/pol/ made fun of me for wanting pic related. 40k miles
You won't get as much stick about the V6 if you get the Cadillac CTS version instead.
>V6
>>28211714Yeah, that's what they said. I guess GM V6 has a really bad reputation alongside needing the TIMING CHAIN replaced. Wtf
>>28211723Let me guess they said>V6 muscle cars are for niggers
>>28211729Word for word actually
Is this a better real?
>>28211767Yes.
>>28211767it better be real
>>28211767>11k for a 2007 Mustang GT with 116k milesLol, lmao even
>>28211767It's much prettier but slower and it won't handle anywhere close to as well as the Camaro. Old convertibles come with their own set of problems, too. It ought to be cheaper because the eternal 30-year-old boomer that likes these cars thinks a car is used up at 100K miles.Have you test driven these cars, anon?
>>28211688OP, I'm gonna be real with you: if you're even considering buying that, you should temporarily give up on having a "cool" car, get an econobox, and save up for what you really want in a few years.Especially in Boise: wages are low, housing is high, and everyone thinks they're sitting on gold and charges accordingly, because for some reason, nobody ever considers buying a plane ticket to Cali/Seattle/Portland and driving back. Oh, and whatever you do, do NOT trust any buy here pay here located in Nampa, you WILL get fucked over.Hop on FB marketplace and buy the best NPC car you can find for under $5k. Pay in cash, save up, buy the car you *actally* want to buy. The difference in prices between everywhere else and marketplace is especially pronounced here, I'd highly recommend at least checking it before deciding on anything.>>28211767Don't buy this either unless you already have a winter beater IMO, and even then: do you REALLY want a convertible 3-valve?
fello potato boy, bro just use facebook marketplace like a normal person and don't be a retard
>>28211782C/D TEST RESULTS:Zero to 60 mph: 5.9 secStanding ΒΌ-mile: 14.5 sec @ 99 mph https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15147385/2010-chevrolet-camaro-v-6-short-take-road-test/vsC/D TEST RESULTS60 mph: 5.0 sec100 mph: 12.6 sec1/4-Mile: 13.7 sec @ 103 mphhttps://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a18201633/ford-mustang-gt-convertible-road-test/
>>28211688Buying a Camaro with a V6 is like getting a hamburger without the beef. At first glance I was wondering how a Camaro with 40k miles was only 14k. I paid 13k for my G8 GT 7 years ago, 132k miles :( .. has 183k on it now
homie do you got something i can add you on and help you find a not shitty car, i'm in the Treasure Valley too
>>28211791Camaro car is way too heavy for a V6
>>28211791I stand corrected, but the handling on that thing will still be at best "good for an old mustang" and you have to take the boomers at C&D with a grain of salt when they write nice things about these old cars. Especially pony cars. I wonder how the numbers would differ with the automatic that's about 90% likely to be in these cars, too.
>>28211799I don't even use Facebook. I appreciate the offer though. Craigslist has always been good to me but it's dying.
>>28211790I'm trying but I'm also sorta panicking because I'm abusing my current Corolla 2001 to the point of googling signs of axel cracks. It's hit deer and shit and I'm tired of this car
>>28211782No, Boise is an hour away
>>28211819You NEED to get on FB marketplace here to find affordable cars. Boise/the TV specifically is smoking crack on cars due to how isolated we are from larger population areas. Not worth your time trying to find deals at a lot; better to try with regular people, and Craigslist has gone downhill.
>>28211817S197 handle fine, they got rid the axle wander in the 4 link. And if you look at the coupe it pulls the same lateral g as that Camaro.https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15132034/ford-mustang-gt-road-test/
Wonder if these v6 will be swap options. Once that v6 is clapped im betting you can scoop them up for cheap. What engines will drop or close to drop into a v6 camaro?
>>28211852Pretty much anything you want really, it's the same engine bay that already houses the V8.
>>28211837The boomer madness involved into putting all that engineering into muh solid axle..There's no Camaro V6 time on this list but it's embarrassing how far down the 2006 Mustang GT is. And the convertible would be worse.https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a23319884/lightning-lap-times-historical-data/
>>28211856Have to look into stuff. Same front end and stuff I wonder, v6 vs. v8? Have to look into transmissions.
>>28211862>totally discounting tire advancement and choiceIt was 1s slower than a comparably powerful STI and only 2s slower than a SRT8 that had 125hp more, both having more sophisticated suspensions and more aggressive tires but were of the same era. Then look at the 2010 Version once they added an actual handling package. It's 8s faster using the same engine, transmission and suspension architecture.
You fucking autists. Kek. OP here. I found a nice black 2011 Corolla that looks to be a far better deal. I appreciate all the thoughts from here and /pol/ even if they banned me for it. Car purchases as a bipolar autist are nerve wracking
>>28211882You can also pretty much read between the lines of the Camaro article that it's a remarkable car (for what it is) and from the Mustang articles that they're well, not.Torque curves for the 2006 GT and the STI will tell you more about those results than bench racing the suspensions.It was about 5s faster than a comparably powered but much less torquey 2019 Camry, and 5s slower than a 2015 Ecoboost. Isn't the SRT8 a much heavier car?Now compare the S197 variants to turbocharged 4-cylinder pony cars with handling packages.
camaro/charger/mustang threads are the blacked threads of /o/
>>28211882>once they added an actual handling packageAlso this is why would never have bought a pony car in the live axle era, even though I think the SN95 and SN197 look fine, and really liked the Trans Am when I was a kid. I'll probably buy a firebird someday by accident when I'm old and have dementia.
>>28211907Go right ahead and get the cuck mobile NPC Corolla then, everyone will assume youre from a third world country and/or brown
>>28211907Best of luck OP, hope it goes well for you.
>>28211946lets hear what you drive fag
>>28211946I, and I suspect many others, unironically view the econobox driver in a more positive light than the V6 "muscle" car driver.The real third worlder mentality is lacking the ability to delay gratification and paying $14k for a $7k Camaro, or worse, financing a $14k Camaro.
>>28211907A FWD shitbox with snow tires and a roof rack is a great potatomobile, anon. You're not lucky enough to have found one with a manual, are you?
>>28211733luv my v6 mustang
>>28211955I'm unironically considering an AWD Challenger as my winter beater because I just like them and bonus seethe from both sides of the V6 muscle car argument.
>>28211688CheckedI got you covered, Hoss. Here it is./marketplace/item/1073578137298671or if you prefer auto/marketplace/item/310965005335376/or if you prefer nice and complete/marketplace/item/1081613299922252
>>28211989I cut a lot of slack for that situation though: massive difference between the attitude of "this is the most I could get, respect all builds, it can be just as cool/fast as a V8, etc." and "lmao, it sucks, but it's cheap and makes a good beater.">implying my opinion means anything in the first placeIt doesn't, but I'm still right :^)
>>28212023My attitude is that the last generation of muscle cars handle ridiculously better than their predecessors, all of them have plenty of power, the less powerful 5th-6th gen Camaros and S550/S650 Mustangs make great entry-level sports cars for someone starting out that wants something a bit different than a Miata or BRZ. The AWD Challenger is really unique and interesting and I'd like to drive one for a while because there will probably never be a muscle car quite like it again. And they're cheaper and more comfy than a Focus RS and I'd worry less about salt.
>>28211767that gen of mustang has like 1970s tier suspension
>>28212023> the attitude of "this is the most I could get, respect all builds, it can be just as cool/fast as a V8, etc."except this person only exists in your imagination, most people just want a cool commuter and not same gay ass goypod, and the v8s are bad at commuter duty.>"lmao, it sucks, but it's cheap and makes a good beater."that by definition doesn't suck, that's a good car>buy sensible stylish reliable car but be a pussy self-deprecating bitch about itno thanksv6 challenger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever you drive
>>28212074If you think those people don't exist, you should go to more meets lol.Perhaps, but wouldn't you rather have a boring econobox for a few years while saving up, and then buy that really cool car that you actually desire and want to own instead of compromising for something that's just a more expensive version of regular traffic?
>>28212085i go to plenty of meets, those people don't actually exist, v6 people are usually very laid back and just in it for the fnf larp.> but wouldn't you rather have a boring econobox for a few years while saving up,or i could drive a cool-looking econobox like a v6 muscle car, save the same amount of money and when i am ready to get a v8 all i need is the engine/trans which you can buy off ebay for less than the cost of the faggy corolla you drive.
>>28212085It's like, you're only ever going to get to buy one cool car in your life, so you'd better save as long as possible for it? That's how you end up being the guy who buys a corvette when he retires and keeps it in the garage like a hot wheels car. There are happy mediums.
>>28211688>15 year old GM product>that was almost definitely owned by a basketball american or a hairdresserooof that's one way to burn $15,000. you could just light it on fire directly to save time too.
>>28211928>>28211945>again, totally discounting tire advancement and choiceBut why?>Charger/Challenger SRT8 - Goodyear F1 Supercar summer tires>'06 Mustang GT - Pirelli P Zero Nero all seasons>WRX STI - Dunlop SP Sport 600 summer tiresLook at the cars that are comparable with the Mustangs time with the PP once it got some optional summer tires too. >2012 BMW 335i Sport Line, 3:13.2>2010 Ford Mustang GT, 3:13.3>2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR, 3:13.3>2014 Lexus IS350 F sport, 3:13.4>2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR, 3:13.5>2008 BMW 135i, 3:13.7>2012 BMW 335is, 3:13.8>2011 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 R-spec, 3:13.8>2011 Subaru Impreza WRX STI Sedan, 3:13.8>2013 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 R-spec, 3:13.9>2008 Lexus IS F, 3:14.0>2012 Volkswagen Golf R, 3:14.0Tires will tell you more about those results than bench racing the suspensions. Also Firebird/Trans Am first got the WS6 handling package almost 50 years ago. You don't know what you're talking about.
the reason v6 muscle cars get a bad reputation is literally just the mustang being a floppy lra piece of shit with exploding driveshafts all the way to 2012
>>28212140>the reason v6 muscle cars get a bad reputation is literally just the mustang being a floppy lra piece of shitThen why was it faster and handle better than the V6 fbody?>with exploding driveshafts all the way to 2012That wasn't even a problem until 2011, your Mustang hate boner is making you look pretty retarded.
>>28212099I'd love to go to the meets you attend then, I'm unironically jealous.Maybe I'm mistaken in my definition of 'econobox' or overestimating how much AWD Challys cost. I'm thinking like $5-7k, reputably reliable, simple/cheap to maintain, etc. If you can get a <100k mileage one for that price, good on 'ya.>>28212100Not necessarily, but I honestly think we're at the point where younger people are getting so screwed over in so many aspects of their lives that if they don't take a masured approach, some of their dream cars are actually at risk of becoming unobtainable. This of course only applies to "normal" cars: none of us are going to ever be able to foot the bill for an F1 or any other $1M super whatever.But on a practical level, if I want a used 911 that costs, say, $50k and I only have $20k to spend now, and I'm able to save $10k per year, I could either buy a $20k Cayman, Corvette, etc. and get a small taste right now, or I could buy the $5k Corolla econobox, suck it up, and buy one in 3 years. The "less special" cars are still obeying depreciation for the most part, so while the 911 might cost 55-60 in 3 years, the Cayman/Corvette/etc. is likely to be worth less than it is right this moment.Probably doing a shit job of it, but I hope my general point is getting across: spend wisely, because the cars we grew up loving are getting harder to acquire and hold on to, so don't waste your money on the Sentra Nismo or whatever the current meme is. Not trying to give anyone a hard time, just that I see too many people in my area making foolish decisions when they could get what they aspire to if they had planned it out better.
>>28212162>I'd love to go to the meets you attend then, I'm unironically jealous.it's based nobody acts like a huge chestthumping fag irl like a few do here. people get humor and laugh instead of seething.> I'm mistaken in my definition of 'econobox' or overestimating how much AWD Challys cost. a decent 2012+ corolla and a 2012+ 3.6 rwd chally both cost about the same on used lots, roughly 10 grand.awd challys are rarer than hellcats however, they are 2015+ and usually only found up north.>reputably reliable, simple/cheap to maintainLX bodies have a great reputation for this. they're even easier to work on than japanese cars because they are so big and common you really can find parts on the side of the road sometimes.
>>28212210What is that, a fuckin' monster truck meet?
>>28212161>why was it fasterit wasn't>and handle better than the V6 fbodythe fbody was also a floppy lra pile of shit that had the additional handicap of being assembled by califonians
>>28212219>i ONLY buy cars made from slave labor in detroit!!>you KNOW it's Q U A L I T Y because black or indigenous hands of color built it!!!
>>28212210Still jelly: most around me are half comprised of people who have the tiktok brainrot and feel the need to flex the Dodge Dart or clapped ecoboost for attention. I'd normally laugh it off, but they get the nice meet spots shut down from revving or driving like dumbasses in the parking lot.$10k is still a lot IMO, but maybe I'm just too much of a boomer.>you really can find parts on the side of the road sometimesDamn son.
>>28212224>ebonics
>>28212224turbo dodge darts with the fiat 1.4 are pretty cool tbqh, i had one when i first started going to meets and it got lots of attention for being new and the turbo sits right on the front of the engine where everyone can see it.the 2.0 and 2.4 are unredeemable shitboxes however. fucking hyundai/mitsu world engine shit.>>28212223brampton assembly is in canada and employs pakistani sikh immigrants. the 3.6 engines are made in mexicothat's why the cars are so good, no americans are actually allowed to touch them until completed.
>>28212234>1.4L fwd USGPMT+ bullshits are cool!!!
>>28212122Because I think you're having a little bit of a reading comprehension fail. OP was looking to buy these 10+ year old cars off a used lot and I'm sure either actual one would undoubtedly benefit enormously and roughly equally from new tires - they've probably got beat all-seasons on them anyway - and a bit of sorting out. That goes without saying. But the numbers at C&D are representative of the cars as delivered to the automotive press, which was my point. And they're not impressive for the 2006 GT. The fact that Ford delivered it that way figuring they would get the "muh boomer nostalgia" treatment is just damning. They're not all that impressive for the 2010 model either - 2 seconds slower than a 2015 Ecoboost. Also just look at the contemporary cars that the other, better S550 models can hang with. The WRX STI (which is a car I like a lot, will not turn down the opportunity to take for a spin, but would not buy) ought to do much better with its more modern suspension and summer tires, right? Why didn't it? Hint: I already told you.
>>28212234Perhaps cool when new, but how much of that was shiny new toy syndrome? No offense, but do you think those are still cool in 2025?And I assure you, they're most often the latter, and they're also coincidentally the ones chestthumping the loudest.
>>28212162If your credit is good, you can buy a new Corolla, invest the 20K, and your TCO will probably be no more than owning a Corolla shitbox. The demand for late model used Corollas is absurd.Or you could do the same with a RWD sports car with decent TCO like whatever's affordable in a BRZ, Miata, or 6th gen Camaro or 7th Gen Mustang (this is not an exhaustive list) and spend some time and money learning to drive a sports car before you wrap that 911 around a tree.
>>28211688OP here are your best options:Used 2019 Audi A6 Prestigehttps://www.carfax.com/vehicle/WAUM2AF21KN0468062019 Lexus ES 350https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/JTHBZ1B13K20046082010 Ford Mustang GThttps://www.carfax.com/vehicle/1ZVBP8CH5A5126568\2000 Porsche Boxster Basehttps://www.carfax.com/vehicle/WP0CA2984YU6215492014 BMW 5 Series 528ihttps://www.carfax.com/vehicle/WBA5A5C53ED5016802013 Audi A4 Premium Plushttps://www.carfax.com/vehicle/WAUEFAFL4DN032967
>>28212247>But the numbers at C&D are representative of the cars as delivered to the automotive press, No shit you mouth breathing mongoloid, that's expressly why I pointed out that the Mustang GT came with all seasons and ran laptimes comparable to cars with summer tires. >They're not all that impressive for the 2010 model either - 2 seconds slower than a 2015 Ecoboost.>2010 Ford Mustang GT, 3:13.3>2015 Ford Mustang Ecoboost, 3:15.6By less than 2s slower, you mean over 2s faster?>Also just look at the contemporary cars that the other, better S550 models can hang with.>purposefully trying to ignoring tire advancements for the 3rd post in a rowLol, holy fuck you're actually retarded.
>>28211688Why the fuck are you fags only recommending such shit cars?E30 325i with a huge turbo, E39 530i, E92 or LCI E90 335i, 2011 F10 528i (everything after has a fucking 4cyl), W124, R129, W140, and W201 are all in that price range and better than any car previously mentioned in here
>>28211688>>28211767>>28212266https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_balancev6 has awful engine balance
>>28212271Not in Boise, Idaho, my friend. Idaho is surrounded by mountains which means almost all cars are either owned fully by rich people who garage them 24/7 and don't re-sell, or they are trucks, 4x4, whatever. None of those cars will be available used at reasonable used car prices.(the rare exception being the 528i I posted above >>28212266)
>>28212274Ok so get one shipped goddamn>i HAVE to drive a rusted USGPMT+ bullshit because okay!!!!
>>28212275>shippedHe might as well go fly out and drive it back.
>>28212276That's what I'd actually do too
>>28212280Or do the Audi European Delivery program and make a fun trip out of it.For anons who don't know you travel to Germany, buy the car at the Manufacturer, they give you a little tour and some history, it comes fully to your spec, you get a discount, drive it around in Germany to make it "used" (whatever miles you put on it while out) and then ship it back having bought your "used"/new car.
>>28212272it's not 1960 anymore grandma, they don't make 90-dgrees anymorevq, gmhf and pentastar are all 60-degree, all have sequential firing order and counterweighted cranks making them smooth as a lolis butt
>>28212299Actually, despite the improvements to the crankshaft and counter-balance by angling, they will never have perfect engine balance.It's like how trannies will never be women.
>>28212272Why did you respond to >>28211767 ? That's not a V6.
>>28212295Disgusting.I'd NEVER buy a fucking vw
>>28212305I was pointing out that some cars are better than others. :^)
>>28212306Sadly BMW ended their European Delivery program leaving me unable to recommend the true chad-chariot.
>>28212253>No offense, but do you think those are still cool in 2025?the fiat 1.4 sounds like absolute sex and the car looks good and handles well, sure i'd buy another. but it was dogshit slow so i'd tune it.>>28212241the dart is 90% alfa romeo giulietta, same engine and transmission, even the control arms on mine still had fiat-alfa-lancia badges. it's literally a fiat 500 abarth with rear seats and a trunk.
>>28211688Buy a polsurp V8 AWD charger and put a cam and exhaust on it
>>28212531ex-cop chargers all need full top end rebuildsv6s are better buys used
Is boise an inflated market? >set autotrader search to nationwide>find the exact car you want at a price you want>fly and pick it up and drive homeIf you are working with a white salesperson who seems competent , and doesn't set off alarm bells, you can arrange shit beforehand , and be out of the dealer in one hour. Can do same with private seller, but most wont take you seriously until youre right in front of them. If you're willing to look outside your local market, which the average normie absolutely will not, you can find some good deals. Or look at some public auto auctions, and lurk until you find some charity donated 1 owner cars in good shape.
>fly out and drive it backYou won't do too many test drives that way.
>>28211767yep nothing better like a v8 exhaust with the top down (I never experienced this but I imagine)
