Welcome to the Auto Vidya General, the thread for discussion of racing and driving games. Not chinkshit peripherals. Raise hell, praise Dale, hail Thrustmaster, ok.Previous thread >>28597005>Wikihttps://get-good.net>MumbleIP: mumble.get-good.netPort: 64738Password: 4ch>Chathttps://chat.get-good.net>Equipment Guidehttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uLKMbKwweUZ3QvFeNs8UeycZbDyo0McxGj7T6uTaTNo> We're doing the Mille Miglia in AC starting Sept. 20! Check the doc for the latest info.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vlVjNh8r6o_KYUFHf7Hcp8ZaYS5lsEZwFvTeu_K_c1Q>We're decompiling the classic PC game Whiplash and rebuilding it for modern hardware! The game is currently playable (with a few bugs). Check out the GitHub:https://github.com/Zizin13/ROLLER
>>28607126
GT3
YES, she is a BIG and FAT bitchYES, she was only ever able to beat muffled and BoP'd to shit Ferrari GT3sYES, her sole role was to stay the fuck out of the way and be used as a rolling draft mule during the race.HOWEVER, if you add her to your game I will be forced to buy it.
>>28607145>falls apart for no reason
>>28607145>dies because you looked at it funnyCanadian cars are a blight
>>28607487>>28607490what’s with mutts wanting to brute force everything?all they can do is put a massive engine into a shitbox
alright yeah I think mw2012 can blow me, maybe I'll torture myself with it in the futureis rivals any better or should I just fuck off to nfs 2015?
The mustang GT3 is the meta car in iRenting right now. I hate driving that thing because the visibility is so shit
>>28607699Because Ford ref-balled their way to victory once so why not do it again.
>>28607729Rivals is better than 2015 by a long shotHeavy focus on pursuit gameplay (as a cop or racer) and no microceleb BS2015 is also just a braindead easy game while Rivals can be an actual challengePlus the services for Rivals are getting shut down next month so there's a FOMO elementOnly downside of Rivals IMO is that it's locked to 30FPS; attempts to hack the game and unlock it made the game run faster. I suppose the lobby tickrate is tied to the FPS and Ghost didn't want to divorce the two for some reason (crossplay, maybe?).
>>28607745In LMU the car with the worst visibility is the AstonIt also has instability issues at low speed (probably due to its relatively short wheelbase)A shame because I love the car in ACCThe M4 has the best visibility of all the front-engine cars but I can't stand how it sounds or how huge it is
time to whip it while shit faced ahahahahh God forgive me
>>28607960cheers, I started rivals a bit after posting that and I'm already enjoying it more just because there's no fucky oversteernot a fan of the camera options and unchangeable controls however
Is AC's career worth playing to learn track racing? I've only ever played on Shutoku and NFS maps.
I just can’t stop driving 911s. Why do they corner so beautifully
not really enjoying rivals either desu which I kind of expected since I didn't finish hot pursuitI've concluded that I simply don't like the cops and racers pursuit stuff outside of street racingI just want to rice out shitboxes and endanger pedestrians
>>28608161No, it doesn't even feature any of the tracks or cars added by various DLCs, nor does it do anything that would help you learn the track
>>28608032How did it go?
>>28607485This meme car isn't in any game?
Shitboxes are SOVL, hypercars are boring (in vidya).
>>28608718real
>>28608718i don't get
>>28608718delet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SULc2PMwMQci cant wait for these maps
this shit is impossible
>>28609267get good
>>28609267>have car go in one direction>steer in the other>???>profit
all is simulationarcade is a state of mind
>>28609288>car snaps in the other direction in a blink of an eye
>>28609267status update I can hold a drift donut for at least one rotation now after beating my head against it for 3 hours
>>28609364just give up you’re not built for drifting
awfully cunty itt this morningvery feminine airs
sorry thats kita
>>28609415oopsy you got me anon
>>28609364Keep it up anon. Try learning drift in AC first, its way easier. Also, you're not using something like a G29, are you?
>>28609267>>28609364You obviously gonna be shit after a day of training anon. Keep at it for a month.
>>28609502shut up retard
>>28609566>a monthlol
>>28608718You can tell Kaz Yamauchi is old as shit because he insists on putting cars from 2002 into the new car dealership.
>>28609311LET'S GO A-WAY*shifts down directly from 4th to 1st gear*But holy hell, what car mod is that?
Surely that shitty LMU webm poster did the COTA 6 hour right?
>>28609959No because I was watching the qualy of the real thing
>>28609959Speaking of
>>28609744Cup90 from NR2003I'm making the physics not ass fucking retarded because whoever converted these spent way more time kissing Denis Rioux's ass and convoluting the download to please his retarded french-canadian ass than making them not suck to drive. to download these get this: https://www.overtake.gg/downloads/1990-nascar-winston-cup-series.40468/within the readme for this skinpack you get 5 mediafire links to download each car one at a time. they are so bad and converted so shoddily i thought this must be a joke. they don't even have the right materials, there are baked in car details in the skins that don't line up with the model, there are model details that themselves don't line up with where they're supposed to be, the suspension is physically bent in 4 different directions to try and mimic nascar's asymmetric setups, the thunderbird's body model is offset to the left an entire foot and the pontiac has no engine sound.every time an assetto corsa modder makes a live rear axle car double bones because he is too fucking stupid to figure the links out an angel falls from heaven. fuck me.The Daytona Universe carset is found here https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/daytona-universe-du-univ-a-daytona-usa-car-pack-and-a-brief-history-of-the-project.420268/
>>28610044Hi James, also neat
>>28610059im not that fat scooter crashing faggot fuck you
>>28610059That's not James thats Tunari
>>28609993>23 minutes into the race>still SC
>>28610080yeah go get a couple of beers or something
>red flag
Car X Street is on free weekend in steam. QRD on it compared to modded AC for drift? I'm downloading but it will take some time.
>muh driftingtake the fwd pill and flick that shitbox around
>>28610164this
>>28610164FWD deserve love too.
Enjoying both hatchbacks and RWD is suffering. We need more of these.
Qualifiers with my severely underpowered GT-S. Kek
>play an ea game I made the mistake of paying for>get reminded why piracy is better
>>28609664Every French car is built for having sex in aren't they.
>>28609556>>28609566Thanks fellas. In using a t300rs and I bumped up the ffb in the driver utility and the game and it's helping a lot. Gonna take the gear shift levers off, and I've got a 33cm wheel for it coming from China so I'm excited to quit smacking buttons as much when I'm beating on it.
>>28610292
>>28610164>take the fwd pill and flick that shitbox aroundI've been doing that, albeit against my own will. Once this March gets enough weight reduction and grip upgrades it becomes oversteer hell in corner entry until you lock the diff and make it behave
>>28610255I'm glad NFS is finally dead, what EA did to it and burnout is a crime against humanity.
>>28610298The secret sauce is to learn proper left foot breaking
>>28610535I drive left foot braking only
Speaking of learning. Which race/car class would you say is the best for learning and understanding the basics of racing?
>>28608032>>28608605Anon crashed and is kill
>>28610552fia grand touring group 3 at circuit de spa-francorchamps
FH6 hopefully for japan. How bad will they fuck it up?
>>28610552Kei cars in Kart tracks
>>28610577FM1-tier S15 still not remodeled, probably
trying out racing battle c1 grand prix, it's surprisingly goodis this the only game with an exclusively trance soundtrack? wipeout and wmmt also comes to mind but that's about it. best genki ost so far though, shame trance is so underutilized in racing gameshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlgP747wwl0
>>28610552Whatever seems cool to you, could be monster truck madness, just drive the cars man.
>>28610365Put one in GT already Kaz
>>28610577They'll get Japanese zoomers born and raised in California to do all the voice acting so it sounds as bad as possibleIt'll be the same formula as the last 3 games just in a vaguely Japanese themed mapThe map itself will be ultra wide roads because PGG refuse to slow down the racing speed where every corner needs to be cleared at 200mph minimum
Once again, I find myself playing beamng as my chilling after a drink game.I am tempted to play any scored challenge while sober, then after a few just to see how I good I can drink drive.
any maps like the isle of man in assetto corsa? it's pleasant on the eyes, offers a lower demand for technical driving, and is on the lengthier side.>>28608605>>28610560here's to hoping one day that a car becomes my coffin aha>>28610692about to slam shifts while shitfaced again too
>Steam makes big update>Still in windows 7>Can't play My Summer Car anymoreWat do?
>>28611186You enjoy the other Finnish invention that was also made by an autistic man: Linux.
>>28610601C1GP has some seriously good tunes. My personal favourite though; https://youtu.be/ASZrnM5HsrI
>>28609151is trail out actually any good
Could I ask for an explanation on drivetrains and how they impact cars in games usually?
>>28611327what game?>usuallyno you can't
>>28610601>>28611243I liked the OST but I bought the TXR3 songs the moment you could unlock them.
>>28611322its pretty fun filled with soul and i like the maps alot
The car of choice for gentlemen of true taste.And yes, its ebay turbo'd without anything to make it usable.
>>28611327Engine layout is important too. You can just Google this though because I don't feel like explaining it
>>28611459then you use the suspension geometry and the differential to numb or amplify the traits you want
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2irnxJKPmY8why does rally attract so many w*men? true racing fans drive GT3s
>>28611545there's less overtaking in rally
>>28611545That's because rally has the lower barrier to entry despite having the highest skill floor of any motorsport. GT3 is just the face of mediocrity, especially for larpers that don't even dare to larp about anything better while simracing.
>>28611557* highest skill ceiling
>time trial kid mad he can't keep a consistent pace
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KhQQSVNuIPwWhat the hell did you guys know the Hues got a nitro boost cheat code? Regular MAYTE sucks compared to this.
>>28611426What circuit is this?
>>28611684Hirochi Forgotten Raceway
>>28611684Very kino track
>>28607137heres your new opel corsa bro
>>28611743The only good VGT's are Mazda's RX-Vision GT3 and Honda Sports VGT.
>>28611758i liked the lexus one
>>28611743i like how you can see the design trends change as the VGT program goes on. what we deem "futuristic" is actually just whatever is contemporary for the next decade.
>>28611769That design is contemporary nowThe hacks at Opel have no plans for the future
Reminder that GT3 cars are meant for rich people who can’t drive, hence the nannie galore
>>28611775concept cars have always been contemporary design with features exaggerated, apart from the cars at the very beginning of an aesthetic shift. thats why concept cars still feel "ahead of their time" decades later, because they are still alien relative to what we actually got.
>>28611779What's for rich people who can? F1?What's for poors that can and can't respectively?
>>28607137jimmy bought a 360 modena
>>28611785Will he have to move back then?
>>28611785??? is retarded or something
>>28611596That is pretty ludo desuAside from the name, the BR version seems to have more in common with whiplash than fatal racing EU like the faster cars (merkur GT tops out at 203mph not 184mph) and the PROCESS cheat. I didn't notice any other differences thoughI wonder what happens if you try to start a network game with the different versions
Has motion blur in racing games peaked already? What racing game has the best motion blur implementation? I know its not racing, but I remember how the first Portal game blew my mind with its MB back in the day.
>>28611785he bought the wrong 2000s ferrari
true simGODs drive GT3s, and maybe a hypercar or LMP if you're feeling adventurousopen wheelers have too much grip and therefore are simcaderally is for people who only know how to hotlap in the dirt and mud like the peasants they are
>too much gript. busrider
>>28611974the only bus i know is the bus stop at daytona
>>28610171dirt 4 has it :)
>>28611545put my gf to drive rally as her introduction to racing. Rally is simply superior for having fun.>>28611557you, the car, the track, it's all you need.having an autist on the track crashing themselves or you is no bueno>>28611562lancia stratos my beloved
>>28611785Imagine wasting money on that shitbox instead of buying a 911
>>28610171Clio V6
>>28610552miat
>>28611785the only good thing about Ferraris is they’re usually very well maintained
>>28611785just watched the video. it’s going to be his burgerking machine. I’m disappoint. I thought he’s a massive JDM nerd?
Not bad for $9. Unfortunate that it has weird artifacting, aliasing, and dithering on certain objects and shadows, but I think that's a UE5 issue in general.
>>28611820I'd have to look at it again but I think how it works is the master node sends all the player positions to the slaves and the slaves only send what their control inputs are to the master so in theory it should work fine and just run like it's whatever version the master is running. Effects are all just whatever your local version is though.
I have a question. A guy on jewrube said he typically enables TC when driving midengine cars on track. Why is that? Isn’t the whole point of midengine cars muh kino balance?
>>28612262>some retard is minmaxing assist to make it easier on himbecause he is a retard.
>>28612267but why exclusively mid engine cars? he disables nannies when driving FR/RR
>>28612276then the logical answer is that midship is too zesty for him and he needs to engage safeties on on the safeties off car.While he doesn't need the training wheels on the more muted cars.
>>28612262Because he's a brainlet and can't adapt his driving style to a MRHe probably tries to accelerate harder to rotate more but that just gives you understeer
am I freak for the liking the boat races in TC2?
>>28612412Most of the powerboat stuff is kinda whatever imo but jetsprint is legit fun
>>28610552kartformula ford
>>28610552Unironically rally and drifting will teach you a lot about weight shifting and fundamentals. Like that anon said, just drive whatever interests you most.
>>28612412i just drive touring car endurance in that game. so easy to just zone out to.
>>28612435I don't think I've gotten jetsprints yet but I've been having fun with the powerboat racesit triggered memories of one of those jetski racing games I played way back as a kid>>28612555it really is lovely for chill driving, it's as close as I've gotten to a non-truck truck simulator type game
>>28612572>it triggered memories of one of those jetski racing games I played way back as a kidThen you're probably gonna love the jetsprint stuff, they've actually got some pretty tight and twisty courses
post GT3 webmsi summon the low bitrate LMU guy
>cut detected- lap will not countFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
>>28612596>5 minutes for an outlap and a hotlap in la Sarthe
>>28612589>>28612617>>28612623
>>28612572I don't like how boat racing games almost never take into stuff like wave form and trim when it comes to boat racing. in real life you have to constantly adjust the trim to get the properprop angle and cut through the waves, otherwise you get slowed down a ton. funny how GTA 4 and 5 had it but dedicated boat racers usually don't.
>>28612589I've been busy with other stuff
>>28611758>Mazda's RX-Vision GT3Not a VGT.
>>28612071Doesn't mean shit. Watch some of JayEmm's videos, they just fall apart and eat thousands over literally nothing.
Are racing wheels worth it over a controller in GT7?
>>28610679I can see it>WOW ANON, YOUR CAR IS VERY KAWAII, WHAT IS IT?>WELL HITOMI, IT IS *reads full wikipedia page for the autozam az1*>EHHH? THATS SO DAIJOBU. HOW ABOJT SE TAKE IT FOR A SPIN, ILL RACE YOU>YOU'RE ON!>*Race across the great japanese desert right outside of the wangan*
>>28612861>wanganvaguely c1-themed highway that partially runs along the coast that they call the wangan*
>>28612859do you like the act of driving? or do you just want to play vidya?
>>28612858I can’t wrap my head around him wanting to turn the ferrari into a ringtool.Seems like a massive waste of money
Any of you guys drive a BRZ/86 irl? How’s the legroom? good amount of room between steering wheel and center console for long legs or nah?
here's your new sim racing wheel bro
>>28613171speaking of heusinkveld, I just upgraded to the ultimates+. I wanted the silver one but my microcenter didn't have it. it feels a little bit better than the sprints, and the hydraulic dampeners feel nice, especially on the throttle. you can make it pretty heavy, which I find it easier to modulate it that way. only thing thats really fucking gay is the angle of the pedals, they're way too far forward and in the default configuration thats already as far back as they will go. I had to get creative with my pedal plate and now it's in an unsupported position, and it's missing two screws on both sides and I'm not about to drill any holes. I'll probably have to get a proper rig at some point if I run into issues later.
>>28612861>>28612867Don't forget having a permanently visible Fuji as the centerpiece
>>28610577I just wish that it's set in like Brazil, America or Germany just to see weebs seethe
check out these badboys! 6 weeks in transit, but they are finally here!going to buy bass shakers from amazon - im not going to save money, but its more fun to choose my own partslooking forward to have it installed and tested
what's the chinkiest aliexpress set-up I can have?wheels + pedals + shifter + handbrake minimum
>>28613351Pre-owned g29/t300
>>28613157When it comes down to it, what’s really involved in doing that?>tune up>track tires and brakes >Maybe a bucket seatHe did the smart thing and avoided the F1 transmission at least.
>>28613424Turning it into a dedicated track tool means you'll get black flagged for giving it the exhaust it deserves too.
>>28612858I was about to say you'd think there'd be an upspring of third party mechanics who make cheaper replacement parts and do the job for less, then I remembered the vast majority of Ferrari owners see it as a matter of pride to spend as much money as possible on maintenance.
>>28613492Ferrari is notoriously litigiousI wouldn't be surprised if all of them have been C&Ded into bankrupcy
>>28613492There are quite a few independent specialists who are cheaper and more reputable than dealers (who are out to hit sales targets) but Ferrari owners are rich and aren't looking to scrimp and save at some drunk boomers local All Makes Serviced village shop.
>>28613492Doesn't surprise me since a lot of Porsche owners are like that. >if I see a single person other than the dealership has touched this car, I'm demanding 50% off of the priceI don't even get it with Porsche since in the realm of supercars and supercar-lites they tend to be the most reliable and usable.
>>28613537Porsche during the aircooled era openly marketed themselves as a driver's car, the GT/sports car for people who actually care about cars rather than just status. one of the hallmarks of the 911 was that it was simple and easy to maintain. They filled the same niche as the Corvette.
>>28613351Could probably build a 10nm+ DD with a hoverboard motor for sub 200 with FFBeast firmware.There's usb shifters + handbrakes going for 30 bucks on alie. No clue about pedals.
>>28613537>mfw I keep overpaying for maintenance for my GTI so I can just ask VW for the historic and easily convince anyone the car has been taken care of
>ferrarihere’s your 812 superfast, bro
Kinda want to get into Teknoparrot but not in the mood to set up a new emulator right now. The japs are still keeping arcades alive and well, somehow...
The GT3fag would have a heart attack if he had this much fun with a car without baby assists.
>>28613649Somalian craftsmanship
For me? It's Pikes Peak.
>>28613672Its best appearance was in DR1.0 right? PD has the rights to it now but is doing absolutely nothing with it.
>>28613662why is the asphalt dry when its clearly driving like its on ice
>>28613680Yes and yes. I think it only ever appeared in any official manner in GT2 and DR1 which is wild.
>>28613662>not even a backsiewhat is this weak ass shit
>>28613685>t-that's too smoothThanks, that is what I train for ;)
>>28613690'scuse me m8 i think your suspension has collapsed
>>28613693>newfag wasn't around for /ovgstance/many such cases
>>28613690the fuck is a backsie? a reverse entry? that's not a reverse entry.
>>28613691it doesn't look impressive, it looks like mario kart with sweetfx
new GT3 kino has arrived in iRacingwhen was the last time iRacing got any rally content or drift slop? lmao
>>28613662>yfw I practice with this thing
>>28613153I like gaymin, but I don't like getting gapped by the top 5 and finishing 15 seconds back. I feel like I can't match their fine trail braking and steering on a controller. It could be a git gud issue and they just carry more speed through corners and I'm coping, but trail braking is not easy with triggers.
>>28613739you will be slower at first if you never used a wheel before, it's not going to make you instantly faster. trail braking is also kind of hard on a basic logitech setup, but doable. i remember when i first switched to wheel I couldn't even keep my car on track, it took me like a month to get used to it
>>28613739ABS in GT7 is OP. the game literally trail brakes for you. I assume that’s true for controller users too
>opt out of the AssEvo beta>driving finally feels kino againthey need to fix the retarded tire model downgrade or else I’m done with the game
>>28613764stefano is trying his best please understandthey weren't able to add weather or night racing in the original AC and came up with excuses like the engine isn't capable of multiple light sources, yet modders found a way without direct access to their source code. AC being successful honestly was just a fluke. ACC was popular for a bit but couldn't hold steam once LMU came out and iRacing improved their GT3 tire model.I have little faith in ass evo at this point
>>28613757ABS in my experience just makes you understeer off the racing line and develop bad habits.
>>28613776it depends on the sim, in GT7 its really broken and should be taken advantage of. while say in iracing, you pretty much never want to activate ABS
>>28613782Default or weak setting?
>>28613776>develop bad habits.only if you're a lazy fagthreshold braking is still faster even with ABS, you should treat it as something to catch your ass if you go overboard not something you rely on every single turn, even if it's just not to listen to your car falling apart when braking
>>28613696i didn't say it was niggeri said you didn't even do one, in an 86 where it's basically brainlessyour drifts are weak
>>28613787In GT7 definitely set it to weak
>>28613879>he says as he posts his little clip throwing a dodge around with the grace of a hippo in a china storeMaybe work on smoothing out your transitions first, kid.
smoove out deez nuts, transition kid
>>28613921>the pad assist kid giving anybody "transition" adviceL M A O
>>28613993???I play on a Moza R3, no assists. TCL AE86 Coupe on Happogahara. But if you think I'm so smooth it could only be ''pad assist'', I'll take that as a compliment kek
>>28613998you hit kind of low angles and the car clearly has waaaaaaay more power than a real 86.that's just normal driving for an ae86 or any lra car in ac tbqh, not to say it doesn't look fun or cool but it's not what i would consider impressive.i will grant you your consistency looks solid and you read the couple of complex corners well but i also wonder how much you practiced just to do that
https://streamable.com/zp3yy1 figured out the engine/skid sounds
>>28613998Do you like the R3? I'm hesitating between that one and the 5 but I'm not sure if it's worth the 150 euros differences.
>>28613998Yeah, that 86 has 374 bhp NA, so its not all that hard to control, and I learn new stages by breaking them down into smaller segments and using the replay feature (work smarter, not harder), then I try to complete the entire stage. That clip was the first segment, and even just that was tricky to compress into a fucking 4MB webm without turning into a blurry mess. Anyway, I'm just having fun :)
>>28614012Yeah, the R3 kit is pretty good, but honestly? Just go for the R5 or R9 already so you won't have to upgrade later. I'm already thinking about selling my R3 and getting the R9, especially for using a deep dish 13 inch or 14 inch wheel.
>>28612867All 16 lanes of the c1
>>28614011YOU ARE THE CHAMPIONAND A MADMAN BEHIND THE WHEELhttps://files.catbox.moe/x3aqpy.mp3
>>28607137
>>28614023Would people even buy a raw R3 base? I've seen the ES wheel being upgradeable for 100 on aliexpress to a 13 inch mod and the pedals with the brake kit you can add a load cell with the alien mod for 70.
any resources on recovering from oversteer in rwd?
>>28614282off throttle (no brake), steer into the slide
>>28614200Yeah, it might be a hard sell. I have the 12 inch round wheel mod from Moza, its pretty neat and a considerable upgrade from the 11 inch D-shaped wheel of hard plastic.
>>28614282Lightning fast countersteer
>>28614284>steer into the slide thank god my shit game only snap oversteers with zero time to react
>>28614470try playing a real sim rather than iRenting or AssCorsa
>>28614473AssCorsa oversteering is smooth as silk what are you on about
new bus stop at daytona fucking sucks and the AI is so slow through here even on "pro" difficultyon another note, MAIRA is awesome in iRenting, basically turns it into a simcade once you dial it in in because it makes it a lot more intuitive to maintain a slip angle
>>28610144It sucks
>>28614074Cool, saved
>>28613242Nah, something more "obscure", perhaps more rally and off-road oriented with a small city - a location that would cause a mega chimpout.
>>28613242I want Switzerland.
>>28614707Oh yeah, more of that horrible "off road" slop in some bullshit location, as long as it's not japan
>>28614730Watch people argue that it's not different enough to that of FH2. It is.
>>286147362 had no mountains and is in a very warm subtropical climate. it's like saying Colorado and Texas are similar. I'd hope a Swiss map would be very rugged and vertical with a lot of twisting mountain roads, with snow.
>>28614740>TIME TO HIT THE GROSSGLOCKNER BRO, SWITZERLAND IS FULL OF THESE TOTALLY GNARLY MOUNTAIN PASSES>is 6 lanes wide and has 5 switchbacks before turning into flat highway>AI jumps V12 swapped 6×6 Gwagen down the side of the hill and through a river>*fireworks go off*
>>28614758If it means we're also getting the swiss version of WANG GANG voiceover cringe I'm all for it
>d00d the twisties!!1
can we stop talking about arcade shovelware please
>>28614790/ovg/ should talk only about the best sim ever madehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDudKfszf_Q
>>28614799I think you meant STCC
>>28614740>2 was subtropical 2 was Mediterranean. I live in a subtropical climate and it’s easy to see why people like the less humid Mediterranean weather.
horizon finland
>>28615085:DDDDD
>>28614972Mediterranean is in the subtropics zone, like southern California and the western Australian coast
Gran Turismo Horizon>no music festival power of friendship diverse cast of politically correct clowns babling on the radio>japanese jazz fusion and GT SOVL>real penalty system for bad driving>PS6 exclusive and launch title
i will never play arcade trash lol
More for me (this is how it works)
>>28615132>real penalty system for bad drivingEnthusia 2
