the typical F-body because he at least took care of his stuff and did regular oil changes and whatnot. That thing shouldn't have lasted as long as it did, most of them were off the road before the 80s was out and there were a lot less of those than there were F-bodies.
The Fox Mustang was the same crap. Also 110 hp smog V8, also Eastern Bloc build quality.
>>28089362Nice point about a W123--the owners of these were wealthy so most were well-cared for.
these things are more cool as a cultural symbol/80s kitsch piece than they are as cars
>>28080102"Aw hell yeah, I still remember the blowjob I got in my Trans Am outside that Dokken concert. That girl was something else, I tell ya."
I had about 3 opportunities to buy one for dirt cheap in my country. Last time was late last year.Was only a 305 with guaranteed island monkey problems but i just wanted something that would make V8 noises and rip a skid. Problem is, is that i cant get it within a mile of my house as the roads are that bad.
>>28090243I love them. The more white trash stigma the better, fags that want a "classy" car can go find one. More for me.
>>28089381lol trueIn 1988 I owned an ‘84 and yeah….it basically cured me from wanting another vette until the C8 came out 30 yrs later….and then the dealership idiocy drove me away again.
>>28089562>F-body in stock form will do 0-60 in 14 secondswhy are you a retarded liar
>>28089562I will have you know I have clocked this blazer at 8.89 seconds to 60 via dragy
it was the fucking injectors boys. I should take it in to have a shop flush the coolant, then I can get after the nonfunctional radiator fan.
>>28092898Why did you start in the engine bay.
>>28093086Idk what you mean anon?I replaced the fuel pump and still had a crank no start, so I rebuilt the throttle body and the injectors began to work.
>>28080102I fucking love 3rd gens don't see many firebirds around though.
>>28094126The Firebird's styling aged worse, it feels more gimmicky and Knight Rider. The Camaro's cleaner look hasn't dated as badly.
>>28094163idk back in the 90s when these were still a common sight on the road i always saw way more Camaros than I did Firebirds
>>28080137Why didn't they just stick that shit in a c4? They already considered a v6 RMR corvette, so why not drop the turbo v6 in the FMR c4 as an option?
https://news.classicindustries.com/1967-2002-camaro-generations-production-numbershttps://www.3rdgenformula.com/allyears/production_numbers.htmThere you go. Camaros were twice as numerous as Firebirds in every year of Third Gen production which is expected as Chevy had bigger production capacity and more dealerships than Pontiac.
>>28094185Pontiacs were simply more expensive trim for trim too.
>>28094167I think the Camaro out sold the Firebirds by a factor of 4x.never been a Fire chicken fan myself.
>>28092898>AC deleted>secondary air lines still in placeyank that shit anon
>>28094185>Chevy had bigger production capacity Maybe so but not relevant to F body production, both Camaros and Firebirds were built together, on the same line at the Van Nuys and Norwood assembly plants.
>>28094163>The Firebird's styling aged worse, it feels more gimmicky
>>28095291Nah, Im going to reinstall the AC once the weather warms up again.
>>28095494I meant more that since the AC is gone, you should take the secondary air crap off too. I just ripped that shit out of mine and it adds so much room, the spark plugs aren't a chore anymore.
>>28095300The Van Nuys plant was long known for having the worst Q/C of any GM plant. It was finally closed in 1992.
>>28095571Not really, just shitty water based paint because of California emissions laws. The Norwood cars always had better enamel paint but were otherwise built fairly similar in quality underneath. Which is to say, lol 80s GM quality.
>>28095504Ive removed the whole smog system already except for the manifolds if thats what you mean, but idc about that rn because ill get rid of them when I go to do the headers.
>>28093108That was supposed to say "shart".
>>28089381>23mpg on a 40 year old V8fine as fuck
>>28095571I remember a boomer telling me he worked a high school summer job at the Van Nuys plant in 1959 and saw some shit going on. So it seems that place always had a reputation.
>>28096115got any stories?
>>28095410Ikr? Firebirds look badass.
My dad said Firebird owners back then were more often grils while men preferred the Camaro.
>>28095574well my dad had a Dodge 024 and that was definitely watercolor paint on there not enamel and those IIRC were assembled in Illinois not California
>>28097797I never said nobody else used water based paint? Just that Norwood F bodies specifically used enamel.
>>28094174Because the lotus engineered LT5 ZR1 retook the title and its a superior design that actually holds up in endurance racing.
>>28080102The OP car's a Norwood definitely, that's enamel paint on there.
>>28097789Makes sense to me, the more cush interiors on pontiac would attract more women.
>>28089578>Mid 80's and onward seem to be more complex, thinnerPlastic parts with bends and curves in them are a bit more prone to fracturing as the bend point is under tension. I have a refrigerator like that where the plastic where it bends around the door is cracked. Car interior plastics also should have UV inhibitors in them but if GM decided to save a few bucks by leaving those out of the plastic formulation it can get sun damage fairly easily.
>>28084074For the record, everything you say here is wrong. The GNX was "killed" because the Regal went out of production.The T/A motor was a 231 with a 3800 top end, it was not installed in any other vehicle.Interestingly, to me anyway, the highest known sale was a plain old GN that brought nearly twice as much as a GNX.
>>28101664>Car interior plastics also should have UV inhibitors in them but if GM decided to save a few bucks by leaving those out of the plastic formulation it can get sun damage fairly easily.this is more of an issue in the Sun Belt states. yeah i know you don't have to worry about frame rust in Texas but the intense summer sun can damage and melt interior parts.
>>28103855>GM decided to save a few bucks by leaving those out of the plastic formulation the plasticiser chemicals that make the plastic pliable condenses from heat cycling and leeches out of the plastic, that's what the notorious "GM smell" is.
>>28103870The plasticizier you're referring to is phtalate and is used in PVC. Phtalate is not molecularly bonded to PVC and can migrate out of the plastic matrix under the right conditions but car interior parts are mostly ABS which works in an entirely different manner and isn't subject to that problem. PVC will mostly be used in things such as wire insulation.
>>28103890never put adhesive tape on electrical cords unless it's proper electrical tape, it will literally rip the phtalate right out of the PVC. it's like a magnet.
>>28103896I suppose. ABS uses butadine rubber particles for a plasticizer, these are molecularly bonded to the other components in there and not subject to migration (however there's usually other additives like dye, bromine, or UV blockers that aren't bonded and may migrate). While PVC can be completely absent of plasticizer in items such as water pipes that are meant to be completely rigid, all ABS has some butadine in it as the major component (styrene) is naturally brittle. The amount will vary from 2% to 20% depending on the desired flexibility.Cracked ABS parts in cars aren't hard to weld if you know how to do it, you can use spare ABS from something like Lego blocks (a good source of it) which can be melted with acetone to a slurry and used to to fill in the crack.
Pros:>Probably the fastest normal car out there. It's just a normal car, on an old body from 2008, the maintenance and everything about is super simple.>Iconic looks>Practical daily with usable rear seats and trunk>Good old American feel to it, superb ride comfort>RWD, manual is possible in most trims, LSD is available on any trim but the lowest>Very robust AWD asynchronous optional system with RWD bias>Parts availability and cost are well below average for the given performance level>Noise is pure bliss on any V8 trim>Independent, double-wishbone suspension design inherited from E-Class Mercs on all trimsBad:>4chan people hate it for some reason>Top trims are prone to theft>B-pillar could have been eliminated, the original prototype was like that but Dodge took a more conservative approach on the production design
>>28103890If the plasticizer migrates out of PVC it will have a gummy, tacky feel to it.
>>28092898>I'm going to pay shop rates for a coolant change.Fix your heater hose routing first.
>>28095504>you should take the secondary air crap off too.That's your heater hoses dumbass.>I just ripped that shit out of mineNo, you didn't.
>>28103890>PVC will mostly be used in things such as wire insulationI think air hoses are also PVC.
>>28104219Thats pretty far down on the list. I ended up flushing the engine, heater core and radiator myself. Once I go to replace the radiator in its entirety ill replace all the coolant hoses.
>>28104226Stop talking out your ass retard, the hoses from the heater core go to the water pump and intake manifold where this loop of hose is, because the leaking heater core is currently bypassed. I just bought a new heater core for it and will be changing it out soon. The lower port you highlighted is the secondary air outlet line that goes to the catalytic converter, which I haven't removed yet.
>>28104226>I just ripped that shit out of mine>No, you didn'tWhat the fuck do you think is all this shit I removed is then?
>>28104302Hope ya don't live in California or you're fucked next biennial emissions test day (mandatory for all cars made in 1974 and later)
>>28104307It's exempt from emissions testing in my state due to being over 25 years old, is on antique plates, and my county also doesn't even do emissions tests to begin with.
>>28103855Also. Third Gens are from the era when smoking was a lot more common than today. Cig smoke damages car interiors, it corrodes anything it touches.
>>28104219>>28104299that's not wrong.3rd gens don't have a hose coming off the water pump.that guy's car probably just overheated.coolant flush should do the trick.assuming it's not something like a head gasket leak usually it's the stupid fan not turning in when it should.
>>28103990This should be its own thread
>>28102604cross drilled crank and different main caps used the gn turbo with gnx intercooler
>>28104421It was both. The radiator fan still doesnt turn, but ive got a new aluminum radiator in the mail, the condition of the stock radiator looked pretty bad when I was flushing it out.New one has better fans and better shrouds for the fans too.
>>28104448I hope you didn't buy those eBay rad and fan combos for $250.
for me its the milfvette>>28080366was my dream car for so many years along with the c5 and c6 c7 looked a bit mehc8 looks meh but has the performance to back it up
>>28090967>. Problem is, is that i cant get it within a mile of my house as the roads are that bad.you where saying?
>>28104421They made these things for 10 years and mine is one of the earliest. My radiator does not have a heater hose outlet, it's entirely plausible his 90s RS from the tail end of production that also has a different RPO engine changed things around. If you look at water pumps on Rockauto for them, some do come with that plug.
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>>28104462I did.
>>28104505the aluminum rads are fine as 99% of them are all China stuff.the fans however are worse than a stock.I've dealt with those fans before on friends cars.they are horrible.do yourself a favor and get a used set of 98-02 Camaro LS1 fans.they are the GOAT in cheap cooling.a few cuts and they fit a 82-92 Camaro easy.
>>28080102add this to cons>worse front suspension geometry than previous gen>>28084659call up enhanced street performance in sterling, ma and ask them how much power they've put through T5 transmissions>>28087405not that one specifically, but a third gen did do that.
>>28087428Yeah, fucking 1.2l yuro povertyboxes
>>28104658I need to go through my manual and see how the rad fan circuit is supposed to be, the circuit isnt run to anywhere and there isnt anything obvious in the bay about where its supposed to be laid down.
>>28104764depends on the engine.TPI have the fan relay trigger wire connected to the ECU.TBI cars have a sensor in the passenger side head/block area.I have a video replacing the fan switch probe.it's not hard, especially when the coolant needs to be drained anyways.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yG8YURrICuU
>>28104855Thats pretty easy then, ive got a tbi 305. Well, as long as the switch wants to come our of the block.
Can't find an HVAC vacuum control switch anywhere new or used for it short of buying an entire HVAC control deck off ebay which might be broken too, anyone have an idea where I could get one of these?
>>28080137Corpos have always traded the dollar made tomorrow for the dime made today.>t. only buys foreign shitboxes
>>28105368Any reason why you couldnt use another GM model and just cap off the vacuum lines you arent using?
>>28107165It's gotta fit just right inside the HVAC control deck so the mode lever's slider interfaces with the nub on the front and turns the dial to redirect the vacuum. I found one for a C3 Corvette but it bolts to its control deck completely differently.
Any TPI guys handy? My birds been sitting, and this relay failed and let the fuel pump prime until battery death and left a little puddle of fuel under the engine.Where did the fuel come from? Id want to know about it now and fix it, instead of when the car is on the shoulder in flames.I havent found any shorts on that circuit, and it wont do it with a known good relay.>inb4 change the relay>inb4 change the oil and filterI know this already, ask my gran about the egg sucking world record.
>>28107351Id check all your fuel line connections. Even if the pump ran till your battery died it should have just circulated the fuel back to the tank.
>>28107362This is true, ive got a mind to put the battery on a dumb charger, then hook up the shitty relay then wait and watch. My first guess would be the fpr, i hear those can crap out and cause the puddling problem
>>28107893Thats certainly one way to identify the issue lmao
>>28104727>>worse front suspension geometry than previous gen not correct.1st and 2nd gen F bodies had double wishbone front suspension, but the geometry was fucked on those cars.those had Positive camber gain on suspension compression.also had shit scrub radius. 92-02 F-body cars had way better double wishbone fronts if you wanna make that argument.
>>28103936ABS plastic is a normally durable, stable material at temperatures up to 213F provided it's kept out of direct outdoor sun and chemicals that react with it. Assuming it's made properly; fucking up the plastic mix at the factory can and does happen sometimes and leads to unwelcome results.
I love how they look. Would own one if I didn't already have an old Mustang. Tbh, I wish I would've bought one if I could get a 350 with a T5 manual. That was the only reason I opted for the Mustang. Now I feel like the Mustang is too old and shitty.
Why does everyone make it out like third gen heater cores are the worst job in the world? I had this shit out in half an hour.
>>28111069Idk. How did you determine it was bad?Was it leaking or not heating anymore?
>>28111122It puked coolant onto the carpet in the 90s and had been bypassed by its previous owner (my dad) until now when I've gotten ahold of the car.
Is it possible to get any power out of the 305, or is it irredeemable and should be thrown into the trash?
>>28111567Sure there is. But most people would never bother because it just doesnt make sense, dollar for dollar youre getting more power out of a 350.
>>28111601Basically what I was gonna write. You could do a cam, intake manifold, and heads to a 305 and make some more power, but for the extra $400 of grabbing an early-mid GMT400 roller cam 350 and bolting it straight up, you could do all the same work to it and not just have proportionally more horsepower, but also make more torque at all engine RPMs (especially down low) which makes for a much more fun to drive car!
Can you retrofit 4th gen front suspension into 3rd gen?
>>28112375Not without major cutting and welding.
>>28112375Not without a ton of fab. Youd be better off with buying race parts for the front end tbqhf.
