When I make it I am buying Mustang
>>28215621that's a cool car
Camaro and Challenger are cooler
>>28215643Let me know whenever they go in production
>>28215621C7 Corvette better
>>28215621At least buy a classic one.
>>28215646Anon is poor he isnt buying a new Mustang anyway so your argument is invalid.
>>28215718Cabbagebro OP has the good taste to want an s550+ Mustang. Solid rear axles are boomer nostalgia garbage
STANG GANG
I'm also an eastern euro and I'm getting a manual SS Camaro when I make it. I'm torn between facelift 5th gen and early 6th gen. They cost about the same, but the former looks better and the latter drives better.
>>28215643>copies are just as cool!!@!Lol, lmao. Akin to >>28215646 If either were "cooler" why did they both stop production multiple times?
>>282159596th gen all the way, do not get the way inferior 5th genI had a 6th gen camaro v8 and regret selling it everyday
>>28215959Always, always, get the better handling car.
>>28215621good luck, eurobro, I believe in you.you may have to step up to the plate and marry samantha (35 with 2 kids) to get your green card but it'll probably be worth it.
>>28216022C7 Corvette is superior in every single metric
>>28216142Cost. You can get a nice 1LE for about $10K less than a nice base C7.
>>28215621Me too.DropDeadSexy
>>28216196>>28216157Still a C7 is better
>>28215621Do it my dude. They’re hella fun.Make sure you get an MGW shifter and RXT McLeod clutch if you’re going with the MT 82 trans if you want to “bolt on” your way to 550+. At 600 you’re really pushing the MT 82s limits. 10R80 can handle whatever you throw at it until you’re pushing 800+. Those ten speeds are pretty legendary.Engine, you don’t have anything to worry about with the coyote. Fucker loves boost, beat on it all you want. Reliable as hell. Nothing beats a tremec trans though(Mach 1, Shelby’s)I’m partial to the S197 chassis, it has way too much power(Shelby, or GT pushing 500+) for its wheelbase and live-rear axle. Absolutely makes you feel like a hero when you’re getting it right, but don’t fuck up because you will destroy the car or a crowd. My cars traction control is just a light that blinks and nothing happens. Definitely a 60-130 car, not a stoplight to stoplight car. S550 did away with that, but many people think it looks way cooler. I’m not one of those though, still looks good; just isn’t my thing. Still super fun to drive, won’t try to kill you at 550+whp
>>28216200Brett LaSala is pushing 3khp with stock valves, stock crank, Gt350 heads, and a factory sleeved block. 6.26 seconds @ 224 mph. Has a plate, registered, does drag and drive events all the time, still has the same motor. Fastest time at TX2K24, FL2K, sickweek, and drag and drive is a coyote. An LS/LT isn’t pushing anywhere close to 3k without a billet block, not to mention not one corvette is in the elite 8 at TX2K not even one LS. When it comes to the fastest street cars USDM, it’s dominated by TT coyotes and vipers my dude. So when you say a C7 is better, yeah stock, and around a track, sure, other than that, no… it’s not.
>>28216206Nice anon. I like the looks of the S197 maybe a half-notch better than the S550 but I like to be able to turn. Have rented a 10spd and can confirm they're super driveable. Absolutely recommended. Absolutely over the old 6spds. For the time being not for me though, but I'm probably going to come around.
>>28216221100% can confirm my car can’t turnI don’t blame you for preferring the 10 speed my dude. Those transmissions shift fucking right, and they’re reliable. If it came down to an MT82 vs a 10R80 Id pick the ten speed even though it would hurt my soul.
>>28215621Mustangs are fat and lifeless. The isolation between driver and road is too much. Go drive one, they're crap.
>>28216226You couldn't have told me anything that would have made me want an automatic but after living with the MT82 for a while - I had been used to Mazda, Honda, VAG and some obscure others - I don't know if it's the unlovable nature of the MT82 or the short shifter the previous owner put in, but I don't love it. Oddly chonky. I also get the sense Ford is designing the ECU/transmission/ESC etc as a system now and the manual is an afterthought so things don't work together quiter as well as they *could*.
>>28216235you read the part where OP is eastern european?
>>28216235What do you mean the isolation between the road and driver is too much? Absolutely know what the hell you’re doing in a 400+hp rwd car with the shittiest traction control known to man. I would agree if you said VR38 GTR, I’ve owned both.. but you absolutely need to pay attention when you’re pushing a high hp mustang…S197 or S550But I get the feeling you just hate mustangs, and that’s cool dude; go get a Porsche or something.
>>28216235Feedback is not at Italian levels in a Mustang, but try one with a factory handling package - they're very transparent and fairly precise, a lot like a stock Mazda until you start really swinging that mass around. Or you use the accelerator.
>>28216245Heavily agree, the MT82 is just “weird” and not a good kind of weird. If you want to keep the car stock and push it every once in a while, sure, manual, go for it; but there are countless examples of the MT82 grenading itself when you start to push 500+…. Or if you daily drive bang through gears and have fun with it often.
>>28216263theres an alternative that comes with higher trim versions, no?tremec i think?might be a 2024 mustang thing
>>28216268Mach 1, Shelby GT350 and S197 GT500s come with TR 6060s and I think I’m not sure that the 350 comes with a 6061The Dark horse s650 comes with a Tremec as well, but I really think that Ford keeps the MT82 in the GT spec to keep costs “low”, I mean… the coyote is such a well built and expensive(comparably) motor. In 2013 when they released it the GT was going for 39-45k pushing 420hp, and that trend has continued. Looking at the other manufacturers, and what they offered… it was really attractive for the price. I think the only way they could offer the manual to keep costs the same as the automatics was to contract with getrag.I could entirely be talking out of my ass though, that’s speculation
>>28216277i find that odd, in the EU, the automatic is a 3K€ upchargeand i double checked, yes, only the dark horse gets it, i thought it was on the GT premiums aswell
>>28216298Yeaaaah But I mean… in the EU…You guys get a shitload of stuff we don’t that is super cool. Trade off has to be somewhere.
>>28216307for the mustangwe dont get any low-trim options....whole hog or nothing at alltheres a couple thing we also dont get in europe, most notably a F-150 with the coyote, all we get is ecobombs.sadly i wasnt aware of the transmission thing, might have held off for a while so i could afford a dark horse
>>28216320The F-150 coyote….The Mexican GTR lolFollow TRCs “work truck” build, fully stock internals minus fuel injectors, booster fuel pump, cooling, and a single piece drive shaft. Coyotes are fucking insane motors.
>>28215643they're also extremely problematic in eastern europe. Official distribution is limited to non-existent, and parts need to be imported. Meanwhile you'll get your mustang fixed at any ford dealership.
>>28216250Not the same anon here. I went out with my friend in his GT, first time i'd been in a Mustang since i'm a bong. While he drove like a hooligan I couldn't feel egat the wheels or suspension was doing. Went down the motorway at about 120-130 mph and the whole car felt like it was floating and swaying and I felt fucking uneasy as there was a complete disconnect between the car and the road. When we got back to his, we hopped into my F-Type, flew it down the mitorway at about 120-140 and it felt like we were nailed to the ground. My mate was remarking at the extreme difference in feel and the suspension. So if all Mustangs feel like that, other anon is pretty spot on with his observation.
>>28216421you see, a mustang is engineered for a 400 pound driver, so as a man of normal weight you will never feel the road. however, in your F-type you feel the nuts and bolts loosening instead of the road
>>28216423I’ll agree with your position. 150+mph mustangs, especially the s197 trap air in the front and make the car feel very floaty.It’s terrifying.I thought the other anon, the person who I was replying to was saying effectively “you can’t telegraph road response to the car to get a visceral feeling of it being a drivers car…” which is very wrong, but yes, it is a straight line speed car for the most part(s197, absolutely is)…For the goal the Mustang is trying to achieve though, it is a very raw experience. I thought the anon I was posting to was trying to say the opposite which I disagree with. Idk, I could just be retarded and have interpreted him wrong because I agree with you in that sense.
>>28216423My bad dog.That reply was meant for >>28216421
>>28216431No problem mate, I read it as the general feel and connection to the road. My friend has an S550 so no idea how they stack up against other Mustangs in how they differ. Interesting that these would be a raw experience your way. The raw experience for me was driving an Ariel Atom, a Caterham Severn and my friends Lotus Elise 220. But us bongs love our go karts.>>28216423You presume too much that my F-Types nuts and bolts would have the chance to loosen through all the rust.
>>28216462An atom, caterham, Elise, fuck… even an S2K from Honda… my car can’t touch the level of raw driving feel those have unless I was driving an ‘05 Ford GT. Out of all the cars I’ve driven, to compare something with a drastically different “goal” that accomplishes the -same- visceral feeling I’m talking about would be a tuned/built STi or Evo. Different cars, different raw experience, but paralleled in excitement from the experience…If that makes sense? Definitely won’t parallel the cars you mentioned(Arom, Elise, Caterham), no matter how much power they make but fuck….a manual GT(Mustang) is fun as hell to drive with plenty of response from the road to make the next decision. Also, F-Types, know nothing about them, they were supposed to be competitors to the C7 when it debuted. There was a rust problem? Huh…
>>28216470The rust thing I was joking, since other anon was bringing out the Jaguar/bong build quality banter. The only rust they could get was on the sub frame as they were steel but the rest of the car is aluminium, and in the winter we salt our roads heavily. But just get it treated if and when needed. I never had any rust issues on my old F-type. The F-Types generally were pretty alright reliability wise, mine had a few things here and there but nothing that kept me off the road. Generally my experience if owning it was great, I would recommend an F-type both V6 and V8 to anyone.Yeah that absolutely makes sense. The raw sense for your mustangs is the raw power and lack of drivers aids. Very brutish style which I appreciate that. Different sense of raw. In Britain we have a lot of extremely tight country lanes with very high hedgerows making the corners blind, some were so tight I had to fold both my mirrors in just to get the old Jag down it. With terrible tarmac thrown into the mix, we have to go down a different path of raw feeling and handling than power, because we'd die every time we had a spirited drive in the constant cold grey damp weather. Also view from the passenger seat from the Elise pictured, low as fuck.
>>28216484>>28216484Unless I’m mistaken, I remember looking at the XKR before the F-Type in Burgerland and saying “dude, that shit is straight pornography…it’s not paid Brazzers porn like the DB9, but it’s definitely xVideos level.” The community for British cars here at the foreign enthusiast level is so underwhelming…it’s mostly German, when I go to meets, or events the sentiment seems “Yeah, with a downpipe and a fuckin email I can make 800hp on my F82 M car” echoed by tons of similar foreign enthusiasts here…which is cool, fine, whatever; but I’ll say to me personally hugging 1.0+ lateral Gs in something that weighs < 3k lbs pushing 300-500hp won’t be something you get unless you have a road specifically built for that. You’ll hear us burgers say “oh, just take the rural back country roads” and yeah, -some- but those roads typically are either gravel or so filled with potholes we don’t get the chance to feel the excitement of that parallel “raw” nature you’re describing.We still get twisty roads, but not to the attitude/level your twisty roads are; only to empty onto a straight frontage road that has exits onto an interstate or highway. This conversation makes me want to look at an F-type/XK, if I can get that raw “fuck you” straight line power with the ability to turn 1.0+ Gs I want to feel that.I gotta say though, a 60-130 mph of 4.8 seconds in a 100 wet shot, e85, VMP GEN III R SC, tuned(won’t list all mods unless you give a fuck) 2012 GT500 to where you look down and you’re doing 120 and it’s still shoving your balls in your asshole is a blast. Guess I can’t have both unless I’m spending 200k+.
>>28216503I love your Cobra, always wanted to drive an AC/Shelby Cobra. Great taste.Unfortunately our car and modding scene is nowhere on the same level as burgerland. A lot of it here is a touch tragic. It's a mixture of our mentality and costs of it. Quite of a lot of meets are some rather stock hatchbacks with bigger exhaust, a slight remap, a rice krispies tune, some horrible tasteless wheels and a halfords spoiler. So people who do a full engine build and/or doing serious modification are a rarity here but they will track those cars. Since we don't have the drag culture here and we have really draconian laws/consequences for speed especially at 100+.The closest i've gotten to the kind of firepower and raw speed you're refering to is getting to send a Mclaren 720s on a track which had a really decent long straight as well. It was mind boggling, but to be honest the tuning and mods you lads do will make it tame by comparison.On the F-type and handling, so you and I will probably have a different definition of handling/turning ability die to the nature of things we've driven. So take what I say with a grain of salt.The F-type despite people calling it a GT car, it is a sports car in both set up of suspension, gearing and general feel. I could pin it through the country lanes I know at speed and it will grip, handle as well as be playful with some tail happiness. But this is the problem with the F-type and why as a sports car kind of fails. It is too heavy. They weigh over 1700kg (3747 lbs) and you put 2 people in it and some luggage you are easily 1900kg (4188 lbs) or more. The car is brutish in its feel compared to a pure sports car like a Cayman or 911 for example. It can handle, turns really well and it's really fun but pulling those 1G+ in a corner it may not live to the expectation you are thinking it will have. The XKR is a GT and doesn't handle as well as the F-type from my experience but both are fantastic.
>>28216503Our roads all over have terrible surfacing and potholes. Tends to be why I find British cars have decent ride quality lol.Our country lanes are narrow and depending on what part of the country you're in people fly down them. And if you're wondering why people don't just ignore those big hedgerows, there are walls inside them. Pic related is a picture i've taken from google maps outside my parents house in the middle of fucking no where. That road is main link road that heads from the north in the area from a lot of towns and villages in the area that heads to Exeter (a city) not just a country lane. So our country lanes get much narrower, tighter turning and blinder. These are the roads I learned to drive down.
