I'm seriously considering getting a Tesla Model 3, Long Range or Performance. I'm not a Tesla or EV fanboy, but seems like I'm the perfect use-case for one.>Be me>Work from home>Own my own home, with a garage>Current vehicle is 2012 Honda Accord EX-L V6>Want something quick, but must be 4 doors as one child and one on the way>Would primarily be a grocery getter, or to take the family somewhere for the day>Never go further than ~200 miles, and if I do, I'd be staying the night>In Florida, so warm weather better for a battery>I enjoy fixing things on my car, but don't really have the time to do so anymore, most recent thing was weather-stripping on my windows, which I didn't finish as the wife needed help with the kids>I have the money, and can afford this. Substantial down-payment, low monthly payment>Wife has a CRV, so wouldn't need to rely on the EV for really anything.My other option is a V8 Charger, whether it be a R/T or Scat Pack. I love a V8, and not worried about paying for the gas. But I'm worried about a previous owner of a V8 Charger. The only thing is, the Long Range Model 3 will smoke a car like this in daily driving like I'd be doing. Not going to the track, but merging onto highways, etc.Help me guys. And please be constructive, just calling me an EVfag does nothing to me. I have a beautiful wife and family.
Just take a test drive in all of them and decide for yourself.
>>28206059Buy the Tesla and keep it in your garage, so when it bursts into flames you and your family will burn to death and rid this planet of 3 useless people.
It has to be a performance. The non performance ones with acceleration boost are definitely quick compared to normal cars but they're not like exciting quick. The performance ones are like breath taking quick. I have a Model S Performance but it was about twice as much as the one you have posted. But that shit is a different level of acceleration. Pulls from highway speeds are a little underwhelming but the launches are addictive.
Electric is great, I have owned a Kia EV6 for 3 years, its been great and before that I had a 2018 Chevy Volt. Once you go EV you never go back, they're so smooth and the efficiency is insane. Tesla are also really good for long distance driving as they have the full supercharger network. You really cant go wrong here.
>>28206059Get an EV if you want, but don't get a Tesla. The build quality is terrible. If you want an EV, go for a Hyundai or a BMW, they'll be a little more expensive for the same performance but they're built so much better and they have normal car interiors rather than the gay Tesla "minimalism" meme of just lacking basic features.
>>28206082Everybody has the full supercharger network now, NACS is open for all electric vehicles, you just need an adapter if your port isn't NACS.
>>28206059https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/almost-half-of-u-s-ev-owners-are-planning-to-return-to-gasoline-vehicles/
FYI there are plenty of brand new (2023) 300s and chargers sitting on lots you know. You can even get them below msrp It sounds like you already have a CR-v between you and your wife, what's the point of having to get another car for yourself... ?
>>28206089Not everyone, and even still some Tesla superchargers are still V2 and cant do CCS adaptors. For example, as a Kia owner I still cant use them, at least not for 3 more days. As Jan 15th is the start date for us.
>>28206097You don't want to charge at a V2 anyway, they're slow. They only do 120 kW, not 250, and even 250 is slow compared to the 350 that CCS and V4 chargers are capable of.
>>28206076Lol. K. Have a (((you)))>>28206079Yeah, I'm on honestly going back and forth between LR and P. The P is obviously more attractive from performance standpoint(no-shit). But the one deterrent for the P is replacing the tires. I just don't know if the ~.5s 0-60 will offset that additional cost. That's honestly the only reason I'm even considering the LR.>>28206082>>28206087I'm not really pro or negative EV. I really just like the numbers comparison against comparable ICE vehicles. The AWD is obviously attractive as well. I don't intend to supercharge hardly at all. I drive so seldom, I don't even remember the last time I got gas.Regarding interiors, anything will feel great to me compared to my Honda. I'm still using an aux cord(which I'm fine with, just showing the age).>>28206096So that was true awhile back, but I haven't been seeing the '24 Chargers with 20 miles on them as of recently. I remember for awhile(~6 months back) there were a lot of '23 Chargers, but that seems to have changed, at least near me.And we want another vehicle just to be safe in the event that something happened while the other was out. This was true when it was just the one kid, but with two it's a compounded fear of my wife's.
>>28206059buy one for your boyfriend, too
>>28206137Unironically asking, what's gay about the Tesla? It's an "appliance" that'll need to be replaced every 10 years? Oh, you mean like every other vehicle for 95% of car-owners?
>>28206127Teslas don't have turn signal stalks in the US. I don't think you're prepared for just how bare bones their interiors are. Really, if you want an EV, get literally anything other than a Tesla (or a GM, they're attractive on paper but they're going to nickel and dime you for subscription fees over the life of your car). Yeah, I know they have less range and less power for the same money, but they're not built like shit and they're normal cars with electric power trains, not iPhone wealth/social statements on wheels.
If you’re in the US and set on getting an EV as a transport appliance, it’s pretty dumb to get anything other than a Tesla. Unlike every other manufacturer They are “all in” on EV and basically created the entire market here. Plus they continue to reduce price, add features and understand the EV market better than any other traditional manufacturer.
>>28206059Honestly it’d made for people like you, go ahead and get one. I’d be wary of parking it in the garage though.
>>28206166You actually don't know what you're talking about. The Model 3 only went stalkless in 2024. The used ones he's looking at have the old steering wheel. And Tesla build quality hasn't been a thing in 10 years. Build quality on modern ones is at the very least on par with any other American car.
>>28206160ev, silent, tablet interior, constantly connected to hq so musk can you fuck you in the ass, etc
>>28206059you don't even need one. just keep using the hondas. what you should be getting is a manual sport car for yourself.
>>28206059Lease it or buy used. Better yet, buy a used ioniq which will have a significantly better built interior.
>>28206166>>28206182>>28206242Again, I'm not totally sold on EVs, just like the teslas. There haven't been any other EVs that I'd honestly even consider. Also, if someone can make a better recommendation on a quick, 4 door vehicle, I'm totally open for other suggestions. >>28206245Ehh, I don't really do any real pleasure driving. I've converters running the accord into the ground and just getting a dirt bike to fuck around on, but I'd like to get rid of the honda before it needs some major repair. >>28206246I'm looking at used, low mileage Teslas.
>>28206059Buy what you like, faggot. If you want a Tesla, buy a fucking Tesla.
>>28206361Im assuming your accord is a coupe, that's why you're looking into sedans?
>>28206361CT4-V BlackwingCT5-V BlackwingCharger 6.4 or HellcatGod, if I lived in the US I would have been driving an american V8 already
>>28206363I want a tesla, but I know how anti-ev this board is, so I was hoping to get some reasonable reasons against getting one. Rather than just being called a faggot. >>28206364No, it's a 4 door, but has 120k miles on it and the suspension is rough as fuck, and don't want to put that money towards a used car when I want a new vehicle.
There's plenty of brand new v8 Chrysler 300 lel
>>28206059Tesla is known as “the car Indians drive” where I live. Very unsexy.
>>28206361>if someone can make a better recommendation on a quick, 4 door vehicleI'll give you a hint. They sell about 3 million of them a year. I don't know why you would ever risk your families lives by transporting them in a vehicle that sits at headlight level with all the other vehicles on the roads. Kinda selfish imo but whatever.
>>28206059Are you Indian OP?
>>28206383You realize the CT5-V Blackwing retails for over $100k? At that point you would be cross shopping with 1000hp Tesla Plaids.
>>28206361>what other manufacturers might make fast sedansLet me give you a hint, they made some nice half tracks in the 40's.
>>28206059good:>driving dynamics and performance>just get in and drive like it's an rc car, no need to monitor the water and oil temps, no cold starts>no need to even fully stop when shifting between D and R>no oil changesbad:>car will take pictures and footage of you and your family or neighbors and send them to tesla>depending on your area you might need to give it wifi for it to update itself>why the fuck should the car update itself in the first place>utterly retarded UI having to navigate the fucking screen to activate wipers and open the glovebox>auto wipers not really working well like on normal cars>saves you money only in the long run and if you put a shitload of miles on it, otherwise it makes no financial sense>charging is vastly inferior to pumping gas however you put it>nobody older than 50 will ever figure how to use it because it is unnecessarily complicatedIf you can live with the bad, get it, it's a great daily
>>28206409>1000hp Tesla Plaidswhich we have already established as gay
>>28206385It sounds like you've made your decision and you just want us to confirm it. That's not going to happen, because Teslas are 1. an EV and 2. the worst EVs, so either stop being a faggot and just go buy the thing you've convinced yourself you want to buy and have buyer's remorse in 6 months (or don't if you're a bugman techbro that just wants a status symbol and will convince yourself that you actually like the things you don't like), or stop being a faggot and listen to everybody telling you there are better options for the price even if you want a new (or almost new) EV. If you want to do neither, then you're just a faggot and will be treated as such.
>>28206412It's all performative bullshit.Op is a faggot shilling failing cuckmobiles.
>>28206385So there's nothing wrong with your accord and you're just retarded?
>filename is m3OP is a troll and just having his fun playing with dolls
>>28206059Hey guy, I have a similar situation and just went through this exercise but was considering the model S. I have a kid and a dog, and we live near the mountains, so it we want the room and AWD that S has to offer.Ultimately I decided to not go with the Tesla. Here's why:>No outside door handles or mechanical key override.>No mechanical door release for back passengersIf you're going to drive your kid(s) around in the back strapped to their chair, you have no way of opening the back door if your battery dies or there's an electrical failure (like in a crash). This is a major safety issue. Also, the reason why there aren't door handles is to allow them to lock you out at any time, because using the electric door handles requires authorization from your car which is communicating with Tesla servers. >If the NPC meme was a car this would be it. Especially in white.It's a "me too" car; the acceleration becomes old quick, you're left with a boring car. Every other car I see here in CA is a Tesla, it's like wearing your local team's jersey to fit in, but you're on team NPC s0i boy. Model 3 is even worse, 90% of Ubers are Model 3s, you're driving a taxi, embarrassing.>Driving an iPadYou have to page through your iPad to unlock passenger doors, no turn signal stalks, or wiper stalks (in newer models), everything is done through your touch screen. It doesn't feel like a car, it's an appliance.I landed on the only EV that makes sense: the Porsche Taycan Cross Turismo.
>>28206442Here's my reasoning for the Taycan>Has mechanical interior door handles front and back and manual key override for driver door.>Unique, looks amazing, has tons of different options to customize it to your needs.>Still a car inside; has stalks, shifter, actual buttons for things. Porsche performance and handling.>Superior build quality. Interior and exterior.>Fast charging (if you find it), can charge at over 300kw/h. The taycan won the EV cannonball run from East to West Coast because of this feature.Cons:>Shitty/no autopilotGood. I'd never use this I actually enjoy driving, not sitting in an appliance.>250 mile rangeDon't care,.EVs aren't for road tripping. Plus the fast charging capability means I only have to stop for 10 mins to recharge vs Tesla that can only charge up to 150kw taking 30mins+>Shitty softwareGood. I don't need games and stupid apps to make my car make fart noises.>No OTA software updatesEV are low priority for Porsche and thus their software is outdated compared to Tesla and they don't offer OTA updates. This is a feature IMO.>Charging network Doesn't matter to us since we have our own home with chargers. But, for now we can't use Tesla superchargers but this is a good thing in some cases, because they usually have long lines and are slower than EA's. However Tesla plans to open up their network very soon, last I read was June 2025, so we will get to use both types of chargers.>Inb4 poorfags cope and seethe
>>28206383>>28206387Unironically really like Chrysler 300's, but have horrible things regarding reliability. Also budget is ~30k. Which is why I'm primarily looking at the RT's.>>28206388>>28206403No Saar. I am Brahmin. JK, but the funny thing is, I live kind of in the country and anyone I see driving a Tesla is an old black person.>>28206412Thank you for this breakdown. This is the kind of post I'm looking for. I drive so seldom that the Bad doesn't outweigh the positives(assuming I'm only referring to your list).
>>28206417Fucking hell you're a faggot. Provide a fucking alternative, or give me some reasons to get the RT vs the Tesla. >Teslas are 1. an EV and 2. the worst EVsAgain, I'm not sold on EVs, but I do like Teslas. However, it sounds like you just hate EVs no matter what. >Status symbolI work from home and have a beautiful wife. I really only spend time with my family. >everybody telling you there are better options for the priceI really haven't been given any other suggestions that are comparable in price. I welcome some alternatives. Please. >>28206421OK>>28206426It's 13 years old and assuming something needs repaired. Suspension sucks. The AC doesn't work like it's supposed to. General wear and tear. Assuming something breaks and it's a $1,000 to fix it, I'd rather put that towards ~4 months of a car payment vs the 13 year old vehicle.
>>28206442>>28206444Brother, I appreciate you thinking I can afford the Taycan, but I can't. I do like them though>>28206437Unironically not a troll. I meant to make this thread on Friday, but just been busy. Made a quick screenshot. On the Tesla forums, they refer to Teslas as M3P or M3LR, so just lazily went M3. I'm also open to a MYP if you want to call me a faggot for that as well.
>>28206452You have already received reasons and you are continuing to be a faggot. You have been given the alternatives of several other EVs in this thread and you refuse to acknowledge them because "you really like the Tesla." Go buy it then, faggot, don't look for validation from other people if you don't want to be treated like a faggot.
>>28206458> I'm also open to a MYP if you want to call me a faggot for that as well.I have no qualms about EVs or Tesla, only trolls who rile up /o/ by calling the Model 3 the "real" M3. Lowkey, I like the Nissan Ariya over the Model Y but it fails to match up the specs of the Tesla. I only really prefer it for the interior and exterior.I think you should buy a Tesla and never look back, but see if you can test drive one somewhere
>>28206483Brother, you must have an extra chromosome. You are correct, I do like Teslas, as I've stated. I also don't give a shit about EVs. Tesla is the only EV that I really like. I do however like v8 ICE vehicles, such as the Charger RT.
>>28206500Then go ask your beautiful wife if she would rather have a Tesla or a Charger and go buy whichever one she wants. You're still a faggot because you still begged for validation on 4chan.
>>28206502Why are you so mad, kid? I literally asked you all to talk me out of this, without just calling me an EVfag. Where on the doll did the Tesla touch you?
>>28206510And in response to people attempting to do that you've ignored all criticism of the Tesla you want and gotten offended when people got tired of it and called you a faggot. You're a faggot and always will be, now go hang out with your fellow cool techbro Tesla fanboys on Reddit and rid us of your faggotry, or go buy the Charger and still don't come back.
>>28206515
You should only lease EVs. They lose too much value and there's no demand on the used market. Pre-but extra miles and turn it back in after two years and get a newer model with a fresh battery. You'll save yourself tens of thousands doing this compared to buying one
>>28206059>>In Florida, so warm weather better for a batteryCheck News4Jax, hurricane flooded a garage and caused the Tesla to catch on fire. But if you're high and dry should be fine.
>>28206554Yeah, this has been something that I've been toying around with, but the idea of a lease just doesn't sit right with me. I've gone long enough without a car payment, and I feel like a lease is a forever-car-payment. One of the only reasons I'm considering one is how little miles I put on. I drove home in March of 2020 with ~99k miles on my car, and I haven't even hit 120k yet. If I was daily commuting I wouldn't consider it. I'm hoping that I like it and could trade it in to Tesla for another one in a few years(yes I see how a lease could be argued here).>>28206557Yeah, that's something that does cause some concern, but I'm not in a floodzone at all. If a bad enough storm came, I might would park it in a parking garage in Tampa, but that would honestly be overkill for my current elevation.
>>28206079Performance has stiff suspension though. Not as luxurious.
>>28206444>Unique, looks amazing
>>28206059that's an oldass model. The newest model has superior build quality, ride quality, and adas hardware compared to the picrel.
>>28206938I know man. I originally started looking at getting a new car awhile back because it was so hot in the backseat for my daughter, so I really wanted ventilated seats. But then I saw that you can remote start the AC, and get the temp where you want, which I figured was sufficient. However, I upon researching the '22 seemed to be the sweet spot(before the newest iteration) with less road noise. Now the newest model came out and it has ventilated seats. I really can't justify the expense though
>>28206950well you asked to talk you out of it, at the very least I'd wait a few months. When the newer model y starts taking orders maybe the used model 3 models including the newer ones might get some price hit as people sell/return their 3s
>>28206955Oh, you're not wrong. I've been mulling around with that idea. I noticed that right before the new Model 3 came out, the previous years new models basically went on a firesale. If I could scoop a Model Y Performance for cheap, I might do that.
>>28206566You're being too emotional over something that is going to lose 50% of it's value in 4 years. You are paying more per month than buying it upfront, but you're saving tens of thousands on the back end by avoiding the depreciation and battery replacement costs. It's just a piece of shit made of plastic and lithium that is nothing more than a toy for you to enjoy for a short time, not some forever car. If you were being logical and practical, you'd just get a two year old Honda Accord and drive it for the next decade with no problems. There's nothing wrong with spending your money on something fun, just be smart and it. I'm also telling you to lease it because you're going to see very quickly how bland Teslas are. They are basically the "luxury" trim level of a base model civic and you'll get over the newnwss within a month when you realize how poorly thought out the design is. A hypothetical purely ICE Tesla would be a $20,000 car new prior to covid. That's how bland they are compared to other 60k cars
>>28206076Anon, he says he has one on the way. So assuming his wife and OP are in the house, that assumes his kid is not in the house. Where is the kid, and what’s he doing during all this?
>>28206566If you're only considering trying it out to see if you like it, then leasing is the sole rational decision. I did the same thing with my Alfa Romeos, leased first then bought a used quadrifoglio
>>28206059just cut off your balls already
>>28206515NTA but it's not ignoring, it's called playing devils advocate. You try to disagree with peoples arguments as much as possible to extract as much information as possible. It's not just trying to be a smartass by constantly arguing. A car purchase is a big decision, and you want to know the answers to all the questions.
>>28207018Have you driven a tesla and speak from experience? Genuinely asking. I have a buddy with an RT and love the way it sounds, might need to ask if I can take it for a spin.
>>28206059>>28206127Zero maintenance and always having a full charge just from plugging it in when I park in my driveway is really nice. The one thing I needed fixed - a rattle in the A pillar trim - they sent mobile service out to fix it in my driveway. I haven't needed anything other tires in 60k miles.Consider a Standard Range Plus - the Lithium Iron battery in those has less range and supercharges slower, but has virtually zero degradation compared to Lithium Nickel chemistry. The acceleration is slower than the LR, but it's still better than 95% of what's on the road with you.If you qualify (under 75k single filer, 150k filing married), try to find one under 25k so you can collect the 4k tax credit - it's a god damn steal at that price. I don't qualify because I'm a richfag, so I ended up buying new.>>28206412Footage doesn't leave your car unless you opt in to sharing it with Tesla.OTA updates > taking it to the dealer, why is this a con?There's little to no price premium on used Teslas vs comparable gas cars, so it makes financial sense even before you consider gas and maintenance savings.You have to go to dirty poojeet run gas stations and waste 5-10 minutes of your life every week to give your money to pedophile oil sheikhs. It takes me 5-10 seconds to pop the plug in my driveway to charge my car from delicious American coal power or whatever comes from the grid, I honestly don't care.100% accurate on the auto wipers. I hope Elon fired the guy who designed those.
>>28207075Yes. I leased a base model in 2020 and I'm comparing it against my other car which was an 350 e class. Just go on turo and rent one for a weekend and see how you like you. I enjoyed it a my drive around town car, but it just doesn't feel like a car is pay 60k for after taxl. Let's say you lease it and feel like everything I said is wrong, you can easily buy the car. I'm not one of these retards making a car my personality. I just didn't like it. If you do, them get it and stop worrying about what anyone else thinks.
>>28207018If OP is buying used, someone else already ate the bulk of the new car depreciation for him. Leasing is only if you like spending money on shiny new things. Battery replacement is not a major concern - 8yr, 120k miles warranty. They regularly last 300k miles and beyond.>>28207182Model 3 goes for 30-40k new now, much less used. Agreed that it's not a 60k car, but at its current pricing, I think it eats the lunch of A4, 3-series, C-class etc.E-class is an executive luxobarge. Obviously, it's going to be nicer than a base model mid-size sedan.The minimalist design is definitely a love it or hate it thing. Quality-wise, I think it's comparable to the entry level cars from the usual crop of luxury brands. Definitely better than mass market brand quality. My only real gripe is that I wish Elon wasn't a fag doing the eco-hippie vegan leather shit and gave me dead animal hides for the interior.
>>28207240Yo, great idea on renting one for a weekend on Turo. That's exactly what I'm going to do.
i fucking hate gaylon musk but I can't deny tesla quality; all other cars are a joke in comparison
>>28206855Just get smaller wheels and non-rubberband tires. The roughness is mostly in the stock setup.The better brakes and acceleration in the Performance is worth it. The loss in range is again related to the wheel/tire combo. You get it back by going with sane sizes.
>>28206059Depending on your daily commute length you can trade the launch speed of a model 3 performance for the nu-prius prime and get a more put-together interior and still no gasoline use, but also no need to worry about charging whenever you do take long trips.
>>28207443Is that your tesla? If so, what are some things that you don't like? Annoyances compared to ICE vehicles? Things you really like compared to other vehicles?Also, I thought you were pretty restricted to smaller wheels due to the large brakes?
>>28207746You can fit aftermarket 18" wheels on the M3P, and can go up to 275 width.Overall I like it. There have been rattles I've had to hunt down, and the paint is pretty thin, so rocks/chips happen pretty easily. I wouldn't recommend a full wrap or anything, but the rocker panels and the area behind the back door are most susceptible.The biggest plus for me is not having to deal with gas stations and all the low-lifes that collect there.
>>28206059Book a test drive before buying.
>>28207768>The biggest plus for me is not having to deal with gas stations and all the low-lifes that collect there.Thanks for your response, and albeit, I don't get gas enough for that to be an issue.>>28208867I was looking at test drives and they just gave a super simple, super choreographed ride. Like I pulled out the parking lot, get on the highway, take the first exit, come back to the dealer.An anon above recommended Turo and I found one near me that I'm going to rent for a few days.
I recommend waiting anon. So long as your car holds out the better your EV options are going to be. EV market is about to get saturated in 25 with both affordable and middle vehicles. Look at used if it only for groceries any minor degradation doesn't matter.
>>28210537Rivian R2Jeep Avenger EVChevy Bolt 2Kia EV3OpteriaChevy Equinox WTTesla smallThen RAM Ramcharger, Scout, CyberTruck WT, Silverado EV WT.So unless you need a car today or have 40k laying around we are going to see some serious competion in the market for the entry level.
>>28206059Honestly kudos to you because you are making the pragmatic decision, for you it would be perfect and they're not getting any cheaper than they are right now. If you can spring for a Model 3 Performance it'll be super fun and absurdly fast on the road as well. A new gen Model 3 Perf is an even better car than the old one if you can afford one lightly used. You'll never have to worry about it and you can beat on it on your way to run errands every day with no anxiety.
