>>2773566
Out of those states, Wyoming. The Tetons and the Wind Rivers are just too good.

Washington has the best mountains in the lower 48 though.

>>2773568
Where would Colorado rank on your list?

>>2773569
Not him but more trafficked and less wild, but far more accessible (highways everywhere) and with a lot more winter sports.
If you like skiing and are a bit more casual/dont mind trail walkers as much, it's alright.
They're the same mountain range at the end of the day, with minor ecological differences just due to geography.

>>2773568
My list for the lower 48 would go Washington > Wyoming > California > Colorado

>>2773571
>>2773569
meant to reply to this

>>2773566
None of those states have as much high elevation land or protected mountain areas as Colorado, and I think co also has the most designated wilderness in mountains there too.
But for quality of mountains, it has to be Utah or az or NM, for having the whole range of high alpine to low desert mountains. The northern rocky states are great but there is really only one mountain type; northern rockies.

>>2773570
How difficult is it to be alone there?

>>2773580
In Colorado? Good luck lmoa

west virginia

>>2773566
>best
ehhh for doing what exactly?

>>2773566
>leaving out the 3 states with the best mountains
Cringe

>>2773580
Going out on Wednesday for nearly a week, to a fairly trafficked area, then going deep backcountry. Will report back this weekend

whats the grizzly situation like in Montana, alberta says open season, do bears any wander north

>>2773575
>protected mountain areas as Colorado, and I think co also has the most designated wilderness in mountains there too.

no. WA, ID and AZ (and CA) all have more designated wilderness than CO.

>>2773805
Most grizzlies in the lower 48, they stick to the western mountainous part of the state and don't go much into the prairie anymore. Around 1,000 are found in the Northern Continental Divide in northwestern Montana. About 1,000 more live in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem in the tri-state area of Wyoming, Idaho and Montana, they sometimes move bears between the two areas for genetic diversity.

>>2773813
Mostly because CO is riddled with massive swathes of ski slopes that are all heavily managed. They're still great /out/ territory, the trails around the slopes are usually just infested with tourists while the unmanaged but not nat'l forest areas nearby are fine.
Multiple entire mountains per resort, of which there are damn near a dozen of, results in a fairly impressive acreage of still good but not state land

>>2773822
>riddled
>massive swathes
>heavily managed
>infested with tourists
>good but not great land- fify
sounds awesome.

>>2773825
I mean, it absolutely is riddled with slopes that are infested with tourists, but they stick to the trails. You could go to some of the biggest ski slopes in North America in the summer (they usually operate as mountain biking, BMX, and hiking trails during the off-season), walk a half a mile away, and be in completely unmanaged backcountry. It's just not designated wilderness.

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>>2773568
Big horns are great too. Cloud peak wilderness is for hardy people.

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Why do people not like Montana?

>>2773863
it sucks and its full. Wyoming and Colorado are much better. go there.

>>2773863
Because locals gatekeep the fuck out of it because the population has exploded 20% since the scamdemic. And that's a good thing.

It’s pretty much impossible to beat the Bob or Frank Church Wilderness in the L48. So I guess I’d say MT & ID, though if Colorado had areas like that I’d reckon it would be tough to argue otherwise.

>>2773864
>>2773866
I'll be coming to Montana regardless so make room.

>>2773566
Colorado > Wyoming > Utah > Idaho > Montana > Arizona > New Mexico > Nevada

>>2773864
I just got 1.2 million after selling my house in California. I think I'll try to set up in Montana.

>>2773863
I don't like most of the Montana people is all. A lot of landowners in Montana are boomers who moved there 30-40 years ago so they could larp as John Wayne then turned around and talked shit about "transplants" as if they didn't do the same thing.
Living in Idaho, anytime somebody comes from Montana they usually bring a snotty attitude with them in my experience.

>>2773670
thanks have fun

>>2773864
Stay out of Wyoming. It’s a barren shithole and there’s nothing there

>>2773930
>nothing there
>two of the most popular national parks

>>2773880
>California
You good with -45°F
>1.2 million
Lol. Try Glendive.

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Please do not move to idaho

>>2773813
CA and WA were not part of the original discussion states, and it was mountain wilderness, not just any wilderness, so desert ones don't count

>>2773906
>Living in Idaho, anytime somebody comes from Montana they usually bring a snotty attitude with them in my experience.
I found it's the other way around

anyone from boise (really meridian) or CDA is insufferable because 75% chance they're a californian transplant. So I don't blame montanans for being snotty, we used to be brother states but the californians ruined our reputation

>>2774042
>theres no mountain wilderness in WA or CA
OK retard

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>>2773566
Please stay in Colorado, Utah, New Mexico, Nevada, or Arizona

>>2774059
No, but the discussion was only about the mountain west states, not CA or WA. OPs map was very clear

>>2774031
wonder if that thread is still going kek
I'm gonna check

>>2773566
Montana and Nevada are both great

Ocean is kinda missing but they're still beautiful places

>>2773566
Which is the best for poaching?

>>2774031
holy fucking cringe like what goes through these people's minds when they decide to put this out on the internet?

>>2774123
None of these guys can focus. Guess that's what 4chan does to your brain.

>>2773929
>>2773580
It was fun but it's extremely hard to avoid people anywhere. The spiderweb of highways mean that essentially nothing is truly deepwoods and off the beaten path, some bearded IPA drinker has already been there before you.
You won't see a ton of people if you go far off the path, and honestly after camping maybe 500ft away from a major trail and nobody finding our camp despite throwing tons of smoke, it's not difficult to *avoid* people, just to be alone completely. The vast, VAST majority of people out in the mountains are there to glamp, yell while strolling along well-maintained trails, and drink beers in the woods, not pitch tent off the beaten path and cook food over a campfire.

>>2775735
Try West Virginia. The trails are not well maintained but there's not a lot of people outside the popular tourist stuff (new river gorge, dolly sods, seneca rocks), and there's trails upon trails ranging from "officially a trail" to "abandoned since 1980 you will be climbing over trees in a muddy jungle for hours".

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Depends entirely on the objective metrics to be measured, and separately entirely upon your own personal interests.

Snowiest (by average and total snowfall in places): All above at least 400" average winter snowfall (above 500-700" for UT)
-UT
-CO
-WY

Close ties (all above 250" average winter snowfall)
-MT
-ID
-AZ
-NM
-NV

Most forest (by total area rather than percent land area covered in forest): Rank by percent listed on the right.
-MT (~40k sq mi) #5
-NM (~39k sq mi) #4
-CO (36k sq mi) #3
-ID (~34k sq mi) #1
-AZ (~30k sq mi) #6
-UT (~29k sq mi) #2
-WY (~18k sq mi) #7
-NV (~17k sq mi) #8

Total number of cataloged mountain peaks listed by minimum prominence of 300 ft (91m); US mountaineering standard (subject to change over time)
-AZ (7,505)
-NV (7,063)
-MT (6,062)
-ID (5,897)
-UT (4,540)
-CO (4,384)
-NM (3,251)
-WY (3,143)

Total number of listed geographically/geologically recognized mountain ranges (primary-secondary-tertiary-stand alone), different from total named mountains of which each state has more than 3,000 each.
-NV (300 +)
-AZ (210 +)
-ID (115 +)
-NM (110 +)
-WY (100 +)
-MT (100 +)
-UT (80 +)
-CO (70 +) [clustering leads to lower counts often]

Mean peak elevation with minimum 300 ft (91m) prominence by mean county peak list mean elevations: (not the same as mean peak elevation as a whole).
CO - 10,335 ft
WY - 9,106 ft
NM - 7,458 ft
UT - 7,384 ft
ID - 7,357 ft
MT - 7,212 ft
NV - 6,919 ft
AZ - 4,475 ft

By # peaks above 6k ft (1829m) with 300 ft prominence
NV - 5,201
ID - 4,483
MT - 4,438
CO - 4,332
UT - 3,559
WY - 2,923
NM - 2,603
AZ - 1,889

Wettest mountains (at least 35-40" + precipitation, 40%+ falling as rain in warm seasons)
AZ
NM
UT
ID

Every state is at least 30-40% + mountainous or hilly terrain (1k ft + change in 10 NM), every state is over 50% except for CO, WY, NM and MT.

>>2775752
Several more stats.

Numbers of peaks above 5k ft (1500m) with at least 300 ft (91m) of prominence

NV - 6,216
MT - 5,317
ID - 5,165
CO - 4,378
UT - 4,289
AZ - 3,216
NM - 3,143
WY - 3,086

Commonly listed state average elevation

CO - ~6,800 ft
WY - ~6,700 ft
UT - ~6,100 ft
NM - ~5,700 ft
NV - ~5,500 ft
ID - ~5,000 ft
AZ - ~4,100 ft
MT - ~3,400 ft

State elevation spans (difference between highest and lowest points, every state is over 3000m difference).

NV - 12,668 ft
AZ - 12,567 ft
ID - 11,958 ft
UT - 11,338 ft
CO - 11,123 ft
MT - 11,007 ft
WY - 10,709 ft
NM - 10,325 ft

Less important to mountaineering but more important to climate and unique geography. The 3 most forested mountain states below 6,000 ft elevation with the most unusual or unexpected climates/terrain features are;

Arizona (hot desert, cold desert, cool/warm wet tall dense forest 30"+ precipitation, interior chaparal at similar or greater density than coastal CA w/15-25" precipitation, and snowy forest 80"+ snowfall, all found at 5,000-5,999 ft elv)

Idaho (hot dry grasslands at the same elv and vicinity as forests)

Montana (unexpectedly hot dry plains 100F+ in summer, extremely cold plains in winter which is expected, forests in the same vicinity and elv as hot dry grasslands same as ID possibly partially a relic of younger dryas mega floods changing soils and sediments in areas also possibly terrain microclimates)

>>2775752
>>2775809
Thank you for the thorough infodump. Are you the same guy that lives in Arizona from the Euro-bashing thread?

>>2773932
That's basically all Wyoming has. The rest of the state is flat, boring, and windblown.

>>2775910
>Euro-bashing thread
You have to be more specific. There are several different Euro-bashing threads. /out/ is a fundamentally anti-Euro board by nature.

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>>2775910
Yeah. I'm many posters here going back 10+ years, I simply have many interests and experiences and a very large amount of information on many subjects. Sharing knowledge here and there in hopes of helping people open their minds and learning new things myself. It's not good to spend too much time here however, so I leave the site for half a year often. I have nothing against Euros either, IMO it is ignorance that leads to people going out of balance with themselves and their environments (such as monetizing/corporatizing the destruction of beautiful and diverse natural environments). People should start looking at all things more holistically, and I think expanding your knowledge and understanding is a part of that.

>>2775752
Adding to this.

Number of class 5 summits (only reachable by technical rock climbing):
UT- 820
CO -493
AZ - 278
WY -130
NM- 71
ID -59
NV- 15
MT -13

Having been to and summited several mountains in every single one:

Wyoming: Tetons are UNREAL in how tall and sharp they are. Grand Teton was a great climb. Winds are wild, Gannett was a slog. Snow is quite dry. Haven't been to the other ranges or the Bighorns but they are not popular at all. Rock is good and really has that alpine feel.

Colorado: Mountains aren't quite as big (base to peak) but has awesome variety and really good access. MTB is great. Climbing is great. Skiing, both skimo and downhill, is only possibly outshined by UT. Tons of desert to alpine environments and several national parks, with a significant amount of wilderness too once you leave the front range.

Montana: Feels really alpine in terms of timber country. Summer days last forever. Depends on the range though, has a lot more of the European valley feel with all the crisscrossing ranges. More "mountain" isolation than the southern states.

Nevada: Sleeper. Mountains rise massively from the desert floor and seem to be much taller than their counterparts. Huge temperature swings but the desert winds carves the stone in a different way. Great Basin has some very cool stuff.

Utah: Nevada but better. Unitas are dreamy alpine. Wasatch offer perhaps the best snow in the world and crazy good access. 5 national parks with desert mountains and spires and arches and monadnocks galore. As well, caves everywhere.

Idaho: Mountains are shorter but the Frank is the largest piece of wilderness in the lower 48. I love Idaho. No national parks which helps its case. If you come to Idaho to go to the Frank, you'll be doing it alone. The best in terms of rafting and hunting out of the mountain states.

>>2774066
The left cant meme

captcha: HAH4S

>>2776123
continued:

New Mexico: Sleeper. Isolation in Gila NF. Sangre de Christo fufil all Colorado alpine needs. Jemez makes you feel alone. Sierra Blanca is HUGE. Organ Needles are great rock and just rise from the desert. Huge monadnocks like shiprock.

Arizona: Surprising amount of diversity but lacks a lot of sharp peaks that the other states do.

My overall ranking in terms of the western states for just their mountains:

WY > CO > UT > NM > MT > ID > NV > AZ

>>2774066
Keep my state's name out of your mouth, cityboi.

>>2776119
That sounds reasonable. I really need to get the hell off this site myself. Did you learn all of this like a hobby or do you take more of a professional approach? A mix of both?

>>2776295
>I really need to get the hell off this site myself
Go outside. It's really that simple.

>>2776299
I do, just not as often as I would like. I don't really have people to talk with irl so I end up here because I least I share common interests with you all

>>2773566
Glacier NP

>>2776312
>just not as often as I would like
Why not anon

>>2776336
I work a lot :c
All my PTO went to doctor's visits and recovery and it's hard to take time off until next year. I stop by a pond and hang out with the ducks in the AM while out for a walk before I go to work. Weekends I try and drive out to wildlife reserves if I can. I just had eye surgery and the recovery takes forever so I have to take it easy and not /out/ too hard

>>2776133
Gila NF is amazing

>>2773566
no need to choose. if you're only going to one, you're a dork.

Americlapistani "mountains" simply do not compare to mountains in countries anyone besides a lobotomy patient would care about

>>2776500
You're trying too hard.

>>2776500
based. anything that isnt in greater hindustan isnt real mountains

>>2776133
delete this

>>2774226
>what goes through their minds.
found your problem right there.

>>2774066
You have it easy. Utah is going to become a toxic wasteland because transplants are draining the gsl and exposing untold amounts of neurotoxic dust to the air

>>2774066
The only real pronounciation is bwah-sea so being a shit head about that is almost as gay as caring about sports allegiances lmao

>>2774031
I lived in Idaho for about half a year. Loved it, wish I could have stuck around

>>2776135
>there was no response
Fucking K E K

>>2774066
I've done a detailed analysis of Idaho's climate and terrain based on my preferences and it's inferior to Montana and Colorado in this regard. But better than Utah etc. because I don't like desert. You aren't my first choice so calm down with the ego dood.

>>2773566
Colorado, Montana and some parts of Idaho

>>2776133
You have Montana too low here

>>2776912
Montana is an overall better /out/ state than most of these but when specifically talking about the mountains, the other states have it beat in diversity, especially WY. There is nothing that the MT peaks have that WY doesn't. And I personally prefer deserts to alpine vs. just alpine

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>>2773566
CA, WA, AK and SD. Your list sucks.

>>2774226
Low IQ = no self awareness

>>2777799
>the other states have it beat in diversity, especially WY.
can you explain more? Other than the alpine climbing of the tetons, what do the WY mts have the MT do not? just curious.

>>2774066
>" i moved here to be just like you"
They say dumb shit like this then proceed to start tweaking things they dont like which attracts more of their lot and then they tweak others things and so on and so forth, until you end up like New York
Slippery slope

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>>2775739
Eastern wild places are surprisingly much less crowded than the Western ones despite the higher population density, because Westerners are all outdoors maniacs who go /out/ every chance they get, while rural Easterners are all lazy lardasses whose only outdoor priority is huffing & puffing half a mile to a deer stand for a few days in the fall. Downside is, it can be really tough to find a place along the forest backroads to camp when nobody does it! Locals can get awfully curious about your presence in their backyard as well, while out West nobody will even give you a second glance.

>>2778295
Which do you prefer?

>>2777954
The Wind Rivers

>>2773876
Close enough

Utah can f off though

>>2777799
Agree somewhat

Plant life in those desert states look really cool, though I might still choose a state like Montana for its sky views and mountains/forest

>>2778345
Why do you like desert?

>>2777954
That's... it really. They are just a lot larger in terms of rise from the valley floors. Most of MT is 5k rise while the high parts of WY are 6 or even 7k rise from the valley. It is close between the two if I'm being honest. The NW corner of WY and the S part of MT are really similar and both amazing. But the Winds and Bighorns are phenomenal, and the Tetons are out of this world (being the youngest part of the Rockies.) MT, outside of Glacier, doesn't have the mountains to compare in the same way.

I'm viewing this pretty wholistically, and I have a big bias towards deserts and diversity within geology, climate, as well as available outdoor recreation.

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>>2778676
>MT, outside of Glacier, doesn't have the mountains to compare in the same way.
The bitteroots? the Crazies? the Pintlers? The Missions? I dunno...some incredible mt ranges in mt.

But you like diversity and MT has some incredible mts.

Utah because the capital city is literally right next to the wasatch range. It’s the only real mountain city in the country and the entire salt lake valley has stunning views all around

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>>2778900
>It’s the only real mountain city in the country
Denver?

>>2778900
>Denver
>Albuquerque
>Sante fe
>Reno
>Fort Collins
>Colorado Springs
>Flagstaff

>>2778929
>>2778983
Wrong. They are near mountains, sure. Not like Salt Lake City though. In reality SLC looks the way people expect Denver to look, but in Denver you always feel like you’re really far from the mountains and they’re hardly visible compared to SLC

>>2778929
you realize that is a picture of SLC right? Denver is far as shit from the kind of mountains you can see from all over SLC

you guys gotta stop giving the whole world this info
Everyone needs to think they should move to LA, NY, Chicago, Texas and Florida. The mountain west sucks, don't come.

>>2779001
newfags gonna new

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>>2778900
>It’s the only real mountain city in the country
You're forgetting about the appalachians

>>2779090
The cats already out the bag. I grew up in Utah and playing xbox live got made fun of for living there.. huehue are you mormon hahaha? Now it's growing exponentially. Just be glad most blacks are keeping out of the woods for now.

>>2778900
SLC is in the valley retard. Park City is in the mountains.

California

>>2773568
The Wind River is a desert.

>>2779218
>east coast
>mountains
Lol
Lmao even

>>2779244
Their highest elevation point is 6k ft kek.

>>2779000
in Albuquerque the city runs right up into the Sandias and Manzanos

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>>2773566
I've only ever hiked CO, UT, and Nuevo

They were all fine. Each one is different.

I live in the mountains. I live in Leadville at 10k plus feet surrounded by 14'ers and 13'ers in every direction.

it's not a competition, and the mountains aren't all exactly the same in every part of every state. The Henry's in UT are different from the Uintas and the Wasatch, but they're all good mountains. There's no "best." They're all amazing.

what I love most about my mountains is all the mining history. Old cabins and mines everywhere. Gold and silver and good crystals all over. But every state has some great stuff.

>>2773863
I like Montana, but the actual climbing is not good compared to e.g. Utah or California. Lots of talus slopes, scrambles up shitty crumbling rock, and approaches that are just long bushwhacks.

>>2773876
Colorado > Alaska > Wyoming > Whatever, except for a few volcanic peaks in the cascades.

>>2778295
In my long experience, rural Easterners (that is anyone east of the Mississippi from the exurbs on) consider getting outdoors pretty much as one does from a touring car, taking back roads for for fun. I love doing that, but it hardly compares to hiking up Longs Peak, whatever one's standard is when it comes to parks or wilderness areas.

>>2778295
>Eastern wild places are surprisingly much less crowded than the Western ones
i need a citation on this.

>>2779926
Colorado has no glaciers so the mountains all look dry and gross.

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>>2779926
>except for a few volcanic peaks in the cascades.
so Washington, Oregon, and Cali. LMAO

>>2779867
The issue with so many former mines is water contamination by arsenic, lead and other heavy metals. They are all over the place. And only one portable water filter removes them - First Need Elite.

>>2780011
Is this an ad?

>>2777799
Wyoming is too windy

>>2774031
Idaho is a shittier and even more boring version of Utah, no thanks.

>>2776119
>large amount of information on many subjects
so do many people but fortunately they don't feel the need to let everyone know. nobody wants to look through all your stats. pro tip: get to the fucking point

>>2779090
This. But it is already too late.

>>2773566
My vote is for Wyoming's Great Tits

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>>2780066
The point was in the stats. Objectively each mountain state has its own strong points in some areas and its own weak points. And subjectively every individual is free to choose what they value more. My personal preference is AZ, ID, and MT. No one expects to drive through 200 miles of sub-alpine mixed conifer forest in Arizona or to find locations that are naturally snowier than the Austrian alps or to find areas with more then 35 inches of annual precipitation similar to some midwestern locations there, because the stereotype is that the entire region is nothing but desert devoid of forest and water.

>>2778680
shhhh. there are no mts in montana. the beavers ate them before they logged all the beaver

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>>2780430
And before someone questions it. Here's the actual 200-300 mile drive entirely through forest, woodlands, savanna, or subalpine plains in AZ. Lowest elevation on the unpaved route (1-way 284 mi/457 km) is about 5,900 ft (1800m) ASL, highest is about 9,300 ft (2800m). Lowest on the paved route (1-way 297mi/478km) is about 4,600 ft (1400m). As the crow flies it is about 200 miles (322km) exactly between the two selected points.

>>2774031
came for the lulz came from the twins

>>2774031
cute and funny video

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>>2780328

Probably the Alps.

>>2773566
British Columbia

>>2780328
Been there. It's nice. But I've seen better.

>>2773566
Texas

>>2779926
Colorado is the most overrated state in the US

>>2782532
explain

Montana east of Glacier is so fucking depressing. So is southern Idaho

>>2782693
lol

Easily Northern Idaho. Top tier mountains.

>>2782677
There's some pretty stuff, but it's mostly in the NW corner/North side. The south side is a miserable fuckhole that's just Oklahoma/NM 0.5. Anything lower than like 10k feet is just sagebrush and pine, and less in a comfy cowboy way but more in a shitty high desert way. The mountains are really pretty though and there's some good alpine scenery. I liked the Decalibron loop.

>>2782693
West MT kicks ass gut yeah the rest is shit. Same for ID.

>>2782706
What about Mt Blanca and the Spanish Peaks? I thought they were nice in Colorado and they are in the SE right?

>>2782706
>the rest is shit
lol. you bet. nothing to see here

>>2782713
>t. native

>>2773566
All I know is that New Mexico, Arizona, and Colorado are fucking shit tier.
Wyoming is nice. Montana is full of meth heads.

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>>2782718
>me too
you're still wrong

>>2782723
It's still mostly shit compared to the western part of Montana. Congrats on living near one of the oasis spots in eastern. The majority of eastern is dogshit and you know it.

>>2782724
>eastern
Are you saying Colorado is in east?

>>2782736
I'm talking about Montana alone, what are you on about?

>>2782739
ah okay

>>2782739
wait.. that doesn't sound like how a Montana native talks. Nigel?

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>>2782724
>dogshit and you know it.
I dont know it. I mean, its flatter and drier for sure but there is still a lot of public land with some very cool stuff. National monuments, wildlife refuges etc..The missouri breaks are fun as hell with some of the best elk hunting in the country. There are several island mt ranges in central mt that are fun as hell like the little belts, bear paw and little rockies or even the pryors in the south. A lot rivers likes the little big horn, tongue, powder that provide a lot of rec...and the Yellowstone flows all the way to ND. Great speed goat and upland bird hunting too. It aint granite peaks and lush alpine valleys but it aint dog shit. And with a population density of 2.9 people per sq mile, it has a lot less retards and cod from the east in their RVs.

>>2782706
The San Juans are literally the Swiss Alps of the US, and their area is also larger than all of Switzerland.

>>2782970
post some pics

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>>2782973
From wikimedia commons. And pics don't do them justice. The maximum extent of the San Juans by any geographic definition is about 18,500 sq miles (47.9k sq km), the minimum extent is about 13,000 sq miles (33.67k sq km), the average is about 15-16k sq mi (about the size of Switzerland). SW CO is also the most climatically and biologically diverse region in all of CO (sub 9" annual precipitation desert climates within eyeshot of areas that receive 450" of average winter snowfall).

>>2782979
that is very beautiful
and yes Colorado has one of the most interesting topographies and ecologies of any area of the country for sure

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>>2782970
>Swiss Alps of the US
>no glaciers
eh I dunno

>>2782979
If I visit in summer will it be this cool or will it be lame?

>>2782988
The lower 48 US makes up that for by having literally the snowiest locations on Earth that get snow any month of the year. And there used to be massive glaciers less than 12,000 years ago even in AZ and NM but especially the CO Rockies (one of the hypotheses for the canyonlands in UT and GC in AZ is massive glacier meltwater pulses and inland seas from Canada and mountain glaciers during the YD events, ie the formation are possibly not millions of years old but only thousands). The US is also 2nd or 3rd for having the highest elevation nearly continuous landmass, with the mountain states having no less than about 150,000 sq miles (about the size of Sweden's land area) above 1800m elevation.

>>2783000
man I love it here

>>2782988
The picture you posted is in neither the Swiss Alps or the US.

That is the Athabasca Glacier in the Canadian Rockies.

>>2783000
The Swiss Alps are objectively better than any mountain range in the lower 48.

Alaska mogs them though.

>>2783044
>objectively
there we go with that word again

>>2783000
Yeah but still no glaciers

>>2783043
Shit you're right
I just googled "schweiz gletschers" and found an article about swiss glaciers with that used that image so I assumed that, you know, it was a picture of a Swiss glacier
Fucking journ*lists I swear

>>2783103
muh big chunk of ice!

>>2783044
>better than any mountain range in the lower 48.
Why? based on what criteria?

>>2783103
Montana and Washington state have glaciers

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>>2783152
Yes.

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>>2783103
>still no glaciers
Montana has 60 glaciers, WA has ~180, OR has 35, CO has 16, CA has 20 and WY has 37 glaciers

>>2783171
okay based
>>2783174
giga based

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>>2783103
>>2783152
>>2783158
WA definitely has glaciers

>>2773569
full of assholes who think they have tall mountains but they all start hiking at 10k so it doesn't count

>>2778413
Not the guy, but Deserts have better sunsets and sunrises, as well as a larger pasture of colors. They also tend to have sand formations that are unique to the area, and if you go high enough you get the alpine again. It comes down to outdoor diversity. Also, I love dry climates.

>>2778680
Don't disagree at all. Absolutely love MT but what I like about mountains (massive uplift, steep cliffs, huge areas above treelines). is not as prevelant in Montana as it is in Wyoming.

>>2773566
Nevada, but only if you know where to go.

>>2783239
fucking retard

>>2783239
like where?

>>2783246
Just west of Reno is a good spot. North of LV.
Another great spot is way south of reno along the Cali border, you can get deep into the sierra mountains and they are comfy as fuck
Best part is almost all of it is BLM land so you can kinda do what ever the fuck you want as long as you are not starting fires or cooking meth.

>>2783248
thanks anon

>>2773566
Utah has the worst mountains, canyons and everything else. I can't wait to get out of this shit state. Arizona on the otherhand, is fantastic