Too busy building cars that actually sell

No replacement for displacement

They're not trying to be fast. Making a really fast car is a lame stunt that isn't that difficult from and engineering POV. The biggest engineering achievements in automotive history came in the production of mass market shitboxes like the Model T. It's why you see so many small independent supercar manufacturers - it's the easiest type of car to build.

>>28110350
I've seen 1 Nissan Z in the past 2 years and it had manufacturer plates

>>28110364
Toyota us the biggest manufacturer in the world lmao
You can criticise their choice of cars to build but they're clearly just giving the people what they want

>>28110350
why are their stock prices taking a massive shit.

>>28110350
Their reliability is worse than American shit and can't into fun sedans anymore either

>>28110457
Jews

>>28110484
But the jew fears the samurai.

>>28110364
HOLY FUCK they can't even sell 2k per year
Is it because of the dealers, or because it's the same as the ancient 350?

>>28110490
anyone who's a weeb wants a GR86. its hard for other japanese sports cars to compete with that. the only reason the miata does is because its the only japanese sports cars bought by boomers.

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>>28110330
Viper still superior

>>28110567
cute ms paint time

>>28110581
why would i quote a legitimate time done by /o/ur man Jim Mero?

>>28110588
Why did you post a video of an over 8 minute lap?
>>28110593
A video wouldn't prove it wasn't modified. much like the current N attack's video.

>>28110609
How would this video prove the car didn't have increased horsepower and other stuff removed outside of just the interior?
>segmented lap time
What's this? I've never heard of anyone in the industry using this.

>>28110364
>>28110490
You don't see them because they can't make them. Look it up. The production run on the car has been wrought with problems. Production full halted 3 times in the first year. It's not like there's dealership lots full of them because no one wants to buy them. They just can't make them. It's sad because otherwise it's a great car

>>28110628
>Ideally you could also show us a press release
Road and track Jim Mero interview, i guess you also posted another.
>The 6:57 segmented time indicated on my retirement poster
So you're saying the ZR1 is even faster than 7:04?
>quoting segmented times
Who quoting segmented times? the ZR1 is listed as 7:04.

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>>28110638
>That isn't a press release from GM
Why does it have to be from GM? is it not a press release as is? wouldn't you want it to be from a whistle blower who does not work for GM anyway?
>Jim Mero uses segmented times as a valid way to advertise his tuning services.
So why is 7:04 quoted on his website as a source for the ZR1's lap, but not the segmented time?
>Can we see the videos from where those segments were obtained?
Jim Mero does not own the rights to the video. just like Nissan does not own the rights to their customer's cars, and therefore cannot verify their performance as matching their own.
>No it isn't
Its not? why is it in lap time tables? remember when you said no one acknowledged it. why are they doing so, now?

>>28110646
are you having a stroke? what does any of this have to do with our conversation.

>>28110660
>Because I don't trust american boomers
Is it only american boomers that lie? and did Jim Mero lie?
>he links to the autoevolution interview
But he doesn't mention it on his website? so it seems like he isn't using that as a quote for the car's lap. which is why its stated as 7:04 in the OP image. no one is quoting the segmented time as being the ZR1's actual lap time.
>And?
so he can't release it.
>can you prove a customer's C7 ZR1 can match Jim Mero's supposed 7:04 time?
I cannot, but there are other corvettes that were proven if you want something that'll actually match Jim Mero's quoted times. and doesn't the fact that the C7 Z06 got really close to the time Jim Mero said he got in it (7:10) add credit to his laps?.
>it isn't
Why is it on fastest laps? they're one of the many "time tables" that you said wouldn't acknowledge the time.
>>28110661
Oh, okay. carry on.

>>28110684
>all boomers should drop dead
are your parents not boomers?! do you not trust the boomers at Nissan?
>Can we see a video to find out if he did?
It is owned by GM. as much as we may want to see it, and Jim Mero may want to show it, GM doesn't.
>he quotes the interview by providing a link to it.
You can provide a link to something without quoting something specific in it. its clear he doesn't think his segmented time is the car's actual lap. why even mention 7:04, then?
>to further amplify his image of a reputable figure within the aftermarket car industry.
Wouldn't he already be reputable given his past work with GM? and why even work under GM if this was all about his tuning services. why not just tune up a vette and take that to europe. and why doesn't he actually say anything about the car being enhanced by his tuning, and that GM wouldn't be shit without him or something to the interviewer.
>if the car was a production model that wasn't modified?
a video wouldn't prove that, since you can still increase horsepower. only testing a production dealer spec car would.
>How do we know Jim Mero actually got 7:10 in the Z06?
doesn't the fact that anyone can potentially get so close to his quoted time add credit to it? if he made up a time off the top of his head, it would be widely different than what other people got. even if it was just a rumor, the fact that people can get so close to them adds viability to the quoted time.
>Guess the validity of the laptime in OP is dubious
Are you saying all times that cannot be varied as unmodified are dubious? what about the N attack?

>>28110684
>Because fastestlaps doesn't actually verify the shit that is uploaded to their cesspit
Did they not verify the lap with a link to the guy who was interviewed by the press about it?

No production GTR has ever gone past 7:19. Only non production 1:1 modified cars have. Thats where the story ends.

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>>28110780
That's only valid if the pre-production matches the post-production. In the GTRs case they don't match since it was a 1:1 nurburing tuned car and "volume production" that's why it's in the modified non production section on the official /o/ lists on fastlaps and Wikipedia. If you want to mention other car brands go ahead and petition to get them removed, not my problem niggersan shill. Sucks to suck this is a settled matter
>GTR 7:19
It's best time.

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>>28110804
There is no official laptime for the GTR on that nurburing website hahaha they didnt start recording times until 2019. The fastest laptimes on official /o/ approved lists is a 7:19. Fastlaps/wikipedia>>>>>>>niggayrage
Cope and seethe that riced V6 loses to American V8s that are half the price.

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>>28110826
>>28110828
Kek you dropped that link real quick. I thought niggsan was on the official nurburing list what happened hahahaha? I accept your 100th concession. Nice 7:19 maybe with niggsan makes another 1:1 modified car you can simp over it as well.

>>28110847
There is no niggsan time at all on the "official nurburing website" lmao that was my point you posted a link that has 0 evidence to your claims just like you've done many times before.

What's funny as well is fastlaps and the wiki records are considered the top result and most visited for these topics so you're cherrypicking by going to secondary and tertiary sources to back up your narrative when the primary sources of Wikipedia and fastlaps already passed their judgement on this matter, besides they have a way more accurate and extensive list of laptimes than ANYTHING you've posted and are a way better source of information. I'm glad that you're the only moron on /o/ who still spams this fake news kek.

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>>28110749
>My mom isn't, she is gen x
Hot. does she also make tacos?
>We do not have evidence that suggest any Corvette can lap the ring faster than the Nismo GTR
Is a press release not industry standard evidence? and what about the C6 SP that did 7:04? (inb4 race car) you just said "any" corvette, and posted a GT3 car yourself.
>I am not sure
It doesn't make any sense, then. if he wanted to use the segmented times for marketing, it makes no sense to mention another lap time as the actual lap time.
>Working with GM isn't synonimous with being reputable.
If you're a corvette buyer, what else would make you reputable than working directly on the car from the company that you are buying?
>Are the people in charge of the ignition switch scandal reputable people?
Is Ghosen? Former CEO of Nissan? what about the CEO that overtook him soon after that was also found to be corrupt? what does any of this have to do with the corvette or Jim Mero, specifically? we're obviously talking about the point of view of corvette buyers buying Jim Mero's tunes.
>my new philosophy improved the C7 model so much, we decided to make these calibrations available to every C7 owner as an upgrade. Thousands of C7 owners have upgraded their cars and the positive feedback exceeded our expectations."
It sounds like he didn't just go to the ring and make shit up to make himself look good, but actually came back with something tangible for corvette buyers and they liked it. when has a GT-R owner gave positive feedback to something gained from the N attack's nurburgring time?

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>>28110761
>Are you saying Jim Mero's laptimes aren't valid?
Are you saying the N attack's aren't?
>they are all different cars
That's why they should have very different lap times. look at all the 3rd party GTR test vs nissan's for example. unless you're saying GM's tested cars are worse than the production version? the gap should be wider, not narrower.
>Nothing stops Jim mero from substracting a couple of seconds
other than the fact that it could vary widely from what people might actually get. he doesn't know what 3rd parties will get vs what he gets.
>We have a 3rd party comparison of the Corvette and the GTR
But the corvette has won most Comparisons between itself and the GTR. if you're basing it off that, the vette would actually be faster.
>>28110761
>They said the SSC Tuatara is the first
the lap time table you linked says the SR8 is a production car, and we know this is false.

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>>28110876
Look it up properly you stupid fucking beaner you literally typed "de" which automatically put your retarded list on top since "de" is in big gay garages url you idiotic subhuman beanoid.

>>28110901
When you type "nurburgring lap times" or "nurburgring official lap times" fastlaps and wikipedia are the first things that pop up you disingenuous retard. What makes this funnier is that even in your retarded beaner tactics you managed to fraudulently make a list pop up that doesnt even have niggsans laptime at all kek.

>>28110461
you can thank their bubble economy bursting for that. no more bottomless R&D budget to make shit like supercharged mid engine rwd egg vans. or l6s with turbo or supercharger options.

>>28110923
Kek'd, thanks for doubling down on your autism and cherrypicking. I accept your concession. The fastest volume production R35 was a 7:19.

>>28110930
The "official nurburing" website you posted here doesn't, I think your beaner mind didn't realize that when you posted the link kek. >>28110804

>>28110888
>yes
Good, i'm going to go beat off to this.
>Post GM's
Why specifically GM? lets say it was GM who did the press release instead of Jim Mero, how would that make a difference?
>if he wanted to use the segmented times for marketing
>yes it does lol
did you respond to the wrong thing?
>they represent the ideal time the driver should strive for next time he goes for a lap.
Yea, but that would mean its not an actual lap.
>So people involved with the ignition switch scandal are reputable?
Is Ghosen and his followup?
>GODsn never lapped the ring
the people who did the ignition didn't lap the ring, either.
>>28110897
>There's video evidence that shows a GTR Nismo lapped the ring in 7:08
How does this prove that the car wasn't modified? do you remember what we were talking about with that quote?
>Where's GM
what difference does it make if its from GM? its a press release.
>Slower than a GT3 GTR
Its not, because by your own words, "they represent the ideal time the driver should strive for next time" and are not actual lap times.
>No it hasn't
Between Autobild, and Car and driver, and Motor trend, off the top of my head, how did they not? its 2/3 test won.
>Autobild comparison wasn't a face to face
The article contains a picture of all the cars together, how wasn't it face to face?
>and it doesn't have a video
why does a magazine test need a video? are you suggesting they lied? for what reason would they gain from that?
>According to what?
Sport Auto. and the fact that the car needs to go through Single British Approval, which is what kit car makers use.

>>28110987
>>28111008
BRB, gotta wagecuck.

>>28110955
>>28110966
>actively uses wikipedia for information
This is the most autistic take I've ever heard kek. A desperate attempt to deny consensus. It doesn't change the fact that globally and internationally that the vast majority of people who look up or research the nurburgring do so through the top 2 most reliable sources that being wikipedia and fastlaps your retarded ass uses both of these websites but only refuse to on this 1 topic because it doesn't have your preferred opinion on niggersan. You're an autistic child kek.

>>28111135
>according to your own standards, shouldn't be in the production section,

Kek, I've said multiple times that if that's true they shouldn't be there either along side niggsan. Petition for it, and get them banned too if you're so passionate about it. None of this matters to a discussion about the Corvette and the GTR.

>baited

It's just fun to dunk on you this week since you've been autistically screeching over niggsan fake time for years and it's been a settled matter. This is for entertainment purposes, youre also the only beaner braindd nigtard that actively defends niggsans fake time.

>>28110350
They tried with the LFA and gtr. both were slower than corvette and viper tho.

>>28110365
>biggest
Tesla is worth more than all japshit automakers combined

>>28111183
Toyota sells way more cars than Tesla

>>28111236
>So you are quoting a site that has incorrect information?

Kek, you support sites that have the porsche and lambo you bitched about 1000 times you don't have an argument here, doubly so because my point on the facts has never been about anything other than Niggsan bringing up other brands or cars or situations besides niggsan means absolutely nothing to the fact that they didnt use a production car on that track, kek to this fucking day there is no iteration of an n-attack that's legal or production for Germany haha.

No amount of strawman arguments you put forward will change the fact the R35's best production laptime was 7:19 and that the modified laptime was complete bullshit. Hell the 1:1 modified car niggsan used that was tuned specifically for the nurburgring. Even besides that you retarded beaner the car had a 6 point harness and a carbon fiber bonnet gurney which objectively makes it not a road legal car doubly so when it was labeled as a road legal volume production car from niggsan hahahaha like this was always settled which is why it's fucking funny you even peddle this fake shit years on end.

>>28111369
>>28111372
Again your entire whataboutism routine has no effect kek you can cry about other auto manufacturers all you want but that has no bearing on the fact the GTR wasn't street legal and wasn't production lmao. Its not a point to say others lied as well because I'm not talking about them just niggsan. Your entire argument is
>yeahhhhh but... ummm... lamaborghini porsche do it too ;(!!!
Not my problem I'm solely talking about niggersan and their gtr with a six-point harness and carbon fibre bonnet gurney making the car not road legal, the second you mention another car brand as a deflection or excuse you give me your 200th concession, I'm milking this retarded niggsan lolcow.

>>28111267
Tesla is worth more therefore bigger. That's business 101.

>>28111452
Well the goal of an automotive manufacturer should be to sell more cars so I guess that means Toyota is based AF

>>28110364
And how many Corollas, Camrys, and Rav4s have you seen?

>>28111474
Sort of. The goal of any publicly traded company is maximizing profits for shareholders. How that's achieved is irrelevant.
>day two, same class

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>>28111565
>b-b-but muh shareholders!!!!
Gas yourself.
The goal should be to get as many people as possible into the cars they want.

>>28111597
Nobody "wants" an econobox bruh,
They settle for it

>>28111630
>nobody actually wants anything in life, they just settle for it
bit of a hot take there m8e

>>28111666
Worked for toyota

>>28111702
>you didn't actually want to eat your breakfast, you just settled for it
>you didn't actually want to live in your home, you just settled for it
>you didn't actually want to fuck your wife, you just settled for her
The only way you could argue against people wanting Toyotas was to argue against the entire concept of "wanting".... That's some pretty sad cope buddy.

oh hell yeah a benchracer thread

>>28110987
>Ok? I've jerked off to someone's mom too, hell the other day I hired a dominatrix that ballbusted and trampled me and she has two kids. I want her to peg me now, wouldn't that be hot?
No, tone it down. i'm not a coomer. i like hand holding and 30 plus hour buildup before the sex in my erotica.
>Jim Mero never made a press release
is going before the press and releasing information about what he did at the ring not a press release?
>a Press release where the manufacturer backs up a laptime is industry standard.
So why is there lap times like the Veyron, which has no driver named mention, and no press release by VAG or anyone else that it happened on your "official german time table"?
>did you know that the 7:04 is fake and the supposed real time is 7:05.40?
so his real time is still faster than the GTR? the plot thickens.
>that you quote as real because he worked at GM and that makes him reputable
I quote it is real because you claim press releases make the time reputable, even without video. he is "reputable" to corvette buyers on the basis of working on the corvette for GM, meaning he does not need lap times to sell his tunes.
>where you couldn't understand that the C8 Z06 SportAuto tested isn't street legal in germany?
Are you still upset about their being no TUV approved N-attack?
>I am not trusting Jim Mero
That's okay, either the C6 is faster than the GTR or the C7 depending on where you move the goalpost. there's a faster corvette lap time for everyone this holiday season.
>Just like any of the C7's laps by Jim Mero
Nope, not at all like any of his lap times. Jim Mero didn't cut in and out of the GP circuit, which is how you are doing your segment calculations for the GT3 car. that is not at all industry standard, and lap times calculated like that aren't acknowledged anywhere on the internet. what Jim Mero did was, considering Nissan also did the same thing, by cutting out a second to account for something on the track.

>>28111008
>Nismo
a division of NIssan ran by Ghosen?
>but they worked at GM
and the Engineers that developed the nismo worked at nissan.
>and the engineers stated
Jim Mero stated that the ZR1 got a faster lap time than the GT-R.
>we would have an official figure
what does this mean? who has to say it for it to be "official", Mary Barra herself?
>not a bunch of segmented ones
Manufacturers cut out time for obscurities on the course, too. nissan having done so.
>and we would have a video
Tons of manufacturer press releases don't have videos. they are on your "official" time table. the manufacturer can still claim a lap time, like nissan, porsche, and many others did. so something coming from a manufacturer doesn't guarantee video.
>and pictures of the car
we already have that.
>that would show the car matches production specs even if the car used is a pre-production model.
the only thing that would show that, is testing both a pre and post production model.
>but the deviation from an actual lap isn't enough to believe it is slower than the C6 SP
Neither is the C7, which has a far smaller deviation, of a single second, cutting out a chicane, and not two entire different entry and exit points of the track.
>If segmented times are not actual laptimes why do you quote Jim Mero?
Cause he's not doing anything Nissan hasn't already done. so he's not doing anything out of industry standard, in addition to providing a non segmented time.
>there's a third car?
how does a third car being there make it unfair for the GTR?
>money from a manufacturer
so why didn't GM just pay motor trend to re-film the whole test and win that one?
>Sportauto isn't a legal authority
but your nurburgring time table is?
>In the UK only.
oh, so its only considered non production in its home country. that still doesn't sound like it should be in the "production" section of an "official" nurburgring time table.

>>28111714
>people wanting Toyotas
best joke you said yet

You didn't settle for a modern econobox, did you, anon?
Did you buy it new?
Lol

>>28111135
>same I have night shift today
i'm working the day and night shift. only reason i'm doing both is because the day shift is easy. i just stand there looking at tags and occasionally pressing a button. and i get $31 an hour for it.

it does mean that from today onward, there will be large gaps in between responses. i won't be getting much sleep.

>>28111749
Highest selling manufacturer in the world, seethe tranny

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>>28111761
haha you did

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>>28111775
Keep seething tranny, one day you might sound out something that resembles an argument.

>>28110650
I'll take the nissan over chevvy everytime. The chevy just seems like it's bound to be way too tail happy

>>28112658
>>28112623
>>28112620
All this drivel yet none of it matters since the GTR isn't street legal
>>28112366
>>28112366
>>28112366
Krumm in his 6 point harness lek

>>28112686
The only Package As on the street are the ones that optioned out the carbon bonnet and the 6 point harness used on the modified car ran on the nurburgring in 2013. Meaning that they opintioned the car to not be closer to the actual Kit A spec

If you have videos of them with that gurney or harness it's just video of a street illegal car breaking the law. I see videos of people going 150 mph on public highways is that street legal kek?

Niggsan tested a car that wasn't street all of it proven in this test hence why the car is in the modified section and non street legal section haha
>>28112366
>>28112366
>>28112366

>>28112690
>>28112698
Lmao you stupud nigger, if you buy a car with those options it makes them not sfreet legal, these options are offered but the second you buy a car with one it isn't a street legal car anymore hahahaha. All your doing is showing an option where car companies offer options that aren't street legal.

If you weren't a retard you'd realize that all of that legal speak in those laws actively exclude 6 point harnesses because they are outside of what the laws define as legal

>>28112727
You fucking moron, you can own cars that aren't street legal and they can be registered to you, you just can't drive them on the street lmao. Why are you conflating street illegal with illegal overall? When did I say that these cars aren't allowed to be sold? They are but if you buy a full Spec A package it comes with parts that make it public road street illegal. I get you're a beaner but don't conflate the word illegal.
>FMVSS No. 208 (Occupant Crash Protection)
While this standard does not explicitly outlaw 6-point harnesses, it sets requirements for occupant protection including seat belts, which are generally understood to refer to 3-point systems in passenger vehicles. The standard states:
"Each vehicle shall be equipped with a lap/shoulder belt assembly in the front outboard passenger seating positions." (Section 571.208 S4.1.5.1)
Implication: This implies a standard 3-point belt setup, which 6-point harnesses do not meet as they're designed for different crash dynamics and are not certified under FMVSS for road use.
>FMVSS No. 209 (Seat Belt Assemblies):
This standard specifies requirements for seat belt assemblies, focusing on 3-point systems, and does not cover racing harnesses like 6-point ones, which are not manufactured to meet these standards for street use.
>ECE Regulation No. 16 (Safety Belts and Restraint Systems):
This regulation sets out specifications for safety belts that must be met for approval under the ECE standards.
Implication: Racing harnesses, including 6-point ones, are not designed to meet these standards for everyday road use but rather for racing conditions. Thus, they are not legally recognized for use in standard road vehicles without additional modifications to the car's structure (e.g., roll cage).

I know you're world view is shattering 10 years late but it'll settle in eventually you stupid spiccel

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>>28112782
>>28112779
>>28112774
There are only 3 ways that that thing obtained license plates all of which don't help your argument since the entire premise is if a N-Attack Package A is street legal, it's illegal hence why you either need to option out parts or use aftermarket modifications to allow it. All of which wouldn't make it a Package A or a Nurburgring spec
>Show or Display Cars
>Event-Specific Permissions
>Aftermarket Compliance
The example you posted fits at least one or more of the criteria I posted above which automatically makes it so it doesn't count kek.
>Directive 2003/102/EC on Pedestrian Protection:

This directive requires vehicles to have certain structural characteristics to mitigate injuries in pedestrian impacts. Carbon fiber parts, particularly if they are too rigid or sharp, will not comply with these standards.
This automatically disqualifies niggsans Package A gurney

You hyperfixated on my seat belt law posts on 1 line that is only a disclaimer that something isn't mentioned specifically by name but ignore the paragraphs where it's obvious these laws flat out deny the legality of 6 point harnesses for public road use such as
>This standard specifies requirements for seat belt assemblies, focusing on 3-point systems, and does not cover racing harnesses like 6-point ones, which are not manufactured to meet these standards for street use.
And
>This regulation sets out specifications for safety belts that must be met for approval under the ECE standards.
Implication: Racing harnesses, including 6-point ones, are not designed to meet these standards for everyday road use but rather for racing conditions. Thus, they are not legally recognized for use in standard road vehicles

Something hilarious though is that something in the law proves my first point for me
>without additional modifications
but guess who didn't do that when they tested their car and called it a road legal volume production car? niggersan hahaha.

>>28111778
huh? I wasn't arguing, i simply explained business basics then you started screeching about the world or philosophy or something so I moonwalked out

>>28112811
Lol

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>>28112811
>use aftermarket modifications to allow it.
Lol what modifications? The 6 point harness are OEM equipment sold by Nissan.

>>Show or Display Cars
>Event-Specific Permissions
>Aftermarket Compliance
That's nice kid, prove that the American N-Attack with the Kit A or the British RJN N-Attack with the Kit A was registered as any of those three lol

>particularly if they are too rigid or sharp, will not comply with these standards.
Are you saying the carbon fiber splitter of the C7 ZR1 or the Splitter and canards of the Viper ACR don't make them street legal? lolz

>This automatically disqualifies niggsans Package A gurney
How come both the American and the British N-Attack have the gurney flap and can be seen driving on the roads with a license plate lolz

>the legality of 6 point harnesses for public road
So the onwer uses the 3 point seatbelt that remains on the car after the Kit A is installed and then uses the 6 point harness on the track? lolz

>they are not legally recognized for use in standard road vehicles
Good thing the Kit A keeps the original 3 point seatbelt lolz

>without additional modifications
And? The 3 point seatbelt stays in the car, they don't need a rollcage to use the 6 point harness on the street because they won't use the 6 point harness on the street lolz

>>28113195
Kek... now that it's all laid out this explains why there is no TÜV approved N-attack. It violates way too many laws and isnt worth the hassle haha objectively that 2013 car wasnt street legal nor has any n-attack been since. Ez clap.

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>>28113243
>why there is no TÜV approved N-attack.
But there is, This car can be driven in Germany legally

> It violates way too many laws
cite them lolz

> that 2013 car wasnt street legal
There's videos of it driving in the street lolz

>nor has any n-attack been since
I posted several examples lolz

>Ez clap.
but for real this time?

>>28112620
>a press release is a marketing exercise
Can you show me which dictionary you are getting that definition from?
>Which Veyron?
the one listed on your german hosted nurburgring time table. just ctrl+f "veyron".
>Do we have the video to make sure the 7:05.4 is real?
Its owned by GM.
>What if he just added that time on top of a thumbnail like he did with the one in the OP?
But that's not what he did? he subtracted from his lap based on a road obscurity, an industry standard procedure that was also done by nissan.
>But it is not real,
so you're saying a press release doesn't make a lap time real? why is your official nurburgring lap record site quoting laps with no video, then?
>So he is indeed selling a product,
everyone who interacts with the nurburgring is. including your "official" time table, which sells tours. are they not trust worthy?
>I thought you were implying there was no conflict of interest here
There is none? if corvette buyers will buy his tunes just based on him having worked on the corvette, what difference does the lap times make? he can't sell to people who were already convinced to buy to begin with, and those who haven't bought it, simply don't care about the added performance. so, a lap time won't change their mind.
>He sells tunes, but he provides no actual evidence
The video is owned by gm. how can he provide something that doesn't belong to him?
>Yet he makes "press releases" that contain made up laptimes public?
Just like Nissan did? how does that mean he needs these lap times to sell his tunes? he already had no trouble selling them before.
>There's no TUV approved N-Attack because no German customer bought one, not because the TUV wouldn't aprove it.
There is no video because Jim Mero doesn't own the rights to it, not because it didn't achieve the time.

>>28112623
>C6 laps the ring in under 6:40 (S)
No GT3 GTR does, either. because entering and exiting the GP circuit are not how the industry does laps. which is why 6:40 isn't listed anywhere on the entire web.
>What C7 laps the ring in under 7:08,
the one Jim Mero tested using industry standard practices used by Nissan and others.
>I don't trust Jim Mero because he repeats a fake laptime to sell tunes.
You don't trust him because he told you a lap time he got was adjusted? even though you wouldn't have known he adjusted it had he not been honest enough to tell you?
>He supposedly cut a chicane at the last corner.
So he did nothing outside of industry standard. nissan cut time for a road obscurity that was entirely within the north loop as well.
>But according to you, cutting in and out of the north loop is valid because you adjusted a second for a road obscurity within the north loop
You're reaching really hard with that one. are you okay?

>>28112658
>Ghosn wasn't directly involved unlike Jim Mero with the C7 ZR1
Jim Mero didn't do anything like Ghosen?
>No, at Nismo
Who owns nismo?
>show us a fraud case from them
What fraud case was Jim Mero charged with?
>he tried to convince the oublic that the official figure was 7:04 by using the image in the OP
So why would he give multiple times and tell you what they actually are, then. why not just say that was the only time? you're basically saying he's not transparent based on what he was transparent enough to tell you to use as evidence of him not being transparent? this doesn't make any sense.
>Ghosn said the GTR's laptime was official.
If you believe someone or something is corrupt, why would their word hold any weight to you? just because of their position? so if Jim Mero was CEO of GM you'd believe him?
>proofs?
Nissan's lap that didn't contain a video. they said without a stray car they went around, it would be 7:18.
>Sure, but can you prove those manufacturers did so with a segmented lap
Yea, nissan's 7:19 time cut down to 7:18.
>You mean the one that was modified or the one that was a pre-production model?
So exactly the same kind of pictures you get with a manufacturer press release?
>So you accept the 7:04 is calculated and Jim Mero made public a fake laptime?
He did something that Nissan did? what is the issue? why is it okay when Nissan does it?
>Can we see the video to make sure the chicane actually takes one second?
You'd have to ask GM. they own the rights to the video, not Jim Mero.
>You mean the entry and exit points where the start and finish line of the Nordschleife are?
The north loop finish line is not coming in and out of the GP circuit?
>He is not doing anything Nissan has done
So nissan has never claimed a lap time with no video? pretty sure their 7:19 one is exactly that.

>>28112686
>No one in the industry releases segmented times without a video
Nissan did.
>Test drivers spent less time with each car,
but the GTR is easier to drive than the corvette, so less laps mean the corvette would be the one at a disadvantage, not the GTR.
>They paid motortrend to retest the C7
Why didn't they pay motor trend to re-do the entire head to head, and wipe the old one from existence?
>No
>the street legal and production status is disputed
So why would they just list it in the "production" category like its settled?
>street legal and production status still disputed
again, should not be listed in a production category as if its a settled deal.

Had to dig through the archives to find your post. sorry it took so long. i'll reply again in another 15 or so hours.

>>28113120
>"ummm akshually people don't want the things they buy sweaty"
>"I wuz a good boi I wuz just talken economics then you started talking philosophy"
Mhhmm yep sure thing little buddy

>>28113632
https://thebusinessmanual-onemega.com/business-101/marketing/press-releases-why-important-for-brand/
> Examples of important news and information include new products or services, upcoming events, business launches, awards received, and even mergers and acquisitions.
>Veyron
You mean this one?
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1076965_bugatti-veyron-supersport-attempts-record-nrburgring-lap-time-video
>on the 7:40 time set by the original Veyron six years ago
>Its owned by GM.
And?
>he subtracted from his lap based on a road obscurity
Can we have a video to make sure he didn't substract too much time?
>that was also done by nissan.
When? in 2013? Because Nissan just stated that the car could have gone quicker, but they still claimed it did a 7:19
>so you're saying a press release doesn't make a lap time real?
A press releases makes a laptime real, let's see GM C7 press releases where they claim a laptime.
>everyone who interacts with the nurburgring is
Yeah, but not everyone claims segmented laps are real times, that's just Jim Mero.
>so, a lap time won't change their mind.
proofs? Do you have a market research done to corvette drivers?
>The video is owned by gm
And?
>how can he provide something that doesn't belong to him?
He provided a supposed screenshot that shows a supposed 7:05.4 time, Does that not belong to GM?
>Just like Nissan did?
When?
>There is no video because Jim Mero doesn't own the rights to it, not because it didn't achieve the time.
The only evidence we have of that time is from a guy that tried to make the media and his customers believe that he did a 7:04, which is false
>No GT3 GTR does
NO C7 ZR1 laps the ring in 7:04
>the one Jim Mero tested using industry standard practices
Industry standar practices is making a press release, Jim Mero had an interview
>You don't trust him because he told you a lap time he got was adjusted?
Are adjusted times valid then? GT3 GTR did a 6:40

>>28113719
>>had he not been honest enough to tell you?
He was dishonest enough to upload a thumbnail of a C7 ZR1 with a 7:04 time that never happened
>he did nothing outside of industry standard.
>nissan cut time for a road obscurity that was entirely within the north loop as well.
So did I when I cut the GP circuit, GTR GT3 laps the ring in 6:40
>You're reaching really hard with that one.
That's Jim Mero telling his potential customers he did 7:04 in a C7 ZR1 and later admitting that was fake.
>are you okay?
Incredibly, No American can lap the ring faster than the Nismo GTR N-Attack, the Viper was modified and there's no evidence of the C7 ZR1, the C8 z06 was slower as confirmed by SportAuto
>>28113637
>Jim Mero didn't do anything like Ghosen?
And? Ghosn wasn't directly involved with the GTR
>What fraud case was Jim Mero charged with?
I know for a fact he lied about getting a 7:04 laptime, I am not sure someone has charged with fraud for it.
>he's not transparent based on what he was transparent enough to tell you to use as evidence of him not being transparent?
Nowhere in his site does he mention the 7:04 is a false one. He later admitted it to the press. He lied.
>Nissan's lap that didn't contain a video. they said without a stray car they went around, it would be 7:18.
but they didn't claim the lap was 7:18, they always said the laptime was 7:19
>So exactly the same kind of pictures you get with a manufacturer press release?
Huh? Nissan's press release showed the Kit A N-Attack GTR that lapped the ring, and based on customer cars, we can see the package is the same.
>He did something that Nissan did?
Nissan never claimed the lap was 7:18
> they own the rights to the video, not Jim Mero.
So Jim Mero can't prove the C7 ZR1 lapped the ring in 7:04, as he previously stated?

>>28113728
>The north loop finish line is not coming in and out of the GP circuit?
I added a couple of seconds because of that to the 6:40 time, you can do your own segmented lap, I provided a video of it, I wish we could do the same for the C7 ZR1
>So nissan has never claimed a lap time with no video? pretty sure their 7:19 one is exactly that
Yeah, they made a press release, unlike GM for the C7 ZR1
>>28113639
>Nissan did.
Nissan never stated the 2013 GTr lapped the rin in 7:18
>but the GTR is easier to drive than the corvette
that's just ur opinion
>Why didn't they pay motor trend to re-do the entire head to head, and wipe the old one from existence?
Entirely a skill issue on GM
>So why would they just list it in the "production" category like its settled?
> should not be listed in a production category as if its a settled deal.
Big Garage considers it production, they are on the side of the dispute that considers it production

>>28113640
Blame the fucking tranny janny that had a seethe again.