>just soak the timing belt in oil bro>don't worry it can handle the extreme stress no problem bro>it will totally not disintegrate and clog the oil pre-filter bro>replacing it will cost 1.5k browho came up with this incredibly retarded idea?
>>28104165Diversity hires and jews
>>28104165I guarantee a significant number of indians were involved in the decision making process that led to the ecoboost series of 'engines'.It's how they operate, do a shit job on purpose and move on before the consequences catch up to them.
>>28104165Let me guess' it is also a non interference engine so it will eat the valves once the belt snaps?
Ford already tried it with the 1.8tdci engines, they were originally chain from cams to fuel pump and another chain from fuel pump to crank, they switched out the pump to crank chain with a oil covered belt for some reason and the failures began.This was years before they made the engine with a whole oil covered belt, so its not like they didn't know it would happen.
>>28104165>it will totally not disintegrate and clog the oil pre-filter broit will not if you use the EXACT oil specified by the manufacturer. most of wet belt disintegrations are caused by morons trying to save a buck on their oil changes.
Ford moment
>>28104256>it will not if you use the EXACT oil specified by the manufacturerWhich turns out to not even be commercially available in america.
>>28104165>incredibly retarded ideaFord, mainly.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SASSFjIt5I
>>28104165Why can't those fucks at least make it easier to replace since they knew it was a service item?
>>28104199Don't forget the Coyote 5.0 in the F150 has a belt driven oil pump submerged in oil.
>>28104604>take regular shitbox to the track>oh wtf it overheated!!!!yeah no shit
>>28104202You have that backwardsnon-interference engines don't give a fuck, they only stop working
>>28104165my car's manual:>DO NOT alllow the belt to come into contact with water, coolant, or oil.Ferd be like:
>>28104165>who came up with this incredibly retarded idea?let me guess... you own a 1.2 puretech engine and got fucked over.am i right?if yes, you 100% deserve it
Lets try plastic cam pulleys and remember NO KEYWAYS.
>>28105038this is just sad
>>28105038>no keyed gearswhat's the thought process behind this? money saving? that's the most stupid way to save a buck
>>28105038How do they rotate the shafts or stay timed without keyways?
>>28105045Its hard to say, especially with the crankshaft. You could argue its so the cam pulleys move a bit while the belt is tensioned, so they move and cam doesn't.>>28105048They are clamped on by the bolt, you have to make sure all clamping surfaces are degreased before tightening. The crank has an extra deep balancer that takes up the extra space iirc.Its probably so they can sell you a timing kit to pin the cams and crank in place while you put the belt on.
>>28105038>”buy American bro”
Remember the briefing: NO KEYWAYS.
>>28105038>we finally made our cologne engine reliable>what shall we do now?
>>28105244kek
>>28105244what's exactly wrong with these?
>>28105367they just go bad
>>28105244>*crumbles to dust in your path*
>>28105045probably saves money during manufacturing and they get to sell timing tool kits. for MBAs that run companies in this day and age it seems like there are only pros and no cons for such a design.
>>28105045it allows for a more precise alignment of everything
>>28106320>it allows for a more precise alignment of everythingNot without special tools
>>28105244>cologne>not reliablekys
>>28104165While we're on the topic, anyone wanna give me a quick rundown on why that Ford powershift transmission was such shit
>>28106420>ford
>>28104202You mean an interference engine?
>>28105038This is that wemb with sound, because those pulleys be goosin'https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1731843099556924.webm
>>28105038Is that the 2005+ duratec?
>>28105367It's a 20 dollar part that ends out in a 1000 dollar service
>>28106793I think it was a zetec, but I may be mistaken, it was a few years ago.
>>28104165In the perfect scenario those things KINDA work. But you gotta have a very specific oil made by Ford that doesn't react with the belt, change it at half the suggested interval and replace the belt and oil pump every 150k Km or so, even though they're supposed to last up to 240k Km. If you fail to do ANY of these things, you're fucked. This applies to any manufacturer that uses this retarded system
>>28104917What year did they start doing this? I thought the coyote was the last remaining Ford engine that's somewhat reliable.
>>28106420early-type DCT with the regular ford autism.They were just as bad as other DCT's of the time, but unlike others, they were never updated to solve the shortcomings. Ford still insists that they need service every 40k miles or so, while in reality it's known that they need an oil change every 20k.Similar story with their engines, early 2.0 ecoboosts had an oil change interval of 10k miles despite the fact that it needed changing every 3k.tl;drford is retarded when it comes to service schedules
Just run the cams with their own little electric motors. Then you can do whatever you want with them timing-wise. No belts to snap or chains to stretch. Simple as.
>>28104165>soak the timing belt in oil brotrust the scienceeven without the oil exposure the belt only lasts 36000 miles
>>28104165It appears my superiority has caused some controversy
>>28105657>>28105660what should they be made of instead then?
>>28108423I wonder why car makers are allergic to the gear cascade
>>28105038>>28105242Renault K- and F-series blocks also have fully floating timing setups, along with:>cast alu oil pan that bolts to the bellhousing>oil filter directly on the side of the block, surrounded by coolant pipes and accessory mounting brackets>tiny oil dipstick all the way down in the oil pan, unless you get a very specific version with a long dipstick tube or a later block casting that's completely incompatible with the older gearboxes>valve cover also doubles as the cam caps>valve cover and oil pan have no gaskets so when they inevitably start leaking they expect you to just RTV the fuckers shut until it happens again>plastic thermostat on newer versions that also connects to oil passages in the head for some reason so when it warps you're greeted with a chocolate milkshake upon your next oil change
>>281063742.9s cracked heads to the point where ford revised the casting and eventually bored it out to make the 4.0. Even still the heads(among other things) were revised right up until the 98TM casting which was just before EOL for the pushrod motor production unfortunately.>>28108437They should have kept developing the pushrod design IMO they're still viable as GM still churns out Vortecs. They put in a ton of work to convert the engine and more to iron out it's new issues only for them to scrap the engine entirely.
>>28108790Its more expensive. High end engines have shit like that. The Cosworth V12 in the GMA T50 is one.
>>28108423250/300? Looks just like my flathead v8's cam gear.
>>28104917I almost forgot about that gonna see a lot of blown up 5.0 f150 in a few years >>28104946Ford was advertising the base model of GT350 as a track capable vehicle.but the base 350 didn't have a oil cooler, diff, or transmission cooler.so they 40% themselves on track
>>281073032021 and up.
>>28105038>have to pull key out of ignition just to open bonneti hate this shit so fucking much, they should be shot for that alone
>>28108423>>28108790Noise. It's why OEMs switched to timing by chain to begin with, it's the same reason Ford put a phenolic timing gear in the 300s instead of a steel on that wouldn't need to be replaced.
>>28104622You are assuming that a corporation is this rational entity that makes optimal decisions, except in reality it's a dysfunctional group of people that can barely communicate within their fucked up hierarchy of favoritism, power dynamics, shitty management, etc. It's amazing that anything gets done correctly.
>>28108825The F4R in the Clio Sports is where my experience comes from here but..>Oil filter is easy enough to get to>So is dipstick but there's a level indicator in the computer anway>Cam caps aren't part of the valve cover>Both sump and valve cover have rubber gaskets>Plastic thermo housing is retarded but then so is buying newer versions in the first placeFloating pulleys make for more accurate cam timing which helps economy and performance, they're not difficult to time unless you're a retard that can't read instructions
>>28112111>>Cam caps aren't part of the valve cover>>Both sump and valve cover have rubber gasketsYou sure about these? I'll admit I was wrong about the oil pan not having a gasket, but the cam bearings look pretty fuckin integrated into the cover to me and he's not using a gasket to close it back up either:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiQgqaMtcNMNot saying they're bad engines, mind you. Just funny that they did absolutely none of this on the D-series, which has a nice long dipstick, the oil filter hanging down behind the block so it's easy to pre-fill, individual cam caps, and keyed pulleys on both the crank and cam.
>>28112175Oh shit yeah you're right, the gasket set I got had one that looked like it was for the cover but there were no leaks so I left it alone.The real crime with 172/182 version is that retarded aux belt tensioner. Everyone says it's the aux belt that fails and leads to catastrophic failure but it's the tensioner at fault most of the time. >The pivot bolt starts seizing >Revving the engine causes the tensioner to pivot in but then not return properly due to the seized pivot bolt>Belt runs loose for a short amount of time before coming off and wrapping round the crank pulley>Game overI was lucky and caught mine just in time as I heard the belt squeal off the PS pump whilst I was parking. At least they redesigned it in a sane way for the 197/200
>>28109807>didn't have a transmission cooler.Holy shit fucking toyota corollas have a transmission cooler, lmao
>>28105045>what's the thought process behind this? money saving? that's the most stupid way to save a buckit's because the new generation of midwit millenial/DEI engineers think they're smarter than every previous generation, so they're throwing out hundreds of years of hard fought engineering discoveries to stoke their egos.
>>28112280Doesn't help that the 172/182 run an absolute shitload of accessories off the aux belt. Water pump, power steering, alternator, AC, all part of the aux belt setup.On the D-series, K-series and later F-series the water pump is ran off the timing belt instead and I think they switched to electric power steering on most models by then too.By comparison mk1 Twingos with no AC just have a little belt running to the alternator, which is also its own tensioner.
>>28106320If you just machine your keyway correctly you get the same/better alignment.Also that is a moot point. You have engines turning 14 grand with keyway alignment.Fucking S2000 and so on have keyway alignment on cam and crank. You telling me some 4,000 rpm diesel eurobox noticably benefits from non-keyway crank and cam sprockets and an oil soaked belt? Get fords dick out of your mouth ans stop defending the offenders
>>28112283>Holy shit fucking toyota corollas have a transmission cooler, lmaoWere you just born? All automatics have a transmission cooler. Most are in the base of the radiator.
>>28112324>Most are in the base of the radiatorAlso know as the transmission heater.
>>28110064I forgot about the keys, we used a get a surprising amount of chavved up focus' in because they had changed the grill but pulled the bonnet release lock thingamy too far while swapping the grill out disengaging it internally, they didn't realise until they needed to get the bonnet open again.Also these stupid stacked hub nuts, and those swelling up chrome capped wheel nuts, and stretchy accessory belts so they didn't need a tensioner. so many bad ideas for 1 car company to make.
