Stock car edition>For Classics made from 1979 or older, with few exceptions.>Everybody has their own taste, but some tastes are wrong. If you aren't sure if your car is classic or not, it's not.>Your Honda Miata doesn't belong here.>US, Euro, Jap, or whatever.>Post your classic, your work on it, your hackery, and get advice.>Any and all discussion about classics welcome, but may not necessarily generate responses; don't get butthurt.>Period correct performance > cosmetics.>Metal > plastic.>Classic shitbox > modern shitbox.>JBweld and RTV can fix anything>If you see rust there is more.>Rust and bodywork are the most difficult thing to repair.>Electrical work is difficult until you stop reading forum posts and buy a multimeter.>Low oil pressure? Worn mains and rod bearings. Use lucas and 15W40 until you afford a rebuild.>Do NOT buy a classic and plan to pay someone to work on it. You need to be able to do 90% or more of the work or you will go broke.>You will spend twice your budget, unless you have years of experience. If the salty old hands agree, it's true.>No one cares about your MonkeyBoner>If you can't tune a carb you might literally be retarded>Nothing is as easy as it seemsPrevious thread: >>28664082
Is this structural rust I should be concerned with or just some fucked up paint in the trunk?There's nothing that looks even remotely like rust visible anywhere else on the car in other pics. Just this area in these shots of the trunk.
>>28698839Closeup of the fuel filler area.
>>28698839Thats cancer on the shock mount and needs to be addressed.>>28698870The crack is structural and needs to be repaired.
>>28698839>>28698870that's probably not even rust that's just the cruddy fucking sound deadener they put in fords at the time.considering there's no water marks on the paint and the drip rails aren't rotten there's no fucking way it's rusted.
>>28698961they all just look like ass, dont question it
what ballast resistor do you use with a 1.5 flamethrower coil?
>>28699067I think you can use the stock ballast resistor. I bypassed mine with the conversion to electronic ignition
>>28699130I think that section of my harness was deleted in the fire.I killed one flamethrower coil within a month so I just asumed i dont have one.
>>28698839You're going to have to go look at it, crawl around, and do some investigating to really tell.
>>28699180rear shocks aren't really a normal rust place for these cars unless it sat with fucking leaves and rain in it for years
>>28698961>>28698980>>28699180>>28699202Is it just that tar shit they put over the welds? And the crack is just in the paint that got sprayed over it?I can't go inspect it in person.There are a whole bunch of pictures of the undercarriage from a previous listing and there is no visible rust at all anywhere else underneath the car or on the body. These were just the most concerning looking areas.
>>28699219that is probably what I would consider a rust-less car, the only other two places I would be concerned with is the shock towers and the hood hinge boots, the hood hinge boots probably rust the fastest from being parked in the rain.also the torque boxes being bent.they can be a little bit bent and be fine but like mangled is another thing.
>>28699219seam sealer is the goop in >>28698870 and >>28698980
>>28699227>>28699239Hood hinges look ok?I'm leaning away from this one anyway because it's overpriced and has "prior owner" fuckery.There's another one locally with the wrong engine and the wrong front seats, but is otherwise cleaner in every way. I should be able to pick it up for $2000-5000 less so that gets me a head start on doing a engine+transmission swap and looking for some bucket seats to get upholstered.
>>28699275>cleaner in every way. I should be able to pick it up for $2000-5000 less2-5k would go a long way on a warmed over 5.0/T5. and black friday is coming up
>>28699320I submitted a $3k offer to the seller and got a message that a higher offer had already been submitted, so I fomo'd and bought it for $4.5k.So that's at least $3k less than the other one would have run me, without shipping. I'm going to pick it up on Monday or Tuesday. Wish me luck.I'll probably be blogposting about it itt because I'm going to need some spoonfeeding. I'm no wrenchlet and I've done almost every sort of repair short of fully rebuilding an engine (at least not since I was 12 with my dad) but I've never actually made any significant modifications to a vehicle - just keeping them stock and fixing things. Stuff I know I'll need to do>Tires>Procure v8 + transmission>Procure all the parts needed to get the engine installed with all the other bullshit needed to make it functional - brackets and such for power steering pump, a/c compressor, etc. I want to keep everything maximally functional since I plan to "daily" it (I really only drive 2-3 days a week because wfh)>Cut a hole in the floor for the shifter>Probably put a stronger rear end it inIn the long run I'll probably get it repainted and re-upholstered but that's low on the list. Mechanicals first.
>>28699345Damn, dude, rock n' roll. I figured you would go back and forth for a while, but you jumped in. I'm cool with blogposting.>junkyard roller 5.0 with complete accessory drive>T5+ bellhousing and flywheel and clutch>pedal assembly useful books. I like having a factory service manual for everything I own. The diff book is just if you want to swap gears or rebuild the rear. The 8.8 can handle anything the 302/5.0 can throw at it. The T5 will break before that.>Ford Differentials: How To Rebuild The 8.8 And 9 Inch>factory service manual>ebay.com/itm/304189278361Dang, now I'm all excited.
>>28699345Oh, and ErictheCarGuy has a build series on his Fairmont. >108 videosJesushttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSzhQ6St-ov2nxWVKCeU14Vt7JJ_QSZvs
>>28699361>Dang, now I'm all excited.Only because there will be two Geeses now, Greased.
>>28699366>two greased geeseThat's not me. just an anon. I'm a MOPAR doofus.
>>28699361>>28699365>rock n' rollI got a solid bonus this quarter and I'm going to put it to work countering my wagie burnout.>junkyard roller 5.0 with complete accessory driveAny particular models I should be looking to poach from or does it even matter? If I'm going the junkyard engine route, I figure I'll just get in the car exactly the way I want it from the get go. Time to look for a cheap engine stand.Will definitely be buying service manuals. They've always been a lifesaver for every car and motorcycle I've owned.>build seriesKick ass. Now I have something to watch to start putting down some notes.Any particular web vendors I should bookmark as go-tos when I start looking for other parts? Most of my projects to date have been bikes. I've used RockAuto for OEM replacements and I know Summit Racing is boomer wonderland. I'll start reading around for where Fox-body Mustang guys shop.
>>28699387Doesn't really matter. There's a couple years of foxbody mustang that came with forged internals if that matters, but any year roller is fine. If you're keeping EFI, I think the explorer intakes had better flow. Someone will correct me. If you're keeping the iron heads, GT40 and GT40P heads flow the best. You can look up how to identify those and if you want the P ones. I think the spark plug angle makes changing spark plugs suck on some cars with the Ps. I like Summit, Jegs, and Speedway motors. CJ Pony parts does mustang stuff. Speedmaster makes cheap aluminum heads, and smallblock MOPAR guys say they're good to go. You'll have to check the forums to see if their smallblock Ford castings are as well. There are tons of recipes for the small block Ford that you can find around. Also, BigTime on youtube just started building a foxbody. It's worth watching, but it doesn't get too technical.>that picLooks super clean. Hopefully it's not hiding anything.
>>28699401Thanks, very useful as a research starting point on some things.>Hopefully it's not hiding anything.Yeah. It supposedly has ~24k original miles and the VIN report appears to validate that but who knows. The interior makes it believable.
>>28699475good Lord, it's beautiful.
>>28699477I really like the 2dr sedan body the guy in that youtube series started with, but I suspect those are pretty hard to come by unmolested now. All 3-box design 4dr sedans have a charm of their own.I honestly didn't expect to pick up a car so quick but I'm looking forward to it. First step is to get it home and do the usual. I'll get it going as a grocery getter while I work on getting the details down. Plenty of reading and watching to do. Plan will be to stay really mild though - I'll have plenty of fun at 250hp let alone anything more.
is there some sort of stamped steel bendable bracket that can be used to hang a single din radio under the dash? all i can seem to find are actual enclosures
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>>28699219That car has been stripped and painted.This area I've highlighted is pitted from rust. This should be perfectly smooth.
>>28699401The explorer intake was the standard junkyard build to get better flow bitd but now theres 50 different intakes on the market to suit your needs. Its still a good option if it comes with the donor, I wouldnt seek one out afterwards though.87-93 Fox body mustang ECU (A9L for manual, A9P for automatic) is the prefered brain to run. If you slap a twEECer or Moates Quarterhorse piggy back programmable ECU on it then it doesnt matter as you can run any profile on a compatible unit.I wouldnt worry about forged internals- if you find a mustang in a junkyard its there for a reason. Youre more likely to get a good donor out of an F150 or explorer.
>>28699951guarantee thats not pitting you complete schizo
>>28699951Looks like undercoat guy
>>28699387>>28699275if you are going to muck with the car, why do you give a shit that its a virgin? you people come here with the same retarded ideas every time. if you are starting with a 200ci car, you will need '83 F100 3.8 motor mounts, or a 5.0 K member to accommodate the 5.0. explorer accessories will clear the radiator, the cam in the explorer motor sucks and you will want to change it, literally the truck cam is better. truck accessories will not clear the radiator. 81+ 200's use a almost-sbf bell pattern, the top two bolts will not fit, you can use it anyways. Earlier 200's use a 5/6 bolt pattern and you will need to swap the bellhousing. any car pan will work and you can get them on rockauto. mustang manifolds are already shorties and you can pick up half the exhaust on ebay, dont bother with the long tubes still available, they suck. there are chinese dual planes on ebay for ~$150 and a good HEI will cost you about the same. I got my setup for $200 after waiting a while for a deal. to be honest these cars are expensive as shit now and i would just pony up the cash for a volvo 240, you might even save money by going the sbc swap route on a volvo
>>28700095>there are chinese dual planes on ebayyou don't have to cheap out on everything, damn.
>>28700101sbc dual planes only bring about $40-50, name brands. im not paying $300 for a name brand intake just because its a ford
>>28700114if a 400 dollar intake makes you flinch you can't really afford to be doing this shit
>>28699975>>28700074I thought this was the discussion of classics- are you lost?You must be new here if youre not able to recognize rust pitting.
>>28700129certified dumb nigger
>>28700095>you people come here with the same retarded ideas every time.What? The guy just wants to gut the interior and have one cheap racing seat and a galvanized fence post cage, rattle can the car flat black while also murdering it out, put wrong offset and backspace wheels on it with stretched tires, a Turbo Coupe rear axle for some rear pokage, and use a 140hp regular 5 liter with an Ebeldrock carb and DUI distributor. Oh and can't forget the Flowmasters. Nothing wrong with that.
>>28700145It has brand new exhaust and recent paint.Its had restoration work done.You should learn more about classics and what age does to them before you post again.
>>28700117blow 400 on intakes and you wont be doing much of this shit
Just finished some headman longtubes for my '77. Had to chop and move some of the pipes around in the back 3 to fit the narrower highboy frame, and I cut the flange in half to make them easier to work with. Now my starter is harder to change, but they look cool and definitely breathe better than the original manifolds. With the mild cam, fresh block, 4 barrel, and the new exhaust, I'm looking at a whopping 190ish hp. Torque for days though.
>>28699586Best of luck. can't wait to hear and see more>>28699961based
>>28700169Looks like painted cinder block guy
>>28699401>I think the spark plug angle makes changing spark plugs suck on some cars with the Ps. Yeah, a while ago, I put junkyard GT40P heads from a Mountaineer on my foxbody with typical non GT40 shorty headers. The plugs were directly against most of the header pipes. Even with lots of heat jacketing, it commonly melted spark plug boots and I had to grind a socket with clearance just to get the plugs out. I hunted for GT40p specific headers for a while, but there was only one company making them and they died a while ago. You definitely should take the ehaust from the donor if you go this route and/or will probably have to make some headers. I ended up modifying my header angle to give the plugs extra clearance and had no issues after that. But there's so many decent aftermarket heads now with the correct spark plug angle that are better anyways. It's probably not worth the hassle unless you get the heads/intake for very cheap.
https://youtu.be/JQlCYdr-geU?si=Vnwd4T8bb5m41pe057:44 firebird made it into the duct tape drags video
>>28700169Is this pic before the application of a pound of bondo?
>>28700214I thought I saw your firebird in there but at a different time.
>>28700169I got 4 motherfuckin foxbodies and even the rustiest one ain't got uniform pitting all the way across the ass end like that pic.it's fuckin undercoating either dealer installed or factory.
>>28699951>>28700169I'm pretty sure the paint is original and that's just undercoat, but as I can't inspect the car in person I can't be 100% sure.>>28700095>why do you give a shit that its a virgin?I don't care that it's a virgin, I care that some guy that did a handful of tasteless half baked mods to what was a virgin car, then dumpsterd all the original parts, and then thinks that makes it worth fucking $9k. That's really the problem with the red one. I asked him to send me the VIN, he didn't respond. His photos on Facebook marketplace carefully avoided showing the torn vinyl on the drivers seat which is clearly visible in a prior listing I found for the same car - which makes me wonder what else he's hiding. I get a bad feeling from the seller and that's the main problem - there's just no telling what he's hiding if he'll hide such a small thing.I'm not planning to gut the thing and make some kind of hooligan deathtrap out of it. I'm trying to build a driver with 200-300 casual lazy hp and a nice wide range manual transmission for croozing. I want a good interior, and while upholstery + carpet + headliner are easy enough, door panels and dashboards and the like aren't so easy. It's nice to have a clean starting point.>just pony up the cash for a volvo 240You mentioned that in the last thread, and said you'd had three of these cars and sold them. You never said why you sold them, or explained why a 240 would be a good choice. I don't know much about them - I've never owned a Volvo, and the only euro cars I have any experience with are an R107 and an E39. I loved both those cars but desu they were a bit of a pain in the ass to work on. I'm concerned a Volvo being similar, and harder to find parts for, but maybe I'm off base here.
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>>28700306>you mentioned that in the last threadi forgot i replied to you, 4chan has been claiming all of my isps as tor exit nodes. ive written many things and immediately forgotten about them because it wasnt convenient to post i bought the nicest of the cars for $3500, and it had been in a storage unit since 2001, it was truly mint and original. it was parked because the head gasket (and rest of the engine) was done. i took too long (2 years) scheming what engine to put into it and in that time the body of the car was rapidly rusting out, never exposed to salt, just humidity. I put in a built motor and a 5 speed from another car, the same year, which had spent all its life in indiana, and only had typical strut tower rust. No one i could find was competent enough to mill the intake for a 2bbl so I swapped the engine from a third car, a '82 that had spent its entire life in WV, again, i paid like $200 for this running driving car. It only had rust in the trunk, which was near non existent. I put the built motor in that car and got it running well on the stock carburetor, which was a waste of time for a 200ci. The nice car always had a problem with the brakes locking up in stop and go traffic, and i discovered the SAE style master cylinder is unobtainable in working condition. Faced with redoing all of the brake lines on a rusted out car, and having 2 other rusted out cars that were also genuinely worth nothing, i parted them out and scrapped them. I know the volvo has lots of aftermarket for the SBC swap and that is what inspired me to buy a fairmont, at the time they were way cheaper than the volvos, now that is not the case. The volvo is also made out of galvanized steel and lacks the major quality issues that domestics have.
>>28700319What does that mean
Going to walmart soon. Which one should I get for my shitbox?
>>28700394I usually opt to buy Mobil 1 when they have what I need available. It's also full synthetic. Between 20W-50 and 15W-50, the heavier weight might be nice if you have a weepy leaky piece of shit.
>>28700394rotella T4 10w30
>>28700394I was leaning towards the thicker valvoline because the mobil is said to thin out quite a bit from use. But on the other hand nobody uses that valvoline so nobody has anything to say about it. >>28700407>meme answerKill yourself
>>28700394Do they got zr1?
>>28700434VR1 20w50? I think so. Would that be a better option than either of those?
>>28700380The question mark and everything after is a tracker
>>28700324Well, I'm picking up the 200ci Zephyr in a couple of days and we'll see how it goes. I'm not going to start any half baked mods right away in any case. First step will be to get it rock solid as-is.If I don't love driving it stock, more power won't magically make it a different car. I'm not going to put a bunch of money and work into brakes and suspension and eventually drivetrain if it doesn't click for me. I'll go through it end to end and put some miles on it, see how I feel, and decide where to go from there.If it hits me in the feels, the time and money to get it where I eventually want it will be fun and well spent. If not, I'll just sell it and start looking hard at some 240s and maybe W123s.
>>28700746most 6 cyl cars have no fan shroud and no fan clutch, this setup robs a lot of power from the anemic engine, adding a cowl + clutch fan was the best single modification i did. you can pound the catalyst out of the downpipe but its a pain and at 5" diameter it doesnt make much of a difference. there is a second gasket under the carburetor base that has leaked on every car. The rear will almost always be a 2.73, which will hold up to a 302 fine but will feel sluggish. the holley carb that it comes with is the best option, i tried multiple others and always lost drivability with them. stock distributor is a pain to fk with, dont bother with a cheap HEI, get a DUI HEI distributor if you want to recurve. When i got the first car i tuned it for E85 which was locally available, distilled pure alcohol and ran the car off that for a bit. It was fun. There is a page called myzephyrs or something that advertises some door seals. The seals dont actually fucking fit, but the dimensions are correct. If you can find someone competent enough to make those parts, it will probably help avoid interior rust.
>>28700444Huh, so if i post a link i shouldn't post anything after the question mark?
I found cancer hiding behind my door sealits fucking joever(buying a new door tomorrow for $80)
>>28699883that's exactly what i'm looking for, but i'm having a brain fart and cannot for the life of me remember what it's called...
>>28700401>It's also full syntheticiirc the walmart mobil 1 is actually semi syn after they lost a court battle against castrol over what could be classified as semi or full synthetic
>>28700882yes so your link will be:https://youtu.be/JQlCYdr-geU
>>28699345I'd kill for a grille like that, though I can't say mine is all that bad,
>>28700882>>28701026correct
https://youtu.be/8StLCNAJpio?
what happened to that corvolt fellahdid he an hero after realizing he would never follow through?
>>28701249Damn, I forgot about that guy.
>>28700967ok so in burgerland it's apparently plumber's tape/strap, and in shitposterland it's called hoop iron instead.
>>28701249Killed in a shootout with the US Marshalls
>>28700882Yes.I uually delete the crap then copy paste whats left in another windows to make sure it works so I dont look like a dumbass when I post it.>t. Dumbass
>>28701250What wheels are those?
>>28701762iirc, they're some discontinued alloy wheels from American Racing. I'll have to check.
>>28701762"Long-discontinued Welds, IIRC, from ~1990."
maybe these
>>28702094>>28702070>>28702039Thanks>long since discontinuedshid
>>28700394Stop using absurdly thick ass oil like that if your car doesn't need it.
>>28702106>if your car doesn't need it.Guess what faggot, I know more about my car than you do.
>>28702111I would sure hope so. Did I fucking stutter, brainlet? IF your car doesn't need it.
>>28702101no problem>>28700394>shitboxI use the cheapest stuff for shitbox duty
>>28702116You stuttered a whole useless post. Next time don't.
>>28702136Next time, buy a ¨car¨ that doesn't leak oil so bad that you need to use tar as engine oil.
Well I picked it up today.Clean, non salvage title.Incredibly filthy exterior, but that's the desert for you.Interior is a little grimy but I can tell it'll clean up nice. It's in good shape.Absolutely reeked of old gas, had about 1/4 tank in it. I decided to power through it and filled it up with fresh fuel.Someone obviously started working on it last year, as there's evidence of a 2024 oil change. Transmission fluid looked good too.No obvious leaks, but it was burning something off the exhaust. Probably just from sitting but there might be a seep somewhere.Had some grinding from the front driver side wheel at one point on drive. Started, then went away. Getting it up for a look at the brakes and such is a priority.Everything seems to work though, including the A/C though it needs a charge.Runs ok, some stumbling, stalled once when putting it in reverse, etc. Needs a tune up.Took it and sprayed it off but it'll need a more thorough wash soon. Too dark out now to get any decent pics but I'll take some tomorrow.Going to start just going through it bit by bit this week.
>>28702718Shit, I'd take a Lagonda and drive the piss out of it up the Cornish coast.
>>28702717NICE you already got it. That's awesome you were able to drive it home.
>>28702717looks like mice may have been under the hood, gnawing at the hood insulationincredibly lucky they didn't get into the interior
Do you think closed cell foam is necessary in addition to the sound deadening i put inBefore there was only the old rockwool fiberglass stuffMy pops says its overkill and pointless
>>28703532No such thing as "overkill" when it comes to sound deadening.
>>28703536Any recommendations or does it not matter I was thinking of getting one inch thick stuff, but I could probably fit two-inch
>>28703532Definitely no such thing as overkill. If I was where you're at with it all stripped already I'd be just maxing it out. I love a quiet interior, take advantage of the access now before you get a new headliner in.
