No street legal GT-R has gone faster than KING SNEK in spite of better gearing, similar power, AWD with trick differentials, using a DCT instead of a manual, and better tires.KING SNEK superior, and is the faster street legal car.
I think we all agree that the Vipper™ is a much better car. Even weebs like me.
>>28111642what tires were the Nismo cheater car using anyways?the SNEK has the Kumo ACR tires. 200tw but basically 100tw.
>>28111670Dunlop SP Sport Max GT600 DSST, 200TW
>>28111681>only 3 sizes available so another set of cheater tires like the ACR tires are.
>>28111687Even so, the Kumhos failed on two of the timed laps done.
>>28111727that was a balljoint failure on the viper.not the tire.odd because I've never seen a balljoint fail on a track car.I use rebuildable Balljoints on my race car and they are never bad.
>they're still arguing about ring timespls stop it frens
>>28111812There's no way anyone has ever thought ring times or any lap times mattered, right?You can slap sticky tires on and an insane monkey to drive it, but it tells you very little about how it is to actually drive.
>>28111808Both times it was the front left sidewall failing. First was lucky and it only deflated, second did so at 160mph ~11-12km through the lap. Corner was Kesselchen, looks like?>that was a balljoint failure on the viper.If it was a balljoint failure it would have been a much more violent turn to the left.
>>28111642too poor and stupid to use Michelin?you get what you deserve
>>28111828they literally had a balljoint fail and 40% the car>>28111838the viper ACR tires are FASTER than even CUP2R tires.
>>28111818>There's no way anyone has ever thought ring times or any lap times mattered, right?hello anon! welcome to the car community!
>>28111891Yeah, I know. It's always been like this. People buy high powered cars over lap times yet are too scared to even go WOT in traffic.
>>28111891>anon>it's a tripfag he's responding toI fucking hate newfags so much
>>28111864Watch the wreck video. That's not a ball joint failure at all. The car doesn't immediately jink or have the nose pull hard, it just doesn't turn left before brushing the barrier and then slamming into the right side Armco.
>>28111955>listed as a street legal car>is a street legal carStill 7sec quicker, and the N-Attack wasn't street legal *or* a production variant during its lap attempt
>>28111642>>28111658Doesn't chance the fact it's a financial failure
>>28111968Literally doesn't matter to me. I'm fairly certain they lost tens of thousands on every GT-R, too. Snek is a missle that wants to kill you, it's exhilarating.>Nissan sold 390 GT-Rs in 2023, up from 57 in 2022. Wow, I care so much.
>>28111971Nissan themselves. Non-road legal parts + it wasn't TUV complaint + it used Nissan's manufacturer waiver plate. Ergo, its lap record doesn't count.
>>28111968As are most sports cars.
>>28111812I've never been to germany, but the car I like (can't afford it) is faster than the car you like (that you too will never have) around the burgerring so that makes me superior! Benchracing is an odd hateful sport that still accomplishes nothing.
>>28112578Except the Viper was road-legal and production you fucking numpty. When a car is temporarily imported it must pass roadworthiness/emissions/safety tests (the stuff TUV does). Given the import was approved, we can safely state the Vipers did so. >b-but it had a 6 point harness/racing seat/roll cageStill had the airbags and original 3 point belts, point is invalid.>b-but it was on a dealer plateTemp imports allow for you to drive on the original plates, which makes it just as if not more legal than the red 06 exemption plate on the N-Attack.7:01 > 7:08>>28112638Fuck off with the AI slop
>>28112819>Fuck off with the AI slopWhy? They're cars.
>>28112822It's cringe, gay, and retarded soulless garbage
>>28112828They're images. Souls don't exist. Calm down.
>>28112819>Except the Viper was road-legal and productionNo it wasn't, Can you prove the rollcage and the racing seat are TUV approved?>When a car is temporarily imported it must pass roadworthiness/emissions/safety tests (the stuff TUV does). Given the import was approved, we can safely state the Vipers did so.When a car is temporarely imported The nationality plate must be displayed as well as the national registration number plate, which is the oval US plate this Corvette has. The Viper didn't have this nationality platehttps://www.zoll.de/EN/Private-individuals/Travel/Entering-Germany/Duties-and-taxes/Temporary-importation-of-a-vehicle/temporary-importation-of-a-vehicle_node.html>Still had the airbags and original 3 point belts, point is invalid.Can you prove that the extreme aero package that includes a removeable front splitter extension, an adjustable dual-element rear wing, four dive planes, six removable diffuser strakes, removable brake ducts, and removable hood louvers, and if removed, will reveal a hood gap. passes TUV inspection?>just as if not more legal than the red 06 exemption plate on the N-Attack.So the GTR is street legal and therefore valid then.>7:01 > 7:08Sure, I am not debating that the Viper isn't faster, I want you to prove that it is street legal.
>>28111642Vipers are cool
>>28113189>No it wasn't, Can you prove the rollcage and the racing seat are TUV approved?Given they were installed prior to their arrival, yes they must have been.>When a car is temporarely imported The nationality plate must be displayed as well as the national registration number plate, which is the oval US plate this Corvette has. The Viper didn't have this nationality plateUS flags are present on both flanks.>Can you prove that the extreme aero package that includes a removeable front splitter extension, an adjustable dual-element rear wing, four dive planes, six removable diffuser strakes, removable brake ducts, and removable hood louvers, and if removed, will reveal a hood gap. passes TUV inspection?Other ACRs registered in Germany have them, so yes they are.>So the GTR is street legal and therefore valid then.It is not. The red 06 plates are used if the car isn't street legal to temporarily drive it around without EU type approval.>Sure, I am not debating that the Viper isn't faster, I want you to prove that it is street legal.It is. Just because you don't want it to be suddenly doesn't make it that.
>>28111968>Doesn't chance the fact it's a financial failureSports cars are rarely profitable. There's a reason why there's a gigantic price gap between the shitbox coupe and a fast car. The most that most drivers can afford is lateral G and not longitudinal G.
>>28113189C7 ZR1 was lapping without a nationality sticker, also asking a German about that and he said it's not been a thing since around 2004. DEBOOONKED
>>28111658how is the viper a better car? last gen vipers are unobtainium, its horrible to daily drive, and you're only gonna have a harder time getting parts for them over the years, while the gtr is awd with 4 seats, proper interior space, great longevity and build quality, and was made for longer. And now you can find them for $50k used. Not to mention gtrs go head to head with vipers at the top level of time attack and drag racing despite being heavier with a smaller engine
>>28113544>Given they were installed prior to their arrivalSo thery wouldn't be legal if the owner wanted to stay for over 6 months or if a German citizen wanted to buy a Viper?>US flags are present on both flanks.and?, that's not the nationality plate>Other ACRs registered in Germany have them,proofs?>It is not.>if the car isn't street legal How come dealership use those same plates for test drives? Are test drive cars given to customer prospects>It is. You literally just accepted that it isn't lolzEven if it were street legal, it is not production / modified, as no Viper ACR trim comes with a RaceTech aftermarket seat, a rollcage and less sound deadning, the record is for a modified Viper, not a production. Meanwhile Nissan offered the same parts they used to lap the ring to customers as confirmed by PistonHeads lolz>>28113569The c8 had it >>28113189 , glad you accept the C7 ZR1 wasn't street legal either lolz
>>28113619>Are test drive cars given to customer prospects not street legal*
>>28113619>So thery wouldn't be legal if the owner wanted to stay for over 6 months or if a German citizen wanted to buy a Viper?A cage can be legal in specific circumstances, and for the 'Ring if it's certified by TUV it's ok.>and?, that's not the nationality plateThe "nationality plate" hasn't been a thing for 20 years.>proofs?See photo>How come dealership use those same plates for test drives? Are test drive cars given to customer prospectsDealership plates are used for test drives prior to the vehicle being sold or owners/employees of said dealership.>You literally just accepted that it isn't lolzI did not.>the record is for a modified Viper, not a productionThe record is for a production Viper. Nigsan cope won't change that.>Meanwhile Nissan offered the same parts they used to lap the ring to customers as confirmed by PistonHeads lolzInstalling non-street legal parts after the fact doesn't make them suddenly street legal. Britain basically doesn't give a fuck about what mods you do as long as it passes MOT, and Japan allows modified cars to pass shaken if they've got the supporting legality paperwork for parts.>The c8 had itFunny that the ZR1 didn't.
>>28113679>A cage can be legal in specific circumstancesSO can 6 point harnesses and a hood gurney flap, yet /o/ believes that makes the GTR Nismo not street legal even when there are pics of Kit A N Attacks driving on the street.>The "nationality plate" hasn't been a thing for 20 years.Why was Chevy forced to get one for the C8?>See photoThe car you just posted has the removable hood louvers on, the Viper that set the record did not, Probably because takeing off the louvers means it won't pass thr TUV>Dealership plates are used for test drives prior to the vehicle being sold or owners/employees of said dealership.These cares being street legal>I did not.You said the Viper ACR was only legal for 6 months>The record is for a production Viper.What Viper comes stock with RaceTech seats, less sound deadning and a rollcage?>Installing non-street legal parts after the fact doesn't make them suddenly street legal.Glad you accept the Viper with RaceTech seats, a rollcage and less sound deadning isn't street legal
>>28113699>https://media.stellantisnorthamerica.com/newsrelease.do?id=17086&mid=>ACR-exclusive interior appointments>The instrument panel cluster hood, lower instrument panel and door armrest panels of the race-inspired interior are wrapped in unique Alcantara suede. A new, ACR-exclusive Alcantara wrapped high-grip steering wheel with color racing stripe and unique badging sets the ACR apart from other production models. New high-grip seats also carry the Alcantara inserts, while the unique dash plaque is finished in carbon fiber. Customers can choose between silver or Header Red accent stitching throughout the interior. Damn, how come the ACR package doesn't include a RaceTech seat, less sound deadning and a rollcage??? Even better,I thought 6 point harnesses made the Kit A N-Attack illegal to be driven on the street, how come the Viper is street legal when it had aftermarket 6 point harnesses?????
>>28113699>SO can 6 point harnesses and a hood gurney flap, yet /o/ believes that makes the GTR Nismo not street legal even when there are pics of Kit A N Attacks driving on the street.Because the lap was done with a prototype that Nissan only admitted they would replicate for customers after getting called out for it.>Why was Chevy forced to get one for the C8?Erring on the side of caution. Dodge never got them for their Viper attempts, and Ford didn't either>The car you just posted has the removable hood louvers on, the Viper that set the record did not, Probably because takeing off the louvers means it won't pass thr TUVSee photo, car is registered in Estonia but that makes it EU/TUV compliant>You said the Viper ACR was only legal for 6 monthsI did not. You're the one insisting that somehow a record is invalid once the car is exported.>What Viper comes stock with RaceTech seats, less sound deadning and a rollcage?Those two did, off the showroom floor.>Glad you accept the Viper with RaceTech seats, a rollcage and less sound deadning isn't street legalIt is, the Nigsan 1-of-1 prototype isn't.
>>28113741>lap was done with a prototypeWhy would Nissan spend time and money developing a kit and not sell it lolz>only admitted they would replicate for customers after getting called out for it.Except that's wrong you fucking retard, in the first 2013 press release Nissan stated the laptime was done with an optional track package.https://gtr-registry.com/en-r35-nismo.php#NismoMY15AnnouncementPressRelease>Erring on the side of caution. Dodge never got them for their Viper attempts, and Ford didn't eitherSo it's necessary and Dodge and Ford broke the law.>car is registered in Estonia but that makes it EU/TUV compliantThe N-attack built by RJN Motorsport in the UK is also EU/TUV compliant then, specially because it was built before brexit.>I did not. You admit the Viper has modifications that aren't offered by Dodge>Those two did, off the showroom floor.Nope, Dodge had nothing to do with the attempt it was Texas dealership Viper Exchange who modified those cars using aftermarket parts. Dodge doesn't offer RaceTech seats>It isNone of the cars you've posted come with RaceTech seats or a rollcage or a 6 point harness>Nissan isn't.poorfs?
>>28113679>>28113699The red 06 plates are only for dealers or other professionals working with cars. The dealer plates are meant to be able move around vehicleson public roads without having to register every single one. The dealer gets a set of plates and a small book where he has to write down when he used them on which car. They can be moved around and used on any unregistered vehicle.They are exempt from any kind of inspection because a professional should know when a vehicle is save to be used on public roads.These vehicles can be modified and no one needs to check that. But the dealer can be find and lose the right to have these platea when he is speeding or when he uses rhe plates on unsave vehicles. Modified vehicles are also seen as unsave because the modifications are not checked by an engineer.Another special thing about germany: they can use the FIA rulebook to check any modifications as roadworthy.A full rollcage with bucket seats is perfectly road legal for a factory new car in germany.
>>28113753These test mules are street legal in germany, they are used quite late in development of a new model but by that time its a road legal car with a proper registration.>part of that testing is sending a new model over the Nordschleife for 2000km under racing conditions to stress test it.Thats about 100 laps, 20km each.
>>28113746>Why would Nissan spend time and money developing a kit and not sell it lolzNigsan is the same company that spend millions on a retarded FF LMP1 car>Except that's wrong you fucking retard, in the first 2013 press release Nissan stated the laptime was done with an optional track package.The 7:08 lap was done with aero and ECM/TCM that wasn't available on the MY2015 Nismo. >So it's necessary and Dodge and Ford broke the law.They did not.>The N-attack built by RJN Motorsport in the UK is also EU/TUV compliant then, specially because it was built before brexit.Which is why there aren't any Nismo N-Attacks driving around in Germany>You admit the Viper has modifications that aren't offered by DodgeThe cage is the same one developed by Chrysler, it's a factory part. Seat was changed for safety on the track and to use the 6 point harness.>Nope, Dodge had nothing to do with the attempt it was Texas dealership Viper Exchange who modified those cars using aftermarket parts. Dodge doesn't offer RaceTech seatsStill street legal, and Mintgen Motorsports did the compliance work.>None of the cars you've posted come with RaceTech seats or a rollcage or a 6 point harnessNo GT-R Nismos in 2013/14 came with the larger wing, hood gurney, dedicated ECM/TCM, carbon diffs, Ohlins shocks, or any of the other N-Attack parts.>poorfs?Car was a prototype with an exemption plate and parts that weren't legal or available to customers.
>>28113773>Nigsan is the same company that spend millions on a retarded FF LMP1 carThat lapped La Sarthe faster than a C7.R kek, The Corvette is slower than a Nissan FWD car kek.>The 7:08 lap was done with aero and ECM/TCM that wasn't available on the MY2015 Nismo.And? Several manufacturers set laptimes on vehicles before they were made avaliable for sale. this guy pretty much confirmed it >>28113757>They did not.You said they were "risking it">Which is why there aren't any Nismo N-Attacks driving around in GermanyThat's because no one in Germany bought one>It's Nissan's fault no one in Germany bought an N-Attack!!>The cage is the same one developed by Chryslersource?????>it's a factory part. The N-Attack kit is a factory kit developed by Nissan, so if the cage in the Viper is considered "production", then so is the N-Attack package>Seat was changed for safety on the track That seat is also ligher and they also removed the roof sound deadning to fit the cage, what production trim Viper came with those? >and to use the 6 point harness.So 6 point harnesses are legal? That makes the Kit A N-Attack legal then>Mintgen Motorsports did the compliance work.source?????
>>28113784kek you can't make this shit up, a FWD GTR is faster than a Corvettehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_24_Hours_of_Le_Mans#Qualifying_results
>slower than FWD
>>28113794>a FOUR WHEEL DRIVE lemans prototype is faster than a gt3nigga u dum as hell
>>28113815>Four Wheel DriveThe Hybrid system that was meant to power the rear wheels wasn't wprking.https://youtu.be/mccX0y3FTBE?si=2VA3EvQtm4v8EDKo&t=643
>>28113834it worked it just was broken most of the time because they couldn't get the right power balance out of it, still the cars are in monstrously different classes that don't race each other, that's like saying an F22 is faster then a King Air, or a shinkansen is faster than amtrak like no shit, retard.
>>28113838>it workedNo it didn't, didn't you see the video I posted? they deactivated the hybrid system and homologated it to the 2MJ class, plus the hybrid system that was meant to power the rear wheels never happened, the original hybrid system would power the front wheels, it didn't have any driveshafts to the rear wheels>n-no actual-shut up retard, you aren't more knowledgeable than B Sport, the guy that made the video I posted>still the cars are in monstrously different classes that don't race each other,It isn't Nissan's fault GM couldn't make an LMP1 car at the time
>>28113847they deactivated the hybrid system specifically because they had weird power differential between front and rear and the car was dangerous, they dropped it down a class because without the hybrid assist it couldn't compete in lmp1 like designed, obviously they would take the unused driveshafts out that's free speed, and on top of that i don't watch youtube videos from gay people. >It isn't Nissan's fault GM couldn't make an LMP1 car at the timewhy would americans make an lmp? we have daytona prototypes instead.
>>28113852>they deactivated the hybrid system specificallySo it was FWD when it did these times >>28113794> they dropped it down a class because without the hybrid assist it couldn't compete in lmp1 like designed,No they didn't dummy, the class under LMP1 is LMP2 and it didn't compete against LMP2 cars, it competed in the LMP1 class.>obviously they would take the unused driveshafts outSo it was FWD>gay people.Literally a ex-F1 engineer but ok>why would americans make an lmp?Oh right, GM can't compete>we have daytona prototypes instead.Back then Daytona protos were slower>Corvette is slower than FWDkek!
>>28114330>>28113847>>28113795Stop ban evading ś/o/yviet put your trip back one so your posts can be deleted again kek
>>28114406Who?
>ARGH IT'S HIM!!!>IT'S MY BOOGEYMAN!!!
>>28113784>That lapped La Sarthe faster than a C7.R kek, The Corvette is slower than a Nissan FWD car kek.No shit a dedicated prototype is faster than a GT car, only retards act like that isn't the case>And? Several manufacturers set laptimes on vehicles before they were made avaliable for sale. this guy pretty much confirmed itNigsan only made the N-Attack package available after getting called out for claiming it was just a regular Nismo. "Always intended to sell to customers" is marketing speak for "we fucked up">You said they were "risking it"I did not.>That's because no one in Germany bought oneAlmost as if it isn't TUV legal>source?????The Viper team>The N-Attack kit is a factory kit developed by Nissan, so if the cage in the Viper is considered "production", then so is the N-Attack packageSee earlier point.>That seat is also ligher and they also removed the roof sound deadning to fit the cage, what production trim Viper came with those?Those two did>So 6 point harnesses are legal? That makes the Kit A N-Attack legal thenIt is not.>source?????The Viper team
>>28113847>No it didn't, didn't you see the video I posted?It functioned without the hybrid, that counts as "working".>they deactivated the hybrid system and homologated it to the 2MJ classThe car was homologated in the 8MJ class>plus the hybrid system that was meant to power the rear wheels never happened, the original hybrid system would power the front wheels, it didn't have any driveshafts to the rear wheelsThe hybrid was always meant to power the rear wheels. They got around the driveshaft issue by placing the MGUs directly on the rear hubs. The hybrid system functioned on the test bench and reportedly produced 700+hp, during testing it was revealed that it suffered oil starvation in cornering. That's why it was disconnected.>shut up retard, you aren't more knowledgeable than B Sport, the guy that made the video I postedSam Collins, Marshall Pruett, and Graham Goodwin certainly do.
>>28111642The GRT is a mass produced car that you actually see often. Snek was never mass produced and they’re just rotting in boomer garages.
>>28111642The HR-T is a weeblet car, its a V6 from an ailtima with a turbo charger and a pogfat awd system
>>28114582>No shit a dedicated prototype is faster than a GT carIt isn't Nissan's fault GM can't compete in LMP1> only made the N-Attack package available after getting called out for claiming it was just a regular Nismo.Except that's wrong you fucking retard, the original 2013 press release stated that the 7:08 laptime was done with an optional track package, pic rel. here retard >>28113746https://gtr-registry.com/en-r35-nismo.php#NismoMY15USAPressReleasefucking retard lolz>I did not. You did here >>28113741>Erring on the side of caution.>Almost as if it isn't TUV legalHow come Nissan offered the N-Attack to customers in Europe then? Is Germany not in Europe? lolzhttps://www.gtrlife.com/threads/will-the-nismo-gt-r-and-n-attack-package-be-released-in-europe.103398/?post_id=1448842&nested_view=1&sortby=oldest#post-1448842https://www.gtrlife.com/threads/gtr-nismo-n-attack-package-official-info-pricing.103074/#replies-header>The Viper teamI asked them and they told me the rollcage wasn't developed by Chrysler, Do you have any document or video that states otherwise?>See earlier point.kek all your "earlier points" have been deboonked>Those two didSo they were specially modified to lap the ring? and later never offered to any customers, as Chrysler never built any more Vipers with RaceTech seats, a Rollcage and a 6 point harness? I thought that was considered cheating?>B-But it's bad only when Nissan does it!!!lolz>It is not.So the modified Viper wasn't street legal, as they were using 6 point harnesses lolz >>28113702>The Viper teamI asked the Viper Team and they told me Mintgen Motorsport isn't a subsidiary of Chrysler and they do not have a contract with Chrysler to modify Vipers. >>28114623
>>28115067>It functioned without the hybridThe rear wheels drive didn't get any power without the hybrid system, retard>The car was homologated in the 8MJ classAnd? the 8 MJ class isn't below or above the 6 MJ, 4MJ or 2MJ classes retard, what you said here >>28113852 is wrong because you are fucking stupid, they didn't drop it down a class, because it still was labeled as an LMP1 carfucking dumbass>The hybrid was always meant to power the rear wheels.Not initially, they later decided to do so using a series of driveshafts>by placing the MGUs directly on the rear hubs.It didn't have MGU because it stored energy in kinetic form, dumbass https://www.racecar-engineering.com/cars/nissan-gt-r-lm-nismo/>Unlike Audi, Porsche and Toyota who all use electrical hybrid systems with MGU’s and an energy storage system, the Nissan merges both of these into one purely mechanical device. The energy is stored in two contra rotating flywheels, mounted along with their integral transmission into a void at the front of the monocoque under the drivers legs.>It transmits drive to the rear wheels via a large shaft which runs right through the centre of the chassis. Not an obvious approach and sadly one that proved ultimately not to work.>Sam CollinsI already quoted him and he proved you wrong, the car didn't send power to the rear wheels during the LeMans race.
>>28115068>It didn't have MGU because it stored energy in kinetic form, dumbasscorrection, it didn't have MGU at the rear because the MGU was at the front, it was supposed to send power to the rear with driveshafts.
>>28114772the TRT is faster than anything BMW you 17" wheel ricer
>>28111642>No street legal GT-R has gone faster than KING SNEKSeveral GT3 GTRs have
>>28115067>It isn't Nissan's fault GM can't compete in LMP1LMP1 is dead, and GM competes just fine in GTP/Hypercar>Except that's wrong you fucking retard, the original 2013 press release stated that the 7:08 laptime was done with an optional track package,"Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn says this is the fastest Nissan GT-R ever. "With a 7:08.679 lap time, we can authoritatively say that the Nissan GT-R Nismo holds the volume production car lap record at the Nürburgring Nordschleife, which is the gold standard of high performance achievement"And the only "track package" available in 2014 was the Track Edition, *not* the N-Attack.>How come Nissan offered the N-Attack to customers in Europe then? Is Germany not in Europe? lolzClearly no one wanted them then>I asked them and they told me the rollcage wasn't developed by Chrysler, Do you have any document or video that states otherwise?I asked them 2 years ago and they said it was. Deboonked.>kek all your "earlier points" have been deboonkedNah>So they were specially modified to lap the ring? and later never offered to any customers, as Chrysler never built any more Vipers with RaceTech seats, a Rollcage and a 6 point harness? I thought that was considered cheating?Nah>So the modified Viper wasn't street legal, as they were using 6 point harnesses lolzThey are street legal in Germany as mentioned here>>28113753>I asked the Viper Team and they told me Mintgen Motorsport isn't a subsidiary of Chrysler and they do not have a contract with Chrysler to modify Vipers.I asked Mintgen and they said they were a team that worked with Chrysler starting in the late 1990s/early 2000s with the GTS R and Competition Coupe.
>>28115068>The rear wheels drive didn't get any power without the hybrid system, retardCongrats on repeating what I said earlier>And? the 8 MJ class isn't below or above the 6 MJ, 4MJ or 2MJ classes retard, what you said here >>28113852 is wrong because you are fucking stupid, they didn't drop it down a class, because it still was labeled as an LMP1 carFirst off, wrong person. Second off, if you knew anything about the LMP1 days you'd know that the hybrid class had those MJ options, and that if you entered a higher MJ class your ICE power was limited. It's why Audi entered the 6MJ class. Fucking dumbass.>Not initially, they later decided to do so using a series of driveshaftsThe car development was always intended to be AWD from the outset, like I said.>It didn't have MGU because it stored energy in kinetic form, dumbass The flywheel KERS is an MGU, dumbass>I already quoted him and he proved you wrong, the car didn't send power to the rear wheels during the LeMans race.Which is what I said already here>>28114623
