what happened /o/? I thought you wanted a turbo Miata. Why did you let her fail?
>>28114887Sorry for not buying a brand new sports car when I was 12
>>28114889Pretty much this
>>28114887Well, Mazda still can make a Miata with the 2.5 turbo, or even an n/a 2.5 with a higher redline like the ND2 2.0, I'm not stopping them.
>>28114887Sorry for not buying an ugly-as-sin roadster when attractive roadsters exist.
>>28114887Sorry for not buying this car when i was 3-8 years old
>>28114887>Why did you let her fail?Because real men wrench and mod anything we care to. If you're helpless then kill yourself.
>>28115020Post your modded car
They weighed 2,900 lbs to the Miata's 2,200#. At least there was an LSD available and dbl wishbones on all 4. I've never driven one so I can't pass any real judgement, but I always saw them as miatas for women lol.
>>28114887I don't drive droptops.
>>28115328There was a coupe.
Is the Opel GT a good car?
>>28115571Cute car!
>>28114887but I have a turbo miata
>>28114887my best friend had the sky and my brother had the srt-4 crossfire. never had a cool car ever. when they had those i had an s10. the guy that had the sky got a few duis. not with that car just in general i could blog post but whatever. the crossfire was cool
>>28114887This is just an uglier/heavier VX220 / Opel Speedster
>>28114887i've bought (and sold) the real turbo Miata
>>28115772I have bought my turbo Miata a month ago and by God I'll love her until death do us apart. Why did you sell her?
>>28115772>>28115817How is it?How does it drive?I've been very impressed by the 1.4 multiair in my friend's car and I imagine it must be really good in a lightweight roadster.
>>28114887I had one till a fat broad pulled out in front of me last year. Still have all the forged internal bits for the full send motor I was doing. I won't buy another because its getting harder and harder to find parts for them and overall build quality is shitty 2000's gm. Going to still build the full send motor, just shoving it into an exocet now instead.Having driven one for an extended period of time the ride is rough, the handling sucks stock without a quarter inch thick trans tunnel brace to stop the massive chassis flexing and the Aisen transmission tends to shit itself above 400 wheel pretty quick. Soft-top was also a nightmare of gm bullshit because some exec absolutely refused to have it fold into the trunk as one piece for 'aesthetics'.
>>28115691you were doing good till you posted the pic of the chinaman mishimoto radiator. You have dishonored your ancestors.
>>28114887They Sky Looked better over all in my opinion, but I had an 80's Shitbox at the time I could not afford a new car
>>28115751Not really? The VX220/Opel Speedster is mid engined and mostly a Lotus Elise underneath. Just because they're both GM 2 seaters from a similar time doesn't mean they have anything to do with each other.
>>28114942They wont, the 2.5 is too much engine for a tiny miata, 300ft-lbs of torque at 2200rpm would get the kind of people that buy them into trouble quickly. Also mazda 3 turbos blows up the rear diff all the time, they would have to invest in putting stronger parts into everything if people are going to run that engine in a sports car. The AT gearbox on the mazda3 doesn't let you red line the car, it generally tries to stay under 5000rpm; I have a feeling mazda knows the motor will grenade if they let you go to 6-7k rpm.
>>28115855>How is it?>How does it drive?It's my first car of that kind so it's obviously amazing to my eyes both in terms of handling and engine. To be fair the engine doesn't have much pull below 3k RPM, and for peak fuel "efficiency" you gotta shift as soon as you hit 2k RPM, just so you know.What I can comment on is how good Fiata looks, especially with her tan interiors. If you ever get one remember to get a Lusso with full LED headlights (you can tell because of the three segments) as they are adaptive, and the Bose system, which is extremely helpful as calls and satnav indications are routed through the headrest speakers.Speaking of satnav, Fiat has stopped supporting the system so I'm struggling a bit with the outdated maps. The solution is to hack the firmware and install Android/Apple integration, but it's a bit of a process.
Global sales of the miata averages about 10,000 units.Since it debuted.So every year there's only 10,000 people on the entire planet that wanted a miata.More people bought V8 Cobra II's.Pontiac Aztec was the biggest flop in automotive history and they still sold 27,700 its first year.
>>28115919Oh, I was wondering about the handling characteristics compared to other popular roadsters.I know that engine is gutless down low, it also gets horrible fuel economy for it's displacement, but, at least in 170hp form, manages to be one of the best sounding 4cyls I've heard, second only to f20. It also feels full of character, it's a fun engine to drive hard, but horrible in city conditions.The Fiata is appealing to me because I know that engine can easily do 220hp with basic mods, up to 270 if you go for bigger turbo and that would be alot of fun in a rwd 1000kg roadster.
>>28115945You can't even get a test drive in one because new miata's are so rare here, they are sold before they even get to the dealership. It's hard to get sales when your business model is to keep it exclusive on purpose.
>>28114887Anyone driven an R170 SLK? Are they as based as they look?
>>28115984I haven't actually driven one, but everyone I know who had one say they're pretty shit.The classifieds seem to agree, as low-mileage well-kept r170s cost half of high-mileage poverty spec r171s over here.
>>28115972>170hp formKeep in mind that's the Abarth version: the sound is both due to a different mapping and a different exhaust. In other words it's a party trick. Yes, mileage is bad: I've gone through two full tanks now and I average 7l/100km, or 34mpg give or take. She's my daily so I drive a healthy mix of highway, daily intercity commute, daily traffic jam and some actual city driving. Expect the Abarth to be even worse on that front.Personally I don't believe in fast cars with lots of hp: simply put there's no way to legally enjoy them without going to a track. I can barely enjoy my Fiata because of speed limits imposed by either law or circumstance. However once you get on some twisty road it's amazing regardless of speed: I had the chance to drive on hill roads open top in the last day of sun here and I had a blast, just to realize I never went past 70km/h.
>>28115898>The styling for the Sky, penned by Franz von Holzhausen, was based on the Opel Speedster's design. It was available in some European markets as the Opel GT.
>>28116033My experience with that engine comes from a friend's Giuletta with the 170hp version, I've never heard the Abarth in person.Check if the non-Abarth Fiata has the 1446 turbo, if so, you're a remap away from 200hp.Are the speed limits actually enforced that seriously where you live? I'm lucky enough to live in a med country, so open-top weather all year and speed limits are more like speed suggestions. I used to shun verts, but ever since I got one I can't see myself not having one anymore.>>28116038Other than some styling bits, they're nothing alike, completely different kinds of car.
>>28114887>turbo 'miata'>40% heavier than a miata>weighs more than a boxster>heavier than even the pig z4>bigger and heavier than a miata, but somehow manages to have even less space
>>28116038>the styling is similar so it's the same carLiteral kindergarten-tier take
>>28116057>>28116044>It was just designed to be like it, but it's nothing like it.There's more to a car than the powerplant and drivetrain, you spergs. Besides it's a bloated piece of shit that's neither one thing nor the other.
>>28116066>moves goalposts to infinity I accept your capitulation, dilettante
>>28114887I don't even like miatas, but I think an actual miata with a turbo would be better in every single conceivable way than a solstice. Weren't they way heavier than necessary? Like heavier than an S2000?
>>28115898>>28116057>>28116082Thje opel gt was just a rebadged solstice sky from 07-10. Not sure why you guys are argueing since it's well know the kappa chassis used in the solstice and sky was also made for the opel gt in the same era only they got the turbocharged 2.0 ecotec and never had to mess with the anemic 2.4 na ecotec.The opel speedster ended production in 05 and was developed along side the lotus elise.Opel in fact made two different roadsters from 00-10 and halfway through switched to a rebadged solstice/sky after making the elise rebadge.You should know of what you talk before inserting that foot deep in there.
>>28116066>this mid-engine Lotus coupe/t-top is the same as this GM front-engine rwd roadster
>>28116044I remember about you in the Miata general. Yeah, it's the same engine. I'm pasta, speed limits are a suggestion here, sure, but often they're a good suggestion, not mentioning speed traps and random police patrol ambushing overspeeding cars. Also, I don't want to drive like the average Audi asshole, so I try to behave. That being said, unless you're on a highway, there's hardly the space to go fast, and speeding on a highway is boring as fuck if you ask me.Last but not least, flooring it burns a lot of fuel compared to gently cruising and gas ain't cheap.
>>28116118go see >>28116111 I broke it down there, the speedster and gt were two different chassis tandem developed with two different other cars. The other poster didn't bother to come equipped with the knowledge that the car he was thinking of (the gt) was different than the car your thinking of (the speedster), but gm did in fact rebadge a solstice/sky for sale. They did that right after stopping production on the speedster.
>>28116123I've never had a Miata and never been in the Miata general.I've owned several roadsters, but I have a preference for bigger engines.Also hello neighbour, denbt here.>>28116125I know anon, I was actually in the market for an opel gt a year ago as it seems really good for it's price here, but it has a fucking 5speed, hood operation is a joke, the interior quality is USDM and whoever designed it hated storage space more than Hitler hated jews.
>>28116082>moves goalpostsNot at all
>>28116038Oh wow, they're both sporty 2-seaters drawn by the same guy for the same brand. 100% the same car confirmed.
>>28116149>moves them againWhy are you still here? The speedster isn't the same car as the solstice/sky, why are you still arguing this? What do you gain?
>>28116175Kek you are such a fucking faggot geography teacher.
>>28114887looks gay
>281162100/10 bait
>>28115024Post yours faggot
Why have that when you can have this?
>>28115992Do you remember what they disliked about it?
>>28116100Mazda tried it with the Mazdaspeed NB but they made the turbo too small and the gearing fucking stupid.Biggest problem with the Solstice/Sky at least in USA: Can't install a rollbar without cutting into the interior heavily or doing a full cage. Makes it ineligible for most track/AutoX events as it doesn't have adequate rollover protection otherwise (like most Euro Convertibles, think Mercedes and BMWs with the pop-up roll bar)
>>28116271The transmission's gearing is fine, they just gave it the wrong final drive. The Australian MX-5 SP (their Mazdaspeed) used a 3.6:1 final drive ratio instead of a 3.9 and it transforms the car. Very common mod for Mazdaspeed owners and I have that ring and pinion set on the way for my NB right now.
>>28115980It's not "exclusive".They know people are going to test drive it and then buy something else.Inflating the numbers just means they'll have leftover inventory sitting around.In all of its history there is zero instances of someone saying :"I wanted to buy a new miata but couldn't get the dealer to sell me one".They actually shut down production before the new model almost every year because nobody is buying what's already produced.
>>28116277I think the other problem is Mazda EMS is notoriously closed source. Its why the best mod to do to them other than changing the final drive is switching to MSPNP. Other cars from that era you could simply reflash the ECU.
>>28114887>I thought you wanted a turbo Miatano one wanted that
>>28115902Ok, then the n/a 2.5 with the same treatment 2.0 got when going from ND1 to ND2
>>28116279I've been asking my local dealer for a test drive for a year now. Every time they tell me they'll call me when they're in. >>28116228I wish we got these here in NA. I wish we got anything fun, everything is fucking gay or super expensive.
>>28115862the whole build is chinese senpai
>>28114887How do those giant fuck tires make these feel
>>28116559They're 245/45r18s which isn't that big these days, they just look big on the Kappa cars as they're fairly small.
>>28116219>y-you first!Trad larper detected, opinion discarded, concession accepted
>>28115945the claim>average 10k units [per year?] since debutthe facts>over 1 million miatas sold>35 yearsYou might want to recheck your work.
>>28114887fruity lookin Austin Power's lookin ahhh automobile
>>28116784>ahhhgo back to tiktok
>>28116762>they have always sold the same number every year
>>28116830>since debut
>>28116830Do you know what "average" means?
>Pontiac version was ugly>fat
>>28116033>mileage is bad: >34mpg give or takeI bought a 2020 RF GT miata in August and I've been writing down odometer and how many gallons I put in it. It's not a daily driver. Here are the results:Gal. ODO MPG9.139 12,361 26.80818479.965 12,636 27.596588069.146 12,926 31.707850439.3 13,193 28.709677429.663 13,457 27.32070785tl;dr I'm averaging 28.4 mpg so, 34 doesn't sound that bad.
>>28117066bro I get 15 in my turbo na on a good day
>>28116044>My experience with that engine comes from a friend's Giuletta with the 170hp version, I've never heard the Abarth in person.I'm looking at MiTo with that engine. What do you guys think about it?
>>28114887>Why did you let her fail?Because car companies are stupid."Here is our sports car! It can do less and won't have as much support as all other cars we offer. You can buy it for twice as much as our biggest car!"
>>28116285Hello fellow MSbro
>>28117470I think it fits the character of a small hatch such as the Mto very well.Make sure to get the QV with the 170hp, the other specs have a smaller turbo so they're not as tuneable.Tranny options, get the manual. The TCT is great for stoplight races, but not much else. It's a bit rough in city driving and basically never in the right gear when driving fast, it will leave you out of torque curve in a turn, it's like it was made for a different engine with more low-down torque and just paired to the 1.4 with no changes. Also, downshifts are kinda slow when using the paddles. Also, make sure to get a post-2012 model as earlier ones had issues.The Mto can be fun, though a bit twitchy when driven hard. The main downside I'd say is the 'Fiat-group parts bin' feeling in the interior.
>>28117670QV is a bit too expensive, I was thinking of getting the 155 horsepower one, if the turbo is the only difference I don't mind since I'm not planning on taking it above 200hp. As for the interior it looks fine to me (at least in pictures)
>>28114938holy shit that's ugly>>28115540that's worse!>>28115772how much better does that look?>>28115884not as bad, but still the same basic car design with the huge bezels around the screen>>28116228significantly better, but the windshield is so... oddly thick
>>28117679155hp is not a Multiair engine, it's a T-jet, still a Fire engine block, but doesn't have the Multiair variable valve timing+lift system.Multiair Mtos came with 135hp and the QV 170hp.I'm not familiar with the t-jet models, but it was a very ubiquitous engine across the whole fiat group in it's time.
>>28117703I thought that it was the same engine, I'll need to look into it further. Thanks
>>28117710It's the same 1368cc block. It's almost the same engine, but it lacks the Multiair unit.Multiair is basically Valvetronic but even more overengineered, but somehow, some way, it wasn't catastrophically unreliable, well, after 2012 that is.
>>28117718I've been reading some forum where a guy asked whether to get 135 or 155 and they said that 155 is the more fun car to drive due to bigger brakes and 6 speed tranny. How much would I be missing compared to QV if I got a tune on the 155?
>>28117725Not sure what turbo's on the older t-jet ones, but I'll assume it's the same 1446 as the qv.Again, not very familiar with the t-jet models, but just from talking to owners in late-night cars meets and street races, they should be a little bit over 200 with the core intake/catless dp/intercooler/tune mods. Most of those were Abarth Grande Puntos though, but it should be the same engine.They seem to be safe up to 270 on stock internals with a td04 or 2860 setup. I assume the internals are the same but I don't know for sure.There are a few madlads with built engines that push 400+, nuts for such small engines.A local tuner also had a multiair Giuleta pushing 360 on stock internals but it didn't last long...protip: when researching tuneability of smaller engines, look at what tuning shops are doing in countries with displacement taxes.
>>28115540>There was a coupe.Rare edition of a rare car. I'd rather have a Crossfire so I could hemi swap it.
>>28114887But I have a turbo miata.>>28115691Based
>>28119456>not going the bolt-in M113K route
