Is there any reason for hypercars to be this expensive other than "people will buy it anyways"?
>>28206263Nope.
>>28206263Nobody can see your private jet, it's just a story you tell to people. Whereas everyone can see and feel the presence of your car on the road.
You aren't the intended market, why would you require an explanation? Learn a skill.
>>28206263If you can't a afford a G5, you can't afford private flight.
>>28206263R&D and tooling that has to earned back over tens or hundreds of cars instead of hundreds of thousands
>>28206263You can survive the wreck in the car.
>>28206267>feel the presence of your car
>>28206263the person buying that bugatti has a private hangar with 3 jets 10x more expensive than that one
>>28206276You have to share the roads with niggers.
>>28206267your mom saw and felt the presence of my dick in her ass
I would rather own the Bugatti because I can actually drive it
>>28206263This end of the luxury market is for centomillionaires and above. You can safely assume they owned their midsize jets way before their bugatti's.
>>28206336I doubt if production of one Bugatti costs more than production of this plane though
>>28206276A lot of these small planes/jets come with or are available with parachute systems.
>>28206263Small jets like this are supposed to be lightweight so they are made of most compact materials. Car doesn't care about all of that and they can select really heavy and costly materials. Things change when we talk about bigass luxury planes that cost way more than hypercars cars. Then you can have a fucking jacuzzi in it.
>>28206278You hear the w12 way before you see the car
>>28206427It's w16
>>28206429Then you hear it 4 times more
>>28206324Pretty much. You can't just walk into the bugatti store and ask to finance one, you have to act like you are mr. moneybags to get an invitation to their events.
>>28206263R&D cost. If you're making 10-20 million vehicles in a production run that cost will be spread out to amount to almost nothing per vehicle compared to supercars that may only have a few thousand examples worldwide. Bugatti usually only makes a few hundred of each car.
>>28206267truke
>>28206335kekgottem!
>>28206263no
>>28206446Private jets are also low production
>>28206432>>28206427least retarded American
>>28206263because hypercars are for money laundering more than private jets
>>28206476History rhymes. People sure can buy a ton of personality.
>>28206263Using this pic in OP as some kind of marker for settling any matter about the Bugatti being more expensive is a complete misunderstanding of true wealth.Even the cheapest jet in the US requires a metric fuckton of wealth behind the maintenance, operation, and compliance costs that largely trivialise the actual air frame's cost in most cases.Owning that Bugatti may be a marker, but owning and operating that jet is so far above that Bugatti...
>>28207370>but owning and operating that jet is so far aboveooh la lait's a five-million-dollar car, your argument is invalid
Supply & demand. There are only about 150,000 people in the entire country who are qualified to fly a VisionJet (a commercial pilot <1500 hours certainly can fly one, but insurance would be onerous without an ATP). So you either need to hire somebody in that 150,000 or do the training involved to get it yourself—both are big time expensive and/or big time investments.Meanwhile anyone with a class D drivers license can drive a hyper car. so the pool of potential buyers is generally unlimited.
>>28207370Per mile cost on the VJ is somewhere around $3.25 (including fixed costs at 400 hours per year). Hypercars usually come out to like $30 per mile. Planes are way cheaper in this regard because they are way faster, the miles just melt away when you’re going 310knots. Most hypercars have required annuals, ultra expensive parts and super specific maintenance, its really no different than aviation in that respect.
>>28206263I've got to talk to one of the guys who made those fully carbon electric Mustangs, and he told me that when he initially wanted to sell them at 100 kilodollars a piece (a decent profit on the manufacturing price), multiple separate filthy rich arabs approached him asking the same question- if can they have it for MORE money. Some suggested to rise the price for everyone (which they did), one guy asked for a very special custom version he'll pay a million for so he has the one that nobody else has for the price nobody else paid. And if you think of it, the reason becomes obvious. 100k is cheaper than a midrange Ferrari. It might be rare, bespoke and even fast, but it still loses the stat check on price.If you have a cheap jet, you have a cheap jet. If you have a 5 million dollar car, you have a conversation piece for a couple months, then maybe for a couple times a year when they are out of production. It's consumption for the sake of consumption. Do not try to understand it. They live in a different world of infinite money, they don't compare millions of dollars, they compare orders of infinity of dollars, and being cheap or seeking value is not seen in a good light.
>>28206263The people that buy these buy them because for them it's nothing. For you this is a colossal waste of more money than you'll ever see in your life, for the rich guy that bought one, it's like spending $100 on a pair of sneakers like a negro.
>>28206263Exclusivity is a big part.Even if the actual value with profit can be made at 200k, nobody is going to pay 200k for a car just because it goes a little faster.They will however pay 2 million because it makes them feel special, and part of being special is being exclusive. And anyone could buy a 200k car if they really wanted.
>>28206476>scoffs at rich people for wasting money on cars>wastes his money on cars (b-but for sports!)
>>28206356What's the point? If the engine's out, you can just glide to the ground. The parachute's not gonna save you from a hard landing
>>28208290The parachutes (CAPS) are mostly because Cirrus planes have terrible stall/spin characteristics and if you get into an uncoordinated stall with one you are fucked. Survivability of a spin/stall is zero, you either recover or die.I know Cirrus test pilots who insist its hysteria and that the plane recovers just fine. But the FAA didn’t like it twenty or so years ago so they had to the develop CAPS to get certified.I think the engine failure checklist only calls for CAPS if a safe landing isn’t possible. And in that case you’d rather parachute into terrain than glide at Vso.
>>28206263EVs are democratizing high performance and gas cars arent far behind. A corvette Zr1 costs $170k and has the same specs as a $1M bugatti veyron from 20 years ago. A $60k kia ev6 gt makes 600hp, a low 3 second 0 to 60 and a 170mph top speed. That is solid lambo tier, its as good as a gallardo that was $250k new. A $70k genesis g80 electric is as quiet, smooth and luxurious as a rolls. All supercars offer now is a nameplate. In 30 years well all have 1200hp electric crossovers with a 1000 mile range solid state battery that charges in 5 minutes and lasts as long as an ice engine does
>>28208212I remember a story about a bespoke watchmaker who didn't sell many watches until he increased the price. No one with money wants to show off a cheap watch on their wrist right?
>>28208714Thats why I buy russian watches. Theyre as good as swiss but cost a fraction of the price. Watch quality tends to peak at $4k, anything above that is kinda stupid. With cars its $80k.
>>28208718>With cars its $80k.Ekhm, ZR1 is $175k
>>28208728Im talking about quality, not speed. A $80k luxury car is going to be just as solid, smooth, quiet and comfortable as a rolls royce or at the very least close enough that spending 4x the price minimum wont justify the meager extra benefits. Rolls royces have been BMW 7 series with body kits since 2005 anyway, just get the V12 7 series for a fraction of the price and you essentially have the same car.
>>28208718>>28208736>With cars its $80k.lol no.Especially not luxury.at 80k you're barely scratching luxury brands, you're nowhere close to even their mid tiers.>um actually a top spec toyota is literally the same as a rollsokay bro.peak and utter retardation.
>>28208742A rolls isnt a rolls anymore, its a BMW 7 series with a body kit. It is to BMW what Lexus is to Toyota. Thats why I have an early 90s one. Same with all of them, VAG bought them all up and ruined them. VW, BMW, Mercedes and Porsche are the only european luxury brands left. Why pay more than double for a 7 series only to just get the nameplate?
>>28208742I thin you might overdose Mongolian cartoons
>>28208704Bold of you to assume that we aren't in EV 60s and aren't a single lithium crisis away from downscaling to cuckboxes that would make the FUCKING leaf seem like a supercar. richfags will still have their thousand horsepower evs because they can, your next EV will be something Twizy-tier.
>>28208886Lithium isnt scarce and we have like half the global supply we know about in the usa. Unlike oil lithium can be extracted and reused, circular economies form naturally as a response to scarcity so its not a huge deal. Sodium can replace lithium and probably will for really cheap stuff and large scale installations where energy density and size dont matter
>>28206263you forgot the true cost of a jet which is several millions in maintenance every single time you fly, refueling with extremely expensive fuel, and paying either for license to fly or a pilot. people who purchase hyper cars don't use it enough to even need much in maintaining , and even if they do, the cost is far less than the average for a plane. The only reason to get a private jet is if you have a business to take care of it's costs.
>>28208955Exotic cars have annuals and maintenance schedules no different than airplanes. As mentioned earlier in this thread you have to get to some very serious twinjets (or just helicopters lol) to find aircraft which have higher per mile costs than a Bugatti.Now per hour costs? That’s a bit more comparable, but still not as much as you’d think. Whereas aircraft manufacturers are very keen to have as many A&P’s signed off to work on their products as possible exotics consider maintenance as a key revenue source and do everything they can to make sure qualified labor and parts are scarce. And I have two ports within 30nm that are selling Jet A for $3.95 and $3.25…its 100LL that’s expensive Jet A is usually pretty reasonable.
>>28206267"hey let's fly to aspen this weekend, don't worry about the tickets, let me fly you there!"vs"hey uhh... let's go to the uhh... movies!"
>>28208078>>28208181>Per mile cost on the VJ is somewhere around $3.25 (including fixed costs at 400 hours per year).yeah, nah. this does not accurately represent all embedded costs of aviation and shows the difference of understanding of wealth. Even if you eliminate the cost of a pilot by being one yourself, the cost of the license for a jet rating for you to be able to fly is going to kiss 6 figures alone.>Most hypercars have required annuals, ultra expensive parts and super specific maintenance, its really no different than aviation in that respect.a jet engine and the mechanical/hyrdaulic components of the air frame require far more cost than you seem to be giving an accounting for, and also have a legal compliance factor that an automobile does not. There is no automotive equivalent of a jetplane's logbook. And unlike a car, don't expect to park it for over a month, and then just start it up and go whenever you want after it had been sitting.Speaking of sitting, there's hangar fees(and that gets crazy as soon as you cross a certain wingspan), ground transport, jet fuel which has almost doubled since 2015, And then theres the lovely world of aviation insurance.even a super affordable tail dragger has costs that are far beyond the scope of just the purchase priceMost people simply do not understand the costs of aviation. The Bugatti does have a high cost of ownership even among its peers, thats certain. But as a marker for wealth, the operating costs to support a jet plane are far higher, especially in proportion to the valuet of the vehicle.
>>28208363Is that an anti-stall parachute? Seems quite big to me (but too small to actually land the plane softly).Sounds like a design issue to me. The Cessna 172 definitely doesn't have this issue, and neither do most light aircraft that you tend to see at airfields.Besides, if the maintenance is so bad that the engine can die mid flight, I'd definitely not true the parachute to open.
>>28209149Nibba wutIt’s literally just a parachute because if you spin it you might not be able to recover with normal PARE. And the whole point of the SR22 family is to create an airplane just as easy to fly as a 172 that has a G3X’s, 170kts cruise, four seats you can actually use and a GPH on par with other trainers.The giant wings on 172’s mean you’ll never really be able to use them for anything useful aside from training. Their performance is abysmal.
>>28208742Based Tamaki
