Just got myself a decent looking Hammock and figured I'd share the love as it's still on a flash sale:Limited-time deal: Kootek Camping Hammock, Camping Essentials, Lightweight Portable Double & Single Hammock with Tree Straps, Camping Gear for Outside Hiking Camping Beach Backpack Travel https://a.co/d/8zmmx1kIt doesn't have a bugnet but from the research I've done, for the size and make, it looks like a really solid entry hammock.The weather is getting nice and the home life is far too stressful. Going to go out hammock camping next week so any advice would be much appreciated.
>>2763872Right out the gate, because that doesn't have a bug net is there anything I can do about the bugs getting all over me as I sleep or will I have to sew one on there?
>>2763872Also, now that I'm thinking about it. Will those black and dark grey colors stick out all that much from the dark green? I've got a couple places I might try and camp at that doesn't necessarily allow it, but I figure once I get a dark green tarp to go over it the black won't matter too much.
>>2763875>sew oneThere are simpler options. A Fronkey bottom entry net is really easy to make. Or you can buy a zipper entry net that slips over the hammock, or make one. They’re heavier than a sewn on net, but easier to make.
>>2763913Preciate the advice. Found a video on making your own and watching it now. Found a nice place to chill in the woods today but got absolutely eaten up so I'll definitely need to have this before I spend the night out there.
both are hennesy hammocks, with chinese underquilts. this is from my recent trip to norway.highly reccomend an underquilt, if you plan to sleep on colder nights
>>2764316That's a comfy looking setup.
>>2764416It's a very nice setup, I've never slept well outdoor but this works so good, I fall asleep super quick and lay so comfy all night.
My old set up in storm mode. That net goes around the entire hammock and underquilt; it’s not sewn on. It’s great for warm nights.>>2764316
>>2764473how does the net work, just hang it like a quilt? also ive always had my snake skins on the hammock, whats the reason to have it on the tarp?
>>2764570Here’s an example. It hangs from the structural ridgeline of your hammock. You can also tie it off to your hammock suspension or use a separate line to support the net, but using your existing ridge line is probably the best option. Snake skins on a tarp allow it to be set up a little easier, the same reason you’d use them on a hammock. It can be stored on the more evenly in a pack instead of lumped up in a big ball. The tarp remains in the skin above the hammock in the evening when your lounging and is deployed when you go to sleep. Snake skins also keep suspension lines from tangling, especially if you use a continuous ridge line.
>>2764618ooh i see, i might try swapping the skin to the tarp, ive always just opened the tarp up on one side when loungingif i like it i might get an extra set of skin for the tarp
https://a.co/d/bvdgUvpAnother chink made hammock with decent reviews just went on sale. This ones got a net that looks pants on head, but it'll save you from having to buy another.
>>2764804Less than 10’ long.
>>2764815Just by 2 inches which I figure is why it would be worth including. For 11 bucks I figure it'll be worth trying. I'm 5'9 so we'll see how it goes
>>2764815>>2764818Also, apparently width is pretty important but for whatever reason, most of the 11" to 12" cut the width considerably. I have yet to find a well priced hammock that has both width and length.
>>2764820Width is way, WAY less important than length. The reason you see so many hammocks just under 60” is because most nylon fabric is ~60” wide. A lot of wide hammocks are just under 74” because wider bolts of nylon are 74”. I’ve made several of each, in varying lengths. It’s not that width doesn’t matter. It just doesn’t matter as much.
>>2764860Aaah, gotcha. Yeah, I went looking around after you brought that up and most people my height said they had trouble sleeping in anything under 10.5 ft. I canceled that order but found somebody on ebay selling a new core equipment hammock that's 11 x 6.5 for 39 bucks (they graciously knocked off 10 bucks on top of the already good price too). I saw for my height 11 seems to be the sweet spot. Next is gonna be a cheap tarp to throw over it, then I still gotta ask my friend to make the bugnet. Still, at least I'll be able to take it out and lounge in the woods in the meantime.
>>2764872Looking around, I can barely find any reviews of this hammock. Apparently they make decent tents.
https://youtu.be/sL_DyC5CDno?si=IM3oKhB5NBpKgWW7.... how viable is this?
>>2763872>10’ longInto the trash it goes
imagine relying on a tent to camp>the ground is too rocky/bushy/wet/sloped/sharp!>I can't see the stars/hang out with my friends!>a pole broke so I guess my whole structure is compromised!>if the stakes don't hold my whole tent could blow away!>gee I hope my inflatable sleeping pad doesn't deflate overnight!couldn't be me
>>2764922imagine relying on a hammock to camp>oh no I forgot to pack my treesself standing tent chads keep winning
>>2764922do you pack you'r seperate ridgeline into the snake skins?
>>2764930where are you camping that doesn't have trees anon? >>2764940yes I have snake skins for the tarp + tarp ridgeline. I also have skins for the hammock itself but stopped using them recently since switching to a separate dyneema strap suspension instead of an integrated cord suspension. Becket hitch for life now
>>2764893Not very. The net needs to be suspended away from your skin.
Whelp, I:>had to tie and re-tie the straps to trees several times till I learned the distance I was looking for (whichever video I watched that said take 16 steps between trees was full of it)>I messed up the knots on the carbiners which caused several falls and scrapes>I had to learn to tie a cats paw knot while covered in sweatflys (which I still am)But I'll tell you what, this is insanely, insanely comfy.
Also, something I wasn't expecting. It's around 80 degrees outside, in the hammock it feels like it's low 70's or even 60's. I can't imagine how chilly it'd get at night or on a cold day.
>>2765026If you’re using trekking poles you can hold one in each hand, stand between two trees, and point each pole at a tree with your arms outstretched. It will give you a better idea of how much space there is compared to eyeballing. >tying knotsGet some cinch buckles.
>>2765029You need a insulating mat in your hammock
>>2765031From trial and error I've found 6 steps between trees seems to be right for my stride anyways. And I'll look into getting some. So far these cat paw knots are holding super strong... but man, after the first several falls I was so careful and paranoid about getting in. Seriously though, it was all worth it. It's crazy how comfy this is. It's making me excited for a full night sleep in one. It just feels wonderful on your back.>>2765033Definitely. I kinda phoo phoo'd the idea, but if I'm getting cool in 80 degree weather, there is no way around needinf an underquilt/insulating mat. Also also, seeing what >>2764860 meant about the width. Even lying diagonal it doesn't do as much as you'd think and at least in >>2763872 it just serves more as nice shade or to give you some momentary relief from the plethora of bugs.
>>2765031>relying on hardware at allenter the 21st century anon
>>2765093>not as easily adjustable>much harder to do in winter>no tangible benefit at allNo thanks
>>2765096>I can't take 2 seconds to adjust a slippery knot ok enjoy your metal point of failure at 300lb or if the hardware that's reliant on friction decides to simply stop working one day. my dyneema straps/amsteel loop suspension is rated to 1600lb, weighs 100g, and can physically never slip since the final knot gets toggled with a tag end
I don't think there is anything cozier than lying in a hammock and playing retro vidya by a campfire.
>>2765105>look at this one example from 6 years ago that happened to this one total stranger after he used several buckle systems over multiple yearsKind of a stretch, buddy. >300lbs is t strong enoughOk fat boyI tied knots on my hammocks from 2003 until maybe 2012. There’s no advantage.
>>2764618I think my next step is going to be this. My own fault for going to the park and setting up my hammock right after it rained but I was absolutely swarmed by bugs. Tomorrow I'll work on installing a Ridgeline on my cheaper hammock, then go to Walmart and see if I can't get a really fine mesh sheet that's big enough to just toss over the Ridgeline, then see what kind of adjustments I need to make from there to keep most of the bugs out. The Ridgeline should be a cinch to install (if anyone knows the material of rope I should get for it, I'd appreciate that) but I won't exactly know how I want to go about customizing the bugnet till I get it on there.
>>2765119>he doesn't know what breaking strength istry not to sit down in your hammock with too much force, anon
>>2765145>you’ll put too much force on your suspension and break a buckleYour hammock would tear first. Your mention of your 1,600lb suspension is totally moot, dumb dumb.
>>2765143For the ridgeline you want something rigid. Dynaglide and Zing-It are pretty common, but any thin, non-stretchy line will work.
>>2765143for ridgelines you want something with little to no stretch. dyneema/spectra in the 2mm range is ideal which you probably won't find locally except maybe at a marine or arborist supply shop. failing that you might find thin utility line made of polypropylene at a hardware store
>>2765154>>2765156Gotcha, appreciate the recommendations and tips on what to looks for in my line. I assume the installation will work like:>set up hammock with proper sag>knot Ridgeline from one end to the other>done and done
>>2765152a hammock's load is reasonably evenly distributed across its fabric, while a suspension has a single acute load area. 70d taffeta, a common fabric, has a breaking strength of 100-150lbs per inch. the only way you're possibly breaking the hammock fabric with 300lbs of force before your weak buckle breaks is if you jumped on it and landed on one heel
>>2765161>70d>for a fucking hammockCome on, man.
>>2765167even 20D has 1/3 the breaking strength of 70D meaning that sitting your fat 1 foot wide ass down it will withstand up to 600lbs. weight ratings of hammocks are about comfort and reducing stretch/sag, not breaking strength
>>2765145>he thinks hammock suspension hardware breaks at 300lbsThe load limit of a whoopie hook is 1,000lbs, so the breaking strength likely has a safety factor of 1.5xThe 300lbs you’re talking about is an estimate for when polyester webbing used with beetle buckles and cinch buckles slips, not when the buckle breaks, and it’s 350lbs for hybrid straps like the spider/poly webbing.You shouldn’t be exerting over 200lbs on your suspension unless you’re a big fat fatty>pic rel
>>2765169Bro, you’re googling fabric data sheets now to win an argument with a total stranger about a topic your brought up. Just stop. Hammocks aren’t made from 70D fabric.
>>2765191Hex70 is 70d, but only used for fatties, while 1.6oz fabrics are the standard.This, combined with his fear of hardware, all point to him being like 400lbs
>>2765194I'm 155lbs soaking wet but I prefer the tautness of a stiffer fabric. 70D is used plenty, in practically every Hennessy, for fatties yes but also for non lards who prefer the comfort that comes with eliminating middle sag. Enjoy your saggy ultralight parachute fabric and your hardware that slips if you sit down too fast, if it's raining, or if you twisted the strap ever so slightly. The Becket hitch just works, daisy chains with carabiners just work, Marlin spikes just work, hell a truckers hitch just works. But buckles that rely on friction to suspend your body weight is inherently retarded
>>2765256>70D is used plenty, in practically every HennessyOffering it as an option does not mean it’s used in “practically every Hennessy”It’s offered by nearly every hammock maker, but it’s not the standard or most used option.>eliminating middle sagI’m not sure what you mean by this, but if you mean it stretches less when laying in it, I suppose so, but the orientation of the ripstop grid has a lot more of an effect on that than denier.This is why 1,6 HyperD is so popular; the ripstop grid is woven in on the bias instead of the typical horizontal and vertical orientation.This gives it minimal diagonal stretch without having to go up in denier to accomplish that.>enjoy your blah blah..The only time I’ve fallen to ground in my hammock was when I was drunk and incorrectly tied a becket hitch to my UCR while I was drunk.Sure, user error, but it’s impossible to incorrectly tie something that uses no knots.I switched to beetle buckles a year ago just cuz I wanted to have a one piece system of just a strap and buckle vs a two piece system of tree strap + UCR.Since then I’ve used them in freezing rain and snow just fine.Both hardware and knots work as long as you use them right, but the greater ease of hardware is undeniable.
>>2765265>HyperDGood point on the grid orientation. Denier is an outdated metric, as there are way more aspects to fabric than just thread size. Even the weights vary considerably with the same size thread.>the greater ease of hardware is undeniable.Don’t worry, he’ll deny it.
Is there enough slack in my hammock here? I eventually moved it up but I still dunno if the curve in it is right and I'd like to get it as close to right as possible before installing the ridgeline
>>2765477Looks fine. If you want to get really technical, measure the length of your hammock body then multiply it by 0.83. To se that result to determine the length of your ridgeline and your hammock will be hung at 30°. It really is a good sweet spot.
>>2765490I'll do that then. I'd rather take the time and get it right than guesstimate. Also, I realized today with that particular hammock there's so much extra material on the width that I may attach something on there to hook it to the ridge line to create a nice, comfy enclosed space. Also, with that technique would I need to give the rope a couple more inches for when I make the knots on it?
>>2765493Here’s an excellent how-to video on making your own fixed length hammock ridge line. It’s simple and fun. Once you do this you’ll end up making other stuff from hollow rope like continuous loops and whoopie slings. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rs5kkzASq28If you’re not using a hollow core rope like AmSteel or Dynaglide, just mark the rope with a marker. When you tie your knots, the marks should be at the very outside of the loops.
>>2765494Perfect, thank you so much!
this is it anons. ive made it.
>>2764945Not anon but high desert.
>>2765710You know you’re going hiking in a desert but bring a hammock anyway? I do t think that happens, Anon.
>>2764930>>2765710>>2765713Hammock camping without trees is a solved issue in multiple different ways
>>2763872Hammock camping = Bear Burrito
>>2766049False, with no documentation to back it up
>>2764922all you need is a bivy bag, a rain fly, a stick, and some cordageif there are no stick available, you can use your bag
>>2764872If you guys get a chance, check out:https://a.co/d/1kWdMTRI'm still new to this so it's hard to say if it's worth the asking price, but I got it for 30 bucks and vs the cheaper one I got >>2763872This one is insanely nice. The material feels better, it's lighter, the carrying case is super neat how it works, really my only gripes are that it doesn't come with a ridgeline and bugnet already attached (which is why I was asking earlier about how to make that stuff).
>>2766088Speaking of bivy>been wanting to get one for forever>a fairly expensive one gets slashed in price a significant amount>aussie outdoor gear maker>fairly new>only a few of their tents are reviewed but all 5 stars..... from 100 down to 40 bucks I'm taking gamble. There are a couple more on their official site, but I got the last one from backyard.com
>>2766111I was thinking more like pic, I've never used or hiked with a framed bivy before and honestly wouldn't want to, although I imagine it's a lot nicer in hot weather
>>2766114Most of the framed bivys looks pretty meh, this one though, particularly the swift pitch hub, looks real nice and convenient. The specs on it also aren't too bad. I figured it'd be real comfy in fall or winter. There's a guy I watch who had been wanting to sell his bivy tent for years but always just kept taking it down and coming back to it for the cozy factor.
>>2766121[spoiler]it does feel weird getting more into the /out/ hobby though. You find that a lot of the gear is made by hobbyists themselves and a lot of its a shot in the dark if you're going to get something actually good or not, though thankfully if you stay off Ali/temu most is. Still, most of the stuff people would swear by 2+ years ago just isnt around anymore ans thats just how it is. Everything is "limited" to some degree.[/spoiler]
>>2766124Which is to say, you don't wanna be a consoomer, but most camping gear that looks interesting feels like it barely lasts a year before the manufacturer either goes under or just stops making the particular gear you're interested in.
>>2765577this is pretty much exactly what i do with my bike, dont have a fancy bivvy thing, just a tarp (DD3X3), foam mat(thermarest sol)and sleeping bag (carinthia d4 or tropen depending on season)
>>2766246speaking of... Karrimor unfortunately stopped making their old school external frame rucks. I still luckily have an old totem senior I got secondhand and could also still probably even drop a nuke on it and that shit wouldnt get a scratch, but I REALLY want to get another backup one. Second hand is my only option now...>picrel
>>2766260Literally pulled this beauty of of my buildings trash, clean, borderline unused, train ticket to Germany from the late eighties still inside
>>2766260>>2766262Dang... those look awesome.
>>2766266Also snagged a just a pristine Bergans smaller rucksack
>>2766262>>2766266>>2766272>>2766260(me)I just found one secondhand and bought it for 35 euros wagFUCKINGmi
>>2766277i considered selling them, but, the hand sewn on flag, the train ticket. i just felt too much personality to them, call me a faggy faggy gay boy about it, but, just because i am pretty sure the previous owner is either dead of worse, at least i can show the backpacks some beautiful places
>>2766279Even if it werent for the personality I HIGHLY dont recommend selling these motherfuckers EVER.I had another external frame pack of a different type and even a medium sized alice pack and both had flaws that this one never had. Even looking through places like decathlon their rucks are just fucking dogshit. Why? See here:>Unnamed external frame packHip belt not securely attached to frame, ripped off after 1 ruck with like 60 lbs. It is weirdly sown on to a pin in the frame, not even box sown, just regular stitching. So it can't handle anything heavy.>ALICEactually very decent, however... The hip 'belt' is more like a weightlifting belt, it doesnt relief weight off of your shoulders whatsoever, a real shame for me. Some however, swear by it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ6xry6Wj7Y&t=115s&pp=ygUeYWxpY2UgcGFjayBoaXAgYmVsdCBncnVudHByb29mAlso, went for a 100 lbs ruck with it, and the clips in the frame it was attached too couldn't handle it, they both bended open and the hip belt just came undone mid fucking ruck. Not to mention that those 2 little fucking clips were sharp as fuck and were digging into my sides (with the weight of 100 lbs mind you), needless to say the walk home I was sucking.>Decathlon packsFrames are weak, if theyre even there...Hip belt is more just like a regular fucking belt than what it is meant for.The larger (I say larger relatively, most of them are small as fuck and the 'larger' ones are just normal sized packs) are expensive as fuck.>CHAD KARRIMOR TOTEM SENIOR>EXTERNAL FRAME ALUMINUM MINED FROM THE CAVES OF UTOPIA BY THE HANDS OF AN ARTISAN.>SEWING DONE BY THE GODMOTHER NANNY, WITH 23847234 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE>HIP BELT MADE OF THE FINEST COTTON CAN RELIEF THE WEIGHTS OF THE COSMOS ITSELF>BAG IS MASSIVE, HOLDS EVEN THE LARGEST OF BURDENS
>>2766283>ALICE>The hip 'belt' is more like a weightlifting belt, it doesnt relief weight off of your shoulders whatsoeverYou can replace the original shoulder straps and kidney pad with those off the much more modern MOLLE 2 rucksacks (which go for about 40$ complete to cannibalize off of) Either that or modding the padding yourself by taping or sewing foam onto the shoulders and hips is very popular, especially if you're gonna be rucking heavy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqOFIwZMjIsBoth medium and large ALICE are only really intended for rucking around 70lbs with the frame, about 50lbs without maximum- that's probably why you were so uncomfortable, although you can go past that with some modernizations. You probably need to reinforce some of the higher stress points as well, like the straps at the top of the pack that attach to the frame
£15 hammock, £9 straps, great times. Gearfags here are scary people who shouldn’t have money
>>2766325The diminishing returns on a hammock are reached pretty early, but a new hammock body from a cottage vendor is like $50, with your choice of fabric. That’s not exactly breaking the bank unless you’re really poor.
>>2766325The hard part is finding a 11 foot hammock for that price. If you're a certain height, 9 foot just won't cut it and 10 foot is still kinda uncomfortable. Some of us are punished with the tall tax.
Anyone tried the DD hammocks travel hammock/bivi?I like the idea of a system that can be deployed on the ground if there are no suitable trees. particularly useful here in scotland.is there some kind of consequence to having a waterproof floor on your hammock? are you going to get condensation when used as a hammock?
>>2764945Above treeline and some coastal places on the adriatic sea only have shrubs that can't be used to anchor a hammock. But I'm kind of trolling. I like hammocks especially in summer when you don't need to worry about underquilts etc. But another problem with hammock camping is keeping dry. Very rarely dos it rain straight down with no wind witch will blow water under the tarp. Also rain will soak the hammock lines and run down them right onto your feet/head. So a tent is almost always preferable.
>>2766497>whatabout trying to stay in a place that isn’t conducive to the gear you want to bring? Check mate!That’s just you being a retard. You should bring the right setup for the location. You should also try to avoid camping above treeline if it can be avoided.>they only protect against rain coming straight downSee: >>2764473 That’s a very typical setup, used dozens of times in driving rain. I would explain how it works, but you’ve used hammocks a lot so you already know but are confused by it for some reason.>rain runs down the suspension linesAmateur hour. Hardware works as a water break. If you’re tying knots instead, drip lines are added to each end. The really funny part is how matter of fact you are while being wrong. You’ve formed an opinion without bothering to learn the basics.
>>2766480It's not a bad concept but things that stick out right off the bat>they don't say what material is used for the hammock itself, I'd be worried about condensation buildup and comfort for that reason>all those features for something that's only 8 feet long (fine for a bivy, awful for a hammock), so you're gonna have to be pretty short to sleep in it comfortably>the height of the bivy looks very cramped to the point where I think it would be tough to fit anything at all but yourself in there, so a pad or sleep system might make it extra crampedTo me it looks like a jack of all trades, master of none deal. If you're 5'9 or taller I'd pass.
>>2766480You can do that with a regular hammock with an integrated bug net and some ground cloth.
>>2766497All you need above tree line is a pad because it never rains in the mountains according to /out/.
>come to the park after a long day of work to relax in hammock>perfect weather >using extra bit of length as a cover>fireflies gently lighting up>the sound of cicadas creating a white noise >trying real, real hard not to fall asleepI'm so comfy, bros. This is just so comfy.
>>2767317Whelp, after losing track of time I found myself in the pitch of night. Things I've learned:>the importance of a 360 bugnetI thought it was weird how I wasn't getting eaten up by masquitos when in reality, I was. Turns out if they aren't eating you from the top they most certainly eating your back through the hammock.>the importance of a lanternTurns out a phone light won't do jack squat and I had a heck of a time cleaning up even a simple hammock.Boy is my back itchy, but man is it gonna be wonderful to pull an all nighter in this thing once I've got it all ironed out. Already know what I'm going to be playing in it right before bed.
>>2767331I had something similar happen to me. I went for a day hike, relaxed in the hammock, then woke up 3 hours from my car with 1 hour of sunlight remaining. >lanternClassic, and great for camp. But for an emergency, hiking in the dark, and portability it, look into a head lamp. You’ll probably end up using it around the house too.
>>2767343I'll probably grab both then, and it's nice to see head lamps aren't too pricey. In the woods it's just weird how much difference a little darkness makes to cleaning up. In reality I just had to collect my two straps then stuff all of them and the hammock into the bag, but when it's tough to even see the bag it just makes the whole thing tough. I can't imagine picking up anything more complex, though I don't think there are too many occasions you have to collect your camp in the dark.Also, the kakadu bivy came today, so weather granted I'll be testing that tomorrow.
First impressions of the bivy:+feels like it's apocalypse proof+popping up the dome is super satisfying, feels really solid, and the materials are premium +easy to set up+surprisingly roomy for a bivy-the dome is as heavy as it looks, the whole thing weighs almost 6 lbs-I have a feeling the condensation in the thing is going to be wild-I'm already dreading repacking itGonna take it out sometime next week and hope for the best. Already though, it feels more like a really sturdy novelty tent than something you'd take with you backpacking.
>>2767396Yeah, anyone who is interested in a bivy stay far, FAR away from this one. >follow the instructions to repack it>joints make "cracking" noises and feel like they don't want to give>recheck the instructions... nope, doing it right >undo one of the legs>they finally move a bit, still cracking >try rolling up the tarp>still too bulky to fit in the sack>rinse, wash, and repeat several times till I get it just thin enough>finally goes in but feels like it's about to burst>think about having to repack this each time it's deployedOn top of that, I'm pretty sure this was used.
>>2767406That’s for the follow up Anon
>>2766497Use a larger tarp or use an under quilt protector that pulls up beyond your head. Sometimes I just use a protector in lieu of an under quilt as a wind break. But my tarp is large enough and has doors so I've never experienced rain infiltration >>2766513Hardware is actually a worse water break than knots, look up some videos that demonstrate this. In general water running down suspension lines is a boomer meme>>2767331Some hammock fabrics are thick enough to prevent mosquitoes but many aren't. Again an under quilt protector works well here, sets up fast, packs down well, and weighs an inconsequential amount. I recommend everyone have one
>>2767415Yep, I'm sending mine back (thank goodness backcountry takes returns). Didn't want anyone else to take the gamble that I did. >>2767429Definitely. Sucks because I want to go back out with one but my back is covered in itchy bumps this morning so I won't be hanging in one till I have a bug net and an underquilt. Those masquitos must have had a field day.
>>2767465And I should say, I really did like the idea and make of that "dome" thing. The build of it just isn't practical in the slightest and the instructions are more vague than some from IKEA. I wish I would have gotten a picture of them before I packed it up. It was the equivalent of this pic and when the whole bivy relies on a structure that feels like you're breaking and snapping when you're putting it into the bag, it's a stressful experience.
>>2767465Permethrin
>>2767587Might have to. They've blown into full size welts.
>>2766246>most camping gear that looks interesting feels like it barely lasts a yearthis isnt true at all, unless by "interesting" you mean fad equipment that doesnt do anything well
>>2766480I have the DD superlight jungle hammock and havent had any issues. the dual use is extremely useful if your route takes you in and out of treeline and you dont have a set campsite planned. it doesnt have a waterproof floor (just resistant) so I just use a small groundsheet. although my go to is just a tarp tent now so I havent used it for awhile but its the only hammock I own and ive never felt the need to try anything else>>2766530im 6'2", its very cozy to sleep in, height of the bivy is taller than my tarp tent when fully staked, no problems at all but I find space to be less important than warmth and weight as im mostly camping alpine or in the shoulder seasons >>2766497any hammock suspension worth anything will have drip lines that bleed off water in a heavy rain>>2767396>bivy is 6 lbsyikes
>>2767717All I know is that when I wad looking for tents and hammocks, a lot of the recommended brands from a 1-2 years old had since stopped producing their products. A lot of the budget but quality stuff has also been rebranded and is more expensive now.>>2767731Yeah, for what it's worth, if it packed down better it may have been worth it for the gimmick... but even then I feel like there are just too many downsides, especially for a Bivy that initially costs 100 bucks. It's a bivy with all the downsides of an average tent.
>>2767587>>2767597Also... anyone know any potential ways to kind of develop some immunity to skeeter syndrome or am I just sol? Didn't used to have it but I guess at some point I got it.
>>2767331There are external bug nets for hammocks. Most of them go around the hammock forming a kind of a second floor underneath it, but I prefer ones that reach all the way to the ground.You can lounge in your hammock with your legs outside of it, you can easily reach things on the ground and you can prepare food in peace without being attacked by insects.It's going to be a bit heavier and bulkier but to me it's worth it.
>>2767989Yep, I got my eye on one at the moment thats really nice. It's 60 bucks, but considering how much I'm loving the hammock I won't mind spending that when I get the money and some bills paid off. Still need to find a solid tarp to hang over me for the rain. Just about every day now I've gone to the park to hang.
>>2767989>>2767990I think I'm right back at "making my own" after looking around. A lot of the more expensive ones seem to be pretty flimsy for the price going off the reviews, and the cheaper ones never have terribly good dimensions or, like you said, reach to the floor. Worst case scenario, I buy one of the cheaper ones and the bottom of the hammock will rest against it defeating the purpose in the first place. Glad I didn't initially fork out for a hammock with a bugnet attached as it really doesn't do much for you.
Anyone know some good brands for underquilts?
>>2768176just get whateverit's not like sleeping bags where if your sleeping bag sucks you die of hypothermia. you just need an underquilt, it doesn't matter which one you get unless you are doing something unusually difficult - in which case you would already have a good idea of the underquilt performance requirements you needed.
>>2768178I was looking around and man are they pricey. Some of the more budget ones (particularly onetigris) seems to make a diagonal lay fairly uncomfortable. Some homeless guy in the comments was saying his solution was to just take a comforter or blanket and lay on top of it and that that kept him warm, so I'm a bit tempted to try that out... (though I'm sure if it were that easy there wouldn't be such a demand for underquilts)
>>2768176They’re all based on the quality of the insulation. Most down quilts are nearly the same price for the same temp rating. Synthetic gives you a bigger chance of finding a good deal, but will never be as light or pack able as down (just like sleeping bags). There are a few cheap down quilts out there (AliExpress), but there’s no telling how well they actually work (or what down weight they use). You pretty much get what you pay for, at least most of the time.
>>2768182Apparently, just getting a cheap camping blanket, attaching some string and carabiners to the end, and throwing it under your hammock works the just the same too.
>>2768184>You pretty much get what you pay for, at least most of the time.Ain't that always the case. Might try DIYing a lot of this at first and upgrade as I go. The hammock for me is just so much more comfortable than the tent I've got. Heck, it's more comfortable than my own bed, so eventually I would like to get the better additional components. As of now I'd just like enough to have a few comfortable nights out in the woods.
>>2768189I’ve done a lot of sewing DIY projects but never tackled a quilt. The materials alone cost around $150, mostly because 850fp down is like $12 an ounce.
>>2768192Oh no, I meant just taking something like this: https://a.co/d/djsiReAThen tying some bungiecords to the ends and attaching some carabiners (or even just a loop) to tie to the ends of my hammock and letting it sit beneath it. Going all out and making my own everything would be counterproductive and, like you said, not very cost efficient.
>>2768197It’s pretty common.
>>2768856Oh perfect, thank you. Yeah, I figure the cheaper ones force you into a banana shape, and the more expensive ones that give you some room to lie diagonal go for $120+. For now I figure it's just a good idea to do something like in your pic and see how it holds up as the weather gets cooler. Right now it is in the 90's, but next week it'll be in the 50's so that'll be a good time to test it out. Also, watched a couple videos on why laying on top of blankets or your sleeping bag still isn't ideal.They get you on the extreme comfort of the base hammock, then all the additional stuff you need to camp out in it is just wildly expensive. Truly I have gotten into the micro transactions of the /out/ world.
I have a cheap (Etsy) down underquilt and it kicks ass. I would recommend a cheap down underquilt + underquilt protector over any synthetic solution. Also a poorly fit underquilt can feel 20 degrees cooler so make sure you've optimized its suspension to maximize the loft warmth (picrel)
>>2768184i have an aliexpress underquilt, definitely beats laying on a sleeping mat in the hammock, also its quite light and pretty compact for how big it is.
>>2763872Hammocks are so dang based bros
>>277120474 degrees outside, in the middle of the woods, and just loving every second of it. I really need to work extra hours to get the whole camping setup to spend the night out here.
>>2771207Another thing I realized... trash bag. It was not fun carrying back all my (and other people's) cans and bottles.
redpill me on this kit:https://hammockgear.com/wanderlust-bigfoot-complete-kit-for-hammock-camping/Am beginner, would like to pack it with my ADV bike to get some motocamping in before the year is through.
>>2771339>600 bucks for a hammock setI wouldn't, especially for a beginner. First off, how tall are you? You're height will greatly factor into the hammock size you'll want. You'll really wanna start cheap first. 1 to see if you like it, 2 to figure everything out with the cheaper equipment you won't be afraid to rough up while experimenting. Definitely go on the cheaper, higher reviewed side first though to make sure you like everything and are comfortable enough in a hammock to sleep. Also, I feel like you can get an equally good setup to that for half the price.
>>2771339It’s probably the best bang for your buck full setup.$500 of that price is just the 20* quilt set that uses 900fp down and is actually comfort rated.I currently have three quilts from hammock gear, and sold a fourth for about 90% of its original price, so there is a decent market for their gear if you decide you don’t like hammocks and want to sell.That’s something you can’t really do with cheap Chinese quilts.>>2771398>Also, I feel like you can get an equally good setup to that for half the priceWith that wanderlust kit, HG discounts the hammock and tarp to about the same price as you can get equivalents from OneWind.Insulation is a different story however.Even the “good” cheap gear like OneWind is still an $70 underquilt, the DD Underblanket is $75, and both use synthetic insulation that is probably only comfort rated down to 40*F. (Hard to tell exactly since they don’t use comfort ratings and don’t give specs on the weight of the actual insulation)Neither of them even use top of the line synthetic insulation (Climashield apex).The closest cheaper alternative to a HG down quilt is an Apex quilt from Arrowhead.>pic rel
>>2764922You can camp on the ground with just a tarp and bedroll.
>>2771416You can also do no tarp and only a bivy, stealth camping, can be concealed with debris or hidden away in nooks and crannies.
>>2771416>ignores everything Anon wrote about site selection>ignores that the hammock is hung on a hill>>2771417>muh bivvy>muh stealth campingBritish or just old fashioned retard?
>>2771412Iunno, I still think it's a gamble just starting out. I've had numerous people recommend the cheap gear till I knew if I liked it and would actually use if and I wish I had taken that advice with my tent. I still got something useful, but retrospectively I would have sank that money into my hammock instead... but there are also people that can't sleep in hammocks. Some don't like how it feels, some don't like the "vulnerability". Wouldn't hurt to buy a 10-15 buck hammock off Amazon first to make sure you enjoy it and could see yourself sleeping in it.
>setup hammock>go to sleep>a gust of wind appears>a widowmaker kills youOn average a 107 people die every year while sleeping in their hammock. This is just the U.S. alone.
>>2771563>setup anything that isn't a bunker>go to sleep>a gust of wind appears>a widowmaker kills youOn average 100% of humans die every life while existing in this world. This is just the U.S. alone.
>>2771563That's why you need to look at what's above you. If there's a big ol widowmaker, don't setup there. Also, for what it's worth. A widowmaker almost killed me just walking around on an upkept trail one day. If you're afraid of that sort of stuff, /out/ isn't the hobby for you.
>>2763875>aquire booney hat>sew webbing into hat long enough to tuck into neck of shirt>wear the fucking hat>???>profit
>>2771744Nah bro. Those bloodsuckers go for the feet and the back through the hammock more than anything. The worst thing about the feet and the back too is that you don't necessarily feel them as they are drinking their fill. I went ahead and just got a 360 bugnet.
>>2771755im gonna assume you live somewhere warm. godspeed anon.
>>2771756Warm and full of frign pollen. Sometimes you gotta fight for your love for /out/. I'm just glad that we are starting to get into the 70 and 60 degree nights, but the ragweed is an absolute nightmare.
What do you gain from spending more money on a hammock, bug net, and rain tarp?
>>2771767Do you mean in terms of quality or just having them?
>>2771768Just in general. Is it weight, durability, better weather protection, etc? Or do cheap ass things that I could buy from Menards/local fleet store or that random all caps chinkshit on Amazon for cheap hit that diminishing returns mark?
>>2771767Generally spending more means an increase in quality (lots of down products and sewing) and lower weights/volume. 210T is heavier and packs less tight than 20D silpoly, etc.
>>2771770https://youtu.be/q0CWpBg65cM?si=_Eb5GSydlQyGtl_CThis guy is pretty good about explaining everything and how it works. He doesn't get into the quality of the parts, but usually you're getting what you pay for... though I think a big part of that now of days is more the weight factor over the durability and functionality. There are a lot of cheap competitors now whom, to keep good reviews, had to be careful about what they sacrificed in their product and usually that sacrifice is weight... which you initially don't think is a huge deal, but when you have some light weight gear you'll know just how HUGE of a difference it is. Still, an anon in another thread a while back told me to start with cheap but highly reviewed stuff first and I think that's the way to go about it. You can get the more expensive stuff when you sorta know what you're doing or have done long trecks into the wilderness before and know what you want for your kit. Camping gear also goes on sale a ton so I've got a lot of "middle of the road" gear for the price of cheap gear, so have your notifications set up on the various sites you frequent for sales on the stuff you're looking at. (Also make sure the sales aren't "bs" in which they up the price of the product they are selling to some aggregious amount to make you think you're getting a good deal).I've got a 70 dollar hammock for 30.A 40 dollar bugnet for 8. A 100+ dollar backpack for 35. Just keep your eyepeeled on Amazon and Ebay, know what to look for, have a list, jump on the sales, and eventually, upgrade to the better things as you go. I've gotten a lot more use outta my initial 20 dollar hammock than my 200+ dollar tent that I jumped the gun on because I wanted the best of the best gear before I even knew what I liked.
>>2771767The more expensive hammocks are usually though out better, are of proper length for a fully grown adult and have many QOL features that cheaper stuff might not have. They're still criminally overpriced for the materials and labor required.Expensive tarps are lighter and (possibly) pack smaller, the rain protection is adequate on all of them, I have never had a tarp leak, except maybe those $10 chinkshit ones that use grommets instead of pullouts.
>>2771774>pissing out of the hammockAnimal.
>>2771811>not pissing inside hammock to create a warm urine cocoon
>>2771767Tarps will mostly be a matter of weight. I’m not talking about DCF but lighter nylon or polyester options. There might not even be too many cheap silpoly tarps out there; I’d assume most are nylon. They might be missing small features. Do they have panel pulls? D rings? Additional side pulls? Are they using rivets or sewn in loops? I don’t think any cheap tarps have beaks.
>>2764930I've literally never forgotten to pack my trees in my life. That being said, I don't have anything against tent camping like the other anon.
>>27713986'2", I like sleeping in hammocks (I have a dumb cotton amazon one w/ a metal stand) but id like to do more really hammocking.>>2771412Yeah I was torn on just getting the base hammock noticing the cost comes from the quilt, but it seems like a good deal since the under and top quilt is discounted if you buy the kit. Thats great to hear it resale is good if I decide its not for me.Thanks for the feedback
>>2765093>becket hitch>just a sheet bend on a byte
>>2772221that's a quick release sheet bend, not a sheet bend on a bight. on a bight would be if your entire length of rope was folded.
>>2771588a widowmaker can fall on anyone camping at night. a dyneema tarp guyline and dyneema structural ridgeline over your head actually increases your chance of survival compared to tentplebs with structural poles
I have always tent camped. This weekend I used a hammock set up for the first time. The weather was perfect 60 deg F at night, 80 deg F during the day. I used an Enos single hammock, with the Enos bug net, Enos strap system that came with the hammock and Enos rain fly. There was very little chance of rain but the rain fly was very easy to set up so I did just to keep morning condensation from the tree leaves off of me . I have an old milsurp GI canvas sleeping bag that I put in the hammock and ended up just sleeping on top of it the night was so comfortable. I'm a back sleeper. Don't really sleep much on my side even so that makes hammocks easier for me. i think I got my best nights sleep out camping ever in the hammock.
>>2772936I'm so excited. I've almost got everything to be on my way. Just scored a 200 dollar hennesy potomac underquilt for 120, got a 10 dollar bugnet coming at the end of the month, and then I just need a good tarp and I'm ready to go for the rest of the year. If it were better weather I would have held off on the underquilt, but considering we are going into fall I figured it would be best to work a little extra and spring for it now. I'm so hype... now the hard part is going to be finding the right spot off the trails to sleep where the forest jannies won't find me. Part of me wants to sell my vidya collection to expedite this a bit. I've had more fun /out/, exploring, and setting up my hammock in Comfy places than I have on any game in the last... maybe 10, 15 years?
new to hammock campingwhat overnight temps require underquilt in addition to just taking my normal sleeping bag/pad?
>>2773503Depends on the wind
How do you wanna go about packing your backpack with hammocks?
>>2773508Just strap em to the outside.
>>2773503I was comfortable and able to sleep on top of my sleeping bag down to 60 deg F . I think if the temperatures were sustained less than 60 F I would get into my sleeping bag. I think I will use 50 F until I learn otherwise to use an under quilt in addition to being inside my sleeping bag.
>>2773508My least compact setup consists of two down quilts (a 40° full length an a 20° 3/4 length for temps around freezing), an 11’ hammock with an integrated bugnet, and a 12’ hexagonal tarp. All of that is in a 48L pack (along with typical stuff like food and a cook kit and so on). My pack is lined with a trash compactor bag. I jam the quilts straight in there, not in individual stuff sacks. My hammock is in a very loose double ended stuff sack, and it goes on top of the quilts. My sleep clothes go on to or the sides of the hammock, then the compactor bag is rolled closed. Everything else can get wet or is stored in my food bag. My tarp is in a snake skin, and it’s stored in a big stretchy pouch on the back of my pack.
>>2773532I'm having a tough time optimizing (granted, it's my first go).I've got my sleeping back tied to the lower outerframe, gonna put my hammock, bugnet, and underquilt in the main compartment, then I have miniature Potts, pans, and stove that I suppose will go in the main compartment as well. First aid kit will go in upper left, rain pancho/jacket in upper right... then food and various small things in the lower three compartments?It's already heavy with just the hammock, sleeping back, small light weight pans, and rechargeable battery in there. I'm getting worried about the final weight of everything.
>>2773597Realized I accidentally put two of the same size pot sets in there. One was heavier (but nicer) the other is smaller and light weight. Still debating on em though. The light weight one technically comes with a cup and a small plate, the bigger one comes with two containers/bowels that can store stuff for later. Leaning towards the smaller light weight ones though just for the extra space and... well, lighter.
>>2773503I don't rank pads that highly on temps unless the hammock is made for them, and even then the pads weren't intended for a hammocks. So maybe 50ish. That's also me taking into account sliding off the pad and making it closer to 3/4 length. On the opposite side, enjoy a light UQ in a high as 70F if the breeze is stiff.You can kinda get away with a DIY UQ which might help you push the temps this fall.>>2773655>Pots pans, pluralBut why. Also the fact that you're strapping the sleeping bag to the outside already suggests it is a larger synthetic fill bag on an external frame. >How? The answer is down or apex, and better fabrics for tarps. I'm not shitting on you but there is a reason backpackers go that direction.
>>2773812Yeah, I got over zealos for sure. I'm down to a light weight pot and a light weight pan. Lotsa space now. In the meantime I figure it's best to just go out with what I got and upgrade as I go when I find myself needing various things or some of my equipment lacking in some areas.
>>2771563>set up hammock>INSIDE MY ASS>inside my ass>set up HAMMOCK>Ass my inside>107 hammock>cum in wind til death>CUM IN ASS>wind hammock alone>wind up set in hammock cum alone>brick boat>ASSS>cum in hammock in the U.S.>big tree doesn't want you to know this, but 107 hammock in ass alone>cum makes the widow>ASSSSheh, try again liberal.
>>2773891Sounds like a good plan, Anon. Happy trails and cozy hangs will come to you.
>>2773891This is literally the best way to do it. You can get good insight online, but your own experience will always outweigh that of others. Not only about what you need next time, but also what you don't need next time.
>>2774409Yeah, which isn't to downplay the help at all that I got from this thread and the last. I went from couch potato that occasionally takes hikes in the woods to spending all day out there relaxing, but it is wild some of the things you (or at least I) didn't even think about. Little things like even bringing a trash bag, or finding yourself accidentally out there a little too late without a proper light... more recently burr plants and how awful those are (I'm still finding pieces of them in my hands after having to pluck them off me and my gear). So yeah, just learning and upgrading as I go from here on in and getting recommendations as I need em. I am super glad I scored this underquilt though for half the price. Weighs next to nothing, is nice and fluffy, and feels primo. Guy who's bid I won is a backpacker who was also super cool too. Enjoy a pic with my nasty looking vulva hammock. Man can I not wait for fall. I'm one tarp away from being able to just go out and camp all night now. I've been gifted pretty much all the other gear I need, got my backpack, and soon I'll be able to find a good spot and just hunker down.
And actually, while we're at it, is there a particular way you want to pack up underquilts or am I safe to just fold it over once and rolll it semi firmly? I didn't know if that would mess with the material on the inside and cause it to "flatten" losing some of the warmth?
Anyone know offhand what's the lightest hammock+suspension under $100ish?Normally just tarp camp in the time between mosquitos and snow, but throwing a light hammock in the pack would be a nice option to have for when all the (((designated))) sites suck. My much-used noob-era amazonshit is 1.5lbs
>>2774894Curious as well.The lightest option I know of is a Dutchware half zipped made from Hexon 1.0, which is only good up to 200lbs. Considering the ubiquitous nature of their design, it’s probably one of the lightest (13.something ounces), but it’s $125.Light suspension is easy: make your own whoopie slings. It costs like $20 for 25’ of 1” poly webbing and 7/64” AmSteel.
>>2774954>Dutchware half zippedMy tarp is only 11ft long so idk if a 11ft hammock would work, know all the latest cottage stuff is in the longer sizes but my amazonshit it 9ft and it's "good enough" for my height. Would think something 10ft would be fine from the rain with it hanging, have to do more digging around the small brands. The basicbitch eno sub6 is looking like a decent 9ft option, 10oz and $90+tax+shipping after "discount". No bug net but if I'm expecting bugs I just use my tent because I like having somewhere bug-free to sit upright
If I have an underquilt made for 45°, could I then get a quilt/sleeping bag that's rated for lower temps and will they sort of work in tandem to deal with cooler weather, or if it gets colder than 45° is it a good idea to avoid using the hammock and underquilt altogether in that weather?
>>2775104Your back is going to be comparatively cold, but probably won't die. I used to run a 0F limit-rated bag down to below freezing with no underquilt because I was poor. Fucking sucked having my spine freezing at night, but I didn't die
>>2775106So then, they should sorta "combine" for additional heat I'd assume.>because I was poorI'm sorry to hear that. I've also heard stories from other homeless people who would just stuffed blankets under them to keep warm but that'd still no doubt suck
>>2774890Most times it's best just to stuff it into a plastic liner or decent trash bag in the backpack. That helps the fluff fill out irregular space in bag. Synthetic fills will get slowly damaged by compression cycles so want to avoid compression sacks, but down is fine with it and in camp just give it a real good shake. (Also works for loose-type synthetic fill).>>2775036An 11ft can work since your hammock sag puts the length at 85-80% of the total length, but you're right it's a little close. Doable though. Helps if the tarp has doors. The real issue is that most nylon hammocks are 9ft 8in long because of the fabric they all use.>>2775108Yeah compression on all but the heaviest synthetic fills will real diminish the warmth. Hence the quilt outside the hammock. Adding a foam pad to that list is probably your best bet to really push it.
>>2775202>>2775202Thankfully the guy that sold it to me sent it with a clothes bag and when I asked him about it he basically told me what you did. Looking into it, the potomac is definitely synthetic so I'll probably need to be careful about compression. On the upside though, it did come with an oversized stuff sack that's too big to stuff in my bag (unless I want to place things around it but that would probably further the compression) so it might be best to loosely put it in the oversized stuffsack then attach it to the top of the pack.
>>2775202Oh wait, I see what yours saying. Just stuff it on in there, but wouldn't the concern be some of my other equipment potentially damaging it or is that where gitting gud at packing comes in?
I've cut holes at the top and bottom of my sleeping bag and threaded the hammock through it. I just zip it around me when going to sleep and I can tighten the regular opening around my face. Pretty comfy, works fine when being a poorfag. I've only tried it on warm nights, it will definitely be to cold for any other night.
Is down shit for an underquilt?
>>2773812>there is a reason backpackers go that direction.If he is just starting out and has all that heavy gear already he should just embrace the suffering a few times to learn why exactly that lighter gear is favorable. It's relatively easy to upgrade to better gear piecemeal for less expense than paying through the nose all at once would be anyway
>>2775348Yeah kinda unless you are in a very dry environment. Even treated down has problems with enough water
>>2774890down packs regardless of how you do it. I stuff it by punching it down. the only thing to worry about is keeping it compressed for too many consecutive days, especially if it's dirty. oils and such will make it lose its loft. store it semi lofted and not compressed >>2775348uh it's the best? warmest, lightest... I don't understand the question. protect it from moisture with an underquilt protector and appropriate tarping. surely you're not using synthetic for a quilt that doesn't get compressed right?
>>2775382Hose shit. I used down for 635 miles of the Florida trail. You can’t find a more humid environment without leaving the US.
>>2775204You can try to toss it on top and avoid compression but the reality is that synthetic insulation gets its loft from the mechanical action of the fibers, they just eventually get crushed. We're talking over seasons of normal use, like hundreds of uses. But you shouldn't store it compressed and you shouldn't over compress it with a compression sack. Stuffing in to the bottom to fill out the gaps actually does a pretty good job of distributing the pressure on the bag and because it can fill out the little gaps it doesn't have to be compressed as much since it's a more efficient use of space.>>2775348Down is the highest warmth to weight hands down, and have the highest lifetime. You can also effectively wash down and bring it back to lofting. The negatives are that you do have to wash it since oils will effect the loft. Dampness can lower loft but often it's enough to bring something with a good temperature range because it's maybe an ounce more and you can dry down out and maintain it on the trail with your body heat. The only real danger is getting a down bag completely soaked, so you need to take packing it very seriously. Waterproof bag inside the plastic liner sorta seriously.
>>2763872My cousin only hammock camped and now he’s dead. A bear ate him alive. He had just eaten honey. He used to always say, “I can move camp so swiftly thanks to my hammock”. Then a bear ate him because of the hammock. He tried to escape but the hammock flipped him around like in a comedy movie. The bear kept flipping him round and round until he was completely stuck. He had a jar of honey in his hammock tooSo sad, hammocks are dangerous
Do you need a sleeping bag with a hammock or is an underquilt a stand-in for that?
>>2776726The under quilt is a stand in for a ground pad. You’ll still need insulation on top of you.
>>2775204There’s really not much that can snag it. I keep tent stakes on the outside of my pack because they’re usually pretty dirty. My suspension might be wet so it’s on the outside as well (along with the metal buckles). My hammock and clothes are directly on top of my quilts as well. My pot is the only metal thing that might pose a threat, and it’s toward the top of my pack or in my food bag.
>>2776755Can you make do with a blanket? I think i've seen underquilts that go on top too, are those a thing?
>waiting every day for my bugnet to ship
>>2776713FI hope your cousing is riping in peace ;-;
>>2775817>>2775843>>2776763I think I may go for something like 2776763 recommended. Keeping it on the bottom and having my hammock and clothes on top will keep it pretty safe, then I only have a lightweight pot and pan set in there that shouldn't bother it. Might even sandwich it between my clothes. The oversized sack is UGE, but if I strapped it it'd take up the whole bottom or top portion of the pack so it may be better to just stuff it in there. (It's a bit stressful packing a $200 blanket isn't it?)
did a bit of casual fuckin aroundshit was way too cold for our lack of insulation, i only had a woobie blanket and it hit 30F at night, had to go buy a sleep pad and break out a mylar blanket for my feetwas fun though, i'm sold on hammocks for pack weight and ease of use, weather permitting
>>2776827That looks like a comfy little campsite.>was fun though, i'm sold on hammocks for pack weight and ease of useDon't forget the comfort. I prefer the hammock over my own bed... granted I don't have the most comfortable bed in the world.
>>2776830I was too damn cold to be particularly comfortable, to be honest. In warmer weather I'm sure it'd be nice, though, but I was stuck sleeping in a full windsuit and still freezing my balls off most nights until I went for the tinfoil blanket. We did end up moving for a place with better terrain as well, dense pine was just brutal to bushwack through, and our second site had better forage and access to a nice creek
>>2776832Yeah, there was a day where I was out in some 80+ degree weather last month and found my back actually getting chilly. Made it a point then and there that I wouldn't sleep out in it without a decent underquilt. Figured if my back was getting cool in hot weather I couldn't even imagine how cold it would get in genuinely cold weather
>>2776834When it was ~40F or so even touching the sides or bottom of the hammock through a blanket and a thick jacket instantly made me cold enough to wake me up. I got probably 3 hours or so of sleep in the 12 hours of darkness we had, ended up going straight back into town to pick up something for it after that miserable nightI think the best bet for anything near freezing or below would be to just bring a mat and a proper sleeping bag. I was overzealous about the whole shrink your packing load idea and took the blanket instead and regretted it entirely
>>2776835Oh definitely.Give >>2771774 a watch if you get a chance. He gets really into how it all works while keeping the video relatively short and interesting. It's awful, I did a bunch of research into why your back gets cold but I don't think I'd be very good at explaining it. Basically, in the air there's nothing to build heat like if you were on the ground. You're just suspended there with your back exposed to the elements. You can try and use a sleeping bag or blankets under you but that material will get crushed down as the night goes on making you lose your heat which is why people highly recommend buying (or making your own) underquilt. The wait it sits under you allows the heat to build up and stay between the hammock and underquilt, though the guy in the video goes over various ways you can lose that heat real quick. Also, a tarp with "doors" helps a ton.
>>2776836I was thinking of the exact same idea while I was out there without realizing it was already a thing- why don't they just make a hammock that's two hammocks strung together, with one heavily insulated baggy one strung below the real load-bearing oneI'm so smart!!!!!
>>2776837Cuz then they can't nickel and dime ya. We are in the micro-transactions of /out/ camping styles.(Realistically there's probably some reason but I don't know it.)
>>2776827When I first started hammock camping, I started with an under quilt I fashioned out of a woobie blanket, and found it only kept my backside warm down to about 50F.Stacking two of them together suspended under me got me down near freezing
>>2776713Was the bear wearing a red tshirt?
>>2776839>>2776827Forgot to add, if you’re getting into hammocks because of less pack weight, that’s really only possible in the summer.A hammock+bug net+tarp weigh about the same as a tent like the x-mid1, and cost about the same too.The real difference is a pad vs underquilt.Even the highest quality under quilts are almost twice the weight and bulk of a modern insulated UL sleeping pad (for the same level of insulation), and of course those high quality underquilts are also almost double the price too
>>2776835I hammock camp in freezing temps all the time. The trick is to 1) use down under + over quilt, synthetic won't work 2) fit your underquilt properly so it's lofted but not creating gaps under your back 3) if needed, stop excess drafts with a better (walled) tarp and/or underquilt protectorpound to pound hammock camping works better for cold temps because you can surround yourself with lofted down and not lose heat to a cold ground. but at the same time if you don't fit your quilt right you will lose a tremendous amount of heat to draftsyou can also add a thermal pad I guess but I've never tried it. an underquilt protector (picrel) was all I needed to dial in my setup to keep me warm in very cold conditions
>>2776838They do! A lot of makers now have zip-on or even sewn-in insulation on the hammock. Most hammock stuff evolved for camping and cottage makers all have different backgrounds so you see a lot of approaches. But mostly getting a good hammock fabric to pair with a good quilt design makes separate pieces easier.>>2776842Very true. Right about freezing things tend to favor the ground in weight. On the flip side there's no better way to get cool in summer, and for many it's a little lighter than their 'normal' setups.
I usually car camp but the flexibility of hammock is appealing. Thinking about picking up an underquilt to keep things rolling thru the rest of the calendar
Last lights camp, at 20:00 heavy fog rolled over us, and was there all night till 11:00. Everything is wet even under the tarps. And fog really holds the temperature down, so it felt like 5 deg C instead of the supposed 12
>>2777323nights*
>>2763872Blacked?
>>2777323Yeah, fogs are pretty much the nightmare scenario, especially for hammock campers. It's your krypotonite and there's nothing really to do but hang everything out to dry.
>>2777330?
>>2777323I bring a tent if conditions are ripe for fog. There's not much you can do about it otherwise.
fog is another reason to use an UQ protector and a tarp with doors. in thick fog even a tent will get drenched
>>2765577The cub is such a beautiful bike.
>>2776837Insulated hammocks offer less versatility. I have two underquilts that I swap out with the weather, and in warmer months I don’t use one at all.
>>2766049I've been stalked by coyotes at night and I've had close encounters with degenerates innawoods so this has been my primary aversion to hammock camping.
>>2778705>I've been stalked by coyotesHoly shit, what a fucking coward
>>2778738this. only bitches and babies have issues with coyotes
>>2778738>>2778742Eastern coyotes, not western. They're hybridized with Canadian wolves and domestic dogs and are bigger and smarter than the ones out west. I've had to scare them off with gunshots previously. They're usually not a problem for most people but I do a lot of night hiking in the winter: the night is when they're boldest and the winter is when they're hungriest.
>>2778738>>2778742>>2778752 If it's coywolves that may be legit. Still I feel like any tarp camping would feel a little safer just for being able to see around you.
>>2764316Comfy / 10>highly reccomend an underquiltYeah, I recently got one after reading on here about it for the first time. Didn't know they were a thing.>t. tentfag>>2765577>checked and cubpilledI miss my cub, bros :'(
>>2778752Yeah the number of coywolf attacks on humans is all the proof I need to shit my pants at the sight of one.
I enjoy a comfy pipe about camp but I'm worried about my parachute hammock catching fire from a stray ember
>>2769177Do you have to use an underquilt? I've heard that you can just use a sleeping pad in the hammock?
>>2779295It is vastly more comfortable for gathered end hammocks since your not chasing the pad down all night. Exceptions include sleeping like the dead with no motion and bridge hammocks.
Wise Owl Outfitters Hammock Bug Net - The SnugNet Mosquito Net for Hammocks - Premium Quality, Waterproof, Mesh Hammock Netting w/Double-Sided Zipper - Essential Camping Gear https://a.co/d/iYcqHKgThrowing this out there as mine just came. I'm genuinely surprised with the quality for 8 bugs. The mesh feels really durable. Packs down real small and is extra light too. It has been raining a ton this week so I can't try it out yet, but so far my only foreseeable gripe is the mesh looks a bit thicker than the pic so it might not be as easy to see through as advertised.
>>27794378 bucks*Got masquitos on the mind.
Haven't camped in 15 years.Suddenly got the bug, and thinking of thru hiking the AT for a week or two next march.Anybody like these Amok Draumrs?they're a bit expensive but people say the sleep is uniquely comfortable
>>2779779They're well designed other than the straps are tree destroyers.
>>2778817>had a coywolf>only now hearing things about how fucked they are god damn.
>>2778752I don't reckon you're any safer in a tent vs a hammock with predators, between a hammock, UQ if you have one, and a tarp, you're a giant cocoon, if you're really that scared grow a pair or sleep with a knife. I sleep with a knife in a sheath and feel safe, the main thing is don't cook where you're gonna sleep and bring paracord to tie your food up.Luke from the Outdoor Boys channel camps in Alaska solo and has never had a problem (even had wolves around his tent one winter camping with his youngest. If he's fine up there, you're fine anywhere, just be mindful of your food.
>>2780137I’m more worried about squirrels, field mice, and other assorted rodents getting to my food. But don’t tell /out/; this board thinks that’s never an issue, ever, ostensibly because it’s never talked about.
>>2780272food in bag, hang bag in tree, simple as.why is that even a worry with a simple solution like this?
>>2780314That’s my reasoning for always hanging my food. It’s simple and it keeps out the most likely animals (rodents). And just to be clear, nearly all of my camping is on hiking trips, sticking to seldom used backpacking trails and forestry roads. That is to say, I’m not staying in popular established sites in a busy national park.The majority of /out/ disagrees, and believes that rodents aren’t an issue. I’m not joking.
I can't sleep well in a gathered end hammock. Inferior design that's just>bundle a bunch of fabric together and lay in it broBridge hammocks are superior tech.Gatherfags can't understand.>>2779779>3 pound hammock>hike the ATHave at it.
>>2780337Bearvault is effective at stopping mice too.Heavy cunt tho
>>2764872Lol real comfy having nothing behind your head
>>2766114I have this one and it sucks
>>2781117>3 pound hammockOooooh! Aaaaaah!An extra pound or two!OOOOOOOOOOOH! I AM DEFEATED!
>>2781232An extra two pounds for one item, for really no good reason, is crazy on a long hike.Not to mention it’s way more expensive too.You are retarded and don’t go /out/ tho so no one gives a shit what you think
>>2781261>for really no good reasoncomfortable sleep?
>>2781262Two extra poinds of carried weight for marginally more comfortable sleep is not a rational trade off for a weeks long trip centered around hiking, especially a trail with a prevalence of shelters like the AT, hence it’s not a good reason.
>>2781262If it wasn't specifically for a thru hike, it'd be whatever.Even gathered end hammocks are already a bit heavy and time consuming for serious thru hikers. Pads and tents predominate.Yes, an extra 2# is a huge weight addition.I've been spending hours since my last, short section hike looking where I can shave a few ounces.If you can make a sacrifice elsewhere, go for it. Buy a dyneema tarp I guess, that would neutralize much of the add.
>>2781267>>2781270I'll confess again, yes, I havent done any thru-hiking specifically yet.But yall are too entrenched in the fanaticism of weight.When the reality is that its not really that relevant on the outcome.I'm only going out there for a few weeks at most, more if i like it.It's not even "that" physically demanding to thru hike. Women do it every year. People do it every year with bags over 20 pounds. You can literally just go at your own retarded pace.It seems to be way more about mental fortitude and being comfortable on trail.The idea of being "superlight" below 10 pounds is absolutely totally arbitrary, and a retarded hindrance if you're aggressively making yourself less comfortable.So yeah, carrying 12 instead, and actually getting a real sleep is better.I'm not even like a "hiking culture" person, is this not a conversation you had one million times?My baseweight as I've calculated right now is 15ish. Might go up a few more for some other gay conveniences, but probably not.
>>2781316I think you’re lying and your base weight is 25, not 15.If you’re dumb enough to think a 3lb meme hammock is a good idea for a weeks long hike, I bet there is a ton of other dumb crap you plan on bringing too
>>2781322lmfao get fucked retard>durrr i bet youre doing a stupid thing that validates me
>>2776863>1) use down under + over quilt, synthetic won't workWhy does synthetic insulation suddenly 'not work' at freezing temps anon?
>>2781323Post LighterPack then, fag
>>2781407like i couldnt just ask chatgpt to generate one in seconds with a draumr
>>2781119Ursack would probably be a better solution for rodents if hanging wasn’t an option, but hanging is easy. I just run a line between two trees and hang my food there. Wet clothes as well.
>>2781316>I’ve never done the thing but let me tell you why you’re wrongGet the fuck out of here you god damn idiot.
>>2781409Guess my base weight.The quilts are both down. Ones a 50° full length, the other a 20° 3/4 length. The tarp is a very typical 11’ x 112” cat cut hex tarp made from 30D silnylon. The hammock is a netless 11’ in Hexon 1.0.
>>2781421Watch out! A leaf fell on your backpack!You're carrying excess weight!
>>2781316We can theorycraft however we like. Statistics for trails like the AT show that <20lbs is normal. However we also have the data to show that most people ditch or replace things due to weight and non-use. You could also see that ~20% of hikers leave due to injury. More weight can very often lead to injury. Probably more likely in this scenario is that a 3lb hammock is often leading towards a heavy base weight. Ie. >>2781322 A hiker who really needed this to sleep might send the cash to lighten up elsewhere, but only the pack list tells the truth. Although as far as 'real sleep' I find the more I hike the more can just pass out on a foam pad so your mileage may vary with the hammock. Most tend to lean towards efficiency in camp with more miles. Less stuff saves the most weight.>>2781336It does it's just big and heavy relative to down.>>2781431You joke but hikers tends to polyesters and water-proof fabrics in shelters and bags because they weigh noticably more when wet. Something like 1lb for a tent. There are other reasons like sag and that many new fabrics also weigh less to start. You swap a nylon tent to a cuben and a cordura bag to xpac and that could be or 4 lbs different. That's an extra day or 2 of food, or an amok hammock!
>>2781472yeah, i've read as muchjust wanted to make fun of nerds trying to learn me something about my whole pack when they only know a single piece of gearappreciate you not being a butthead
>>2781472The average pack weight at the start of the hike is 20lbs. The average base weight after a successful thruhike is around 16lbs. Source: https://thetrek.co/appalachian-trail/top-backpacks-on-the-appalachian-trail-2021-thru-hiker-survey/#:~:text=The%20average%20capacity%20of%20a,of%20a%20successful%20thru%20hike.
>>2781316>haven't thru hiked>certain that weights not that important on the outcome>an outcome you've never experiencedAnon, please...>women can do itKek okayAnyways, a few notes>thru hikingA specific term that means "finishing" the trail as in some marathon from end to end. Debatable if doing a few very large chunks counts as a true thru hike. Never thru myself. No interest.>section hikeWhat you'd be doing, which basically just means hiking a little piece.Nobody thru hiking is going at a slack pace, the big three are long trails with limited windows to hike in. That's why everyone slashes weight and complexity.>super lightUltralight>15# base weightSure. With a 3# hammock...If you actually hike in mountains with a pack, you will quickly realize why any added weight is abhorrent.
>>2764930>>2764922>needing any of thisBivyBoys stay winning.
>>2781684No one uses a bivvy on a regular basis because it’s a miserable experience.
>>2781696I regularly use my poncho as a bivvy when I'm not using it as a tarp. Some day I'll buy an actual bivvy but I've been fine for years with careful use of my poncho in rain and snow.
>>2781751That’s a tarp you fucking idiot. God damn this board if fucking stupid. It’s too stupid to even lie correctly .
>>278142312lbs>>2781684Bivys fucking suck, what in the absolute fuck is the point in sleeping in a coffin on the ground when you can just have a tent and keep your bag & shoes inside and dry.
>>2781794>he doesn't know how to fold a poncho into a bivvyGI style ponchos have snaps on them specifically for conversion into a bivvy (it's why the poncho liner is a blanket with ties instead of something with a head hole) but you can fold a poncho or tarp into a reasonable bivvy configuration without snaps. Why are you so angry?
>>2781880Wrong, and wrapping yourself in a fucking plastic sheet is so god damn stupid. >why are you mad that retards keep lying to you?It’s insulting to my intelligence that you would think I believe you for a fucking second
>>2781804>what’s the point? They’re intended as emergency shelters in arid alpine environments but dumb fuck retards (primarily non-Americans) insist on claiming to use them as shelters. I have no doubt that some of these dumb dumbs have done it a few times, but do it enough and anyone but the most brain damaged idiot will switch to something else.
>>2781884Seethe more, gearfag. I've been sleeping in a poncho since the 1990s.
>>2781696>>2781804I always sleep in the snugpack bivy. Can set up literally anywhere. >Dont need trees>Dont need soft groundTentfags, hammockfags and tarpfags seethe
>>2781885>intended as emergency sheltersThey're popular in the more survivalist type circles for that reason. Not everybody is after the REI glamping experience.
>>2781935>making the experience miserable for yourself due to reasonsYou do you I guess.
>>2781941https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Xen.+Mem.+1.6&
>>2781887No, you haven’t you’ve done it a couple of times and didn’t die, and therefore consider it a successful trip. It was t comfortable, but youre still very new and think being outdoors isn’t supposed to be comfortable. It’s sad.
>>2781935>if you’re not wrapping yourself in a garbage bag then you’re just glamping Spend more time outside and you’ll eventually decide that you’d rather be comfortable than uncomfortable. There’s even an argument for comfort and space as a utility on long hikes.I’ve also never heard a good plan for using a bivy in the rain. As an emergency shelter it makes sense; you just lay there. But that’s all you can do. What if it’s raining during dinner or breakfast? Or right after? It’s a non-issue with a hammock or tent but literally impossible with a bivy. I always bring a novel and sit in my hammock reading (or my tent for the few times I’ve been in a desert). I take care of my feet if it’s a long hike. I check maps to see what’s coming up the next day. I stretch in the afternoon and when I wake up. >>2781927>I don’t need soft ground or ventilation because I can handle sleeping on rocks and waking up sopping wet the one night a year I go campingTry it a couple of times a month and you’ll change your mind.
>>2781942>lives in his parents sturdy house>sleeps in a nice comfy bed>eats delicious frozen foods from Walmart>plays video games>owns a phone
>>2781958Yeah.Hammock is great because a large tarp has utility all its own. Also you can lounge in a GE hammock at least, way more comfortably than tent setups or even hiking chairs (1hr max comfort).I will switch to bridge hammock soon. Sad to lose the comfy lounging of a banana.Bivy is just dumb unless you're hiking so many miles per day you have no time left but to sleep. And that's a dumb pursuit but to each autist their own.
>>2782030Even FTK hikers take the time to set up a tarps and bug bivies, not fully waterproof emergency bivies. Snugpak is a fucking meme shutter that’s shilled on survivalist and gun forums for some reason.
>>2781958>he doesnt know the snugpak ventilates>he doesnt know about sleeping mats/padsLol! Tent/tarp/hammockfags remain as the utter retards.
Are there any good videos on setting up a onewind tarp and how to tie all the knots and stuff? It came with a ton of stuff that I'm not quite sure how to use.
>>2782074It has subpar ventilation. This is well known. I never talked about ground pads. You didn’t address the rain issue.You’re either a troll, a LARPer, or a total fucking retard. I’m guessing the latter.
>>2781885Real, yeah.>>2781927look anon i know bait when i see it, but on the off chance you're not even being ironic, enjoy sleeping in a coffin if that's how you wanna sleep, you must get headaches often.>>2782077He's just trolling pretty sure
>>2782075Actually, scratch that. Looks like I found a pressy good guide. But now I'll shift my question to if I can get some good tutorials on how to tie some simple knots and loop knots. I've got six guylines I gotta knot to the tarp and create loops at the ends.
Looks great, enjoy it!
>>2782262Every thread he's spamming this dumb bot. Jannies, do your thing.
>>2782091I use three.Basic pretzel knot but you loop the end so it pops apart. That's 85% of my knots.Prusik for attaching tarp to a separate ridge line.Taut line hitch for anything that needs tightening down.You can go full knautism with truckers hitches and whatever else, but those 3 get the job done and are easy to remember.I do some climbing and memorized like 4 other knots for that. 95% of knots are either super specialized or are redundant. Just learn a few useful and easy ones and chill.Also dutchware if you're super lazy.
>>2782091Tie loops on both ends. Then pass the guy line through the tarp tie out and pass one end of the line through the other (a simple larks head). For tying loops, a figure 9 loop or a bowline are pretty basic and work really well.
>>2782269>>2782273It requires quite a bit of setup but I got it. Gonna use that pics loops to re-tie the main two ropes to the tarp as they look fairly simple. Had to tie four perfect loop knots, and four of these knots that tye two tiny bungie strings together. Finally got the tarp set up though. Folding it was another pain, and it's definitely not fitting in the sack it came in again.>I do some climbing and memorized like 4 other knots for that. 95% of knots are either super specialized or are redundant. Just learn a few useful and easy ones and chill.Oh neat, I got a friend who does that. I always freeze up halfway up anything too tall, but yeah, I'll probably do that. They are oddly fun to learn with the cats paw being my favorite so far, but the sucky thing is how quickly you forget them.
>>2782077I assumed the "wet" was related to the supposed lack of ventilation. Why would rain be an issue? Its waterproof like any other tent. I get you spent $500-$600 on a tent, too bad my $100 bivy does everything better.Also>need ventilation>open the ventilationIts that easy. You dont cover the ventilation on a tent and then cry about it getting moist inside.>>2782079Never any headache. I use a pillow.
>>2782310>why is rain an issue? It’s waterproof.I was right: genuine retard.>it is ventilated thoughlollMAO
>>2782310>Why would rain be an issue? It’s waterproof lolThis is how we know you haven’t used a bivy too many times. The person you originally replied to laid it out for you here: >>2781958 If it’s raining and a bivy is your only shelter (which it is, because it’s all you need, because it’s waterproof, right?), you can’t do anything but lie down and wait. Just last weekend I stopped and camped a little earlier than I normally would because it looked like it might rain, which it did. I was able to finish setting up just as it started drizzling. It rained pretty good, stormed for a bit, then was off and on all night and most of Sunday. Both dinner and breakfast were eaten under a tarp.
>>2782315>waterproof doesn't keep you drykek
>>2782315>no rebuttalSeems like its rather me that was right>>2782327>he is unable to make food while on his stomachConfirmed fatso. I can see why you need at least a 2 person tent to go out.
>>2782342>>2782346>what do you mean “condensation?”Newfags just insists on letting everyone know.
Surely you have pictures of your bivy camp setup.Particularly in the rain.
>>2781958There are uses for a bivy alone of you have reliable weather windows or other shelters. If youre in the desert or SoCal, or it's only a weekend trip that's pretty safe to make a gamble on a bivy. When paired with a tarp, the more waterproof the bivy the smaller the tarp can be. Like a poncho tarp is probably too small for anything but an emergency shelter in any real weather but if you have a goretex bivy that's not a bad combo.
>>2782499I want to see any anon actually using a poncho larp in a thunderstorm. It would not work as anything other than just huddling inside a worn poncho.>>2782346Show us your setup in rain. I won't wait, you can't, we all know.The entire actually-goes-outdoors community has settled on tents and hammocks for many reasons. Bivies remain memegear. Anyone that promotes them instantly outs themself as a never outdoors retard.
>>2782560>The entire actually-goes-outdoors communityNobody falls for you ad populum. Snugpack bivys are versatile, can set up ANYWHERE, ventilate, are waterproof and are low profile. No need to be upset about being a plastic hiker like yourself, always walking a trail, always needing a campspot, always a charged phone in your pocket. One day youll move out of your comfort zone, newfriend.
>>2782560NTA, but asking for a pic taken of a shelter in the rain is a stretch. I know I’m not getting out of my hammock to take a picture. I’m also not really in the habit of taking camp pics, so everything I have is usually pretty old. Pic is how I set up in a storm (it barely rained that night; mountain forecasts are shitty). >>2782579Your wrong, the other guys right. As mentioned earlier, Snugpack is shilled on forums where the knowledge base is low; survivalists, guns, and here on /out/. >they are ventilated you guise! I’m serious!I’m almost certain you don’t know what a bivy is. Also, no one dares to talk about using one in the rain outside of “well it’s waterproof and I can just lie down in it,” which just reinforces the assertion that you haven’t used it much.
>>2781957Cope and sneed, backpacker. I grew up playing with milsurp in rural America. /out/ was born of /k/ and this sort of approach was a lot more normal here before all you REI fags started shitting up the board when your cities got locked down. >>2781958>you’d rather be comfortable than uncomfortableWhen I hike and camp with my wife I fill a frame pack with a tent, air mattress, camp chairs, and whatever other supplies striker her fancy so she can play house. When I hike and camp by myself I'm more comfortable taking a leaner approach and have fun seeing how little gear I can get away with and how quickly I can establish and tear down camp. >you just lay thereYes, that's how humans typically sleep. >What if it’s raining during dinner or breakfast?Wear your poncho or other rain gear or put up a rain fly. >>2781979If all of that were true it would be all the more reason to seek a less luxurious /out/ experience and LARP as Socrates innawoods.
>>2782620Snugpak bivys literally have ventilation to allow airflow. How is it possibly to be this much of a newfag. It is also waterproof rated, and as long as you treat it once in a while itll be waterproof until the day you die.
>>2782634I don’t think you know what a bivy is. Post a picture.>you’re a newfag if you don’t know the specifications of this singular productIs that right?
>>2782622>I came from /k/Yeah, we can tell newfaggot>huhuh that’s how people sleep. Fucking idiot. >just put up a “rain fly”We call that a tarp. It defeats the purpose of a waterproof bivy. >I wear my poncho and eat in the rainSure you do, guy.Sure you do.>I like being uncomfortableWhy do you sleep in a bed at home? Why don’t you sleep on a rock when camping?>i seek to be uncomfortable when i’m campingThis is the hallmark of the newb.
>>2782648>newfaggotThis board exists because there was too much non-weapons innawoods posting on /k/ and we needed a new board. She was christened Sc/out/, daughter of /k/ and /an/. Milsurp, roughing it, and autistic STALKER challenges were staples of early /out/. >Fucking idiot. Absolutely, but at least I can figure out idiot-proof sleep solutions.>We call that a tarp.A tarp is not the only object that can be used as a rain fly. A rain fly isn't the only use for a tarp. >It defeats the purpose of a waterproof bivy. Your critique of the bivvy is one that can be remedied with a rain fly, poncho, or critical application of two brain cells.>Sure you doI do. It's not an exotic concept, even sportsball normies do it while tailgating in wet weather. >I like being uncomfortableNo. I like the challenge and utility of learning to be comfortable in situations aren't conventionally comfortable.>Why do you sleep in a bed at home? My wife likes it and it's efficient for a permanent habitation. I take comfy naps on the floor when convenient.>Why don’t you sleep on a rock when camping?Some of the big rocks around here get really nice moss carpets so that can actually be extremely cozy. I've also learned to position myself to sleep comfortably enough most of the time on uneven rocks which has come in handy on a few nights where there weren't many good options for setting up camp. I like to try to make the best of whatever's available at the end of the day's hike. >hallmark of the newbYou will never grow and reach peak comfiness if you don't expand your comfort zone.
>>2782647Im not talking about *a* bivy, I am talking about the snugpak bivy. Having trouble keeping up with the convo?Yeah youre a newfag, snugpak isnt exactl niche in the /out/ communities.
>>2782560Considering I've seen a number of blue tarp burritos work in the rain, I have some certainty that a tarp burrito could work out at least in some weather. Then again everywhere has their own idea of what a rainstorm is and how reliable the forecast is. Not discounting your point, just suggesting that you could camp quite a bit with some weird shit and go a while with no issues, and that may be their experience so far.>>2782579They can be great as far as bivies and will still be mogged by virtually every other shelter choice. I say that as a bivy user.>>2782620Love the side pull out setup there. 100% stealing. Damn I should also get a snakeskin.
>>2782709>snugpak isnt exactl niche in the /out/ communities.It’s only common in LARP communities. You’ve relegated yourself to those, ostensibly because main stream forums would see you for what you are.
>>2782709>hey, post a picture>”blah blah blah… *no picture*
>>2782759Sure, im heading out this weekend. Ill bring my phone and take another pic. Its gonna be rainy so id love to show you the amazing magic of waterproof fabric.>>2782757No, its common among most communities, just because youve relegated yourself to the REI community where all you watch is JustinOutdoors and other faggy product placement creators doesnt mean youre not the weird one.
>>2782764Name a community other than milsurplarpers where bivies are common. That isn't even more niche and autistic than the bushcraft/milarp community.Even REIfagging it with a backpack is pretty niche, and it's clearly still a far larger community than whatever you're thinking about.Anyone who doesn't car camp is already off the deep end, but bivies are Mariana trench territory.
>>2782829Woodsman community, people like Paul Kirtley. Most of them sleep under the sky, and thus prefer bivys.
>>2782829>REIfagging it with a backpack is pretty niche, and it's clearly still a far larger communityVeterans are ~7% of the US adult population and there's a healthy non-veteran milsurp culture. Forbes reports via the Outdoor Foundation that in 2021 only 3% of the population went backpacking. I would argue that familiarity with milsurp and milsurp-adjacent gear is more common than familiarity with niche backpacking products.
>>2782881So we know for sure that roughly 3% went backpacking, but you think a larger number are involved in “MilSurp culture” simply because they served in the military. Pretty big leap that goes against observed reality (“don’t believe what you see; trust me bro”).
>>2782915>but you think a larger number are involved in “MilSurp culture” simply because they served in the military7% of the population has professional experience with military equipment. Additionally, there is a culture of using milsurp for civilian /out/ purposes. >goes against observed realityIf your observed reality is your local REI and backpacking subreddits, sure. In my observed reality in rural Appalachia Army-Navy surplus stores are largely synonymous with camping stores.
>>2782956>there is a culture of using milsurp for civilian /out/ purposes.No one denied this. We know it exists, it’s just tiny.>every frame of reference I have is retail storesYou should go to literally any popular hiking spot and see what other people are using. Inb4 “I only go to places where no one else is!” Then how would you know what other people are using? Wait, you already told us; niche Internet forums where the main discussion isn’t even backpacking. Go outside. REI is one of the largest retailers in the country btw. They’re way bigger than Jose Zog’s Military Emporium.
>>2782969>We know it exists, it’s just tiny.There are more Americans who are familiar with widely available and standardized milsurp than there are who are familiar with niche backpacking consoomer esoterica. >go outsideI go outside in rural Appalachia. REI is for urbanites, there isn't one in this county or any of the adjacent counties. The regional outdoors stores all have some quantity of milsurp. >Wait, you already told us; niche Internet forumsI don't use forums, you might have me mixed up with another poster or perhaps a strawman you've built yourself.>the main discussion isn’t even backpackingYou can camp out of a backpack in questionable weather without doing reddit-tier "backpacking" and plenty of people do, e.g. hunters, Scouts, or normal /out/ enjoyers.
>>2782972So your proof is just theory crafted and not from experience or observation. Great.
>>2782980You are illiterate and stupid and type like a frantic woman or low-test male.
>>2782986And you have so little experience that you think the things you read on a survivalshit forum are common practice. You also shit up a hammock thread with your retard opinions about meme gear. I posted a pic above from GSMNP; there was no MilSurp in sight on the most popular hiking trail in the most popular national park. There rarely is because most people don’t use that trash. NTA by the way.
>>2782881>vets are 7% of thrbus therefore 7% of the us sleeps in biviesDid you come up with this amazing logic while laying in your sack in the rain going insane from staring at a flap of plastic three inches from your nose?My neighbor is a vet, he owns a boat. If he goes /out/ he will sleep in his boat at a minimum, because he's a vet and he has great retirement benefits and doesn't need to sleep in a plastic sack like a dumb hobo when he's recreating.>familiar withHow the goalposts shifted the second you realized nobody but your micro community actually uses bivies.>rural Appalachia, no reiThe AT is there too. Wonder how many people are in tents on the AT vs random autists in sacks.
>>2783075I’m convinced that the person you’re replying to doesn’t know what a bivy is, ostensibly because a lot of manufacturers label any small tent as a bivy (especially front entry tube tents).
>>2783075>laying in your sack in the rain going insane from staring at a flap of plastic three inches from your nosekek, imagine being too mentally ill to sleep in a bivvy
>>2783219>wake up in your plastic coffin>it’s rainingNow what?
>>2783219Catch 22 because you need to be mentally ill to buy one.Now what?
>>2783255Roll over and get out. If you're really worried about getting even a little wet bivvying with a rain fly (as already discussed) is a common remedy and is my preference when practical. >>2783268Are you ESL? Not being a dick, but if there's a language barrier issue it would explain some of the misunderstandings in this conversation.
>>2783306>rain flyYou mean a tarp, right? Why do you insist on calling it a “rain fly?” I don’t think you know the difference, nor do I think you know what a bivy is. >my bivy is totally waterproof>I also need a “rain fly” so I don’t get wetPossibly the most retarded shelter theory (you do t actually do this). You’ll wake up wet anyway (in most places).
>>2783307>You mean a tarp, right? Why do you insist on calling it a “rain fly?”We had this discussion already:>A tarp is not the only object that can be used as a rain fly. A rain fly isn't the only use for a tarp. >Possibly the most retarded shelter theoryThe idea is that the bivvy is good enough most of the time and that supplementing it with the option of a tarp shelter of some kind can make it more versatile in more types of weather. Specifically, it helps alleviate the one minor discomfort you've been continually kvetching about.
>>2783309>I covered my plastic sack in a tarp and not it’s ventilatedIt’s not>it’s waterproof but I still need a tarplol>it’s a rain fly! Reeeee!Is making up new nomenclature a zoomer thing?You don’t use this setup while at least one of mine has been posted in this thread.
>>2783312>new nomenclatureTouch grass and read a book ESL zoomer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_flyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarpaulin
>>2783314>wikipedialolLMAOKeep larping. The thing is, we know why you’re retarded, but you don’t. It takes a slight amount of experience to see why you’re wrong about bivies, why we know you’re lying, and that no one calls a tarp a “rain fly.” Now post the article on bivouac that describes literally any outdoor shelter as a bivy so we can laugh some more.
>>2783315>no one calls a tarp a “rain fly.”They do when it's configured as such:>Rain tarp (or rainfly)https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/how-to-hammock-camp.html
>>2783316Rain flies are purpose-made, generally for a tent. A tarp is not a rain fly. You’re a fucking idiot.>referring to REI as the authority on hammocksHoly fucking shit, and I thought posting a link to Wikipedia was stupid
>>2783332>no one calls a tarp a “rain fly.”>REI is one of the largest retailers in the country btw.>referring to REI [...] was stupidkek>Rain flies are purpose-made, generally for a tent. A tarp is not a rain fly. You're the kid in elementary school who failed to grasp how a square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn't always a square.
>>2783255Get dressed and keep hiking. Tf you mean now what? Do yall just sit in your tent all day due to some rain?
>>2783349>I’ve slept in tents before, but never something like a bivvy. Camp lightly on the ground and the resulting experience is humbling and deafening (even with rain tarp protection).>The ground bruised my shoulder. The bivouac shell disoriented me as it fluttered in my face. The smell of sweat and soiled undergarments made me sick. The crinkling and rain drops — loud like a bomb — gave me a temporary case of PTSD. For at least an hour after sleeping in the bivvy just a few minutes, I was anxious and irritable.
>>2783349>Get dressedWhere are your dry clothes? How do you change into them without getting wet? >start hikingNo breakfast? No checking your map? No brushing your teeth? No enjoying the serenity of a calm rain shower in the woods? Thanks for letting us know your theory.
>>2783427>Where are your dry clothes? How do you change into them without getting wet? I would imagine he keeps the next day's clothes in his sleeping bag, same way people do when it's cold out. >No enjoying the serenity of a calm rain shower in the woods? Can't you do this while hiking or hanging out in your rain gear? Why do you need a portable cabin to enjoy the rain or perform basic functions like eating?
>>2783433Again, all you’re doing is revealing yourself as a larping faggot. >Why would someone want to sit in a cozy tent while wrapped in a warm quilt, eating breakfast and listening to the rain patter against the roof instead of doing it hunched over in a poncho?Quite a mystery>keep you sweaty hiking clothes in your bagFucking disgusting.>pack up in the rain without your sleep clothes or quilt getting wetYour theory is flawed.
>>2783437All you’re doing is revealing yourself as a pampered glamping faggot. If you don't actively enjoy hiking in the rain there's something wrong with you.
>>2783449>how do you eat, change clothes, pack up, and perform other simple morning tasks if it’s raining and you’re in a bivy?The question is pretty straightforward, but instead you deflect with off-topic accusations. We were talking about utility during inclement weather, but you tried to switch to the old LARPy slogan; “camping isn’t supposed to be comfortable.” You can’t stay on track. My main shelter is a hammock. I eat breakfast sitting in it sideways (doesn’t matter what the weather is doing). I floss and brush my teeth and check any leukotape bandages I might have. I make sure my food is organized for the day so I don’t have to dig for it. I can pack everything but my suspension and tarp without putting on rain gear. Tent users can do the same. Bivy users can’t.
>>2783454>The question is pretty straightforwardWhich is why it's been answered multiple times. However, you don't personally like the answers, so you sperg out and screech that they're impossible. >I can pack everything but my suspension and tarp without putting on rain gear. Tent users can do the same. Bivy users can’t.Many bivvy users also use a tarp, as has been repeatedly discussed.
>>2783306>ESL?Are you, I think the joke was pretty obvious.You're talking to at least two different people, by the way, maybe more hard to say.>rei (other post)Is a fashion shop for suburban women now.>>2783460>"many" (all five) bivy users also bring a tarpWhat the flying fuck is the point then, congrats you saved zero pounds and space and also have to sleep in a coffin.
>>2783460>>2783466>my bivy is waterproof>just use a tarp with a bivy incase it rainsThis brings us way back to an earlier statement: you’ll will eventually realize how retarded this is, as the only advantage to using a bivvy (saving a marginal amount of weight) is gone.
>>2783427>Where are your dry clothes? In my bag at my feet>How do you change into them without getting wet?I simply put them on while laying there.>No breakfast? No. Snack while you walk.>No checking your map?We're in 2024>No brushing your teeth?no>No enjoying the serenity of a calm rain shower in the woods?no. Chances are I probably enjoyed that laying in the bivy, and ill enjoy it while hiking.
>>2783460>Many bivvy users also use a tarp, as has been repeatedly discussed.holy shit are bivvy users braindead?
>>2784196Lack of oxygen while stuffed in a plastic sack causes that, please understand.
>>2784196It's derivative of the GI meme of poncho/tarp and bivvy being part of your kit. The idea is that your kit should have layers and redundancies.
>>2784407And also versatility, which is something a bivy/tarp combo provides plenty of.
