If I just want a shitty econobox to allow me to save for the car I ACTUALLY want, what is the best one I can get for under 6-7k that won't break down on me trying to get to my job at the asbestos factory I'm bumfuck pennsylvania
>>28212764Fuck, in*
Honda Fit
>>28212764your budget is high enough to use autotrader, don't have to wallow through shit on fb and cl
>>28212764Check your local auction listings. I wouldn't go this route if you're a wrenchlet though.
>>28212764Toyota has a meme tax so that's out of the picture, Pennsylvania I assume you want AWD to not eat shit on snow something like a 2009 Honda CRV should fit the bill nicely. Reliable and proven k24 engine and frequent trans fluid changes will get you to 300k miles with minor maintenance. Avoid 2010-2011 crvs as they have oil consumption issues. If the CRV is too much car for your purposes then a Honda fit will be a perfect shotbox
>>28212764Buick 3800 V6 (comes with bonus car)
Honda civic/accord avoid the 06 and 09 civics they had a problem cracking blocksToyota corolla/camryPlenty of these in the $6-7k range that will last a long time
>>28212936Only the R18 engine had cracking block issues. Ask the owner If they had theirs replaced under the warranty extension, of so you're golden
Ford Focus or Mazda 3/6
Buy a Manual Fit
We get these threads all the time. Most people are on a budget expecting to make it rich in 5 years lol.There are too many cars and configurations that there is no "best" at anything. We need to know more about what you're looking for, most cars 2010-2014 are fine for your requirements.I recommend a mazda or a chevy of some kind, they're reliable and honda parts seem to be noticeably more expensive.
>>28212764All used cars eventually need a major repair or break down. Trying to anticipate this is near impossible.You should buy a used car based on ease of repair and part cost. A used car with the preventative work done and the flaws corrected (like timing sets or cooling systems or known sensors) is out of your price range in current year.
>>28212936>Plenty of these in the $6-7k range that will last a long timeThey will need gaskets addressed, timing sets, fluid changes, and will have cooling system issues post 100k. They also tend to be rustbuckets with bad door handles and hood latch issues along with being beaten to shit by ricers.
>>28212764You can never go wrong with a Civic. And despite the bad rep the 7th generation gets (2001-2005), it's more reliable than most cars out there and it's still fun to drive despite making only ~100hp. If you need something with a little more luxury you can try a Mk4, 5, or 6 Golf or Jetta, but you have to get the right engine. Either the painfully slow 2.0 non-turbo, or the 2.5L 5 cylinder. Both are pretty much bulletproof. Some diesels are ok too. If you need something a little more practical get a Mazda 3.
>>28213127>the 2.5L 5 cylinder.This will require an oil filter housing manifold repair since the phenolic warps. It uas happened to every 5cyl I've seen. It's a 7 hour repair if you do it yourself and you'll need triple square sockets to do it.
>>28213127>And despite the bad rep the 7th generation gets (2001-2005), it's more reliable than most cars out there and it's still fun to drive despite making only ~100hp.Oil leaking cvt breaking trash. Good luck finding one that hasn't been riced and doesn't need major repairs.
>>28212813This is probably the best option. 2000-2005 buicks and pontiacs are pretty easy to fix and the parts are cheap. Might have issues with the 4t60/65 transmissions though if the fluid wasn't regularly changed.
Really any manual FWD econobox in good shape is going to be pretty OK. Hondas and the Mazda 3/Ford Focus/Volvo S40 are engaging cars.That said, paying cash for a used compact is a bit overrated for frugality - new compacts have very low total cost of ownership if you have good credit. In five years you'll have the equity in the car to trade in, and you'll have somthing nice to drive in the meantime.
>>28213116My req is just something that will last the next 5-10 years without costing me more in major repairs than financing on a new compact would.Anything good on snow is a plus just because of location.
>>28213363Run the TCO calculator on Edmunds on a few models and years, new and used. You might be surprised. Leave finance costs in even if you can afford to pay cash - if you pay cash for a car you can't invest it. Passing up on that money is roughly equivalent to paying interest anyway. Most modern econoboxes will be fine in the snow with all-seasons and even better with snow tires.
>>28212779What about an '08 crv, can't find many good condition '09's
>>28213221>Mazda 3//Volvo S40Literal moneypits.>>282133631st thing: STAY AWAY FROM TURBO CARS if you are penny pinching.If you can wrench you want a VW with a manual or any modern Ford (2006 up to 2014), the repairs are hard, the parts aren't really cheap but not too bad, and they are reliable for long intervals of no maintainence plus info is everywhere for repairsIf you can't wrench you want anything with a 3800/3.8l GM or any GM v6/v8 just stay away from the ecotec 4cyl.If you want an econobox get a versa manual or an early Scion (1st gen) manual, if you can wrench it's pennies, if you can't it's still cheap, and they sell for under $7k from a dealer. Good for 300k miles if maintained.
>>28213431The 2nd gen CRV with the k24 isn't a bad option but they start coming apart at 100k and require continuous repair.
Get a Nissan Versa with the manual trans at .9% APR and shut up.
>>28213127I second the civic but insist on the 8th gen civic. If you can get a later 8th gen with the fixed R18s or an early one that had the engine replaced under the warranty extension then you'll be golden mine has 350k miles
>>28213585What if i can't drive a Manny Tranny, anon
>>28213618Now is the time to learn.
>>28213363Just get any old high mile subaru for $3k. Check the fluids, then test drive it for 20 minutes to make sure it doesn't overheat
>>28212764Just get an E30 325i, E39 530i, or E92 or LCI E90 328i already goddamn
>>28213618If my ancient great grandma could learn manual trans in the 40s, you can learn it in 2025.
>>28213478Same platform as the Focus, though Mazda went their own way for the 3rd gen 3..
>>28213618You learn.
>>28213133known recall covered under warranty, so likely a non-issue. the vacuum pump will probably shit the bed though, and that isn't covered. not the worst job and a block off/delete is a viable solution
>>28213647>E30 325i, E39 530i, or E92 or LCI E90 328iMoneypit and wrenching nightmare>>28213636>Just get any old high mile subaruMoneypit.> for $3klols>>28213915>known recall covered under warranty,It seldom leaaks while under warranty. It was so bad and hapoened so often the NTSB had to issue a bulletin.
>>28213672>Same platformWow, it uses the same unibody, big woop, totally different car.
>>28213994What would you recommend then, wrench anon
4cyl manual Camry on snow tires with the minimum insurance coverage necessary in your state.You're gonna forget you even have a car when you look at your bank statements.
>>28212764whatever you buy for 7k will be good for a long time. unless youre a retard and dont know how to shop for a car.
Modern BMWs are nightmares to service and repair.
>>28213135The 7th gen civic never came with a cvt though. Also the oil leaks are just gaskets that need to be replaced every 100k miles or so. Also, it's pretty easy to find a non riced 4 door because they made them in the millions>>28213595This is also a good option, but me personally I don't like the styling of the pig fat 8th, so...
>>28213133>>28213915I've never had an issue with no oil filter housing. The only issues I've had with mine was when the secondary air pump hose (plastic) cracked, but that was easily fixed with some electrical tape. There aren't any known issues besides that on these engines. I think the earlier ones had more issues, but they ironed it out in 2008-2009
>>28213994>Moneypit and wrenching nightmareWrong and delusional.
>>28214888>Wrong and delusional.I own one and wrench on many. They are anti-mechanic and nothing is cheap.
>>28214878>The 7th gen civic never came with a cvt though.All 7th gen civic autos are cvt.>>28214886>I've never had an issue with no oil filter housingOil filter manifold. It was an issue for any of the 2nd gen 5cyls, there are service bulletins, forum posts, and an NTSB safety bulletin about it. It's a continuous slow drip until it is replaced when it goes bad, and it will.
>>28214620>What would you recommend then, wrench anonI already did.
>>28214924You own an E30 325i, E39 530i, and both an E92 and LCI E90 335i? Breakfast in engines. Right now.Oh, you can't? Kek. Fucking pussy.
>>28214944I own an e90, I'll post breakfast later, drove a different car today. I have wrenched on bmws since the mid 90s.
>>28214960No you don't, no you won't, you may have driven a different car today, and lol no you haven't
>>28214944>>28214960>>28214999BMWs are not and never have been cheap, reliable, easy to work on daily drivers. You're also a dumb nigger faggot. I bet you're trans btw.
>>28214939>All 7th gen civic autos are cvt.You are retarded
>>28215109>>All 7th gen civic autos are cvt.>You are retardedHoly shit where do you people come from...
>>28214876>Modern BMWs are nightmares to service and repair.
>>28215103Nta, but my BMWs have been the most reliable cars I've ever owned.Basically never had anything go wrong with them aside for shit I've broken myself.
>>28215135>Basically never had anything go wrong with them aside for shit I've broken myself.Good for you, still doesn't make them mechanic friendly or cheap to repair and maintain.
>>28215118>This retard can't read>Honda offered 3 different transmissions>The CVT was exclusively for the hybridRight, because a CVT has 4/5 gears, mhm.
>>28215173>Right, because a CVT has 4/5 gears, mhm.HOLY FUCK YOU ARE DUMBThe d17a1 got the 4 spd, the 1.8 got the 5 spd.
>>28215103So no breakfast on engine? Kek fucking pussy
>>28215141My E39 is cheaper to maintain than my gs350 was. The E39 is also much more mechanic friendly than the gs350.
>>28215301Nigger that's literally my breakfast.
>>28215304No one believes you.
>>28215189k now you're just trolling
>>28215345Which part?
>>28213126>a car will need basic maintenance.yes, thank you for that.>>28212813These are tempting but getting up there in age now with rust and whatnot (everything else aside from the engine falling apart)
>>28212764The best part? It'll end up being the car you ACTUALLY want and need.
>>28214886>secondary air pump hose (plastic) crackedI've gone through two of these connectors. gave up and taped the third down. it's held for a year so far. fuck the frigid north>>28214939>known issue announced by VW in 2012 >the 2.5 was still in production (though barely tbf)>recall issued and fully covered by warrantysorry your new to me jetta had an issue some cunt didn't fix and got passed down to you, but it's a bit of a nothingburger. there's barely any chatter on forums because anyone that didn't just get this sorted immediately after the notice was issued would have just shown the bulliten and had it sorted at the dealership (for free) in comparison to actual mk6/07k nonsense (e.g. vacuum pump failures, pcv leaks, eating control arm and pendulum mount bushings)also>nigga can't even read wikipedia notes on transmission typesstay in your lane and stick to just getting hongda facts wrong
>>28213127nigga dont wanna be swapping water pumps and fixing timing chains. Stay away from VW and just buy a Corolla and some snow tires.
>>28216099>sorry your new to me jetta had an issue some cunt didn't fixI don't own one, I have fixed dozens though.>stay in your lane and stick to just getting hongda facts wrong7th gen civics all have cvt though?
>>28216068>yes, thank you for that.Act all high an mighty if you want but literally no one does it.
>>28215356Shiw me a 7th gen civic auto that's not CVT. I'll wait.
>>28215443>Which part?The part where any BMW is easy to wrench on.
>>28216150like, all of them. except the hybrid model that nobody bought
