Who wants to? You have to disassemble half the car just to do nearly anything.

>>28105567
and have special dealership level tools to accomplish certain things.

>>28105566
Maybe if Advance didn't charge 3x what ebay and Rockauto does, people would still shop there.

>>28105566
This is partially why I laugh at people who are resistant to EV tech.
The new generation has zero work ethic.

OEM or nothing

>>28105566
The people who fix their cars don't buy the overpriced Chinese dogshit parts that big box stores are selling, they just buy their parts online from reputable suppliers. Advance auto and the like are only good for dumping used oil/coolant/brake fluid, tool rentals and emergency repairs, anything else and it's just not worth it. Fcp euro ships me oem parts with lifetime warranties and they come within 1 to 2 days. There is no way for advance auto to compete with that. These stores need to charge more than online to pay employees and keep the lights on, but it makes no financial sense for me to go to them 99% of the time.

>>28105588
This is partially true.

Those parts stores do a ton of business with shops which should keep lots of them afloat. I think those stores made their bread and butter selling batteries to normies though, and what do you do when a BMW needs a dealer level scan tool to replace the battery? And all of the rest of the consumables and parts, Amazon Prime is hitting the auto parts stores just as bad as every other brick & mortar store.

I wish more politicians were fighting for “Right to repair” because that issue is only going to get worse as everything goes digital. What do you do when your washing machine becomes an oversized brick because there was some corruption in the software?

>go to auto parts store for battery
$200
>go to Sam's / Costco
$150

>go to auto parts store for sand paper
$20
>go to walmart
$7.99

>go to auto parts store for windshield wipers
>$50
>go to Amazon
>$32.99

Only time I go is when I need it quick and other nearby stores don't have it.

>>28105567
True enough. Thanks car makers!

>>28105566
>make cars impossible to work on
>"woah guys why are all the autoparts stores closing???"
I will never own anything made after the turn of the century.

>>28105588
shops like rockauto don't have traditional storefronts so their overhead is cheaper, and thankfully for us they pass these savings on to us in the form of cheaper prices.
>>28105866
>>28105891
yeah i always figured parts store was for when you need something yesterday. showed a mate of mine rockauto and he was blown away at how much he saved even with an ocean in the way.

>>28105875
>What do you do when your washing machine becomes an oversized brick because there was some corruption in the software?
Buy another as intended, of course.
Do you really need a scanner to change BMW batteries?

>>28106043
>Do you really need a scanner to change BMW batteries?
Yes. the battery is managed quite differently as it ages. Some ford vehicles also require the battery to be programmed, though I think it extends as far as telling the vehicle "this is a new battery".
Does any of this extend battery life beyond a well manufactured battery to begin with? Not really.
t. just changed an 11 year old battery on my dad's 9th gen civic. It was the oem battery, made by Johnson Controls.

>>28105566
I just buy from Rock Auto. Everyone I know from the most grizzled boomer to the freshest zoomer. Everyone I meet at meets always speaks of their love and shows off their magnet collection.

>>28106058
I was just gonna say, my Ford needs one too. Fucking sucks, because I'm getting pretty desperate for a new batt (tested it a month or so ago and it was already down to 15%) but the dealer's always booked to hell and massively overpriced, and there IS a way to do it yourself but it's janky as fuck, you have to do a weird "cheat code" of inputs and then let it sit overnight without driving after doing it or it'll fuck up and iirc it wipes all your infotainment stuff in the process. (Bluetooth pairing, radio presets, vehicle settings, etc.)

>>28105891
I still use my local NAPA, because they'll set shit in my garage for me same day if I give them a temporary code (which I can set up with my phone), and I've had the account long enough I have a great discount rate, but yeah the regular schlubs who pay full retail at parts stores are getting screwed.

I've been running the same exide battery for like 15 years. Only had to amp cook it with the welder like 3 times.

>>28106109
>Ford
Dude just download forscan and and pick up whatever $20 elm27 scanner from alixpres/fleabay and you have access to 90% of functions of dealer scan tools

>>28105567
>You have to disassemble half the car just to do nearly anything.
This, it's not worth the time or effort to fix small component if it requires half the car disassembled.

>>28105575
This is what's going to kill things, but it's far worse than that because most repairs will become too expensive to do if it's electrical related.

With the race to get cars on the Internet and become rolling smart phones, all your computer modules on CANbus are locked to your VIN for "security", and the only way to update or reflash them is to use dealer software that can cost $100+ for a 3 day subscription and a few hundred for a cheap pass through module for OBDII - USB flashing. However you are locked by VIN to software and many times used modules can't be reflashed if the VIN doesn't match the build sheet. You will be forced to buy new OEM modules and components at list price or have a broken car and of course the average for many of these components even in an econobox like a Mazda or Ford can be thousands. Sadly many if not most of the recent encryption and locking schemes remain unbroken.

>>28105875
Most mechanic shops use NAPA in my area.

>>28106030
>Running a website and fulfillment services and shipping are free.

>>28106043
Been that way since the e9X

>>28107022
Have you ever used rockauto you dumbfuck? Shipping is never free and they explain that, their prices don't have shipping baked in so they're more accurate and then you can decide which warehouses you want to order from if you want to save 10 or 20 bucks on shipping. Their site is also rudimentary as fuck in a great way and they have no customer service, that's their edge.

>>28105566
maybe if advance had any actual stock and didnt exclusively hire 60 iq crackheads we wouldn't be here

>>28105566
advance auto sucks ass. fuckem

>>28107056
didnt ask stfu poorfaggot nocars busrider bitchboy

>>28106043
you can trick it so it doesn’t notice the battery being switched out, but otherwise yeah.

>>28106109
https://youtu.be/SugzpQyeRlw?si=LEwd0Pk2OF_L0dy5
You can try this

>>28105566
That's also a bullshit story. For every Advance Auto store, there's an Autozone, a block away. Too damn many stores. The same thing is happening, right now, with pharmacies.

I can get a 6 pack of oil and a filter delivered to my door with free shipping from Amazon cheaper than Walmart. Why would I was time and money at vatozone or retard auto parts?

>>28107406
*Waste

>>28105588
Pretty much.
>Oh you want the cheapest chinese balljoints? that'll be 75$ each plus tip
meanwhile I can get good name brand ones for less than half that online.

>>28107223
>t. Retard buttblasted about being wrong

>>28107406
>vatozone

Top wew

>>28106860
Restomods are unironically going to become the best cars on the road. A 90s driveline in a 70s car is about as reliable and friendly to work on as it gets.

>>28105866
FCP Euro, BimmerWorld, Turner Motorsport, and ECS Tuning.
They don't even have RED LINE oils or HENGST filters at those brick and mortars.

>>28106763
I checked the forums and Forscan doesn't seem to work reliably for doing batts on my truck, tons of people just got errors trying to do it. I might just go to Costco, they claim they've got the equipment to do it properly, I guess it'd make sense that they'd have some kind of professional Ford OBD stuff given that the F-series are the most popular vehicles on the market and probably have near-identical battery management to my Ranger.

>>28107323
You need to reprogram the battery management for the specific battery so that won't work right on the Ford, unless maybe you get an identical OEM batt, which I don't want to do because they're trash. (At least the one for my Ranger specifically, I got 8 years out of the OE one on my Fiesta ST but Ranger batts are notorious for dying in 2-3 years.)

>>28107937
>t. tranny dick sucker
take this L faggola

>>28107978
>>28107937
>ebonics

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>>28105566
I once took used oil to an advance auto and they guided me to the back to dispose of it but left me alone back there. I had to figure out how to leave on my own. I didn't take my oil to that store again.

>>28105567
>You have to disassemble half the car just to do nearly anything.
I learned how to fix things on old laptops, so a car is really easy by comparison.

>>28108008
>pour oil into waste containter
>return to retail space
>leave store
Are you asocial? Wait, what am I saying? Of course you are.

>>28105566
What the fuck is that article even about? Why the hell did they put it under the "Sports" section? Also, the fact that it implies that there was ever a time in which most people fixed their own cars tells me that the author is a fucking moron and that whatever site published the story has no editors and therefore no actual credibility.

/o/ seems to have overlooked a few major reasons people "don't repair their cars anymore". A lot of modern cars made in the last 20 years simply don't need as much maintenance and don't need full part replacements as often as the shittily built vehicles from the 90s and earlier.
inb4 someone points out some catastrophic ecoboost engine grenading, EV bricking itself, or whatever. Yeah, those are complete catastrophic failures NOBODY would ever buy a few parts from their local oreilly/AZ/checker/whatever overpriced auto parts store.

Plus on top of that all, nobody has tools even passed down to them from their parents.

>>28107022
>>Running a website and fulfillment services and shipping are free.
where did i say or expect that?? rockauto still has to pay for all those things too. they just don't have traditional storefronts and customer service which are some of the reasons they can sell stuff so cheap
>>28108030
he's just retarded

>>28105875
>What do you do when your washing machine becomes an oversized brick because there was some corruption in the software?
HE regulations actually made the current generation of these things useless. Overrode the door mechanism to watch a cycle and the "hydrowave" technology is straight bullshit. Agitator just suggests the clothes move around. I'm buying an old ass model or earlier Speed Queen when I get the chance.

>>28105902
2006 was the last year that cars were just cars. The 2007 EPA regs were the beginning of the end.

>>28106063
This. There's no reason wipers should cost more than $7-10. Rockauto is also the only place that sells actual name-brand shit instead of house-brand mexican remans that are somehow more expensive than a new part.

>>28105875
You seem to be running on the assumption that people WANT to be able to fix their appliances.
The reason the move has been towards black box technology is because by and large that's what the consumer market demands. Women make the overwhelming majority of household purchases, and some zoomllennial woman would actively select AGAINST a washing machine that was easy to repair because it means it doesn't have the 'convenient' features that frees her up to get fucked by her third boyfriend.

>>28108332
In 2006 forums were filled with how new cars were complex computerised trash that you couldn't work on.

>>28108526
My dad got a snide comment towards his 1982 Camaro Z28 (carbed, not even the Misfire Injection version) back then, calling it complex computerized trash that couldn't be worked on. That guy would have had an aneurysm if he saw a car from today.

>Record breaking profits 2020, 2021, 2022
>"This is the new normal!"
>Profits returning to normal levels.
>"Nobody works on their cars anymore!"
Autozone, Oreillys, Napa, Advance, they've all been raking it in for the past 5 years. The sentiment of people not working on their cars anymore is just a shitty made-up excuse they pull out whenever they need justification for any action they take. The number of Americans fixing their own vehicles has been growing both in total and proportionally for 50 solid years. Boomers in the 60s did less of their own repairs and maintenance than Zoomers do now, let that sink in.

>>28109048
Yeah but now the company cannot afford to continue operating because everyone at the executive level got 40% more pay and the company cannot pay its bills so to free up cash they'll just close down a bunch of stores. No, we cannot cut executive's pay by hundreds of millions, that'd be rude and they're the only ones capable of running such a large organization.
Makes perfect sense.

>>28107978
>t. Nigger who loves trannies and doesn't wrench or own a car
Go back to whatever shithole you came from, they'd eat you alive

>>28108008
I like to just bring in jugs of coolant and atf and water filled oil, but I put it in plastic bags and then say its all oil and gtfo
>>28108008
Just pour it on the floor if they don't specify where to put it

>>28109048
>Boomers in the 60s did less of their own repairs and maintenance than Zoomers do now
No. I think it's more that the boomers who did cars are still doing cars, and the zoomers that actually do cars have exponentially more "car" to fix per person than the boomers did working on their 50's car with nothing in the engine bay but a master cylinder, a carbed v8, and a radiator

>>28109066
Surveys disagree with your made-up sentiment. A larger portion of Zoomers do their own vehicle maintenance than Boomers ever did or still do today.

>>28109048
b-b-but if number doesn't go up exponentially we can't increase salaries for our C-suite executives, or dividends to the shareholders who contribute nothing to the operation of the business!!!

>>28108332
Rockauto still sells a lot of dogshit to be honest and some oem stuff isn't available on there, but at least you have a good variety and if you get a cheap shitty part that breaks its on you.

>>28105621
They also have zero work incentive, Anon. Why trade your youth away in order to rent shit or get a temporary girlfriend/wife? If there's no legacy being built, your time is worth infinitely more than the goods on offer.

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>>28109058
>>28109071
INFINITE GROWTH IS INFINITELY SUSTAINABLE AND I'LL INFINITELY DEFEND THAT SO LONG AS I'M PROMISED INFINITY DOLLARS PER INFINITY FOR THE REST OF INFINITY, OR ELSE!

>>28109048
>let that sink in.
Which one?

>>28105566
Cars are way more complex now. You need special tools or a dealer only computer to perform some operations to allow your new part to even work with the car. I do what I can on my rig but there is a lot of stuff that just isn't easy or possible when the computer get involved.
My mother would tell me how she changed the alternator on her jeep in the 80's in a parts store parking lot. She was a tomboy but not the into cars type of tomboy. Now a days she won't try to fix anything on it for fear or making it worse.

>>28105588
Wow it’s almost like overhead exists

>>28107056
>Shipping is never free
but it's near insignificant if you can get it shipped to a commercial address.
t. once had a half pallet of shit show up to the front desk at the office, on a day that I rode my motorcycle.
We had customers nearly tripping over the stupid thing.

>>28105566
Do they sell car parts? Usually it’s awful Chinese generic bs stuff like car seat covers

>>28105866
Weirdly I’ve gotten some parts cheaper at AutoZone than ordering online especially from RockAuto which charges insane shipping sometimes. At AutoZone I can go to the counter, give them a part number, and they’ll have it the next morning However these are GM parts like ACDelco so it’s probably different for foreign vehicles.

>>28105566
Literally two things: oil catch pans and dumping the used oil after

>>28109209
please don't spout shit you know nothing about retard, adults are talking

>>28109069
not that anon, but what's your source?

>>28105566
>go to parts store
>spend $17 on a single oil filter
>go on rock Auto
>buy 5x Wix oil filters for $3 each
>order spark plugs for $1 each ($5 at store)

tell me why I should shop local?

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>>28109418
>retard knows nothing, assumes everyone else is a retard.
fucking mongoloids. UPS residential is always more expensive than commercial.
Just have it delivered to your job. Talk to the people in the warehouse/front desk and they'll help you out.

>>28105566
I wrench as much as I can, but I can't say I ever actually bought anything at Advance. I prefer to go to a local chain when I can. Hell, I've only gone O'Reilly a few times.

>>28109198
I don't give a FUCK about this boomer cope. If you can't compete with online prices then you deserve to get fucked, especially when the apparent strategy for 99.9% of retailers is to force employees to aggressively shill ripoff memberships and warranties and whatever the fuck else.

Like people are already not going into your shithole store and your solution to this is to harass the few people who do still come in?
>b-but we only get 20 customers a day so we need to force each one to buy as much as possibly so we can afford our "overhead"
Best part about these fuckers going out of business is that no one wants to take over empty storefronts either so landlords get fucked too. It's been years since I went inside any store except to buy groceries and that's only because I don't trust teenage wagies to pick out my produce.

>>28109048
>>28109066
any sources for this?out of all the generations zoomers in general seem to be the least interested in cars and with cars being harder to work on than ever i don't see how it can happen.
Or maybe it's because they are so broke they can only afford old beaters that need constant wrenching lol

>>28109501
I have a LLC, can I consider my house a commercial shipping address?

>>28109616
do you get regularly scheduled drop-offs and pickups at your house?

>>28109618
my LLC ships to & from my house on the regular.
(eBay store)

>>28109501
is that a US only thing? i get the same prices regardless of whether it'd a commercial address or not. in australia though so that might be a factor

>>28109437
>tell me why I should shop local?
Because those online prices aren't accurate.

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>>28109628
I reckon it might be. Try shipping to a warehouse nearby that probably has daily ups deliveries vs a house and see if the price changes.
At our facility UPS picks up (and delivers) every day, so it's already pretty inexpensive to ship something there. I just normally try to have a vehicle with me that can haul my shit in a timely manner.

>>28109634
weird because I just ordered those exact parts
bruh.
I'm someone who has recorded his entire car project cost down to the penny.
I've even recorded every month's food bill for the past 7 years.
I've recorded my MPG on every fill up my Corolla has gotten. (10+ years)
are you gonna doubt my Autism?

>>28109648
>bruh.
You could've just shown the link or screenshot of the items in question, instead you went on to provide no evidence.

>>28109634
lolwut. i constantly hear about how shit rockauto can be if one has to return something or get customer service involved, but not once have i seen a complaint about suddenly getting extra charges or prices suddenly changing or whatnot
>>28109638
i set the shipping address as my work which sends and receives fedex shipments daily, price is still the same. cheaper shipping to commercial addresses must be another burger thing i wish we could have here (the other being free tool rental).

>>28109501
That's utterly meaningless.
Shippers don't magically ship for free because you check the commercial box. That's not a thing.
You don't own anything nor do you run your own business. I do.
You found some of your bosses paperwork laying around, utterly oblivious to the context and made some radical assumptions. It's likely a credit of some sort. That assuming you didn't just photoshop it after getting exposed for being a know nothing retarded faggot.

Now go sweep the floor before the man who owns you returns, ma'am.

>>28109703
>he thinks it's a box that gets ticked.
absolute mong.
>getting this angry
I bet you really don't own shit.

>>28109703
>your own business. I do.
Selling butthole pictures out of your moms basement doesn't really count.

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>>28109653
ok I'll spoon feed you little anon.
$1.99 vs $5.49
it's $1.49 if you buy 8 plugs as well.
that's nearly 4X the price for the same copper spark plug.
same shit goes for Wix filters on Rockauto
the multi packs are 1/3-1/4 the cost.

>>28109076
Yea, atleast you have options on rock auto. You can find AC Delco, denso, motor craft, and other well known OEM suppliers as opposed to just being shafted with some shitty dorman part or some no name diralast

>>28108079
Nigger it costs the same to run a storefront as it does to run an internet business out of warehouses. Rockauto also has customer service. You're acting like running an storefront with barely any inventory and 2 employees per shift is fucking expensive.

>>28107056
>shipping is putting stuff in boxes and mailing it
Warehousing, forktrucks, shelving, fufillment services, returns, employees, electricity, computers, etc.

>they have no customer service
You can literally call their corporate headquarters and place orders over the phone and check inventories and do returns and all kinds of other shit.

You must work at Advance because there is no reason for their insane mark-up on chinesium parts when their overhead is no higher than Summit or Rockauto.

>>28109707
It's LITERALLY a box that gets ticked.
HAHAHAHAH GO SWEEP A FLOOR YOU DUMB DOGECOIN FAGGOT LMAOOOO

>>28109714
I own multiple properties.
6 figs handsome white 7" etc

>>28109746
>$1.99 vs $5.49
How much is shipping from all 4 RA warehouses?

>>28109767
>acting like 2 employees per shift is fucking expensive.

bruh, I run an online store and it has way less overhead than a physical store.
also, parts stores have way more than 2 employees.
a warehouse can also have 2 ppl packing shit up for a 100+ customers.
while a store might serve 20 or less

>>28109776
$5.87 for my address.
considering I bought 24x spark plugs, it's still way cheaper than a store
shipping only added about 25 cents per plug
so about $1.73 per plug vs $5.49

Now don't respond to me ever again.
I don't have time to argue with 4chins contrarians.

>>28109787
>When I buy a case I save 4 cents a piece!
Great! Sounds like you're an idiot.

>>28109621
not that anon, and I was just a min wage cashier/packer at a sorta ups store. I'd say yes, lots of people selling shit from home came in with lots of packages and had somehow low as fuck shipping rates. some of the drivers talked about one guy exploiting the commercial shipping rates and cutting all the return addresses off his shipping labels. selling water filters in some scummy way.

look up "ups small business program". but it's based on volume so if your only sending 1 package a month it's probably not worth it

also there was some really obscure shipping organizations and groups i have no idea how people found out about. there's a special option just for golf clubs. some guy came in and we started packing it and I'm mentally totalling the cost and it's going 300$ and up, then hands us this little discount thing and a pre-made label and it only costs him like 23 bucks, the coupon reimburses the store. how that works, no idea.

>>28109781
>my ebay store is the same as Rockauto
Stop being retarded.

>>28109791
NTA anon but you're the one who sounds like an idiot, coping after being shown that the plugs are significantly cheaper online and then acting like it's actually no difference.

>>28111320
>plugs are significantly cheaper online and then acting like it's actually no difference.
of course they're cheaper online. Most things are. Buying 24 spark plugs isn't a normal thing, and pretending like he's a genius ordering in bulk when even amazon is just pennies more doesn't make him clever.

>>28111356
Spark plugs are small and they don't expire on the shelf.
You can just keep them for next time.

>>28112413
Yeah, spend the $1.50 today so 10 years from now if I still have that same engine I'll have beaten inflation when spark plugs are a wild cost of $2.50.

>>28105588
This. I suspect more people are DIYing then ever with the amount of free online video tutorials and increased price of both new and used cars. It's just that prices at the parts store are insane. Used to be a $200 dealer part was $70 for the knockoff at the parts store, and maybe online could get it to you for $65 with shipping but who wants to wait? Plus the hassle of returns etc, vs. having a guy at the counter who could help.
Now the guy at the counter is a retarded nog who only knows about cars what he learned watching a street takeover on his phone and the $400 dealer part is $300 for the knockoff, which rockauto can do for like $120 including shipping. Or maybe scamazon can get it to me by 10 am tomorrow for like $135.
The only thing I go to the parts store for now is oil change specials, and even those are getting stingier to the point I might not bother.

>>28112437
or when they become NLA for whatever reason and they were really good ones too

>>28108526
I can remember when everyone was bitching about OBD2 because you needed a scanner (which used to be expensive) and couldn't just flip the key to get a DTC flashing on the dash in a Morse-code like fashion.
Now that basically every car has a display wired to the ECU (&BCU, etc etc) they could easily eliminate the need for any scanner and just let you read/delete codes on screen. But where would be the money on that?

>>28112437
Are you stupid?

>>28112689
my challenger can do this, actually. it has a built in code scanner in the instrument cluster. you have to enable it with a hack like alfaobd or tazer, but it works and will show you standard code numbers without bullshitting with a scan tool.
unfortunately it's a dodge so it doesn't throw any codes until it fucking dies so the feature is mostly useless, but i've used it a couple times instead of playing nutty putty cave adventure under the dash at night. helped me figure out that my ckp went bad.