>>28200581
is there really not a single good thing to be said about this bike?
im so fucked what else do i get

>>28201028
Get it and stop trying to get other people to think for you. Stop listening to shill reviewers and miserable contrarians on /o/.

>>28201030
>stop trying to get other people to think for you
this is so unfair and harsh
i just thought to have a discussion about particular bike with people who are into bikes
isnt that what we do here?
just cant believe that nobody has a first hand experience to share

and regarding youtube reviewers i dont see anyone shilling this, its literally so out of favour its unreal, people are definitely more in favour of KTM 390 Adventure for example

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>>28200581
Honda is the best choice if you want something that runs without worry. Kawasaki is good too.

>>28201054
but anon those are enduros
very good for offroad fun around the home
but not comfy for traveling for long and city
which kawasaki tho? versys?

>>28201048
You probably should have asked in /dbt/. Anon is right though. If you like the 310GS then stop waiting for someone to talk you out of it and just get it. Go to a dealership and get on it to make sure you like the ergos and then buy it if you do. It's a $6,000 motorcycle there's no reason to treat the decision like a bomb defusal.

>>28201072
its $8033,70 in Europe here lmao

>>28201084
You're willing to pay that much for an Indian TVS worth like $4K tops?

>>28201093
coming back to the start then, what are my fucking options
there simply are not bikes in this category that are worth anything, besides KTM, its unreal in what state is the industry
everything else is either enduro or huge dual sports that I dont want to hassle with

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>>28201048
>i just thought to have a discussion about particular bike with people who are into bikes
You've made like 4 different threads on this one bike, just fucking buy it already

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>>28201061
Do you want a noob bike? Who cares
I toures my crf450rl from grande prairie to edmonton to abbotsford this last year
With a bike you can do whatever the fuck you want

>>28201105
Read the dbt stiggy
>not enough bikes in this category
Learner bikes?
Adv bikes?
Theres billions of choice combos, youre just an idiot that wanta to hear himself reciprocated despite being a nobike

Advs are literally everywhere and there are betternoptions even as a starter
If you want a single cylinder it makes sense to go dual sport because its better performance and weight is low
If you want more adv itll be heavier, juat get a suzuki vstrom 650 or something used, who cares
If you want touring get a vfr800

But yeah read the dbt sticky and stop overthinking your first bike, unless you want a forever bike and already know how to ride, then the answer is dual sport

>>28201117
I’m mad that people even responded to this dumbass thread after all the previous ones

>>28201122
>crf450rl
was that comfortable?
it looks like a bit of a stronger wind on a freeway would blow you away

it seems that most people here are japan fanboys
is it an american thing?
an absolute disregard for european brands or just too expensive?

>>28201127
imagine getting mad over this
get a life dude

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>>28201144
I had a big dufflebag and a seat concepts seat, wouldve preferrd something else as that bike prefers to be an hour from the trails or less
And the time i went through the rockies was late september mid octpber so those mountain passes were brutal needless to say, thankfully no snow

>>28201160
it looks kinda badass and "fuck everyone" kind of vibes which I respect, but it also sounds like a torture for long travels

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>>28201163
Yes and no
You meet the nicest peepoo on a honder

>>28201197
no good honder available in Europe to buy
everything is very bulky and heavy than g310

>>28201061
klr650. The best of both worlds offroad suspension and height with street comfort of upright position, comfy seat and cruise power.

Trail dirt bikes are meme and half of the time don't have fuel tanks to go deep innawoods

>>28200581
>Please give me
Why? If you can't look for information yourself, how are you going to process the answers given here? For all we know you are some retard.

For starters, how did you arrive at your bike of choice, what other brands and models did you consider on what grounds and why didn't they make the cut?

>>28203907
klr650 is not available in Europe except for the old used ones that are 20+ year old
also it has very high seat I believe and big fuel tank which makes it a lot top heavy
its still a single cylinder tho for such size

>>28203950
fair enough
I was looking at something beginner friendly but still moderately powerful to cruise and also to be ready for some moderate offroad
that is not so heavy and tall
that is comfortable
that looks cool
in this category we have :
KTM 390 Adventure
-- more powerful but less reliable engine, expensive, fake offroader, better dashboard, worse comfort, disgusting looks, its basically a street bike with adventure looks, that headlight is unreal how ugly it is, I would still go for it if there would be nice deals for it but nope, brand new is crazy, used are all with 15k+ kilometers

Royal Enfield Himalayan:
-- more powerful, seat height nice, heavy, still a single cylinder which will make it less powerful, have a classic looks but somethings off and I dont like it, still not that much cheap

Honda CRF300L
-- purely offroad, shit for cruising and traveling, I dont like that , not surprised since it is an enduro bike

Kawasaki Versys 300
--- closest candidate with KTM but still very weak, dash is kinda shitty, not very offroad capable, nowhere to be found to buy new, only one for sale used in my country, seat height is great, single cyliner which is ok

Husq Svartpilen 401
--- looks nice, other characteristics good, but its purely city bike

BMW G310 GS
-- current top choice , best of both worlds, super comfortable for traveling, not too fast tho still a single cyl, excellent offroad capabilities, biggest ground clearance, great wheel travel, dashboard sucks but its subjective (its not in color so it gives off cheap pajeet vibes), very good build, seat height great, weight to power great, have currently the best deal for a used one that looks like brand new, only 7k kilometers for 5500 euros

I dont know what else man

You are in Europe right? Did you have proper riding lessons and if so, what bike did you ride?

Regardless, I think there aren't many other, if at all, options out there that aren't significantly heavier or more powerful like the Honda NX500 or 500X.

I think the reason for this is that the market isn't there. On the one side, you have the A1 license, which gets serviced by the 125CC bikes, which all the Japanese have. And the A2 market which is I guess mostly served by restricting heavier bikes, except for Honda the and Kawasaki 500's

The Honda 500 is much heavier. The only other bikes I can think of are the Kawasaki Z500 and Yamaha MT-03 because they are relatively light, but both are street oriented nakeds.

Btw, the Husq is based on the KTM, so shares the engine downsides.

Conclusion:
I think you covered all options in your segment. I can't suggest anything else. Go test drive the GS and if you like it, buy it.
Only choice left is the risk/reward of buying used vs new, but if the used one is at a trustworthy store with warrenty I don't see an issue buying used.

>>28204515
>You are in Europe right? Did you have proper riding lessons and if so, what bike did you ride?
yes and yes , full A category, Yamaha MT-07
>I think the reason for this is that the market isn't there
you are so right about that, hopefully the chinks will make the euros and japs to wake up and focus on middle weight adventure bikes
we already see it happening slowly e.g. the concept BMW F450 GS

the rest of your post is exactly my thoughts
it is what it is, indian BMW is the closest thing (imagine what a sad situation of the market)

>>28204651
>yes and yes , full A category, Yamaha MT-07
The advice here to start with a small bike is because it's an predominantly American website.
So if you want something light because you plan to drop it a lot off road it's fine. But don't do it because of the "small bike to learn advice".
The small bike advice is for people like in the video below, who did an afternoon MSF course and think they car ride.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wTGbO3y9CA

>>28204708
>that video
this has to be a joke right, his voice, the sound he makes, narrating , questions... my god...

but yeah I get what you mean, its just that the big adventure bikes like Tenere or big BMW GS , is really big and super expensive , like 3 times more expensive, its serious business
And I know I would be able to easily handle them its just they are really big, expensive and not much versatile all rounders like KTM 390 or G310 GS
I know that they are super weak compared to the big ones but they seem to be good enough for starters , both bang for buck and handling and maintenance

I wish there would be a caregory there is somewhere in the middle of these two but as you say the market is not there and is only now slowly waking up for these demands
thats why I kind of realized that if Im to choose between heavy expensive adv motor or weaker but lighter, affordable, "good enough" for freeways and for offroad and to confidently do that and pick it up if im alone somewhere then I guess the reason tells me to at least start with the latter and in a year or two upgrade if its for me

>>28204772
I'm trying to think of what I would do in your place. The only difference is that actual off road isn't an option for me, because all roads are paved in a 200km radius and off roading is outright banned.

I also agree that the current "middle weights" are on the heavy side to off road with.
Being a first bike, I probably wouldn't want to spend KTM690 or AJP PR7 money.
T7 and NX500 would still be too heavy.
Now, if absolutely didn't want a indian bike I'd have the following options.

CRF300 Rally, more fairing than 300L. I'd have to test ride to see if it was acceptable for me on the highway.

Older single cylinder endure/dual sport. Single cylinder helps with the weight. Think Yamaha XT660R, maybe BMW650, or Suzuki DR650.
I'm assuming these are better on the highway because of the bigger engines and more capable off road than the 310GS.
But this would also depend heavily on what bikes are available.

>>28204935
may I ask which country are you from where offroad is banned? that sounds very harsh and like weird?
arent people allowed to ride bikes through nature/villages where theres no pavement?
it almost sound you are from those heavy urbanized densely populated and regulated countries like Netherlands or Denmark?

I was considering BMW F650 but not good offers for them, they are 12+ years old and people still ask 5k+ euros

CRF300 Rally is still not well protected from wind and definitely is enduro biased, also its weaker than G310 GS

currently there is an offer 2022 G310 GS for 5600 euros with 7000km and with the first service done (which is expensive)
the bike itself looks brand new
I did so much research and all my calculations are leading to this one BMW G310 GS

I just hope that G310 is not so much awful on freeway because I would also like to travel to other countries besides doing modest offroad

Maybe this overthinking is useless and I should just do it and see where I go from there, it is the best deal currently
still didnt see any of these irl, maybe i will hate it when i sit on it, such is life

>>28204963
Both Germany and Belgium are complicated regarding off road or forest roads. I'm in NL which hasn't any real off road. Maybe the occasion 2km of gravel road to some farms or some forest road of dubious legal status. And the forests that we have are for walking of cycling which is okay.
The population density is just too high.
We do have some off road training grounds though.

>I just hope that G310 is not so much awful on freeway
>maybe i will hate it when i sit on it, such is life
Rent one for a day or a weekend, or ask a dealer if they have a demo bike you can try. The only way to find out is to actually ride it. Then you will know for sure.

>>28204963
Just buy your streetshitter bike and stop making these threads. Any light naked bike will be more capable off-road than you'd ever need and literally any other make has a competitor that's better in every way

>>28205067
i so knew it you are from NL
yeah I definitely need to see several of these bikes irl first
I want to see that chink cfmoto 450 mt as well , to see whats all the hype about

>>28205155
>literally any other make has a competitor that's better in every way
name 3

>>28205157
>>28205155
>he never responds
thought so

lol KTM is going bankrupt

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>>28204023
Get the crf300L rally, quit being a bitch, put a seat concepts seat and a taller windscreen, and put sheepskin on top of that if you still have a sore ass from having never squatted 315+lbs atg in your life

You keep wanting a mary sue do it all, and of all in that list the one you hate most is the one for exactly that you tardass
Klr is also a good choice but youre too stupid to realize that it seems

>>28207272
you are a typical fatass american , a gookbike fanboy
gookbikes are reliable and thats it, they are boring and dull and look like shit
BMW and KTM and HUSQVARNA mog them so hard its not even funny
and soon even chinks will mog them
might as well nuke japan again

>>28207272
>these bikes arent made anymore just like the women who cook and clean
KEK

>>28207272
saved

>>28204023
I have no idea why you think BMW would be any better than anything else off-road or on the highway. It's a small street bike with some make pretend adventure fairings.

>>28208223
>street bike
lol what a retard

>>28200581
>Im very close
No you're not. You are not going to do shit. You will just keep spamming these stupid threads. People have given you honest and earnest answers in all your other fucking threads about this bike. Yet you keep making threads. Get fucked.

>>28208273
>People have given you honest and earnest answers in all your other fucking threads about this bike
lol no they havent, they only sperg out like you do, spewing hatred and giving off poorfag energy
>>28204935
only this anon was actually mature

>>28208277
>poorfag energy
>Thread about GS310
Your self awareness is abysmal

>>28208277
You’ve had multiple threads telling what’s what.

>>28208280
>cant even afford smallest BMW
>seethes online
fuck off gook fanboy

>>28208282
lol no, only spergs with muh "japanese is better, thats too slow, u need heckin 4 cylinders wroooom"

>>28208284
>Still hasn't bought any motorcycle
stop being a nobike.

>>28208284
That’s cause most are, this is just some shitty Indian thumper with a bmw badge. It’s not a great bike

>>28208292
yes it is for its category

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>>28208293
Not really.

>>28208296
not really what you retard? whats that table proving?
half of those are useless enduros lmao

>>28208300
>not really what you retard? whats that table proving?
Fuck, sorry anon I didn't realize. Here www.ldaamerica.org/what-is-dyscalculia/ , I hope you can start getting help.

>>28208300
Yeah and those are better than a gussed up tvs

>>28208308
>better
in what? going through dirt? sure
useless and weak for everything else

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>>28208315
I have a version of the bike you dumb nigger, it’s an underwhelming machine. Going to a klr in the spring most likely.

>>28208324
>underwhelming machine
compared to bigger powerful bikes, yes. that was intended you know, ever heard of categories?

>>28208324
have fun on a retarded heavy klr
your ass and back will for BMW comfort and premium feel

>>28208338
It’s not premium at all. That’s how it’s marketed to the fucking jeets for some reason

>>28208335
But it's not even the best in it's category.
>>28208338
Ah, so is it 2 trolls? I really don't understand the point of these people. Are they trying to drum up hate for the GS310? Are they trying to reverse psychology love for the GS310? Has the original OP disappeared an now copycats are just trying to force it into some sort of meme status? It can't be indian nationalism, otherwise there would be more love for the RE. These browns are just so confusing.

>>28208340
name a more premium bike in that price range with touring and offroad capabilities that 310 has

the discussion already happened here with a sane and reasonable and rare anon here >>28204023
and here >>28204515
>>28204935

>>28208343
>But it's not even the best in it's category.
so name a few that are better for touring and offroad and city and comfortable and has at least 35hp
go ahead

>>28208344
>the discussion already happened
Yeah, in like the previous 3 threads that have been posted in the last month.
>>28208348
See >>28208296, everything below the GS beats it on weight, HP/torque, price, and/or suspension. Why do you keep pretending the Husky, Kawasaki, REs, and Triumph don't exist? Why do you ignore the plethora of used options that'll give you better performance for the price that are out there? How fast are your highways, how fat are you, please stop sucking cock.

>>28208344
Has nothing to do with the price range but calling premium is a sign you are a jeet cause that’s literally how they market it. Not much in the price range is premium at that point and that’s the point. No idea why you are going for “premium” instead of better bikes.

>>28208352
>Why do you keep pretending the Husky, Kawasaki, REs, and Triumph don't exist?
i dont have problem discussing these
its not that im shilling BMW
anyway
>kawasaki
not comfortable, very paved road biased, for some reason more expensive than BMW while not justifying why
also its ferrings are not very protective against the wind like GS has
>Himalayan
too heavy for its weak power, almost 200 kilograms
incredibly ugly and pajeet vibes
but yes its affordable and reliable (according to what people say)
but its not cheap
no tubeless
but yeah too heavy and too slow because of that
they fucked up

>svartpilen 401
looks great, badass, powerful for its weight
but its strictly city bike, no wind protection for touring, no ground clearence and wheel size and suspension travel for offroad like BMW
strictly strictly city bike unfortunately but super fun just like 390 Duke
cant do long travels on it like you can on BMW (albeit not so fast obviously)

>Triumph 400x
actually again very nice bike, but strictly for city
too naked
too retro look (thats subjective)

I just cant get over the fact how much BMW mogs all the competitors in the looks department
its just unreal what a gap

>>28208364
You've yet to make a real argument for the GS310 over those other bikes. It has a lower power-to-weight ration then any of them. It has no factory option for spoked rims, demolishing any argument for better off-road perfromance from its higher ground clearance or suspension travel. You try to argue against the Versys' fairing when you haven't ridden any bike. If you want to be delusional like this fuck >>28208375 and think it looks nice then go right ahead. Just admit to yourself that looks and income are the only reasons you want it and that it's the only BMW you can afford. Just for the love of God, Vishnu, Buddha, or whatever fucking thirdworld thing you worship please stop posting new threads on your poobike.

>>28208379
>You've yet to make a real argument for the GS310 over those other bikes
i did, its the best all-rounder on that fucking list
the only real alternative on that list is Versys and only because it has 2 cylinders, everything else is better done on BMW

>spoked rims
>demolishing any argument for better off-road perfromance from its higher ground clearance or suspension travel
so lol? are we splitting hairs now?
all the others are literal city bikes, totally useless for both offroad and touring
BMW covers that in a very modest but quality ways
theres your another argument

>haven't ridden any bike
source?

>>28208379
>think it looks nice then go right ahead
it does look the best of all the listed, you are contrarian if you dont think that

>Just admit to yourself that looks and income are the only reasons you want it and that it's the only BMW you can afford
looks are very important, yes, you know because im not retard and i will be riding it so i like to have things i find good looking
you dont understand that or you are again being contrarian?
what do you mean by income?

its not about what i can afford
I can afford brand new biggest GS and Ducati
but i dont aim for huge retarded bikes, simple as

curious how you didnt put KTM on your list
anyway your whole argument against G310 GS is because you just hate anything manufactured in india and anything with a fancy logo
you think you are cool with boring dull jap bikes like every jap fanboy
you just parrot what other retards say, hating on european brands which are #1 performance biased and class and premium feeling and you think only poser boys ride those while actual deep thinkers and ones who "get" motorcycles go for jap bikes because muh moto gp shit badboy raceboy smalldick energy

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>>28208397
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>>28208397
Here, use this next thread to save us all time.

>>28208402
>>28208411
seethe more poorfag

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>>28208416
You are pulling the poorfag card after making multiple threads on buying a 5-6k bike, pipe down nobike Rajesh

>>28208425
yeah i can only imagine how poor are you when you seethe about cheap thumpers lmao

>>28208431
This isn’t seething it’s hating. I hate retarded thirdies who despite having no knowledge or experience support something that in everybody’s sentiment of the last month of these threads is a shit bike with better competitors.

>>28208431
We're not laughing at bikes, we're laughing at you.

>>28208440
>>28208443
seething because we finance european factories
hehe fucking mutts with their gook bikes and cars
theres no saving you

>>28208445
>n factories
>hehe fucking mutts with their gook bikes and cars
>theres no saving you
mmm, yes. Now post a picture of your bike? No bike? How about a receipt or confirmation email for the bike you've just bought. No? Not even emails/texts between you and the dealer? Anything? Well, thanks for playing Raj.

>>28208455
>amerimutt is having a meltdown
>probably going to kill himself when I buy a masterrace european brand motorcycle that he will never afford
>amerimutts cant even afford american cars and bikes so they shill for gook shit lmao

>>28208461
Post literally anything you own Raj.

>>28208461
>amerimutt is having a meltdown
No, it's call laughter. I thought you knew english?
>when I buy
So still afraid to make your move.
>a masterrace european brand
Made in india

>>28208464
im currently owning you seething mutt lol

>>28208465
>his gook shit is made in china
HAHAHAHHAHAHA

>>28208397
i indulge him in effort posting
i utterly WRECK him with arguments
he never dares to answer because he is defeated so he resorts to mutt tactics to post pajeet pics
hahahah fucking retarded poorfag mutts i swear

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>>28208466
Third worlders are not humans at all, I’m gonna go kill one of your gods for shits and giggles.

>>28208471
Im european, but sure invent whatever makes you feel better you disgusting kike golem

>>28208472
Post hand on bike Raj

>>28208465
>Made in india
wait whats with this meme?
it is 2025, japanese bikes are also made all around the world and yes including india
its called capitalism

>>28208472
you're a poor balkanoid who isn't better than the jeets you're being accused of, probably the same iq unironically

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BMW bikes are gay euro bikes that follow the tradition of germanic over-engineering with little regard for the home mechanic. Add to that indian build quality at euro pricing and there is no appeal.

>>28208478
>amerimutts dont dare to refute this
kek

>>28208541
>he posts a 100 year old ugly usess shit
might as well post a bicycle poorfag

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>>28209070
Where is your bike streetshitter?
>might as well post a bicycle
That’s a great idea, you at least have a bicycle, right Rajesh? Surely you have something to post…besides poo? No?

Well why not? It can’t be that you are poor. Surely you have the money right? First thing tomorrow you’re going down to the BMW shop and getting your GS310? If it’s not the money then what could it be? Oh. I get it, sorry my Dalit friend I should have realized. Here, use this and maybe the BMW dealer will finally let you through their doors.

>>28209094
>trailer park boomer poorfag seething with his old retarded gookbike

>>28209124
>seethe
>gook
You don't know what those mean, do you?

>>28209133
nope, just parroting buzz words I learned from you guys here like hating on indian, chinese ,european bikes and glorifying amerimutt and japanoose ones

>>28209167
Ah I see the confusion. It's not hating on bikes, but hating on the weird quasi nationalism that OP seems to have for a specific model of BMW. All manufacturer's have their issues and low spots.

>>28209171
>quasi nationalism that OP seems to have for a specific model of BMW
this is what I hate about you fuckers here
you act so ellitist and unfriendly for no reason than some perosnal issues
OP is clearly friendly and humbly asking for advice, he is even kind of mocking the BMW calling it pajeet aryan, he acknowledges its not great bike but according to his other posts he did the research and seems to him BMW is all-rounder that thumper road/offroad category

after that the thread just derailed into india hate for no reason, as if all other brands are not assembled in fucking india or thailand or pakistan or china

>>28209179
OP is a disingenuous piece of shit that has made this thread multiple times. Every time someone attempts to answer his questions he shits over other suggestions. He needs to shit or get off the pot, if he is convinced he's made the right choice then buy the bike and quit starting these threads. There are also many reasons to hate indian, thai, and chink made bikes (QC, relocation of jobs/workforce, parts availability, etc). Also get fucked, you ain't fooling anyone OP.

>>28209185
>OP is a disingenuous piece of shit that has made this thread multiple times. Every time someone attempts to answer his questions he shits over other suggestions.
where did he do that?
i see a normal discussion happening around this post >>28204023

>>28209185
>There are also many reasons to hate indian, thai, and chink made bikes
so basically every brand ever lol
welcome to capitalism, you created it boomer fuck

>>28209185
>Also get fucked, you ain't fooling anyone OP.
meds

>>28200581
>another thread again of a poojeet lover jizzing over a poojeet bike with badgewhore cred (BMW badge totally means its a 7 series on two wheels)
I've ridden G310 and G310GS and they both feel like pieces of shit that cost way too much for what they are
the only real BMWs are atleast 650cc, just get a used 650 BMW adv bike otherwise you're just buying a cheaply made overpriced shitbox that are made for retards who love the badge

>>28209224
nice arguments there you literal retard
yeah im gonna trust a literal retard yep, not the actual sane people I know or youtubers that know shit and review them

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>>28209243
I've ridden G310s, F650GS, F800s, S1000s, R1200GS, R1150RS, had a Z300, had a TU250X, had a F650 Funduro, have an R1150GS, and ridden a number of 300ish CC bikes. The G310 just felt like a mediocre cheap bike with an annoyingly buzzy engine

I just don't understand the point in spending BMW money on a slow jeet made bike when you can just get a lightly used 650 adv bike (which aren't super heavy) or some similar shit which will be far more comfortable for long rides, easy enough to handle in the city, and can still handle good enough offroad

Smaller single cyl bikes just get annoyingly buzzy at freeway speeds, my 650 Funduro (also single) however felt fine and I was happy sitting at 110 for 4 hours on that thing.

>>28209270
not to mention if you're going highway speeds on the 310 good luck trying to overtake anyone

>>28209270
>he G310 just felt like a mediocre cheap bike with an annoyingly buzzy engine
>1 cylinder
>cheap and affordable BMW
>smallest GS
did BMW try to hide these facts?
do you feel smart for pointing them out?
do you know what a category means?
its like im talking to literal amerimutt retards

>and then he proceeds to compare smaller category bike with bigger ones stating a genius fact that bigger ones go faster because OMG they have bigger engines
no fucking shit genius

and of course you go on to lie how 30% heavier bigger 650 bikes are not "super heavy" lmao what an actual retard
you even dare to mention offroading with those heavy shits when a light G310 GS can shit on all of you in the offroad
have fun falling down and being unable to pick up 250kg from the mud I guess
but thats beside the point
the point is you literal retards are mentally challenged and cant comprehend different categories of bikes, smaller vs bigger so your nigger brain immediately jumps to HURR DURR BIGGER GOES FASTER WHY WOULD GO FOR LIGHTER BIKE because you have small dicks thats why you go for bigger cars and bikes

>>28209275
>not to mention if you're going highway speeds on the 310 good luck trying to overtake anyone
i didnt realize im racing against other people to get to my comfy adventure
weird

>>28200581
Get Royal Enfield himalayan BS4, the Enfields in general have better torque in low revs than the GS. The BMW also has alloy wheels which obvs arent good for off roading.
The himalayan will take you through anywhere trust me.

>>28209380
>have fun falling down and being unable to pick up 250kg from the mud I guess

my F650 weighed 190 wet, which is not that much of a heavy bike if you're not a noodle armed faggot. Only 15kg more than the G310. Besides what are you planning on fucken doing on that thing, dirt bike trails?

You keep talking about how you're going to want to road trip on it when a 300 is going to be shittier for long road trips than a 650 that'll sit more comfortably at highway speeds.

>because you have small dicks thats why you go for bigger cars and bikes
I drive a suzuki swift sport, it's got nothing to do with size and cock compensation or whatever stupid shit

You're so set on this piece of shit that you're insulting people that are trying to give you legit advice on bikes that would be better for what you've said you want to do (long trips, comfort and I assume light offroading)

Legitimate question, have you ever owned a bike? Have you ridden a bike for more than an hour? How much experience do you have?

this nigga worrying so hard about his jeetbike being super offroad capable when he's probably gonna hit a gravel road once a year

>>28201144
>it seems that most people here are japan fanboys
>is it an american thing?
>an absolute disregard for european brands or just too expensive?
jap bikes and jap bike copies are more popular over the entire world outside of Europe, stop your obsession with Americans

>>28209397
>outside of Europe
the world outside of Europe doesnt matter, you are all shitskins

>>28209404
>you are all shitskins
and yet you want a shitskin bike

>>28209406
designed and approved in Germany, sent to brownies to assemble it because capitalism
you know, just how your precious gooks do it

>>28209389
>F650
thats like 20 years old bike lmao
the hell im gonna buy such a crapper from some cunt boomer like yourself
die

>>28209389
>Besides what are you planning on fucken doing on that thing, dirt bike trails?
cant a man go for road trips without going fucking 150kmph?
why is it unnaceptable to cruise 100 with G310? is that too slow , hurts the ego?

>>28209389
>when a 300 is going to be shittier for long road trips than a 650 that'll sit more comfortably at highway speeds.
and fucking goldwing will be more comfortable than your 650
whats your point?
should we all switch to goldwings?

>>28209417
You have two people who ride bikes who both have ridden this cheap poo bike telling you it’s shit. I don’t know what you want from people on here.

>>28209426
and I welcome their opinions
does that mean its objectively true because 2 biased spergs commented on it here?
you are too retarded to have a normal discussion like rare and few anons like this one >>28205067

and when i actually put in the effort to answer to some biased faggots like here >>28208364
i get replies of pajeet hate lol
you see you are all bitches

>>28209413
A jap bikes gonna be designed by the jap company, not a joint venture with a shitskin company
>>28209414
You didn't answer his question at the bottom there, you're a nobike with no experience, right?
>>28209417
>why is it unnaceptable to cruise 100 with G310?
you can, it just sucks for it, small bikes are great for the city and commute, for big road trips not so much. I've had a ninja 300 which was a lot of fun in the city and rideable on the freeway but the vibration was just not good on the hands for long rides.

>>28209431
>and I welcome their opinions
You clearly don't when you start calling them retards and insulting for not sucking off your precious dreambike

Why are you even still making these threads when you've already convinced yourself to get one of these? You looking for attention? Just go and buy it already and report back in a month, no one's stopping you

>>28209431
You have welcomed no opinions of the last couple of threads, just venerate a shit bike you have never ridden as a nobike jeet.

>>28209448
>A jap bikes gonna be designed by the jap company, not a joint venture with a shitskin company
if you cared to read this thread you would see that jap bikes are not even competing this category
like I said, only Versys 300 is in it

>>28209448
>You didn't answer his question at the bottom there, you're a nobike with no experience, right?
literally god-emperor on yamaha mt-07, why does this even matter so much to you?
retards cant even hold a convo on topic
>ur a nobike
>bigger bike goes faster did you know that why do you want that shitter thumper then?
this is you

>>28209448
>I've had a ninja 300 which was a lot
ninja 300 is a strictly city bike, why were you surpried that it sucks for road trips?
G310 GS is a totally different bike, way more comfortable and premium, and designed with touring in mind
you.
just.
go.
slower.
why the fuck is this so hard to understand

>>28209448
>You clearly don't when you start calling them retards and insulting for not sucking off your precious dreambike
>>28209449
>You have welcomed no opinions of the last couple of threads, just venerate a shit bike you have never ridden as a nobike je
>conveniently ignores the posts where i put the effort and my reasoning behind what lead me to G310 GS and where i obviously unbiasedly talk about all the other bikes in the similar category and specs that I have and do still consider

i guess its a sin to have a normal discussion here, its a sperg website across the boards ,not just /pol/

>>28200581
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJz9aCs7OM0
this guy has more experience than anyone here
so watch this and pick one

>>28209471
go and buy that shitheap instead of wasting your and everyone else's time, why are you making these threads over and over again

>premium
lol

>>28210078
>making these threads over and over again
how many threads were already made? 100? 200? 2?
you are terminally online retard

>>28210150
Atleast one before this, the only retard is the one that's desperate for people to validate his desire for a 300cc India shitbox

>>28210177
>Atleast one before this
>making these threads over and over again
retarded or retarded?

>>28210182
>make thread about bike
>get all answers you could possibly get
>instead of just going and buying it just makes another thread
Can't wait for the next one bud

>>28210189
>get all answers you could possibly get
point them out you lying bitch
99% of them are sperging out jap fanboys

>>28210199
So you made another thread asking the same thing expecting something different?

Try reddit instead lol

>>28210216
seethe mutt lol

>>28210223
take meds and go buy your scammer built poo bike

>>28210232
>owns a 20 year old jap shitter
>consider himself a knower
lmao

>>28210234
I've got a 20 year old BMW with a boxer built by white men, thank you very much

>>28210247
its so easy to spot you fucking retarded boomers
just die already ,both you and the most stupid engine type ever

>>28210250
seethe jeet lol

>>28209651
I wonder how is that KTM for roadtrip

Buying a BMW bike without a boxer or a 4 cylinder is like buying a BMW car with a 3 or 4 cylinder engine

Gay and retarded

>>28210304
arent you dead yet grandpa?
fuck off already with your shitty ridiculous engine

>>28210307
>shitty ridiculous engine
Wrong, it's the white mans engine

>>28210304
K75s and k100s seem like such neat bikes that are super reliable. I’m gonna keep an eye out for one.

>>28210316
They're some of the best bikes BMW ever made

>>28210318
Would you happen to know what to look for when buying one? Just a regular person who has kept on maintaining it good enough or do they have an issue that comes up?

>>28210324
what issues can possibly come up from a million years old bike and a BMW on top of that

>>28210330
Besides old rubber and seals I don’t know that’s why I’m asking. The seems like simple robust bikes that have good reputations at high mileage.

>>28210324
Never owned one myself but just the same sort of shit as any old bike, make sure it's been maintained. They have ABS but I haven't heard too much of those causing problems, worst case scenario it can get repaired or just removed
>>28210330
Modern BMW is shit mate, it sounds boomer as fuck but they were genuinely better made in the past

>>28210307
It's not even just the engine, the suspension set up on the bigger BMWs are amazing and are a beautiful thing to ride, but your stupid know it all ass wouldn't know about that

>>28210344
I think they had some rougher years recently, but I’ve heard good things about the newer big Gs that are cutting weight and simplifying stuff. Guess it just comes from getting complacent from running shit.

Is OP trying to tank the reputation of BMW on this board or something? Looking over the thread I can't figure out his game. Is it some sort of weird guerrilla marketing thing for BMW or a psyop to get people to look at a different cheap entry level ADV/DS bike? Just a troll or is OP brain damaged, or is it honest to goodness thirdworld shitposting? The questions abound.

>>28210558
Judging how he keeps shitting on people for riding and recommending perfectly good older bikes I think he's a just a dumb badgewhore kid who just got his licence

>>28210324
Fuel tanks leak at the bottom seam if its had bad gas stored too long in it, you'll see the paint start to bubble around the back corners of the tank.
Also if its been stored with old gas the rubber isolator around the fuel pump will crumble and clog the fuel pump when someone tries to fire it up, fuel injectors can also get stuck
ABS pump will fail if the fluid is too old or the rubber brake lines have never been replaced
Rear shaft drive splines will rapidly wear out if they are not properly lubricated every 10k miles
Find a good running example that's been cared for, the cost between that and a project is minimal.

>>28200581
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyRt8FUY4Do
go with CFMOTO, its the only way nowadays

>>28211119
But that is Chinese.

>>28211283
lol so? they literally make engines for germans and japs
stereotype about "made in chinkland" is about to end
unless euro and jap fags step up their game, which i hope they will

>>28204023
>KTM 390 Adventure is a fake offroader street bike with a crap engine
You clearly have never done serious offroad and definitely are a newfag to bikes you retard, stfu.

Also HQV is basically same bike as ADV and Duke 390, uses all the same components and its made by Bajaj factory.

Now stick to cages and fuck off.

>>28210258
Its a very good bike, even perfect for beginners who want to do roadtrips right from the get go, imo its probably the better pick of all 4 of them in the video, good speed, torque, mpg, decent tank capacity, its balanced on pretty much everything all that the other 3 end up lacking in something.
The only con for KTM is as usual, the price.

>>28211283
So it's better than Indian crap

>>28212563
I would also tell people looking at KTM.adv/dual sports to check the model's service intervals before buying. But I'm guessing the 390 is closer to the old 690 R intervals than insane shit like the 450 exc.

>>28212544
why such hostility without any arguments? cant we talk it out

>>28212602
>check the model's service intervals
this is interesting, but what does that mean? beginners definitely dont know about that
do you mean as in the engine,design,frame being closer to some older model vs new model of their bigger bikes?
what is 690 R and 450 that you are comparing and why 450 insane?

>>28212831
He means the time the manufacturer recommends to do an oil change, the 450 oil change is "insane" because its an enduro bike with a competition focus, the 690 R is an enduro bike for offroad as is, not designed superlight or with a need to do maintenance on it pretty much every time you are going to ride it, different focus after all.

390 ADV has pretty much same service as the Duke, on some places they even call it "390 Duke service" on the receipt since they share many parts in common too, that is with 2019 ADV onwards with up to the Duke 2023 model, 2024 Duke changed the engine, so it could be that it uses different filters, but I don't think its the case, since the idea of KTM has always been to sell you service & maintenance pretty much everywhere in the world, besides shoving Motorex oil down your ass at a steep price (Ipone oil is still better)

>>28212831
>>check the model's service intervals
>this is interesting, but what does that mean? beginners definitely dont know about that
r u retarded? it's in your fuckin owner's manual, every kind of vehicle has recommended service intervals for regular maintenance items

>>28214136
how come they didnt put a 2 cylinder engine into 390 adventure?
I think only Kawasaki did that with their Versys 300 and they still kept the weight and frame small and light

>>28214689
>The 2 cylinder is better than 1 meme
Not really true, if you still have a shit design of an engine, it will perform like shit no matter what. Single cylinder is easier to do service on, the more moving parts means more points of failure besides weight, and for adventure bikes its much better to have an easier bike to maintain as a whole, specially when you end up with a problem on the middle of nowhere and get it to a mechanic who has novice experience on bikes since he usually works with trucks.
Japs are just kinda like germans with engines sometimes, they just like to overcomplicate shit when a simpler design can give the same or better results, besides making the price go higher due of more use of materials and R&D.

The KTM engine its pretty good desu, 390 ADV has a very responsive torque and you can keep the RPM on it quite high even, and when you reach a "cruise control" speed on it to get the best mpg (liter x km), engines is around 6 to 7K RPM. Duke 390 2024 model upped the engine slightly from 373cc to 399cc, so it's very likely that the newer 390 ADV will use the same, supposedly it comes out this year, besides also a 390 Enduro version as well supposedly, both of them now have closer body resemblance to the 690 R, so the 390 ADV wont have a similar Duke look, specially on the lights, kind of a shame since those lights work really well.

Also IMO, 2 cylinder engines under 600cc is pretty much redundant, it won't be that different vs a 1 cylinder bike, at most it will vibrate a little less, similar case you could say with SOHC vs DOHC engines, it will matter with the design itself more than what it uses, more doesn't mean its better by default.

>>28214730
>specially when you end up with a problem on the middle of nowhere and get it to a mechanic who has novice experience on bikes since he usually works with trucks.
thats kind of my point
its a small "adventure" bike , which is lets be honest more street and road oriented anyway so you will not be in a middle of nowhere anyway
with small tank especially you are bound to an offroad that is always near a town or inbetween town traveling or even longer distances but still sticking to the road and in area of towns, gas stations,etc.

as for the new KTM, it looks like they are moving towards offroad more this time, it looks like the ferring will not be touring oriented to protect you a bit from the wind which current KTM 390 adventure also kind of lacks compared to the Kawasaki Versys 300

as for the lights, they were always ugly praying mantis looking pieces of shit and I laugh when I think that the new ones will have an even uglier lights which I thought was impossible but leave it to KTM to prove you wrong on that

2 cylinder puts less straing, damages less, sounds better and has less vibrations on freeway
its not something to disregard regardless of cc

>>28214689
probably cos 390 adventure is an afterthought, Their 390 single is what they had for a small engine and they didnt want to go through the effort of developing a brand new engine.

Same reason why the Versys has a 300, it's what they had in the Ninja/Z 300

>>28200581
It's a consumer good not a marriage you mong. Buy it. If like, keep, if not, sell then buy something else. You cannot reasonably expect /dbt/ to cover every make and model so why are you here instead of on saaar venues?

Bikes are just consumer goods. There is no perfection tho you can modify them after getting some experience so you know what suits you.

>>28207518
>gookbikes are reliable and thats it, they are boring and dull and look like shit

You don't look at them while riding. "Mog" is a teenage bitch term. Are you a teenage bitch? Just buy what you want or even better, keep overthinking it. Why do you even want a motorbike when your thought processes are so nigtarded?

>>28214730
>when you end up with a problem on the middle of nowhere and get it to a mechanic who has novice experience on bikes since he usually works with trucks.

Serious people do our own wrenching. Car and truck mechanics tend to be too ham-fisted when they first wrench motorcycles.

>>28214745
i blame capitalism and greedy fags like BMW KTM and japs for all this mess in the medium adventure category
thats why chinks and jeets are owning it now

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>>28214743
>its a small "adventure" bike , which is lets be honest more street and road oriented anyway so you will not be in a middle of nowhere anyway
From where I am, there are very long roads where you can't find any service for many many miles, usually on those trips you carry an external gas tank in other to make it, and many have done trips like this on 390 ADV and similar type of bikes.

As for the new models, it just depends of the goal or drivestyle you are looking into, considering that now there will be a 390 enduro and 2 version of the adventure, it will be similar to 690 R vs 790 type of choice. As for the lights, it will be more akin to the Tenere 700 from what I've seen on some pics.
As for the windshield, you can get aftermarket ones, and that's also a goal for KTM anyways, to sell you more shit.
>>28214752
>Serious people do our own wrenching.
True, but not always you will be able to do it yourself and will need a hand when it happens.
A true motorcycle driver should know to do it themselves indeed, so if you can do a mechanics course, do so. That way when the truck mechanic aids your ass you can make sure he doesn't fuck it up.

>>28214754
300-400cc adventure bike is a bit of a weird segment because they're worse offroad than a dual sport while being way shittier for long distance highway riding than a proper mid size (650ish) adv bike which is still capable enough for light-mid offroad
If you're gonna want to do serious offroad then dual sport
300-400cc adventure bikes are okay at best at everything, great at nothing

>>28214810
isnt KTM bankrupt? why are we even talking about a bankrupt shitty company and brand?

>>28214815
300-400cc adv bikes are definitely way better for offroad than huge heavy ones no question
depending on the quality they can also be comfortable for long cruising
the trade off being you go slower than on a bigger adv
but being nimble, waaaay more cheaper, lighter, cheaper for maintainance and fuel consumption than bigger adv bikes is IMO at least a worthy trade off

i only see faster freeway cruising as a positive thing of bigger adv bikes, nothing else
and since we are not fucking racing to get to the goal since we are on comfy adventure (right?) then we should not care that much about how fast we go over freeways
I really think smaller adv bikes are the hot thing now, people demanded that for a long time and nobody truly delivered until CFMOTO 450mt
I hope this will motivate faggots like BMW, KTM and japs to start innovating and making smalled adv bikes as a main objective and not as an afterthought

>>28214826
I'm not talking about sitting on the freeway at 150kmh

Sitting for 3+ hours at the basic speed limit of 100kmh, nothing special, with a small single or ptwin buzzing away at ~7000rpm gets annoying, and if you want to be sitting well under the limit for lower rpm, at the mercy of neurotic retards on the road who are going to sit right up your ass trying to get you to go faster then be my guest.
Them being lighter also means that wind is more of a factor. If it's a very windy day you're going to get blown around all over the place, and having a truck pass by going the opposite direction sucks shit

Even going from 650 to my 1200GS (dont go on about how it's fat and heavy, I am aware) was an unbelievably difference in comfort on the freeway having an engine sitting at a lower rpm and a fatter more stable platform to sit on meant that I didn't feel miserable and sore getting off the bike after riding for 6 hours. Going from small adv bike to mid size isn't that different

>I really think smaller adv bikes are the hot thing now, people demanded that for a long time and nobody truly delivered until CFMOTO 450mt
You say that but honestly I feel like here in Australia I don't see them that often, talking anecdotally though because I can't find sales stats on adv bikes. Most bikes I see in the outback are atleast 650cc

really depends realistically how often you're actually going to go offroad, and I'm talking actual offroad, not just dirt road. If you're going to spend 90% of the time on the freeway and 10% on a dirt/gravel road it seems like a no brainer to me that a midsize is a better choice.

450MT isn't that light by the way, 195kg wet is kinda on the heavier side for what it is.

>>28214855
>Going from small adv bike to mid size isn't that different
by that I meant that the difference is noticeable when going from small > mid in a similar way to going mid > large in terms of road comfort

>>28214855
but thats the thing
the only thing they have is comfort on freeway
at that point just get a car
everything else is shittier on a huge adv bike
good lack getting that shit up from a mud or bushes
nimble = fun
heavy = slow and no fun in all settings except for the long freeways or flat long dirt roads
the real offroad is ridiculous on those huges shits and most of areas they cant even go through where a Honda CRF300 or KTM 390 Adventure would easily pass through
same goes for city, smaller is better than a huge adv fat wide shitter

also for Europe, smaller adv bikes are better option by far
this is not america or australia where we have to travel 1000 kilometers to a gas station
we have walkable cities

>>28214887
you're acting like a vstrom 650 or KLR650 is a 350kg behemoth
210~kg isn't super heavy unless you're a 5'2 manlet with noodle arms

>>28214887
>>28214900
In fact have you ever ridden a bike that weighs around 200-220kg? They're not that hard to ride even in the city if you're not an unco retard

>>28214900
its not about weight
its about weight distribution, balance and weight/power ratio
its not the same thing handling and picking up a BMW GS and a shitty KLR

>>28214946
It is a waste of time. There is no talking about cars and bikes with amerimutts and australian drunktards. All they understand is bigger = better. Literal consumerist golems with no walkable cities.Uncultured swines.

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>>28200581
there used to be such cool small-displacement bikes. Its a shame its exclusively cheap beginner-bikes made in third world countries nowadays.

>>28214983
interesting how people tend to still hate the jeets and chinks for making them and not their own countrymen who sold them out and moved production to india and china to rip off both parties

>>28214985
Cause only thirdies like small road going bikes. They don’t make a lot of sense in larger markets that can afford more bike. Better to buy a decent larger dual sport and use that instead

>>28215007
heh retarded microdick amerimutt
see this >>28214950

>>28215033
Go live in your own fantasy world nobike

>>28215007
Dumbass

>>28214983
I wouldn't an SDR but I would hug someone that would give one a home.

>>28214826
>isnt KTM bankrupt? why are we even talking about a bankrupt shitty company and brand?
afaik, 50% of it is owned by Bajaj now who makes their lower cc bikes, and those are the ones selling the most today, though I would say its the Dukes selling 10:1 against an ADV model.

Also 400cc bikes are usually considered a better pick than the 600cc ones mostly due of weight if you want to go into offroad more seriously, and since they are a bit smaller, they are easier to get on some places that you should be bringing the usual enduro bike, they are the jack of all trades pretty much, can do a bit of everything.
>>28214855
>Hitting the freeway on them for 3+ hours make them bad vs a 650
True, but if you really are going on the freeway for that long, you simply shouldn't be using an ADV bike at all, best would be a cruiser, and if you NEED the offroad bike, you just load them on a truck, like all the people that got enduro bikes usually do.
I think the more suited part of the 600-700cc bikes are long dirt roads trips with some offroad sections where you are carrying the extra fuel attached to it as part of the luggage, yet you are also probably going with some buddy who travels on a truck with his gf/wife carrying all the luggage on the back seats, besides being someone who can give you a hand if shit goes sour mechanics wise.

>>28215231
yeah I think 400cc is good enough for long travel as well
people do it all the time with KTM 390 adv, himalayan 450, G310 GS...

>>28215231
>True, but if you really are going on the freeway for that long, you simply shouldn't be using an ADV bike at all, best would be a cruise
Sure, but even taking offroad out of the equation entirely, if you decide to hit some real twisty roads a adv will do it way better than a cruiser.

>if you NEED the offroad bike, you just load them on a truck, like all the people that got enduro bikes usually do
Sure, but I think most people doing that don't like riding on the road at all and prefer staying offroad. It's a completely different thing doing a big trip completely on motorcycle and driving in a fucken truck with a trailer.

Dunno, it's just my opinion that mid size adv bikes are the kings of doing everything good enough

>>28215033
>>28214950
do you realise how much of an immature retard you sound like

>>28215583
>mid size adv bikes
that category does not exist (yet)
well its starting with CFMOTO 450MT (kind of)

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>>28215598
650-800 is midsize, wtf are you talking about

>>28215598
>>28215602
450 I suppose fits in the midsize category aswell but the segment already exists

>>28215602
>650-800 is midsize
>200kg+ is midsize
retard

>>28215611
If 200kg is a full weight adv bike then what category does a 230+kg GS, KTM 1290, 1260 multistrada, or Africa Twin fit into?

>>28215622
everything over 200 is full weight heavy fat piece of shit that you can only cruise on freeway
its shit in the city
its shit on offroad
why is this so hard to understand

>>28215622
those are just cruisers you sit on top of

>>28215231
>Also 400cc bikes are usually considered a better pick than the 600cc ones mostly due of weight if you want to go into offroad more seriously
That's an artificial limit due to regulations.
If you look at the history of winning Dakar rally bikes, the engine capacity was always increasing until they limited it to 450cc.

>>28215622
Actual adv bikes, manlets not applied

>>28215627
You never answered the question of if you've ever ridden a bike that weighs around 200kg, so I assume you haven't so your opinion is irrelevant

>they argue with amerilards
of course they need a 1000cc bike and 5000cc cars to move their fat golem bodies around their retarded non-walkable cities and wast empty space between A and B

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>>28215645
>seething AGAIN about americans
Again, do you realise how much of an immature retard you sound like

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>>28215645
Here is your bike retarded /n/igger

>>28215650
>>28215654
prove my claims wrong, you brown fat mystery meat creaturas

>>28215657
>*crickets*

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>>28215717
I accept your concession lardass mutt

>>28215657
theres nothing to prove because your claims are retarded

you still haven't posted your bike btw, why not?