Does anybody know places like euphrates or Nile (anywhere in the world but preferably usa) where it's a lush river valley surrounded by desolate arid desert?Pic is Bill Williams River National Wildlife Refuge in western AZ
>>2760102You already posted this and got answers. Übagüfy.
>>2760102the snake river through idaho (twin falls area, like hagerman)BUT you have to promise to not be from CA or be brown before visiting.(you can't move there, they're full.)
>>2760134>BUT you have to promise to not be brown before visitingWhat the fuck Bruh
>>2760134Thanks. Is that east cascade semi arid zone more like the middle east? I like the Sonora but I'm a middleeastaboo sometimesI'm a Kansas whiteboi uwu>>2760127Nothing wrong with options anon.Fren what's to go to Washington so Idaho anon helped on that front too>>2760139What's wrong with a white zone
>>2760102Every single river (6+ major perennial rivers through the low deserts) in Arizona below 3,000 feet elevation. If you go up 1,500 feet in elevation you enter chaparral and pine-oak woodlands and temperate meadows along the same rivers and you have thousands of perennial springs and tributaries (ie Verde river system by itself has more than 1,000 perennial springs and tributaries of all sizes and it's only the 4th largest system in central AZ).
>>2760519And the higher up you go into many of the tributaries the less and less you are in a desert. Pic related is on the mountain in the background in the first pic. Same time of year, constant 60%+ humidity, never reaches 100F, and average 30-35 inches of annual precipitation (also has 4 species of trout). There's plenty of both worlds in AZ.
>>2760102uh, every major river in the american southwest?
>>2760134that area in idaho is cold semi-arid and is clearly not what op is looking for, actual desert
>>2760102BOISEOISE
Canyons are cool for this if you're happy little pockets and small garden amoungst dust and sand. Slick rock is cool as well for these pockets and gardens. Saw loads while hiking a Hayduke route.
>>2760139There's a website called reddit that you might prefer.
>>2760102Dinosaur national monument is one of my favorite places. The Green river and the Yampa river are pretty nice.
>>2760102Not quite what you are asking for, but the Tibesti mountains in Chad are valleys of streams surrounded by mountains that are themselves surrounded by the Sahara desert, comfy desu
>>2760522That's some lush forest, looks comfy.
>>2760522This scene is actually lush. Are you sure that's Arizona?
Some suggestions from the eastern southwest;pecos river in New Mexico and west TexasRio grande river in big bend national parkBlack river near Carlsbad Devils river in texasThat big oasis birding spot in New Mexico I forget what it’s called
>>2760102You're talking about an Oasis>pic not related
>>2761532Yes. And there are hundreds of canyons spread about central Arizona that look exactly like that, literally hundreds. Canyons have their own climate often, and AZ has extremely varied microbiomes in short distance. For example even near Sedona (not even where the best canyons are) the open land around it average only about 15-20 inches of annual rainfall, while sheltered canyons along the rim average 30-35 inches of annual precipitation. There are a few that average 35-45 inches of annual precipitation, the most lush season being peak monsoons (July-September), where some mountains can get 25 inches of rainfall in that 2-3 month period alone.
I went on a backpacking trip which crossed the Bill Williams (east of the refuge) last year. Really surprised me how lush it was. Took more than an hour just to fight through the brush on the banks and then had to wade through thigh deep flowing water with quicksand at the bottom, honestly felt a little sketchy doing that alone in such a remote place when I have like no river crossing experience (bc Arizona) but I survived and it's fucking beautiful out there. Big green cottonwoods, lots of wildlife, spooky abandoned ranches, and some of the most unique canyons I've found in the Sonoran Desert. I guess most rivers here were like that before colonization but I really wasn't expecting such an intact riparian zone on a dammed river in some of the driest country I'd ever seen. Can post pics later if people are interested.Anyway to answer your question OP, most perennial rivers in the Southwest US were like that before colonization. Once US industry got their hands on the region they built a lot of dams and pumped groundwater which changed the ecosystem dramatically (recommend Killing the Hidden Waters by Charles Bowden for more on this). Today a lot of them are dry or only run a few weeks each year. The most direct comparison to the Nile in terms of size, ecosystem, and regional importance is probably the Colorado river, especially the lower section along the CA/NV/AZ border.
>>2760522Can you buy land like that in Arizona?
>>2763318yeshttps://www.landsearch.com/properties/n-horseshoe-springs-rd-globe-az-85501/3504921https://www.landsearch.com/properties/w-paint-pony-dr-payson-az-85541/3708846https://www.landsearch.com/properties/safford-az-85546/3655632most of these creeks are small and seasonal but there's more than enough water for personal use if you can harvest/store it well. look for something that backs up to public land in the mountains since that's where most of the really good canyons will be.
>>2763253Here's a pic from the middle of the river crossing. Those reeds are way above my head and you can see how fucking enormous the cottonwoods are too. There was a whole family of Javelina drinking here before I scared them off.
>>2763501for contrast, this is the environment immediately on the other side of the river in the Rawhide mountains. Really stunningly dry/barren even by Sonoran desert standards, there's barely any saguaros and they're mostly restricted to the washes.
>>2763503One more cozy camp sunrise picture to round it out. Forgive the mess, I was pretty fried on my last day and just trying to get some coffee in before hiking the last few miles out.
>>2761882do you live in the northern az region?
>>2760102The area around Winnemucca NV looks almost exactly like OP's pic. It's kind of an odd oasis in the middle of nowhere Nevada.
>>2763530Central AZ, both latitude and longitude. What most people call northern AZ is technically still central AZ until you're around 35N (AZ is 31.3-37N, the middle longitude would be precisely around 34.2 N). The pic related was actually still south of 34N. In Arizona topography is more important than latitude. It throws a lot of people off, even people from this state who don't get out often.
>>2763674>middle *latitude* would be precisely around 34.2 NBasically a highly detailed topographic map of the states gives you an idea. Further west in the state generally = drier and hotter. Further north or south does not generally equal colder or snowier or wetter (Painted desert in the north is drier than Phoenix, Phantom Ranch in the bottom of GC in northern AZ is hotter than Vegas generally or at least as hot, Mt Graham and Mt Lemmon average more than 100 inches of snowfall above 9k ft in winter, the entire Rim is the wettest region in the state along with the WM in the east and some sky islands, the most forested and wettest overall counties are Gila and Greenlee in central-east AZ). Following topography is most important in understanding the climate and geography of this state.
>>2763253I’ll have to check that out sometime. I did a day trip scouting upstream of Alamo lake and loved it. Mostly I stick to the Hasayampa canyon and Gila. Verde is where I take the family.
>>2763675how difficult is it to provide for yourself and or family in the region? it seems like the economy is rather small
>>2763881It depends on what industry you’re in. Some are booming and obviously lots are heavily undercut by Mexicans. There’s a big tech industry, but pajeets are coming in droves to the Phoenix area.
>>2763572It definitely does not. It looks like a dry desert with stagnant alkali water drying up in low spots. I was just there today.
>>2760663God look at those mcmansions amidst the sprawl, hell on earth.
>>2763881Probably 90% blue collar or low paying service sector jobs in any town or rural area with a population below 30k (which is pretty much the entire region outside of Prescott and Flagstaff). The other 10% is usually local government or state jobs. If you have remote work or if you don't have massive loans and mortgages, you can do fine with those if that's what you're willing to put up with. Rural AZ is either extremely rural (as in some of the most rural in the US) or confined to micropolises of 1k-30k people spread about a large area with a small core city. Arizona has an area larger than Florida (65,000 sq miles) with a population of less than 800,000 people, a good part of that is shithole reservations however (about ~25,000 sq mi). The AZ transition zone is about ~88-90% non-hispanic white with a population of about 500k over 30k sq miles (including Mohave and Yavapai to Greenlee counties and parts of southern forested Apache/Navajo/Coconino counties so places like Show Low get added). If you didn't own land or a house here until a few years ago, prices have since gone up 3-4 times since 2019, legitimately 3-4 times.
>>2760102gila or pecos in NM, kindago in the early spring, densest amount of river crossings ive ever encountered
>>2760522This reminds me of some backwoods in the upper Midwest
>>2760152It's more like central asia.
>>2766785are the reservations as bad as people say they are lol
>>2773556the Navajo at least, not really. A lot of it is reallt just a different way of life that seems scary to suburbia americans. Like people see dogs alone roaming along the roads on the res and think "what poverty and suffering that animals are abandoned in the desert heat to fend for themselves" when really those are all owned dogs that are let to roam free like dogs want to do and the dogs know how to safely operate in the desert better than most people anyway.
>>2760102The Rio Grande between ABQ and Cruces in NM is basically this. Primo fuckin chile growing
the bosque in NMportions of the gila and pecos in NM also
>>2773556Yes. Some of them worse than people say.
