Why hasn't /o/? Is it just dogma? Are the poorfags here doomed to forever throw money at lightweight econoboxes from 20 years ago, only to get gapped by 4k+ lb M cars, mustangs and SUVs?
The GTR when optioned is over 4k lbs and a track monster, been that way for over a decade but some engineeringlette tards never learn.
I've already had a 170+ mph beast running 1.4 bar of boost and been in way too many street races. I've gotten the letter from insurance saying they'd drop me if I got another ticket.Now, years later, I appreciate light cars that feel tight and good to drive under 100 mph, especially those that can kick the rear out. Nothin' wrong with that.
>>28103669Can it really be called bait if it's just the truth?
>>28103659I mean if it's a dick measuring contest a cobra roadster with a V8 has both the displacement and lightweight.
>there's also a replacement for being lightweight
>>28103659>swaps your shitbarge's wheels, brakes and engine into a smaller chassis with a better suspension and weight distribution>gapes your asshole on the tracknothin' personnelle
800 hp. 3500 lbsVS400 hp. 2200 lbs
>>28103684Sure, but not a huge amount of horsepower. If it made, say, 700hp, would need beefier trans and drive train and frame, and bigger wheels to put that power down, and then you need more brakes to stop all of that, and at some point adding a heavy AWD system will be required to launch at all. This has been the factors causing increased weight with the hunt for increased performance.
>>28103669Oh, anon, this post aged poorly and its only been 10 minutes.
>>28103707Well, shit. I am big enough to admit when I am wrong.
>>28103674>>28103677>>28103679>>28103684>>28103689>>28103696>>28103702>>28103704>>28103707>>28103710why did you reply to your own thread?
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>>28103723These two are mine, but you can keep it up with schozoposting rather than refuting the arguments. Y'know, if it makes you feel better, sweetie.
>>28103702I would take the 3500lb car. That's a 1300lb difference. After taking out about 600lbs for the bigger powertrain, that's still 700lbs to use towards big wheels, brakes and chassis rigidity. No brainer.
What do you think happens when you put big tires and big power in a light car
>>28103763>big wheels, brakesBigger wheels and big brakes do almost nothing for performance. Can you lock your brakes with ABS off? They're powerful enough then.Tires would make more of a difference.
>>28103775>when you put big tires and big power in a light carYou will have increased the weight of the car. >but I didn't add much weight and just changed wheelsThen you have a car that doesn't have the chassis to handle that power without massive torquesteer and also lacks the drive train components to reliable handle that power. Maybe that's fine for you, but an OEM is not going to put something like that on market.
>my fat slow comfy hatchback on 20 year old tyres is quicker than le epin handling godmachine
>>28103783>Bigger wheelsBigger tires are implied here>>28103783>big brakes do almost nothing for performanceYou are right, Porsche should just save weight by having tiny 8" disc's instead of those massive rotors they have on there, silly them :^)
>>28103794forgot pic
>>28103783>Bigger wheels and big brakes do almost nothing for performance.>Can you lock your brakes with ABS off? They're powerful enough then.
>>28103795>Porsche should just save weight by having tiny 8" disc's instead of those massive rotors they have on there, silly them :^)Yes. Those brakes only improve heat dissipation which isn't a factor at all unless you're running hours on a track. I used to have 6-piston brembos, they're cool but seriously if your brakes can lock the wheels with ABS off they're strong enough. Bigger stronger brakes don't make any difference when the small OEM ones can apply enough force to lock the wheels.
>>28103807>yes there is a reason why every OEM uses larger brakes for performance vehicles>but no, there is no reason they do it and let me spout off some middle school physics for you
telsa ends this argument
>>28103659It's not a replacement because you can have bothIf you put turbos on a big engine, it'll make more power than a smaller engine with turbosIf you put better brakes and tires on a light car, it'll handle and brake better than heavier car with the same brakes and tires
>>28103834This desu. It's just tiresome being smart.
>>281036594klbs cars with big brakes still boil the fluid in 20 minutes on the track retard
>>28103819The reason is heat dissipation, which isn't even a minor factor on the street.It's the equivalent of wearing an expensive watch unless you track it really hard. Adding big brakes to a car won't change anything even if you're running hard on the street. I used to have 6-pot brembos, but I'm not going to pretend they were necessary. I'm sorry this offends you.
>>28103846Let the retards buy muh dick big brake kits instead of better pads and rotors.
>>28103824tesla is too busy overheating
>>28103834Genius, call BMW and tell them that their new M3 is actually slower around a track than the e46 despite weighing 400lbs more, they can just ignore the lap times and engineers and just listen to some poorfag on a basketweaving forum.
>>28103871Call BMW and tell them it was pointless making M3 CS lighter than a standard M3
>>28103882The advantage the CS has is the better tires and tuning, you are deluding yourself if you think the 100lbs they remove is doing much other than marketing. I guess it worked, they got you.
My Chally is now a lightweight sports vehicle.Thanks Bismillah Motoren Werke for pushing the fat shaming barrier to 5k+ lbs.
>>28103929>hurr you retarded because you don't know better than engineers>but i definitely know better than the engineers!
>>28103871Actually I have spoken with the M3 development team and they still believe the E46 is the pinnacle generation and every generation after they tried their best to make it drive like a E46 M3
>>28103871That's nowhere near of what I said, are you illiterate, intentionally acting retarded, an ESL or a bot?
>>28103967Ya, my dad works at Nintendo too
>>28104212Tell him to stop killing emulators
Forced induction is used to increase displacement.
>>28103728>>28103751why did you reply to me twice OP?
>>28104212Not him, but I'd believe it because there's bound to be guys thinking that there I talked to a some of the development guys (not the M but the 3 series in general) and a lot of them think the 3series peaked with the e30 for example t. worked for bmw ages ago
>>28104568>fits more air into the same space than atmospheric pressure wouldWell yeah kinda.
>>28103659I guess that makes sense, from a practical engineering perspective
>>28103659>no mention of the giganigga tyres The real reason you can make any car grip nowadays
>>28104936Anon, stop doing kike pilpuls, you have no argument against the OP, you are just sitting up the thread.
>>28103797>HHR SS beats both of them
>>28103940 This, challenger is relatively lightweight now
>>28103659Because they're poor and don't want to admit there's cars they can't afford better than their jap shitbox.
>>28103783Your not wrong about the brakes in 99% of conditions, but the brainlets on this board won't understand that. The only reason to go to bigger brakes is for racing conditions so the rotors can tolerate heat build up longer.
>>28105104i kneeltbf my fat hatchback is the same weight and 40bhp down on the hhr godmachine
>>28103824Like racing forklifts or those goofy tugs they move light aircraft and luggage around the tarmac, they're no fun especially if ya didn't build it yourself
>>28103783more clamping strength = stronger brakingyou do not own tools
>>28105679Buuut, if you already have enough clamping strength to lock up the wheels, any added force won't help you brake faster because the force limit that locks up the tires is still the same and the stock brakes were already over said limit.I've got so many goddamn tools, I've got workbenches and counters just with mountains of unorganized tools on them, I've got 4-5 tool cabinets (picrel I bought of a retiring mechanic for like $50 with all the tools), a 60gal compressor, table saws, a shitty lathe, more than you probably.
>>28103940>lightweight sports vehicle.laughs in 1200lbs of caterham 7
>>28105041>had 245s>downgraded to 235 and 225sstill grip fine roads are for choads
>>28105965That's neat but you would rather a veyron, which weighs 4k lbs.
>>281061194000lbs is nothing my 300hp shitboxes weigh that much
>>28105966Way to out yourself as a horsepowerlette
>>28103797>>28105104how?? how do you make cars slower than this trash???
>>28105679if the wheels lock up you've exceeded their maximum grip and won't stop any soonerwider tyres help you stop quicker, bigger brakes help you do it for longer
>>28103940It weighs 1000lbs less but could only manage an extra 80hp?
This is why small sports cars have either died out or been stagnant in performance for the past 30 years (improvements to tire tech notwithstanding). Everything that got faster had to get heavier to do it
>>28106337i thought it was the ever increasingly restrictive safety and emissions standards.need to have ten million airbags inside resulting in pigfat pillars and increased weight. some retard walked in front of you without even looking? gotta make sure he can continue being retarded, your hood needs enough clearance and/or a pedestrian protection system so that tard doesn't get hurt by the pointy and/or hard bits underneath.
>>28103659>big wheelsHow does it work?
>>28103783>what is fade and thermal mass
>>28106270idk, ask toyota
The peoples champion.
>>28106741with large diameter tires the contact patch has more time to cool, this allows softer compounds to be used without them melting away.
>>28106794*the poor people's champion
>>28103659>file name Based and moparpilled
>>28103846>The reason is heat dissipation>Adding big brakes to a car won't change anythingShow me a car with 11" rotors or smaller than can come near a Dark Horse 60-0mph, which is 86ft.
>>28107974Probably tied for my favorite mopar on here with that red jailbreak
>>28107976>Show me a car with 11" rotors or smaller than can come near a Dark Horse 60-0mph, which is 86ft.Too many variables. Like the brake booster pressure differential and tires. If you're going to test for something you can only change one thing. I stand by what I said, if you can lock up the tires then your brakes are strong enough for even the hardest street driving and bigger brakes wouldn't make a difference. Maybe you all just drive pigfat autos and rely on brakes too much. There's no reason for a big brake kit unless you genuinely experience brake fade. I've run plenty of 2 hour long runs on tracks with vatozone brake pads and have never once felt brake fade IRL. Tires make the biggest difference.
>>28107993Thank you fren
>retardsThe thread.
>>28105965Put a Honda F20C in those bad boys and you’ve got one of the purest sports cars ever created.
>>28106270>5 Second quarter capable block>TrashIt’s like retards in this thread don’t know a fucking thing about cars.
>>28108096>no argument>just seetheI accept your concession
>>28108108Welcome to /o/
>>28108108>the hundred thousand dollars you could spend on this car means its not trash when it rolled off the assembly line
>>28106119>you would rather a veyronFuck noI'd rather smash 100 Caterhams while racing for that money
>>28103723Yes anon, sorry anon
>>28110450>comes back days later to edit a screenshotAnon, you are actually retarded
>>28110459>edit a screenshot4chanx
