>>2769822
don't forget that in the night he tripped or slipped and fell down the scree and rock some 20 times. the last time he fell he was unable to get back up.

this whole story is absolutely disgusting and enraging.

Do people never check the possibility of rain before hiking?
These
>caught in a storm
stories, I truly wonder if they even were monitoring the weather patterns for that ay

>>2769825
Someone on /out/ told me it doesn’t rain in the mountains, and no one disagreed with him.

>>2769825
I don't think they were planning to be out that long. Also high elevation mountain ranges don't have very good weather forecasting.

It's a bit weird that this is the aspect of the story that interests you despite all the other glaring points of contention but okay.

>>2769822
Imagine the lawsuit. I wonder if criminal charges will be filed

Leaving someone on the mountain, taking his stuff, and failing to call the cops for 9 hours has to be criminal negligence/endangerment

>>2769822
>Surviving a single night /out/ in summer is a challenge
You can literally sit under a tree somewhere, wait for the rain to pass, and hike out by following water (which, for all the needmuhcompassfags, means simply going downhill until you find a stream, then following that downstream until you reach a road or settlement - just looked it up on maps and it would've been 20km on that mountain, so a days march at most.

Besides, how could "all your gear" get stolen in the first place? Knife, firestarter, water bottle (and filter / purification) and basic FAK should always be on you. That's like the absolute basics, and enough to survive for a few days as long as you don't have to worry about animals.
>>2769824
>don't forget that in the night he tripped or slipped and fell down the scree and rock some 20 times.
Which is why you don't hike at night unless you know what you're doing.
>>2769825
>Do people never check the possibility of rain before hiking?
Never have, never will. If I'm out far enough that I couldn't get home during a storm, I've got all I need to sit out the storm with me.
Besides, unless you're right next to an airport, military base or som other place where they ollect data, the weatherforecast is around 50% reliable, at best.

>>2769828
I know its not great or exact but generally if you check consistently and look at multiple sources over the course of a week and then at satellite imagery right before you leave to hike you should get a rough sense of if that's a day where there could be storms or not, I have a feeling due diligence was not performed, and that they wanted to to murder this guy and I hope they all rot in prison (but won't sadly!)
>btw teambuilding
>should we abandon someone slow
>YEAH
I can't tell if retarded, malicious, or both

>It's a bit weird that this is the aspect of the story that interests you despite all the other glaring points of contention but okay.
if there wasn't a storm he would have likely made it back

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>>2769833
>b-but it’s summer!
Europeans really are clueless. I thought it was a meme.
>couldn’t make it up a normie mountain trail
>just bushwhack for 12 miles
lol

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>>2769836
this.

thank you anon for making sense of this. I'm an east-coaster and even I have seen hypothermic conditions in the white mountains in the middle of summer, and that's during the day. the ground is permafrost 365 days a year fro a reason. at night in bad weather you are absolutely fucked even in July. the Presidential range is littered with weathered crosses of people who died of exposure because they were hiking when a rain storm materialized, and it happens every year since we started keeping track in the 1800s.

never fucking mind a 14k footer

I can vividly picture this group of people. Colorado white collar wagies going to “bag a 14er bro” as an absolutely unmanageable group of 15 people. At least one of them wasn’t physically up to the task, he gets left behind while all these mediocre dudes are busy falling over each to look like reinhold messner in front of the handful of 6/10 women who foolishly went along on this boondoggle.

Everyone forgoes checking on the guy because they just assume somebody else did it. Then he gets left up there.

These are your average people who roll into REI and drop $2000 on Cotopaxi and Patagonia shit.

>>2769843
that's not really what happened, at least not exactly. it was an annual hike they'd been doing to raise money for charity and the sad sot had done the hike in previous years as well. yes he was slower than the rest, but a lot of weird things went down that sabotaged him. not just leaving him behind, but removing the trail markers they'd left, toying with him via text to re-summit because he couldn't find any trail markers down anymore, and then letting it go for 8 hours until well after dark before they reported a lost hiker. it's just fucking weird and honestly it sounds 80% man-made (i.e. negligence)

>>2769836
Translating this for Yuropoors:
>14k feet = 4267 meters
>53f = 11.6c
>26f = -3.3c

>>2769853
thank you for you (metric) service

I'd fire everyone except the guy who got lost

>>2769856
Don't forget the dept head or manager who influenced this whole shit and wasn't even there. And some useless HR cunt needs to go just because it's a good excuse to get rid of some of the grazers who don't produce anything.

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>>2769822
heh i almost made this thread earlier this week. https://denvergazette.com/outtherecolorado/news/immobilized-hiker-lost-overnight-on-colorado-14er-after-getting-left-behind-by-co-workers/article_6cb7b3c2-63d4-11ef-8407-af9590bb5239.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawE-q8VleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHWEHmVJpFpg72FHr49RI5912lUvlAbKFZuVxzadqdyIQAmhB6qwxcoazMA_aem_7PhZoGcuPTbLILMfiV-FoQ
Since this is basically the rescue team talking to the reporters, sharing what the hiker told them, im taking everything with a grain of salt. Im assuming it was more like:
>at the saddle
>some employees move on to the summit
>the less-able employees turn around
>the guy in question is probably more in the latter category, but insists he can do it
>eventually insists that the rest go on without him, nobody argues with him
>he eventually summits, to his credit
>but he's inept and doesnt remember the general direction he came (pic rel)
>gets corrected after heading the completely wrong direction
>weather comes in but he continues anyways. This is probably when he "fell" (slipped is likely more accurate) 20 times
>ffw to the morning when he was able to get rescued

Again this is all his word as repeated by the rescue crew. The hiker is probably culpable for a lot of this, being under-prepared, incompetent, and overconfident. Also claiming to be "abandoned" sounds dubious considering they clearly gave everyone the option to turn around ant one point. Nobody forced him to continue to the summit... and also wouldn't he have ran into the rest of his coworkers when they descended? Also, even with the markers removed, its really hard to imagine getting THAT disoriented when there topography itself is a landmark. like he went east when he should've gone south

That said, I would expect the team of coworkers to go at the pace of the slowest guy or at least check up on him regularly, so they are somewhat responsible for leaving him behind

>>2769833
>Besides, how could "all your gear" get stolen in the first place?
I think the bigger problem with his coworkers packing out his things for them is that the gear pile marked the correct descent trail. If his bag was there, he wouldn’t have taken the wrong turn. We have no idea whether or not he had a water bottle and a pocket knife on him.

>>2769833
>>2769861
>Besides, how could "all your gear" get stolen in the first place?
This is another dubious part of the story. Crucially, none of the articles say that HE left stuff on the trail. Just that gear was collected. This would mean that either the guy left his bag with everyone else's stuff and they took it anyways OR he didn't leave anything at all and was relying on everyone else to leave stuff. Again, these are basically his retelling of events.

If its the first scenareo, it would be unlikely that they took his bag. Youd have to assume malice since nobody in their right mind would take a whole extra pack, especially if they know the person it belongs to is going to grab it.
The second scenareo makes more sense, that he was simply underprepared. Much less of a stretch than a whole group of people collectively agreeing to be malicious towards a coworker during an employee activity.

How about not being a fat fuck??

>>2769822
So what we learned here is don't be absurdly fat and then try a physical activity with a group

>>2769864
I don't think this is quite it in this case but in general yes

>>2769859
Nah, this all falls on the group for leaving him.
>but he’s fat/old/out of shape and couldn’t keep up
It’s an office “team building” trip, not a local mountaineering club or group of friends. You open your expectations prior to going on any group trip (don’t lower or raise them). It’s a social event. If you can’t make it to the summit because the group was incapable of getting there then tough titties. Who gives a fuck? Spend time with some people and get to know them better.
>he said to go on without him
Grow a dick and some balls and tell the group to stick together.

>>2769871
I responded to the wrong person. I’ll just go play in traffic.

>>2769828
What's weird about that? It's much stranger that you're passive-aggressively policing his interest and/or attention.

>>2769875
>policing
no

>>2769876
Cool it with the micro-aggressions, you're oppressing me.

>>2769835
>you should get a rough sense of if that's a day where there could be storms or not
They did. That's why even the fattest slowest one of them summited before noon.

You've obviously never hiked in mountains in the summer.

>>2769859
>t. a member of the traitorous group that:
>left a sole member alone
>took his gear (?)
>took the trail markers (?)
>abandoned a sole member to the elements after they knew he was lost
>ignored calls for help from abandoned member

>>2769856
this
"Team building weekend" where one member is left to die alone on a mountain.
lol

>>2769822
how fat was he?

>>2769859
Bro you must be a psycho
They literally took his gear and the trail markets and ditched him. It doesn't matter if the hiker had fucking downs syndrome the rest of the crew are psychotic

>>2769895
>left a sole member alone
>took his gear (?)
never did it say he personally left gear. they took their gear. see >>2769862
>took the trail markers (?) (also >>2769900)
the cached gear was the "trail markers". Read the article(s).
>abandoned a sole member to the elements after they knew he was lost
they didn't, he summited and even got diverted well before the rain came. he was even in contact and they corrected him. They called at 9pm which is standard for reporting missing hikers.
>ignored calls for help from abandoned member
nowhere in these reports said that. when he had reception, he was able to successfully contact either his coworkers or the rescue team.

and believe me, im not excusing his coworkers, Im just trying to make the case that he wasn't a complete victim in this case. There's shared responsibility

>>2769836
>10 to -3°C is a problem
I've hiked topless in that temperature range, and it's not a wide spread either. If you're weak / underweight enough that those temperatures are a problem, you should pack a jacket in the first place.
>can't walk along a trail for a single day
>go innawoods anyways
>get lost
>pikachuface.png
that's why everybody makes fun of burgers.

>>2769907
Post boobs

>>2769833
>everywhere has water
Retard

>>2769903
>they didn't

bruh, it's been hours since they reached the summit, they haven't seen the dude, he messaged them, and they replied that he was on the wrong trail.

they literally knew he was lost, saw a storm coming in, and no one bothered to go up to find him or at least call search and rescue until hours later

>>2769912
If a summertime storm can take you out and everybody hates you then maybe you are the problem.

>>2769907
>tough guy LARP
You’ve already proven yourself to be a retard. Why double down?

>>2769914
>temps below 50°
>raining
Enjoy the hypothermia. Oh wait it’s summer time so you’ll be ok.
Lmao

>>2769825
Forecasts don't mean shit in the mountains. It's like a general maybe this might happen maybe not guideline. All the weather stations are in the valleys or tens of miles away at least in western US wilderness and the clouds and weather does whatever the fuck it wants. You don't even need to be that high up, crazy weather happens on 5k-6k ft peaks in some western US states, especially the inland western states. You just have to be ready for anything.

>>2769822
>team building exercise
>they abandon him

If this was mandated by the company, I think he has a good case for a lawsuit. It’s even more ironic that they are in a business where your job is to calculate risk.

>>2769822
Why are Americans like this? I used to look up to you guys.

>>2769836
wow you just proven to everyone here that you are a massive wet pussy lmao, congratulations. Me and my friend were clueless idiots long ago and ascended and descended 3000m mountain in rain once. We marched 70km because we missed a bus too. We laughed all the way, had some blisters from wet shoes and that's that. Your little shit mountain there has good visibility we had none due to all day and night long fog and being in rain forest.

>>2769864
>>2769899
>fat
>https://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/colorado-office-retreat-terribly-wrong-113265537
this report name drops the guy. ill leave it to you to track him down and figure out if hes fat

>>2770943
I don’t think it even has to be mandatory but I’m also no lawyer. The company I used to work for had annual parties that were drunkfests. They stopped from fear of being sued. My point mainly is the parties were not mandatory but they still killed them. Like I said though, I’m no attorney. Regardless, I hope he sues, wins, and never has to work another day in his life. Imagine going back to work after this?

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>>2769822
>team building exercise

Lmao

>>2769822
Why would I leave my pack?

>>2769853
Those are pretty normal temps where I live, in yurop.
I've trained your marines in winter warfare, I wouldn't call out "yuropoors" if I was a fucking burger.

>>2769923
I'm good for a night of that. I work in a refrigerator and wear shorts. My fat has already browned.

>>2769822
>everyone drops their packs near the trail as they make their final hike to the summit
yeah don't fucking do that

>>2769899
It doesn't really matter. Posted it before but me and another guy got a grossly fat chick up Tryfan in Wales (real normie killer this one these days). She must have been 18 stone but she did it. BUT if she had started crawling we wouldn't have said 'eh fuck it find your own way to the top we'll leave you a snickers trail'. That's why we have revolutionary ideas like mountain leadership courses and radical shit like 'Leaders' who take the involuntary manslaughter charge if they bail on some tard who doesn't make it while failing to ring mountain rescue.

>>2769822
he can sue for conspiracy of attemtped murder

1 night on a mountain in summer? Id survive by sleeping and waking up slightly annoyed

>>2769836
LOL the prominence of this mountain is only 500 metres. Laughable

>>2771062
So you're Norwegian? Then you are one of the few Yuroriches.

>>2771452
In freezing rain? I don’t think you’d wake up at all.

>>2771461
Yeah, it’s a very easy 14er. There’s relatively little elevation gain and the hike is only about 11 miles, but how is prominence pertinent to the situation? How does it negate the issue of retarded Europeans thinking the weather will be mild simply because it was August?

So the weak got culled? I bet they were shit talking him the entire 9 hours.

Taking his stuff was dick though.

>>2771478
If you can't find shelter in a dense wooded area you deserve to die

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>>2771461
Ok but it’s still 4,500ft of elevation gain from the trailhead.

>>2771495
>dense wooded area
Why? Why also people insist on being low information retards? You have the internet at the touch of your fingers and can learn damn near anything in a matter of minutes.

The treeline ends several miles before the summit. It took me 30 seconds to find this. Please stop being retarded.
https://www.14ers.com/route.php?route=shav1

>>2771499
>ROUTE FINDING = LOW

>>2771504
Does that mean that it’s covered in trees? Or does it mean that temps are always high because it’s summer? Maybe it means prominence and elevation from sea level are the same thing.

Please explain why you pointed that out and how it’s related.

>>2771505
How'd this retard get lost anyways if it's easy? Also, just go to the tree line RETARD

>>2771507
>it’s covered in trees
You still haven’t explained this. It’s not. Acknowledge your retardation
>just go to the trees
He headed down a route, which was easy to find. It was the wrong one. He headed back, and it started raining. I’m not sure what’s so hard to understand. You’re just grasping at straws to win an online argument.

>>2771509
Clearly user error. He needs to stay in his cubicle.

>>2771514
>mountains are covered in trees
/out/ wisdom

>>2769907
Averages aren't extremes dummy

>>2771509
Hurrr it's freezing rain I don't know if I should stay above the tree line or head I'm not cover durrr

>>2769822
>how would you survive in the wilderness from a clear murder attempt by your co-workers who stole all your gear?
I never go /out/ with other people so this would never happen

>>2771529
>mountains are covered in trees
>no wait! I meant the trees are close by!
>no wait! I meant he should head in the right direction toward the trees!
What’s next, fag?

>>2771539
Does that mountain have trees on it?

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>>2771509
He headed down the completely wrong direction. This to me is the most perplexing of everything. How could he have fucked up THAT badly? I might understand if it was foggy and you couldn't see the rest of the fucking mountain that you're staying on, but the article doesn't say that and it would've been a very important factor to mention if it were true. Dude got disoriented despite having an overabundance of landmarks to orient himself to.

>>2771543
See: >>2771499
read what I said about low information retards (you are one)

>>2771553
Regardless of how retarded he was, “just go to the trees” is even dumber.

>>2771558
Does the mountain have trees, yes or no?


Are you this dude? Is the story about you? You are so fucking retarded

>>2769827
>>2771558
taking advice from anyone on this board about anything outdoor related makes you more retarded

you're asking a bunch of larping chris-chan-raping-his-mom levels of autistic retards how to do x or y outside.
You're literally asking toddlers how to survive in the wilderness or go hiking.
The answer is gonna be to "bring gameboy" and a ton of lighter fluid since they're too autistic to make a fire

>>2771461
Prominence isn't the same as vertical relief, western US mountains are famous for have text book technical prominence that seem low but the actual vertical relief on the ground is about 3-5 times that. Especially if you get lost like an urbanoid and slide down scree fields off trail. The trails take the easiest routes up. For many non-casuals off trail canyoning and peaking is the most difficult but most enjoyable form of hiking and backpacking.

>>2771461
the only thing this board has convinced me is that you are a bunch of virgins that go hiking, just a robot that goes hiking

>>2769822
>man survives single night outside
Great, more American slow-news-day hogshit.

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>the treeline ends several miles before the summit

>>2771565
Does the mountain have trees, yes or no?

Holy shit. There’s a link to a detailed description and a picture showing the route. It’s pretty clear, Anon. Most of the route is treeless.

>>2771612
I dunno bro when I look up the mountain I see trees

>>2771612
Lol this guy must have been a completely out of shape dumbass

>>2771576
Joke's on you. I'm a virgin who never goes out and just collects gear.

>>2771565
>Does the mountain have trees, yes or no?
Anon that’s like asking if the UK has trees. It’s like, technically yeah, they have trees, but no one would call it forested.

>>2771612
Are you even arguing with anyone anymore? He knows you've proven your point but is avoiding any admission of being wrong. Just relax

>>2771028
Sometimes I think that would be easier.

>>2771469
Yeah, pretty much as far north as you can get in mainland Norway.

>>2769896
>co-workers of an insurance underwriting firm
somehow it makes sense

He sounds like a dickhead, they all sound like dickheads.

>>2769825
Like what >>2769951 said. The forecasts are for people at normal altitudes. If the mountain is tall enough the weather at the top will be entirely different potentially anyway. Just take Mt Washington for example. It's got a dedicated weather station near the top just because normal weather and weather at the top are way different.

>>2769951
This. It will change every half hour and still be wrong somehow.

Imagine a group of insurance underwriters at an insurance company event giving a straight story about liability after an incident. They may as well be lawyers. They are all playing metaphorical chess right now trying to avoid getting sued by one another.

>>2769822
I hope he sues the fuck out of everyone and gets settled for life.
Fuck those cunts.
The fact that it was a team building exercise is just the cherry on top.

Perfect example of American corporate culture.

>>2769833
unlike wherever tf youre from american meteorologists are actually well funded and know wtf theyre doing. if you dont check the weather before climbing a mountain youre gonna win a darwin award real fast

>>2769850
It is well known that sales are scum. It's a job where you realize you can exploit people's trust to make a profit if you just delete your senses of honesty and guilt. The internal reasoning to become a salesman should tell you everything you need to know about these guys and why they did what they did.

>>2769833
>follow water down hill in a storm

>>2769822
What an enormous bunch of cocksuckers. No man left behind.

>>2769822

That's how team building is done. The weak get left behind and suffer their horrible fates. Eugenics at its best by abandoning the weakest link. GO TEAM INSURANCE!(Don't worry guys, he's insured)

>>2773162
I like that their job is literally calculating risk statistics and they left him behind lmao

>>2769822
well this is why you should always be carrying a few key things in your pockets. even a SAK with a little saw and a lighter would be useful in this situation, maybe a space blanket just to keep the rain off. I'm from near the rockies and september is not a month I'd like to be stuck up there for a lot of reasons, even with proper gear.

>>2770973
If I could figure out how to spell ?stephanatie? I might have some luck.

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>>2769825
the forecast for where I'm living right now said >95% chance of rain all day.
I have had periods of sun long enough to dry my washing outside.
forecasts are a suggestion, 60% correct at best in my experience.
and mountains change everything, it can be raining one side of the mountain and sunny on the other.
mountains causes changes in weather, they make clouds drop their rain. you cannot predict what is coming for certain, except for in the next hour or so by looking at the clouds.

>>2769822
leaving someone behind and taking all their gear is a peak dick move.

>>2774085
I think it's more like Stefannaky

>>2769822
>go on office teambuilding hike
>one or more people in the group unprepared or unable to complete the hike
>don't stay with them or hike back down together
>instead take all their shit and leave them there
Wow, that's some teambuilding right there. These guys sound like assholes, who are the-
>insurance
I am no longer surprised.

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Hiking with Office coworkers? What a idiot. What next is he gonna go ask Homeless people for Financial advice?

>>2769829
>criminal negligence/endangerment
>hard time getting my head around the indifference of his coworkers.

probably concerned about their evening plans messed up

>>2769822
>as a team building exercise
>team building exercise
If i was him, i'd sue the company and then, after getting money, quit. What a bunch of shitfucks.

>>2774585
underwriters are notoriously shitty?

What an idiot. Zero sympathy for this dude. If you can’t keep up with the pack, especially a pack of average American office workers, you deserve to be left behind. Don’t ruin the outing for the group because you’re so out of shape you can’t keep up

>>2774678
Based. You're an underwriter. You should know risks.

>>2774676
They have a reputation for being bloodsuckers

>>2774675
This, he should have been carried up on a palanquin as king fatfuck donut lord of the office.

>>2774585
>>don't stay with them or hike back down together
he chose to not hike back down with the half that couldnt make it to the summit