Not up for debate. Negs the Camaro, and lets not talk about Mustangs, not even worth mentioning.
is this the thread?
>>28196866Absolutely disgusting to look at
>>28196863yes
fun fact: PT Cruiser shift knobs will fit any Charger or Challenger with the 2015+ ZF8 t-bar shifter.the PTGT has a unique chrome one that matches the silver finish on the LD/LA cars' interior trim. You can find them for free at nearly any junkyard.
>>28196866
>>28196861yeah because on tarmac the mustang is faster and on track
>>28196894with less horse power btw
>>28196894>>28196895the mustang is a pony car thoughbeit
>>28196900still faster in a straight line than this piece of shit based on an 30 year old mercedes e-class
>>28196900If we all agree that any muscle car that isn't Chally isn't a muscle car then we can all agree than Chally is the best muscle car
supposed "muscle" cars lose to a fucking pony car in a straight line kek
>>28196907is there some sub-10 second from the factory mustang I'm forgetting about?
>>28196961>prepped surface >on tarmac
>>28196970yeah it's called a dragstrip. The demon would smoke anything on the street too
>>28196975that's the funny thingit doesn't cus it only fast on the dragstrip
>>28196861>AnonymousYep so great. Lets not mention that every muscle car stopped being produced at one point or another Firebird, Camaro, GTO, Challenger, and a 4 door Charger (BAHAHAHA!) I repeat ALL have stopped production except the Mustang. Cope and seethe knowing that the Mustang is and will always be the best American Muscle car to EVER exist! I hope you become asphalt at one of your street takeovers. >Inb4 b but muh herspers, >Inb4 but muh fastest quarter mile time.
>>28196975https://youtu.be/mcQWMHYCrO8?t=535
m2 comp is actually the best muscle car
>>28196978it's fastest on the dragstrip, it's still faster than anything else on the street.>>28196987that's a regular hellcat, not a demon or red-eye or 170
>>28196990they have basically the same time on tarmac and are slower than the mustang all that power and nothing makes it to the ground
>then >all that weight and underoptimized power to road makes it a shitty car>now>all that weight and underoptimized power to road makes it a great muscle cari appreciate it a tad bit more, where every numuscle car for some reason now needs to be a track weapon
>>28196990snowflake fuel snowflake roadsnowflake tires
>>28197000>93>potholes>pilot sports dont make times
>>28196975>>28196990What do you mean by "on the street" though? Because we know you're not talking about trying to do a quarter mile on the street. Literally everyone knows it's impossible to launch any Dodge without traction compound.
>>28197017he is retarded that's what it is
>>28196861>Greatest Muscle Car EverHolden Monaro>Muscle car who doesn't crash in first bend . >Wasn't made for dragqueen racing .>Look like normal car , not show off like average american muscle car
>>28196961I'll never understand why no one else made a Hellcat fighter. The Hellcat and to lesser extent the Demon have been singlehandedly carrying the dodge brand for almost 10 years. Ford and Chevy always aimed at the track focused audience with the GT350, GT500, ZL1, Z06, ZR1, and they were flashes in the pan with no staying power. The C7 ZR1 and C8 Z06 are very very very popular and desirable exclusively among a miniscule little bubble. The rest, no one cares. I don't think many people even know the the ZL1 was still in production until last year. Americans like cheap power. No one gives a shit about the nurburgring. Whipple has probably sold more supercharger kits for the Mustang than Ford sold all Shelby cars in the last 10 years combined. Imagine how many factory boosted Mustangs Ford could have sold if they offered it.
>>28197032>gay gm jellybean shitbox from prison colony full of retardsnice 96 monte carlo fag next time get the dale one
>mopar kids mod their chally wallys with pt cruiser parts
>>28197049u like car for showoffs and niggers u should post in /lgbt/
>>28196975Look man, i fucking love this car, but these things DO NOT hook up well on the street.
>>28197062after you ma'am
>>28197071mad at what ? /o/ is full of fanboys/bus passengers who could not distinguish good car from bad even if u put gun to their heads
>>28197078
>>28197071>i-i-it's totally a gud car (it's not)>y-y-you're just MAD!!@!
>>28196984>Engineering is epic>Styling department needs to firedIt's like working hard and making it to the professional league only to aim the wrong way
>>28197083>bus passenger 2015: best muscle car is mustang , because it's only car I know>bus passenger 2025: best muscle car is challenger , because it's only car I know
>tfw your car is so good it makes people in other countries it isnt even sold in seethe
>>28196863Do they have that fuck ugly width to height ratio IRL or is this just a bad photo?
>>28197149i think that is an awd model so it rides higher than a normal one, they get the cop car springs iirc
>>28197154maybe the high waistline is what makes it look tall and weird. It looks like a car with a chopped roof but instead of chopping the roof they made the body taller.
>>28197161The high wasteline makes it really uncomfortable looking.I'd like to get one but every time I get close to one the waistline just puts me off of it.Maybe I'll just bite the bullet and buy a classic.
>>28197018>>28197017Street as in a paved surface. What r wider tiers???
>>28197161if you stand next to one irl you realize they're actually really low to the ground and they don't look so massive. next to nu-economy cars and suvs it's actually quite short, albeit needlessly long.it's got some deceptively "fat" styling like the viper that makes it look and feel larger than it really is, i think this is why the stock wheel sizes went up from 17-18 to 19-20, it corrects the proportions a bit.
>>28197149GT-R:>hold my beer....
As a europoor I’d love to buy a chally and turn it into an actual track worthy machine. But that 6.4L would literally drain my bank account :(
>>28197215the answer is a v6 with a ripp and aftermarket tcm
>>28197194Driving my widebody scat feels almost the same as driving a 1/2 ton when it comes to how wide it feels in the lane (and god knows, she weighs as much as a truck).
>>28197223I thought about it but we can’t buy the ripp supercharger over here
>>28197266If you can't get a supercharger then you should scrap the idea of a V6 Challenger all together. They're auto only and the shit head design means you can't use long tube headers to maximize the scavenging effect so NA gains are limited. You'd be much better off with an 5.7L R/T 6spd.
>>28196861>Greatest Muscle Car Ever>pic relatedThat's the wierdest looking twin supercharged AC Cobra I've ever seen.
>>28197224driving my v6 was like that for a while, the hull shape makes it hard to see the ground directly around you so it feels wider than the wheelbase actually is. i got used to it after i noticed the base model hood is styled in such a way that you can ensure perfect alignment in your lane as long as the left side lines on the road are being "inhaled" into the driver's side scoop.
>>28197269That's a rentastar head? Kek.
>>28197167Based. The new one's are pretty cool but they lack the svelte proportions of the original.
>>28197269uuuuhh… v6 chally poster, your statement?
>>28197266actually you should definitely get a v6, but not the 2012-2014 one, make sure it's a 2015-2017 with the zf8 but before they did the bcm security module shit>>28197269silence, specific powerlet
>>28197280>mfw i remember my pentastar has happy frogs shoop da whooping my exhaust
>>28197269>can't get a supercharger>NA gains are limited>>28197287>hurr specific powerLol, lmao even.
>>28197287>specific powerweird way to spell cope
>>28197308>can't get a supercharger for v6>ok so add 200 lbs of pig iron that requires 16 spark plugs and premium fuel you also cannot supercharge (or idle, or run too hard, or run too little, or etc etc etc) for a whopping +70 hp
>>28197316>start with more power>actually responds to mods>can get a manualCare to show us these sick NA build rentalsharts?
>>28196861>negro carnah the mustang mogs
>>28197335Mopar hid all the Pentastar performance bits in other cars because the V6 Chally sits in some emissions loophole where it can have the "least clean" Pentastar like a truck or jeep instead of the EGR-equipped minivan/suv one.so when other cars got updates the Challenger didn't, on purpose, so you can build it to go faster using OEM parts.
my PONY car (Camaro ss) can easily keep up with your wide body hellcat demon 170 redeye super duty king ranch btw
>>28197778You think so? You don't know shit pal. I'll race you any time, any where. Just let me go home and empty my gas tank and go to a gas station that has E85 and then fill up on that and then make sure my ECU is adjusting itself based on the change in gas. And then, after it is, I'll change out my normal wheels and tires for my racing set with really skinny front tires, and then I'll need to do a burnout or two, and then I have a broom so I can sweep any loose rocks or dirt or sand out of the way, and I have a can of traction compound to spray on the ground, and then I'll fucking smoke your ass.
>>28197798That's a lot of words to say "no I don't have a 10 second car"
>>28197778No it can't.
>"""""american car"""">Based off 90s mercedes e class chassis>built in brampton, ontario by poojeets>Known to be owned by typical suspects
>>28197843https://www.allpar.com/d3/history/interviews/burke-brown-lx.html>Sharing with Mercedes and the myth of the “old E Class”>At the time, and probably still, a lot of people think is that we were just given the old E-class stuff, and that’s not true at all. They were doing the new E-class, code named the 211, and they launched that one year before we launched the LX. They would invite us and we’d go over and we’d go on their two-day road trips around the neighborhood, you know, in the Autobahn in Germany and Austria development trips, with the new E-class. We’d participate in that and compare notes, because we basically modeled our suspension after that new 211 with a couple of things that we did differently.>The idea that we were just kind of given the old stuff, and that here you go, just take the old E-class and put your Dodge or Chrysler skin on it, that wasn’t it at all.
>>28197812imagine being this autistic
>>28196861>Greatest Muscle Car Ever>20+ year old Mercedes chassis>german transmissionSo the greatest muscle car ever is a frankenstein of Mercedes W211/W220 parts? I always knew they were muscle cars. Transmissions, rear gears, rear subframe, throttle bodies and likely more are all direct swaps into an E55 for instance. Older LX cars even used MB switchgear all the way down to the turn signal stalks, too. None of this is implied to be a bad thing at all either.
>>28197852i like how you linked and even greentexted a source that debunks this and the retard above me still parrots the same shit.
>>28197875>deboonkedRead >>28197872 again, you stupid motherfucker. Am I lying to you or do you believe some literal who engineer trying to quell angry boomers?How are parts like rear subframes, transmissions, rear diffs and switchgear being 100% plug and play not mean that it's an old E Class? I'll wait.
>>28197914>an engineer or some nigger on 4chan who wants his buy here pay here lot merc to be still seem relevanti think i'll side with the engineer.
>>28197914It's literally a parts bin special anon>W211 5-link rear suspension, W220 S-Class front control arms, and an E-Class rear differentialhttps://www.threads.net/@ottocrank/post/DBul_oQp0qR/dispelling-the-myth-of-the-dodge-charger-underpinningssince-the-dodge-chargers-r
>>28197914none of those parts are actually plug and playchrysler uses completely different plugs and switchgearthe geometry of suspension parts is different, notably the dodge suspension has a wider track width and an anti-roll bar on the rear the mercedes implementation does not have. like yes, technically you can put a mercedes lower control arm on a dodge charger but it won't drive straight afterwards.the front suspension of the LX actually comes from the Stratus (JA), which itself was based on the S-Class suspension design, but heavily modified for FWD.>>28197872none of this is correct. there are no actual daimler parts in any dodge.not even the turn signal stalks are mercedes parts. however they did share suppliers so the dodge parts do look the same, but are not actually compatiblehttps://www.allpar.com/d3/history/interviews/burke-brown-lx.html> Am I lying to you or do you believe some literal who engineer trying to quell angry boomers?you are a disgusting slimy worthless liar, a fool, a charlatan, and a nigger.allpar is definitive source for all things chrysler. burke brown isn't just an engineer he was the fucking lead of the entire LH and LX product lines. his word is as good as gold. YOU are a fucking literally who. get out of my thread.
>>28198531>>28198024https://www.allpar.com/threads/lh-and-lx-leader-burke-brown%E2%80%99s-cars.237012/here is another interview with this rather important gentleman you should read before you make a larger fool of yourself
>>28197189still won't fix the shit traction from the shit suspension and the shit chassis
>>28198624pure cope
>>28198628>just put on wider tires like in need for speed
>>28198629
>>28197049>nice 96 monte carloThanks bro, How's that 28% financing?
>>28198532what? That's just Burke Brown talking about his old cars
>>28198656I own my car, auskike. Take your li'l police state bootlickin liberal poofta ass the fuck outta my thread and take your slow jellybean pontiac with you.
Nah it's the 1979 Holden HZ Statesman SL/E. Chocolate brown paint with all beige suede interior with reading lamps and blinds on the back windows.
>>28198701what an angry mutt
>>28198790
The Chally is so true to origin, it must take credit for keeping the essence of muscle cars alive.Camaro and Mustang fell into this benchracing crap, ended up being uncomfortable and ugly.>>28197285Lol this is one interesting photograph.
>>28198793Agreed. For all it's chonky modern bodywork, it's still immediately recognisable as being related to it's progenitor. Easily the best "retro" design to come out of the 2000's.
>>28198804the original challenger was a "small" sports car of the time, the new one fills a grand tourer niche more like the original 2-door charger. it didn't get fat, it grew more muscle. and really it's not much of a difference, og challys were not exactly light cars either.
*mogs you in the quarter mile*
>>28198819Never said fat, I said chonky. Things like the body extending lower than the original and such. A good example is pic rel, where they've added a vinyl sticker to the bottom half of the body to make it look as sleek as the original. Simply a by product of modern design.
>>28198822Your silly little hobby is being banned from quarter miles.
>>28198823well, yeah, that's kinda what i mean too. with that "fat" comes interior space, chassis stiffness and a smoother ride. >they've added a vinyl sticker to the bottom half of the body to make it look as sleek as the originalthat is actually just factory plastic body cladding, which hides the pinch welds and fender bolts and protects the bottom side of the car from rocks and such on a stock challenger. it's got some weird lip bolted to it, however.i agree it has some silly proportions but i like that, it's like a hot wheels rendition of the original car rather than a copy. it still has the late jet-age turbine car design cues. it still feels like an imposing american slab perfect to drive around stoned listening to lynyrd skynyrd, but through the magic of friendly corporate espionage it's also a highly competent german-inspired touring car that eats up road like nobody's business. it has earned the beer gut.the daytona bodykit however is stupid, the nose is all wrong, i guess they didn't want to make it too long or mold that part too big.
The steering wheel was too damn big for me Im 5 ft 9 manlet for referencethe wheel felt like a giant boat wheel and it had a lot of resistance too... what's the point of big steering wheels, its all electrically powered anyway, there is no need for more TORQUE through a larger steering wheel.
>>28198837>Your silly little hobbyi drive neither nigger cars or faggot EVs. just funny to see nigger cars get beaten
>>28198903you can actually select how much steering resistance you want through the radio touchscreen options.on mine i actually get the most detailed steering feel in comfort mode, while in sport mode it's just kind of stiff for no real reason and it hides what the steering is actually doing.
>>28198908Those things have gay ass eps?! LOL
>>28198909>v6 >auto only>AND epsLol, lmao even.
>>28198909They have a hydraulic rack, just an electric PS pump
>>28199001up to 20142015+ have a completely electric rack>>28198909>>28198962>a bloo bloo bloo muh elegtrunnigs boomer no understand
>>28199001I'm pretty sure that's how all modern electric steering cars work.
>>28199008oh, huh. Yeah I think thats for all models after '15 not just poverty spec. Fortunately there's a drop in manual rack so v6challyanon can feel like a man:https://www.flamingriver.com/manual-rack-pinion/fr1515mpr16-2015-2016-challenger-manual-rack-and-pinion
>>28199017is it? have you seen those videos of faulty electric power steering spinning the steering wheel continuously? There's obviously no physical connection to the steering rack.
>>28199008>pretending eps isn't souless, gay and devoid of feedbackGigacope.
>>28199017Apparently it's truly full electric, no power steering fluid or anything on the newer ones
>>28199026Not all cars with EPS are steer by wire, just depends on the car. Some still have a steering shaft attached to a rack with an electric assist motor.
>>28199033newer chally's are full electric steering but not drive by wire, they stick have an actual rack & pinion.
>>28196961Most cringe mod list of all time. Tesla plaid S would blow that car out of the water.
>>28199321No. The demon 170 is faster.
>>28199351the car with only 1 seat in it that's faster by like .1 second? fucking cringe man.
>>28199361>it'll blow it out of the water!!>o-oh it doesn't w-well..Fuck off.
>>28199389https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEU1nmvb3pA
>>28199394https://www.topspeed.com/dodge-demon-170-put-tesla-model-s-plaid-drag-race/
>>28196861I'm sorry but any nu muscle just can't be the greatest muscle car ever. They're just not as awesome as something like '70 Charger with 440 and pistol grip.
>>28198837*in Australia **on only two tracksReminder that you've been posting the same 3 articles for months now and still haven't found any new material
>>28199389take the seats out of the tesla and put on yellow racing emblems carbon fiber accents and youll see.
67 Thunderchicken. Stock with the 390 FE. Modified it with Edelbrock Pro-Flo 4 EFI System with some other modifications, had the car dynoed at 475 horses. May not be the biggest baddest muscle car there is, but it's plenty enough for me to have fun with.
>>28200016What's going on around the back wheel there?
>>28200019Surface rust. I already spoke to my mechanic. Luckily looks worse than it is. That's the next next project on the car.
>>28199413she thick
