Ford should instead make it shorter, give it a new styling, a new name, and turn it into an entry-level RWD Ecoboost sports car. Like a baby mustang.
It starts at $32k, how much more "entry level" do you want? The BRZ and gr86 start at $31k.
>>2822874012K for a V8, supercharged, car inclusive
>>28228740>How much more "entry level" do you want?
>>28228713>a new nameLike Capri? Oh wait, that one was taken by the new electric crossover.
>>28228740I think it's an amazing entry-level sports car especially compared to the MX-5 and BRZ. Terrible name though, plus: sports car bros still look down on the Mustang, and Mustang bros are still hung up on the awful entry-level engine their grandmother had.
>>28228713I've been thinking this since the Ecoboost came out. I imagine they've had the idea, but they probably think it would cut into sales. Make it a tad shorter, give it more "global" Ford styling and call it the Falcon. Market it right and you'd have a winner that IMO wouldn't dent Mustang sales that much if at all.>>28228740I think the big thing is that it still has Mustang stigma. Imagine if, say, Ford pulled a 'Z4 Supra' or 'MX-5 Fiata' and somehow partnered with Nissan and had a restyled, 2.3T-only "Silvia" that actually was a Mustang underneath. Priced competitively to the BR/86 while vastly outpacing it in performance, it would sell to an insane degree to people that would otherwise never touch a Mustang.
>>28228789It would be nice and even more competitive if it were lighter.
If only they made a lightweight rear biased Ecoboost sports car oh wait
>>28228836If only they made a RWD car with the same engine and a handling package
>>28228713>Like a baby mustang.Like a pony car? Have we come full circle?
>>28228836Yeah but it ain't a coupe
>>28228836Also, the Focus RS was a limited edition, which caused all dealers to price it the same as Bugatti and don't allow anyone to test drive it. It is also a very heavy car.What I am suggesting is a new mass produced model, something to fit below the Mustang V8, something light and simple. The reason why I'm proposing this is because the Ecoboost Mustang is lame as fuck and it is not worthy of the Mustang badge. People will mock you for buying an Ecoboost Mustang.
>>28228927What would a RWD coupe with the RS engine be like?
>>28228784Yes something like that. Unfortunately Ford ruined the Capri name by releasing that shitty electric crossover made of pure chinesium
>>28228945That's a mustang bro problem not an ecoboost problem. The market will take at least a few more years to figure it out.
>>28228946Something like the Pontiac Solstice Coupe.
>>28228952If only Ford had made an Ecoboost Mustang with the RS engine and a handling package. That would be something.
>>28228713they beefed up the engine in the new one and it's still cheap but then they ruined it by making it auto only with the shitty 10 speed and not even having paddle shifters
>>28228956Honestly I rented one on vacation and I was pretty impressed with the 10-speed. So much so I would consider one if I buy another Mustang, and I don't know how to drive an automatic.
>>28228956The 10r80 probably pairs better with the 5.0 but its still solid.
>>28228956They probably saw ecoboost manual take rates and couldn't justify keeping the option. The ecoboost is after all perceived as more of a lifestyle car than a real sports car
>>28228964My impression (from cryptic symbolism in my dreams, and driving my manual) is that Ford engineering more or less considers the manual obsolete and any deep integration between the ECM, transmission, active exhaust, and magnetic suspension is going to be better executed on the automatic models. For what that's worth.
i like 4 cyl cars because it means i can pick it up in 15 years for 1,200-2.500 and stuff a v8 into it and have a wild-ass car for like 5kstop complaining.
>>28228958>>28228964>>28228966manual would make it a competitor to the GR86 as a cheap sports car, but yeah take rates were low so I understand why they axed itthe lack of any control of the transmission in a modern performance car is just unforgivable though, considering they put paddles on subaru and toyota econoboxes nowthe ecoboost truly has been consigned to being a lifestyle car, despite being faster than it's ever been
>>28228977Imagine if Ford had made something like the Camaro Turbo 1LE
>>28228982They had the EcoBoost HPP with the Focus RS engine.
>>28228984it's the same engine the RS just had a spicier tune on it
>>28228984Just think if you get one with a manual
>>28228985>it's the same engine the RShttps://www.mustangecoboost.net/threads/high-performance.22648/>>28228987They came in manual, what are you talking about?
>>28229010Why didn't you all buy one?
>>28228958>>28228964>>28228966>>28228977I've done 10K+ miles in rental 2024 Ecoboosts and 6K+ miles in my own purchased 2024 Ecoboost now.It SUCKS as a performance car. - No paddle shifters, can't even see what gear you're in, zero tranny control: ridiculous. Tranny is herky-jerky until warmed up ;) - Horrible in the twisties. Totally numb steering, can't tell if you're understeering off the road vs gripping well. Steering randomly feels loose in the middle of driving/turns/lane changes, like the computer momentarily altered the steering assist or something (even with lane-keep features off).- Even ESC "fully off" and Track mode, the computers totally neuter the car. It cuts throttle/hits brakes even pulling out onto a main road. ESC is way more restrictive than S550 Mustangs (and the old fuse pull trick doesn't work).- Brake pedal is not linear nor consistent. If you hold a constant brake pedal position, the deceleration will vary randomly as you come to a stop. This is on a brand new car with no mechanical issues.- The screen with all the gauges/dash/fuel/etc. randomly dies. There is a recall but no fix.The 2024 Ecoboost is definitely NOT a driver's car. It's a poser car, but that's all that most ppl want. I only got this over a Camry because it was cheaper and goes faster.
>>28229097>this car SUCKS>so I bought oneyou could've bought a stripper 230i for a little bit more moneyit's slow but at least it has paddles and will let you turn TC offbetter gas mileage too
>>28229097>Brake pedal is not linear nor consistent. If you hold a constant brake pedal position, the deceleration will vary randomly as you come to a stop. This is on a brand new car with no mechanical issues.yes because the transmission is engine braking as it shifts down. the 10r80 is related to the ZF8 which also does this, it's a feature and saves brakes. chill out. if you had a chally instead of that dearborn cuck cage you could just slap it in manual mode and it won't do that.
>>28228713They should've gone with a modern fox body and re released it as a Mustang SVO.
so back to 90s and i4 120hp fwd coupes?
>>28228713>give it a new styling, a new name, and turn it into an entry-level RWD Ecoboost sports cari saw some anon on /o/ suggest they should resurrect the probe. hope nobody at ford actually remembers it exists because i dont want anyone to associate the probe name with gay nucars.
>>28229503i didnt even scroll down to bottom before posting. fuck no please let it be forgotten. its better that way for the probe.
>>28229542You really believe that was the lowest point for the Mustang? At least you don't see them in brown with a ton of chrome anymore.
>>28229551no i actually like the probe and dont want it to have anything to do with gay nustangs.
ford badly needs a NEW 6 cylinder engine design for mustang as well as f-150 the current v6 a shit although interesting you can't get it with the smaller v6 2.7 I think they have in the bronco and maybe still the f-150
>>28229503The probe gt was one of the best fwd cars I’ve driven
>>28229097That’s too bad. I liked the one I rented but that was over a year ago - probably an s550.
>>28229556Ford has had their head up their ass for the last five years. Since at least 2023 Ford had access to the Skyactiv-G platform which included the straight six 3.3 after trading designs of the Duratec with Mazda. If they were nice enough they could dump the POS 2.7 with it's valve problem and shitty oil pump belt design for a Mazda engine to go in the Bronco and other designs.Hell, the 2.3 they use already is a very close derivative of the Mazda 2.3L they pilfered from Mazda when they still had control twenty odd years ago. https://www.autozonic.com/what-happened-between-mazda-ford/
>>28229565Yeah I guess the mazda v6 would be fine. What about a diesel hybrid mustand with the mazda diesel v6 and a 2 kw hr battery?I miss diesels.>Hell, the 2.3 they use already is a very close derivative of the Mazda 2.3L I didn't know that but that makes sensethe in-house design is the crappy 2.5l they have in the escape and maverick they could do so much better with the escape and platform-frensthey gave up when henry ford died imho its just been slowly coasting downhill since the 1960s
>>28229568Have another look frien. I6.
>>28229568They put the 2.3L in the Lincoln Corsair for a while.
>>28228945I'm surprised Ford never used the Miata as a basis for a small sports-car of their own back when they owned Mazda.
>>28228713Even if it was just a one cylinder 2 stroke it would be better than EV shit.
>>28229934Because Ford is retarded.>Made a car with a fuel tank that would detonate on impact>Made an SUV with explosive tires>Created the disgraceful and disposable wet-belt engines>Made the worst automatic transmission ever, so bad that it resulted into a lawsuitFord has a long history of retarded decisions
>>28229824Is that the rebadged ford escape? Also the mustang platform is 20 years old at this point. IMHO, whichever manufacturer releases a new platform for a vaguely affordable 6 cylinder sports scar will win, it's not some unreachable goal. Old people love them.
>>28230012What could have beenhttps://geauxmoto.com/pages/ecoyata
>>28230029Yeah, it shares a platform with the Escape and the Bronco Sport. >the mustang platform is 20 years old at this pointI'm not sure what you mean by that. The Mustang has been through three platform generations in the last twenty years.
>>28230029Current Mustang platform is basically a facelifted S550 which is only a decade old. It was the first one to finally have IRS stock which is why it's generally been reviewed as a good handling car even in base trim unlike most older models (yeah, inb4 modded older one/SVO/etc).It's a solid platform but IMO it still comes down to it largely only appealing to fans of American muscle cars, even though on paper weeblets would love the idea of an affordable, RWD manual coupe with a 315hp turbocharged 4cyl.
>>28230078> an affordable, RWD manual coupe with a 315hp turbocharged 4cylIt will take ten years of broke young people buying used Ecoboost mustangs from hairdressers before enthusiasts figure it out.
>>28228713The problem with big companies is they know normies aren't actually objective about cars. The kind of person who is buying an ecoboost Mustang either wants to have muh moostang, or is so pragmatic they'll buy a four banger turbocharged Mustang because it's a good car for the money, and nothing else. I agree, give it a stick and no sound deadening and call it a Falcon or a Probe or something, I've been aching for it since I was a teenager. The underlying issue is that enthusiasts would onions, but no one else probably would. We're at a point with fun cars to where I think that could be proven wrong, though. If it's actually light (like 3400lbs to 3500lbs or something, modern car remember) and actually loud and actually fun then hey, they'd have a winner.
>>28229503no, return to tbird turbo coupe, mustang SVO, or xr4ti :)tbird > mustang
>>28229140230i is just as soulless. Drove a rental and there was absolutely nothing sporty about it except the chassis/suspension were good.
>>28234015>there was absolutely nothing sporty about it>except the chassis/suspension were goodchassis/suspension are kind of important part lolif you just want it to be louder, cut the mufflers off and put an open filter intake on it like every kid does
The 2.3L Ecoboost engine in a chassis like the BRZ or Miata, 800-1000lbs lighter curb weight would be so ridiculously better than a base GT that Ford would never do it.
>>28228713Ecoboost Mustangs are fine. It's a cheap 310hp (330 with a factory 93 octane tune) 4cyl turbo tuner car with a LSD and you retards still find a way to complain. It's cheaper than the base model Poopra and Nu-Z. Has a massive aftermarket because it's a Mustang. They are cheap on the secondhand market because everyone wants the GT, but in stock config the Ecoboost makes more horsepower than the old 3v 4.6L mod motor in the S197 GT and handles way better. The only problem with the S650's is they got rid of the manual option, but the S550 is better anyways. Also OP is a massive faggot.
>>28228713Are they still using a muntzed version of a 2003 Mazda 2.3 DISI 4 cyl engine
>>28234722Basically, it's a fantastic car if you can take the stick from the "muh v8" crowd. Which includes people who have never owned a performance car, people who have never driven a performance car, people who never will, etc...
>>28228713Honestly, it is long past time to retire the Mustang name.Should have been retired in 1989.
>>28235364Kek. or 1975. Not that I don't like mine. Ford could call it anything they want.
I've long thought that if Ford were to pull 200lbs out of the Ecostang, give it a few new body panels, and sell it as the Escort, it'd be a lot more appealing to tuners as its own sportscar. The unfortunate truth is that more posers buy the Ecostang as a wannabe GT than enthusiasts would as its own lighter-weight, highly tunable BRZ alternative.
>>28228713I always said the turbo four should have just been Probe 2.0
>>28234524One of my buddies talked about a guy in his auto class that ecoboost swapped a fox body stang, basically made an SVT with a better engine but his bitch of an ex sugared the tank before he got it running right
>>28229097>buys new>doesn't spec how he wants it>comes to a mongolian basket weaving forum to complain about itLol, lmao even. Should've ponied up for the performance package if you wanted some gay paddle shifters.
>>28235432there's no performance pack on the ecoboost anymore
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>>28228713They should make a Miata competitor if they want to make 4 cylinders.
>>28228713Or you could buy a real car like a BMW M3 or Audi RS3
>>28235432>>28235435>>28235451There were barely any cars with it in 2024 (I only found 2 in the entire capithole of Cuntifornia, for example) and they removed it in 2025. For the price (and BS markups due to 'rare' option), you could just get a GT anyway
>>28235560They don't get a big premium on the used market. if you can find one. See also the Camaro Turbo 1LE, which I think sold in even smaller numbers.
>>28235409>posers buy the EcostangSummerfags need to go drive more cars instead of posting gay benchracer opinions. The S550 Ecoboost Mustang with the manual transmission, high performance package, and handling package is easily one of the best modern FR turbo 4's to drive and track. Same goes for the 1LE turbo 4 Camaro. Having built and boosted many 90's JDM cars I feel spoiled by what options are on the market now compared to the unreliable piles of shit people used to have to mod to have a fun time.
