What's the best fast awd car that you can get for the money? I'm talking fast as in less than 12.5s quarter-mile.I currently drive an E55 W211, but I'm kinda bummed I can't launch it right away. Once you get it up to speed it feels amazing though, the sound and power is really great.I don't care about cornering, handling etc, I just launch to cruise in comfort and be fast in a straight line. So I started looking and the best I could find for now is a D4 S8 Plus, you can get a late 2017 one for $42k here in Eastern Europoor.I also like the new Alpina B3, but it starts from $54k and the Audi can be had for even less than $42k, so it doesn't seem justified.W212 E63s have a great engine, but the interior seems dated, it's a 2009 model after all and surprisingly they are more expensive on average than the S8 Plus.Basically everything I've found is more expensive than this Audi.Help bros.
Audi A7.
Used STI with a downpipe and a tune will run low 12s all day but obvious not a very luxurious experience
>>28106670>>28106675I forgot to mention, I don't like tunes. Maybe something very light, but nothing that could bring an A7 to sub-12.5 times.
>>28106684Any 6 cylinder car is going to need a tune to be as fast as you want it. Why does it need to be awd?
>>28106693The S58, in Alpina B3 and M3, doesn't, but they're still too expensive.I want to be able to launch from a standstill, man, otherwise I would keep the E55. But going to above 2500 rpm makes you spin out.
>>28106696S58 is a brilliant engine, but all the cars that come with it are ugly as fuck sadly.Are you trying to replace your E55 or just have a car that launches hard?
>>28106663is this what europe looks like? grim
>>28106712Replacing, it will be too expensive to have the E55 and a car like the S8 Plus.I like the Alpina, the sedan is pretty alright.
an xdrive b58 in the chassis you want is your beat option I thinksad you have to let the w211 go it's a great car
>>28106663>black avanti strom s1 on a e-classDamn you're a ricer, were you a Miata faggot in a previous life?
Ford Maverick. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QN6fpllo6C0&t=18s&pp=2AESkAIB
No one's saying the obvious answer...Model S Performance10.5 seconds for 40kModel 3 Performance11.5 seconds for 25kYou cannot get better performance per dollar in an unmodified car
mid 2000s audis? S4 or S6
>>28106852I do like my rice.
>>28106869The US is going to fall behind in EV tech due to politics and crony capitalism.
>>281066632013-2015 Audi RS5. Light tune may be required to push it under 12.5 seconds. I'm starting to see them go for less than $30K.
>>28106891How, when the world's leading EV maker is based in America?
>>28106663I mean, based on your posts it's probably not what you would be interested in, but the charger/300 have a subframe based on the W211 and drive similarly, and the V8 AWD versions can be had super cheap and even a mild cam puts them into the mid to low 12s. Under 15k all in
>>28106675>12s all dayLol, no. With how violent you have to launch that thing to run optimal times something will break.
>>28106752I'm thinking about it. M340 with light tune goes fast.>>28106869Don't want EV, don't like interior/exterior of Tesla etc.>>28106871Too old, NA and unreliable.>>28106895It's NA, already high-strung 4.2, so it's doubtful a tune will do anything.>>28107089I know them but from what I remember those are 14s cars. I thought only the SRT versions go fast. Which exactly are those?
>>28107125>hose are 14s carsStock, the (2009 and up)5.7s do mid 13s, even a mild cam for the awd variants will do mid 12s. Ask me how I know
>>28107326That's really interesting. 12.5 is very respectable.is that your car, can you post some photos? What is the expected horsepower?
>>28106663I've got the right car for you
Buy a 5.7 charger/challenger and bolt on a blower
>>28107401The sedan version of this is awesome, it's just that it costs almost as much a S8/S8 Plus which blows it out of the water in every aspect.>>28107425Very hard to do this in Europe. In the US I'd have probably gotten the SRT 6.1 Cherokee + a supercharger or a twinturbo setup.
>>28107034>CEO of such company bootlicks an anti EV and pro fossil fuels administrationgee what could go wrong
>>28107398Here is the car, 2009 with cam and awd. It ran 13.6 bone stock. Cam/intake/exhaust/converter it runs mid 12s. I have a dragy GPS and it's done 4.2 to 60 on a good day, though I just finished retuning it this week and hope to get into the high 3s. You can get the awd v8 chargers as former police cars for cheap. The cop cars idle a lot and tend to eat their original cam, but if you are going to do a cam swap anyways that doesn't matter.
>>28107472Oh, and to answer your question, probably about 450hp, 500ft lbs at the crank
>>28107472bruh 0-60 times is be for slowfaglets ong lmaoo come back when u got dat 2sec 60-130 ong capbruh lmaooo
>>28107482I know this is trolling, but it's a lot easier to log 0-60 times on public roads than a quarter mile. For this car, I would need to find a flat place where I can go from a dead stop to 115mph to do a quarter and do that in a way where I don't get arrested or dead. No, 0-60 and 8th mile are way easier to log, and I need to do those several times over to check how the car responds to changes in the tune.
>>28107499I don't understand ebonics.
>>28107502>ignoring the post and deliberately posting a thumbnailI chuckled, anon. Thanks for this.
>>28107125>Too old, NA and unreliable.bro u drive an e55literally same years, na and equally as unreliablekys
>>28107518Don't tell me what I drive, idiot.The engine in W211 E55 is the M113K, which is supercharged and much more reliable that the things Audi and BMW put in their cars at that time and even later. You offer me a 10+ year older car than the car I mentioned and act butthurt when I tell you it's old. Yes, retard, it's old, I'm not going to buy it when I can afford the S8 Plus.Get the fuck out of the thread and come back when you improve your reading comprehension and learn a thing or two about cars. Fucking moron.
Had awd i like the way rwd drives 4wd is understeering aids
>>28107646>4wd is understeering aidsMitsubishi had it right 37 years ago.4WS too.Reminder for Zoomers that Galant VR4 preceded and was the inspiration for Lancer EVo.
>>28106663340i xDrive and stop looking. For $20-30k there isn’t anything else remotely close to it once you tune it.
Unironically this. 12.1s and I bought mine ex-demo for $42,000AUD ($27,000 US). Elon and Trump won’t let Americans buy one though — they need to protect “black jobs” in US auto factories.
>>28107966Forgot pic
>>28107966>>28107971Looks fucking hideous
>>28108007You should check out some pics of the rear, cause that’s all you’ll see when I discombobulate you at the lights.
>>28106869Howmeownership or a guaranteed personal charging spot is the only way I'll consider a Tesla.
>>28108035If you can’t afford a down payment on a detached house, why are you even thinking about buying a high performance car?
>>28106869Am I missing something? The model S starts at almost $70k…
>>28107566you have a mid 2000s car, I propose mid 2000s cars and you sperg out?and the w211 are unreliable as shit, just cus ur engine is okay (newsflash, the audi v8 and v10 are reliable if you change the guides) doesnt mean the car iscope and seethe more faggot, I bet you can afford a brand new S8, but drive a 10k shitbox
>>28106663Have you tried getting a pair of decent tires?Not even joking, tire tech has evolved so much since that E55 was launched that I bet my right kidney you could take some record-setter from 20 years ago and shave 10% of that time just with tires aloneGet some semi slicks on a set of proper rims (not fucking JapanRacing) and you're good
>>28108456I considered semislicks. Most of them are not available here, I can get Yokohama ad09 and Nankang CR-S. Are those good? I want them for highway use and grocery getting, no track days. How long will they last?>>28107971Don't have where to charge them. Also I want the engine sound.>>28107936Yeah, they are so fast that it's annoying. :D Although they are more expensive here in Europe, nothing below $40k. Basically the same price as the as S8/S8 Plus.>>28108408Didn't read lol. You didn't even know what engine this E55 had, so your opinion is worthless.
>>28108525Just get an F10 M5 already.
>>28108559I saw it bro, it's a great car, but it's RWD. I already have the E55 for that.
>>28108574awd is GAY as FUCK
>>28106713Yeah it's like America with less niggers.
>>28108525what makes you think I dont know what engine the w211 e55 had? you really are retarded arent you?let me guess, you are brown too?
>>28108710I already said I'm done with you, go reread the older posts.
>>28108713how about no brownoid
>>28106663Buy a based porsche
>>28108722Okay, Alzheimer-guy.
>>28108525>I considered semislicks.I wouldn't trust chinkshit with my lifeI suppose you could go for a set of Yokos' as long as they're cheap and you can't find some other brand of tiresIf semislicks don't tickle your fancy, just do as other anons have said and buy some V8 Audi with AWD as theirsl system is actually decent, but I'd wager that you should at least try some other tires on before making an expensive decision
>>28107971lamb truck
>>28106663You won't be happy if you don't get the Alpina. Life is short and you don't take the money with you when you die. Just get the Alpina.
>>28108062Those are obviously used prices. They don't even make the Model S Performance anymore.
>>28108843>giant used lithium batteryWhat could go wrong
>>28108855They're not THAT old. The 760hp Model S Performance was available from 2019-2020.
>>28108859That's cool and all, but the lithium batteries in phones are far more advanced and go to shit in only a couple years.
>>28108870What exactly happens to a Tesla battery after "a couple years"? You seem very knowledgeable on the subject so I'm sure you've done plenty of research
>>28108525Just a friendly heads up if you're thinking of giving semi-slicks a chance in (vain) hopes of gaining traction and getting absolute sick launches? Don't.I have a lightly modded CLS55 and even in stock form before I began pushing more power, I figured I'd get semi-slicks in the back to cope with the eventual power mods to come and honestly, all I got was really bad droning from the tires, CRAZY high wear compared to "regular" tires and a whole lot of smoke when I tried to even half-send it from standstill.And do note, that was with stock power. RWD is never going to launch even close to as well as AWD outside of prepped surface and perfect conditions (ie. Not the streets.) so it's a fools errand trying to make the car do something it just isn't properly suited for. To sum things up, I got 7000km out of the tires and that was without any intentional burnouts, just when I tried launching from the lights every now and then. Also a very good side note is that the tires were borderline dangerous during anything beyond light rain. 0/10, would not recommend. Tires were Toyo R888R in case you were wondering.
>>28106663Civic with few simple mods.
>>28106869Since OP mentioned Eastern Europe I would assume the charging infrastructure is shit
>>28108840You are right.>>28110326Thanks, man.
