>"Journalists always tell me that you should make a sedan, but the marketplace is so small. So if ... the people start to buy that kind of vehicle, then that will let us make that vehicle," Shibata said to Drive.Most enthusiasts who can afford new cars will have a fun weekend or Summer coupe and a CuckUV
>>28100933I would buy one if it had a hatch back instead of a trunk and it cost 40k or less.Basically I like what they're doing with CX-60 and 80 but why does it have to be a fuckhueg SUV when it has same amount of space inside like a smaller car and no offroad capability?
>>2810094840k is a top trim fwd Jap sedan
>buys second hand >bitches about death of sedans
>>28100933it's not that no one buys sedans, I still see plentiful in my big city. It's just that most people won't buy a rwd sedans because they don't give a fuck about whether their car is fwd or rwd
>>28100957>cars for 20+ years have been dogshit designed for women>well there only dogshit because you didnt buy them new!!!!
>>28100965It's your fault.
>>28100968didnt read
>>28100948That's a station wagon anon you're asking for a station wagon.
China still buys sedans but their market is biased towards EVs now
>>28100933It's because white people are the only market for sedans and nu-cars aren't appealing to whites.
>>28100973That would be fine too. They discontinued the 6 at least here. >>28100953CX-60 is north of 50k here, maybe even 60 idk. The drivetrain would make this new sedan at least 40k.
>>28100971Zoomzoom
>>28100973No, he wants a Kia Stinger
>sedanretards, people want coupes that aint tiny nor powered by subaru and dont cost 70k.make it happen and you will make bank
mazda 3 coupe with rwd and inline 6.like picrel but 2 door
>>28101003You mean a mustang, Camaro, Challenger? They don't actually sell that many of them.
>>28100933What sedans? They're already all gone.
>make sedan with idiotic fastback roofline and zero headroom>fuck huge pillars>cramped interior>why you no buy?
Nobody can tell the difference between a modern bloated tumour sedan and SUV so they just get the SUV
Which is it:>People generally buy what’s available on the dealers lot. Manufacturers mostly supply more expensive, higher end vehicles with higher profit margins (such as SUV’s). Most people don’t search within a few hundred miles, even though the internet is ubiquitous.-or->People want larger, more expensive vehicles. The availability of smaller cars is just reflective of consumer demand. If more people wanted smaller cars, demand would drive availability.Go to any Ford lot and it’s wall to wall Broncos for $60k and F150’s for $50k.
Alfa Romeo tried to compete with the BMW 3er and made a sedan that is the size of a BMW 3er, but costs more, has shittier technology, Italian reliability and the prestige that comes from decades of making FWD shitboxes.
>>28100977Whites drive lifted trucks, not sedans lmao. >>28101229And everything you said applies to crossovers, and people buy those >>28101003This. Sedans are a stupid impractical compromise compared to having a crossover and sports coupe.
>>28101208No, I don’t mean landyachts. I’m talking about a slightly upscaled yet fairly light BRZ with an inline6
>>28101380Define "light" for a car with an inline 6.
>>28101380You said not tiny. A BRZ is tiny.
Does this even exist anymore?>N/A engine that runs on REGULAR>stick shift>four doors
>>28100933I refuse to drive cuckovers just because everybody else have a shit taste
>>28101333The giulia slapped the 3 so hard on launch that BMW only caught up with this newest platformBut Alfa did fuck up with their refusal to implement more optional luxury features and better cameras. The facelift was when I knew the brand was going to die in the US, they addressed 0 current owner suggestions and just slapped in a screen cluster for the hell of it
>>28101481>The facelift was when I knew the brand was going to die in the USThey're definitely not going to make another Giulia after this one anywhere. They're barely trying to compete with the Germans and the only hand they have to play is trying to cut the price. And even that only seems to be happening in their home market, where the non-promotional pricing would make it more expensive than a BMW.
If RWD would be natural, horses would push carts, not pull them.If 6 cylinders would be optimal, horses would have 6 legs, not four.
>wagon for family hauling>coupe for fun and personal carFeels good
>>28101376>Whites drive lifted trucks, not sedans lmao.I don't consider wiggers white
>>28101524>food analogy
>>28100981pooinloo
>>28100933>price out anyone except dumbasses with money>be surprised when your sedan doesn't sellIt's dumb for me to buy a 60k sedan new when I can just buy used.
>>28101393Under 3000lbs
>>28101591>well there onlyhello sir
>>28101599Here's your 3000 lbs car with an inline 6
>>28101450I said upscaled BRZ. Like a Mazda 3 but coupe
>>28101726A mazda 3 weighs around 3,200lbs and has a 4 cylinder.
>>28101393The 90s z3 had an inline 6. >>28101452>>28101452Yes, Honda Civic, ever heard of them lol? They're 2.0, despite being messed with, still seems like a fantastic engine.
>>28100965>Isn't not an influence on the market >Gets mad the other people influence the market
>>28100933I don't get it. Chinese will buy Sedans. When I was there it was literally exclusively Sedans and SUVs.
>>28101621you dont need to back that far dude
>>28100933I mean why would I ever buy a Sedan?SUVs have more room, and if I want a fun car I'd get a fun sports car. A sedan is just the worst of both world.
>>28100933>Nobody Buys SedansSedans that sell well:1. Tesla Model 32. Honda Accord3. Toyota Camry4. Honda Civic5. Chevy MalibuThe fact is that people still buy sedans. The problem is that companies are actively making them worse. They don't want you to buy sedans, then they can say "see, no one wants sedans, we're just gonna sell crossovers for $5k-$10k more money with the same features and worse performance"It's all a scam. If automakers still made good sedans, people would buy them en masse. Even the Ford Fusion was still selling well before they just killed it. >>28100961>It's just that most people won't buy a rwd sedans because they don't give a fuck about whether their car is fwd or rwdPeople have no problem with RWD - electric vehicles have proven this as most of the base models are RWD only
>>28101975>People have no problem with RWD - electric vehicles have proven this as most of the base models are RWD onlyhis point is people dont really care either way, normal sedans being fwd decreases complexity. EVs don't really matter
>>28101960If people actually wanted that, Z4 wouldn't be getting axed next year
>>28100933I will never understand why you fags give a shit about FWD sedans vs crossover. They both suck
GIVE US THE MAZDA 6 WAGON YOU COWARDS
>>28102074It outsells the XM
>>28100996I will never not feel white hot rage at kia killing it off.
>>28100977You couldn't be more wrong. In fact I don't think you even thought about this for half a second before you typed it out. Who are the people buying chargers, malibu's, altimas, and the Chrysler 300?Niggers LOVE 4 doors.
>>28101452Ford Focus, I think they're only making them for Europe anymore. That little 2.0L Duratech lasts forever. Think Mazda uses the same engine. FWD though if you're looking for RWD.
>>28100933>Nobody Buys SedansI bought a new sedans. Maybe instead of bemoaning the death of sedans you can go outside and buy one too>hurr durr me no like new carspoorfag cope
>>28101452uhhhhhgen3 tacoma? Which no longer counts if we're talking new only.Plain ol' civic.I forget if the Mazda 3 Premium stuck you with the turbo. But I hate the bulb ass on the 3.Subaru and Toyota dropped the stick on their plain entry level sedan/hatches.
>>28101452Mazda3 hatchback
>>28102116The only car I would buy new, too bad it would only be about 5 of us in the US that want them.
>>28102477new mazdas on my country are no longer being sold as manual, they're all auto (except the 2)
>>28101993>normal sedans being fwd decreases complexity.it increases complexity and makes cars much more difficult to work on. The only reason manufacturers switched to front wheel drive is that they save on total cost because they don't have a long driveshaft and because due to the reduced weight, the vehicle tends to do better than an rwd equivalent on fuel consumption. That's it
>>28101376>implying cuckovers are any more practical than a sedan
>>28101965>SUVs have more roomand you troglodytes wonder why nucars are all shit. they dont have more room you dumb nigger. theyre all literally just slightly lifted sedans and hatckbacks.
>>28101376>Whites drive lifted trucksIf a mixed race mystery meat that idolize nigger culture counts as white then maybe.>>28102381Maybe in Niggerville, TX.In white countries only immigrants, women and trashy rednecks buy "S"UV's or oversized pickup trucks, white men buy something like picrel.
>>28101736damn that’s lighter than the competition
>>28102737more head room you dumb retard
>>28102845>If a mixed race mystery meatIts your people, whiteoid
>>28103651for what? your gay zoomer haircut?
>>28102419This
>>28103782For non-manlets
>>28100933Lmfao what the fuck is this shit?
>>281063782017 Mazda Vision Concept
>>28102845I drove a Skoda Superb through Switzerland for two weeks recently and really enjoyed it. The diesel got excellent fuel economy, but would have benefited from a touch more power. Still it was pretty fun. I still enjoy by '17 Fusion Titanium (shoulda sprung for the sport v6, but alas) and there are just not any tantalizing replacements out right now. Maybe if the Lucid Pure drops in price enough...
>>28100933This is the pill /o/ doesn't want to swallow. For the normie buyer (i.e. 90% of the people buying new cars) an SUV is simply better than a sedan in pretty much every respect. >muh driving dynamicsThey do not care how it drives as long as it gets them and their cargo from point A to point B with good mpg and without breaking too often.
>>28100965>>cars for 20+ years have been dogshit designed for womenevery manufacturer on Earth collectively lost their minds in the 00s and launched crazy, innovative, poweful cars. They also lost billions because nearly all of them flopped hard. That's why they also all sobered up and focused on building shit that sells.
>>28106674japs did that in the 80s and 90s, then when their bubble economy popped and the manufacturers no longer had bottomless pits of R&D money they had to start cost cutting
>>28100933Sedan's are in roughly the same place that coupes were in 2000. There's a couple of new sedans available (Australia) from some companies (KIA, Hyundai, Mazda, Toyota, BMW, Lexus and Merc) but they've low volume sales. Vast majority of the small-car and hatch thee days is sort of more like a small SUV, but by far the most models are various sizes of SUV. After that is the twin-cab ute which is in plague proportions despite being all the worst parts of half a sedan and half a ute.Small numbers of actual 4WD's meant to go offroad are still around and sell well but tend to cost more, there's about 5-6 new coupes available which sell in negligible amounts
