Fall is here, and with that, wool weather. Post your recent scores.Topics include:>alpaca>bison>merino>cashmere >tartans>waterproof Irish sweaters>anoraks>touques and hats>pants>budget-score 100% wool work socks>blankets>army surplus finds>washing and care>dyeing and embellishing >darning and patching>DIY projectsScratchfags must lurk for 2 years before posting.
>>2773999i havent bought any new wool in years because ive been wearing the same stuff i bought back when i first starting going /out/ . but yeah at this point its all wool all the time, base layers, mid layers and outer layers. in summer its great because it breathes and doesnt smell. in winter its great because it keeps me warm even when its damp. its a miracle fabric truly
>>2773999recently got a wool denim chore coat (weatherwool)yeah really damn pricey but i haven't encountered any wool as comfy as theirs (i have pendletons and filsons, a woolrich in there somewhere too), and never knew that denim can come in wool for that matter
>>2773999Based
Just ordered some korean war surplus wool pants,if I like em I'll get the og 108 shirt aswell
>>2773999will wool trousers keep me warm after i walk through puddles with them?
>>2774366If you have decent footwear and socks, yes. Wool stays functional even if it's wet.
>>2773999checking the tripsWhich is more larpy: a poncho or a cloak?
my mum knitted me a green wool sweater, it is probably the best piece of clothing i wear.
>>2774366How deep a puddle are we talking?Wool sheds water (to some degree) and retains insulation more so than cotton when it gets slightly wet. It won't help you if it's soaked through. Wool is not neoprene.
Anyone know of other stuff like varustelekas woolshell line? Their stuff is too tacticool for what I'm looking for I just want a modernish wool coat that preferably drops down to mid thigh
>>2774554BigBillhttps://www.bigbill.com/ca_en/casual-wool-jacket-jktmerFred Asbellhttps://asbellwool.com/t/jackets
>>2774554I have some german companies for youhttps://hedlund-clothing.de/loden-kleidung/lodenjacke-herren/hedlund-lodenjacke-grenland-prohttps://www.loden-friedl.de/Jackenhttps://www.jagdfieber.com/Classic-Style/Classic-Jagdbekleidung/Lodenjacke-Field-Coat-Paul-Kloosterhuis-48.htmlAnd a swedish onehttps://micklagaard.com/collections/jackets-1
>>2774553I've completely filled my boot with ice water during a moderately cold winter hike while wearing wool socks + wool boot linings and I managed to hike another hour without too much discomfort. As long as you keep moving your body heat will warm the sock/trousers and the wool will still do an ok job at insulating you from the cold. It's uncomfortable but you won't lose toes like you will with cotton.
>>2774718>>2774741Thanks bros this is something to go off of even if I can't be bothered to figure out how to import from a euro retailer
howdy do fellow woollies
watched silence of the lambs again last night, first time i noticed clarice wearing a pretty nice looking green wool coat, looks like they brought it back for the clarice show that's currently goin on
Was very happy when I learned that my people marched with kilts and pipes. Always admired the kilts and pipes, then I grew older and learned about my ancestors from the old country.
>>2775069That's a duffle coatAnother bargain from a bygone era. Gloverall is the most well known brand but you can find others on ebay for a cheap price. Those are a good find.
>>2775069>the clarice show that's currently goin onOh for fucks sakes
>>2775176based.The kilt traditionally had the cross-purpose as a blanket to sleep outside under.
friendlty reminder that people mostly don;t wear whoooool because it is expensive, heavy, scratchy, and very uncomfortable to wear
>>2775226Yes, it is indeed mostly poor, weak, thin-skinned people that shirk wool.
>>2775223That's stupid because you'd be on the cold ground naked.
>>2775217yeah that's what i thought too lol
>>2775226synthlet/cottonlet detected lmao
>>2775176I'm sorry, anon. You're people were dispossessed of their land and forced to become kelp farmers and shit while their lords replaced them with the sheep they fleeced to sell middle class angelos troon skirts to LARP as the very people (your ancestors) whom they kicked out. The "clan tartan" thing is also bullshit, made up by some master larpers and corroborated by the greedy mills. >>2775223Also bullshit. They "allowed" you to wear the skirt if you joined the army. It's a humiliation ritual. >>2775241This guy gets it. Also, if you're 6 foot tall, the "great kilt" doesn't work. Anyone you see doing the all purpose garment thing is a manlet. The mills make the cloth 5 feet wide at the most, usually smaller. An actual man would need at least 66", and that's pushing it. Just buy your society approved troon suit, but don't pretend it's anything less than heavily sublimated autogynephilia. >I'm not gay! I'm still cis! I'm celebrating my heritage!
>>2775335thought provoking post desu
>>2775337I've given this a lot of thought. I still hadn't actually bought a wool kilt (since the shitty one I got at a ren fair in the 90's) I've bought 2 pv kilts and a utilikilt. I have no illusions why I'm doing it. It's for attention and to put my wife in the mood to peg me (we have conveniently dovetailing gender role issues.)It's also more comfortable on long drives if you go "regimental" , but that's really an afterthought. As for wool, I have found that wool blend socks reduce for pain and are more comfortable than cotton. The down side is they shrink, even if you hang them to dry. Knit wool caps are very comfortable and not as bad in hot weather as you might think, but not preferable in summer. A practical tip: it's get easier to wear shorts and knee high wool socks on a cold morning and change your socks when it gets hot than to change pants to shorts. While I do this for practical reasons on appropriate days, I have noticed younger women initiating conversation and smiling at me. I can't say for sure if they are turned on by it as I'm not about to fuck up my job and my marriage to find out, but I like the attention and that's good enough. I really want to wear the wool kilt socks unfolded as thigh highs, but I think that's pushing it. I wasn't kidding about the autogynephilia. It's a line I won't cross though. At least not at work, not yet. Also, fuck clan tartans. Look at the House of Edgar hebridean and 1783 tartans. They are designed for aesthetics over bullshit tradition.
>>2775335>>2775341>AutogynephiliaThe only reason most of this stuff has been accumulated under the female banner is because the craftsmen and later industries view them as having greater access to disposable income coupled with more frivolous spending habits, they are a convenient way to dispose of market surplus while still letting them fully exploit the male market that would ordinarily pay less due to lower demand compared to supply. Effectively all the fashion industry needs to do is call things gay and the insecure men are forced to spend more to acquire things from the reduced pool of things that aren't gay. Wear whatever you want as long as it's decently fitted, works for you and doesn't try too hard to fit into marketing memes like pretending to a woman in order to enjoy "female" things.
>>2775438Then why am I aroused?
>>2775482You watch too much porn and should stop before it gets worse
wool blanket, no pajamas gang report in.
>>2773999On this week my fiancee finished my wool beanie. It is double layer, thick and very warm. Looking forward to winter and colder weather. I also bought myself Austrian shooting mittens to be used with the Finnish army M/91 leather mittens. Pic also contains the wool neck warmer that she knit me about a year ago. Next, I'll have to try get her to knit me a wool shirt, but it might be too large of a project.
>>2775068Kek it's the wooly head shrinker again.
>>2775622I wish I had someone that knit for me. By the way, if your girlfriend is interested there are machines on the market that can knit tubes quite rapidly, so hats and socks. Plastic ones seem fairly priced.
>>2775241Different considerations for different conditions.You produce less heat and your blood flow is slower when you are lying down and sleeping, so you're more concerned with trapping heat and not wearing constrictive clothing than you are with wearing something that won't get in the way and which can be adjusted to fit your activity level. In that regard a blanket is a good configuration because it is loose and can create an air pocket that your body heat can warm up.
>>2775521If you were paying attention, I mentioned getting a shitty kilt from a ren fair in the 90's. This predates "too much porn." I don't like porn. It's fake. I legit get turned on by the idea of wearing thigh highs. No videos required.Anyway, this reply was off topic. Getting back on topic, if you've ever wondered what you get when you order a wool jacket from one of those paki sites, I can let you know. I met a guy in person who was connected with one of these paki tailors. He took my measurements and I ordered a jacket through him. Pic related is the result. I got a refund at least.
>>2775241Greatkilts are a metric fuckton of fabric that you can wrap all around you, it's not just a blanket.
>wool hat>wool top and bottom base layers>wool lined pants in winter>wool socks>wool fingerless gloves>wool scarfwhat else do I need?
>>2775965Depends on what you're doing. A jumper or cardigan would be nice if you don't mind the weight and bulk.
>>2775830Sorry man. A sexual stimuli somewhere in modern media imprinted on you during a critical period and is non expungeable. Repeated iteration of this abuse will result in worsening symptoms. Happy for you that you've made it work but you are walking a tightrope.
Isnt this more of a /fa/ topic?
>>2776103No.
>>2776103wearing the right clothing can be a matter of life or death /out/side. Might as well also look great when your out there.
>>2776103no
>>2776038How much money is that liberal arts degree making you?
>>2777082Lol dude the imprinting phase in male sexual maturation is well attested. You must be pretty pornbrained to get butthurt over a post like that
>>2773999HAHAHA LOOK AT THAT FAGGOT WEARING A MINISKIRT
>>2773999What does he keep inside it?Also, I'd love to take a look at the dagger he's got in his sock.
>>2777459johnnies and/or pure, uncut colombian marching powder
>>2777459He released a picture on insta a few years ago
Bought recently polish army surplus officer sweater. 90% wool. Very warm and comfy, but sleeves are a little too long.
>>2777399So, unemployed?
>>2777627Nice score, Anon. The sleeves are meant to be folded or rolled, and made long, I think.
>>2777556kek?
>>2773999Can anyone recommend a good pullover/sweater maker? I love been browsing the aran wool Irish website at they seem legit but JC if anyone has gotten from them before and if they liked it?
>>2781335Their socks are good so their jumpers are probably also good. Literally wearing their socks rn as I post this.
>>2781335>Aran wool website I'm finding this shit cheaper other places, at least the hats.
>>2781335They are great. Order a size down from your usual shirt size or they may be too baggy to comfortably wear backpack over.
>>2776209>has a shart in his sleeping sock>wool literally never the same after properly washing>now he has a shitty lumpy uneven wool chud sockWool fucking sucks lmao.Make that shit washable like my t-shirts and we'll talk.
>>2781692>He doesn't know how to wash woolLook at himLook at him and laugh
Nice haul there
>>2781825NTA How do you wash wool?
>>2783713Washing machine (front loader, not those ridiculous top loaders), wool cycle, low temperature. For heavy soiling, use gentle hand washing at the affected places.
>>2783714Only got a top loader.
Recs for button down wool shirts? Plaid or checked, preferably.
>>2783761EU or US?
>>2783763Leafland.
>>2774718>>2774741Does anyone know good retailers for merino underlaters? Merino.tech seems cheaper than smartwool and others but I don't know if they are the cheapest and also curious about quality/dollar ratio.
>>2783842Taigahttps://www.taigaworks.com/collections/merino-wool-underwear
>>2783761Good luck finding one, though I think north America still has some manifacturers. If you can cope with zippers and oversized cut, I recommend Swanndri.
>>2775068Why did you photoshop their heads to be bigger?
bump
>>2783761Pendleton. I'd buy something cheaper and with kess brand recognition if I could find anything but Pendleton is the only one I know making what I want.
Decided fuck it and spend $560 on this jacket from Micklagård
>>2775746>I wish I had someone that knit for meNothing stopping you fro knitting for yourself.
>>2786192>PendletonThanks, Anon.
>>2774325>korean warAbout 10-15 years ago I found a bunch of army overcoats going for about 25 bucks at a milsurp store in NJ. Might be even older though, I just looked up pics and the Korea ones look like they're not entirely made of wool. This one looks like pic related and the description of the pic says WW2.
>>2773999What are some good military surplus options for wool? Specifically sweaters.Some options look comfy but I want to make sure its a good thickness. I saw the U.S. 5-button pullover in person and it seemed really thin and light.Pic is French
>>2786613The best one I ever got was sourced from the London Met Police.
>>2786613Milsurp market is dead, anon. Bought out, done and gone. Anything you think is milsurp now is just cheap production crap marketed to look like milsurp.
>>2786631wrong
>>2786631>Milsurp market is dead, anon.No it's not. You can get brand new 100% wool sweaters for less than $40. And for everything else milsurp there is still a ton. Milsurp shops pop up online all the time. It's a better market now than 20 years ago imo. You get high quality shit these days with more options for brand new stuff that will actually last (waterproof rain coats as an example).Milsurp firearms are dead, tho.
>>2786681>100% wool sweaters for less than $40Mmmmh... link? :-)
Anybody try waterproofing their wool? How do you do it? Beeswax dissolved in turpentine painted on? Boiled linseed oil? Soak in lanolin? I don't want dwr or other harsh chemicals. I got a tight weave mulsurp jacket and after having washed it I definitely don't want to wear it as is in the rain. Weighs like 20 lbs wet. >>2786613you want a wooly pullybongs know what's up
>>2786192>we only ship within the USA
>>2773999Prince Charles having a cheeky squeeze of Dianna's supple commoner arse, I see. And while standing right next to his sister, that's saucy.
>>2786850Wait, it's his son William with the commoner wife. None of this even matters - fuck the royalty - excuse my Britishness.
>>2775341any recs on wool knee highs? Been looking for a pair for a while out in the wild with no luck, kinda ready to fold and just buy them online.>>2777627nice score, been hoping to pick one of these up for a while now.
>>2787125I got these. They're for the inside pair. I wear 2 pairs of socks. They're actually on the tin side. They look pretty good of you're into that sort of thing, but they are too thin for cold weather, even as an inner sock. They are definitely too thin as a stand alone sock for anything but fashion. There's a set of argyle and military and I'm thinking of ordering some of those. It might take weeks, but this thread is so slow I might actually get back to you.
I got this wool cap from a local vender recently. It's been keeping me warm this fall/winter. its also fairly good in the rain here in the PNW keeps me warm even when mildly wet and drys easily.
>>2783761I Like these. spendy but awesomehttps://www.duckworthco.com/products/mens-sawtooth-shirt
>>2773999Going on a hike with some friends soon. Planning what to wear. It's a dry, hot summer here (Australia). I have a thermal, long sleeved, merino baselayer top from Aldi. I'm not sure of the GSM, but it's "Crane Performance". That's about all it says.Anyway, my question is about the SPF. Do you think it'll be good enough to just wear on the hike for sun protection? As in nothing else but the wool t-shirt as my shirt. It's very fucking thin, so my guess is that's it's at most 150gsm. Apologies for not giving much more information, this is basically all I know about it
Not strictly /out/ but I have just attained some Harris Tweed trousers. They will do me well as winter approaches Snowdonia
>>2786613This anon >>2786839 is absolutely bang on. All you need is a wooly pully. Still the greatest and cheapest wool milsurp garment on the market. That being said, if it weren't for the £70+ price tag, I would be super tempted by the Austrian equivalent (picrel)
>>2786192This. There are prestine second hand Pendletons on eBay or other second hands online stores everywhere. Just make sure you ask for measurement. Many sell their shrunk shirts once they accidentally wash them. Only buy the ones with tags that say made in US (pre 90s) or Mexico (contemporary). If they are made anywhere else they are always cotton and not wool, and worthless. Pendleton makes their non wool garments in South East Asia. If you dont mind spending on a new one thats cool, but why would you? EBay is full with them. They have a slightly over sized cut which is nice too imo. The ones made in USA (vintage) sometimes have slightly shorter sleeves than the modern shirts, but its not too noticable. On the flip side the old shirts have a softer wool, since its less treated, which makes it worth keeping an.eye out for an old made in USA shirt.See here on recognizing the labels: https://stridewise.com/vintage-pendleton-flannel/
>>2773999>DIYI repaired a nice sweater that was given to me as a gift. It developed a hole, not sure if I snagged it or it was a bad stitch, but I darned it as best I could.Happy days.
Thoughts on duffle coats?
>>2792778They look great if you're in shape. If you've got a belly, avoid.
>>2791717>if it weren't for the £70+ price tagIt seems if you want anything thicker than issue woollies prices seldom get lower than that, let alone for Euro products. Just got a merino cardigan for 112 eurodollars plus shipping for daily use.
>>2786192+1 for PendletonI have wool shirts from 8 years ago that still look immaculateHonestly have no idea how they make these things
>>2792779Do you own one? Or have a recommendation? I am looking at eBay at the moment, but not sure on the sizes. I want a wide and long fitting, potato sack fit. Like the OG royal navy types.
Take a look herehttps://www.originalmontgomery.com/The trad ones are best
>>2793010>premium, recycled Italian wool mix (70% Wool & 30% Polyester)How very trad.
>>2793017Yea, gloverall makes the "original monty" coat which is 90% wool, and has 3 strings. Comes in at a premium price, but most other models I find are either 70 or 80 percent wool. This includes stuff I find on eBay. Seems they all started blending in plastic in the 70s onwards. This Gloverall model however looks like a nice coat, even has the traditional leg loops inside which meant to stop it from flapping in the wind. The length is also nice and long.
>>2793050Link: https://eu.gloverall.com/products/gloverall-original-monty-duffle-coat-camel>leg loopsMaybe not. Dont quote me. That one image looks like it could be, but the description doesn't mention it.
>>2793017How would you rate an 80 percent wool content? Do they fuse the poly into the wool? Is it only the lining made that's poly? Is the wool biodegradable or recyclable at this ratio?
>>2793176>How would you rate an 80 percent wool content?10% better>Do they fuse the poly into the wool?I think it's just a co-spun yarn. Superwash wool has a synthetic film fused directly onto the wool, but I've never heard of that being done with polyester.>Is it only the lining made that's poly?If it was they'd mention it. I think both the outer and the lining are this recycled wool blend. Might even be a double-face fabric.>Is the wool biodegradable or recyclable at this ratio?The poly content is obviously not biodegradable, but there's no reason it would stop the wool part from composting. And yes, it's recyclable. Wool gets worse every time it's recycled though - the strands get shorter, stick out, make it itchy, reduce durability, the whole deal. It is reflected in the price of course - I can't compare dollar prices, but it's 200€ on sale in europe, which is frankly half of what an equivalent coat in high quality virgin wool would cost. Like this one from Armor lux for example.https://www.armorlux.com/en/duffle-coat-armor-lux-duffle-coat-quimper-wool-687900.html?nosto_source=cmp&nosto=1323148884
Alpaca is not very durable.That is all.
>>2774547Grandma made me a wool sweater I could use for /out/doors for my birthday.
>>2793222wow that is legitimately nice. my mom said she would make me a fair isle yoke sweater but i feel shy to ask for it, it seems like so much effort!
>>2793222That is a super nice sweater, Anon. You should keep it as an indoors/nice occasion sweater.
>>2793186How do they seperate the poly and wool in the recycling process if they are spun together or if the wool is coated?
>>2793310They don't. You can often find fabrics with seemingly random percentages and an "other fibres" content. That's when they recycle mixed or blended fabrics. Superwash coated wool isn't even always specified.
>>2790112these are nice.
>>2792804Aye don't get me wrong, it's still cheap for a pure wool jumper. Just wouldn't be my first choice for /out/ when I can get a British army one for 15 of our great British pounds.
>>2793222That is lovely, I have been scouring my local vintage and second hand shops for something in a similar pattern.
I've pretty much wore wool socks for the last two years, but now my shins are all covered in like scars from like idk how to even describe it but i get these small weird raw spots. they also itch a lot the moment I take off the socks. am I like mildly allergic to wool or what is happening? I never really thought about it till now
>>2794659Most likely the construction of the socks, the boots or a combination of those is mechanically damaging your body hair. If you keep wearing them you'll permanently lose the hair in that spot.
>>2773999Crazy how much wool you can get at a decent thrift store. >Patagonia XXL 100% merino wool quarter zip$13 for a sizeable amount of wool. Maybe a few small holes but just get a needle and thread. Shop for the XXL sizes. Nobody usually goes for those and you can just wash and stick them in the dryer for a bit to shrink them to size if you want.>random wool blankets nobody seems to want$8 usually. Got 2 emergency 80% wool blankets for $4ea.Good thing the general public is so clueless about wool. Paying out the ass for some polyester/acrylic garbage. The women's section is full of thick wool coats that nobody wants. Thinking about buying some of those and turning them into wool ponchos or just tailoring them for myself. Its insane what you can get.
How do you stop wool socks from shrinking?
>>2796937Wash them by hand in cold water with a little wool detergent or with a wool program if resilient enough, which they usually are.
>>2796937Most synthetic blend socks are superwash and don't shrink either way. I wash mine in 60°C.
>>2775335Interesting. Very nice. Now post skin color/eye color/nose with timestamp
>>2777644>ntaJust because that's the way you feel, doesn't mean that's the reason people wear kilts. That's an autistic trait.Tl;dr quit projecting, you gay retard
>>2786685Ebay
>>2773999First of all checked and second hello /out/ this is my first post here and I have a question. I recently got into motorcycles and living in Ohio right now it is pretty chilly so I've been gearing up and have everything I need for cold rides except a warm insulated baselayer and have just been using my around the house t-shirts. I heard good things about wool so I'm thinking of getting a long sleeve merino wool shirt off Amazon but just want some other opinions about what I should get to stay warm, it would be an XXL size and preferably the cost would be less than 80$ for a couple quality warm shirts or even just one. Any help would be appreciated.
>>2773999bought a sheepskin coat like this off etsy a few years ago for like 150$US listed as made in Kazakhstan but no tags of any kind to confirm thatthis coat is raw in a way that you just don't find in western countries even at a local market>nothing has been done to thin or soften the hide>the wool hasn't been aggressively sheered just trimmed to similar length of about 3.5 inches of fluff>the leather is blacked but the fur is not bleached or dyed and the different sections of hide have slight differences in the color and hair pattern >all the seams are triple stitched with thick stuff that looks like car seat or carpet thread >slight downside it is like 11lbs so not really ideal for distance hiking but can't be beat for sitting in a blind or drinking with the boys around camp >it was 13F here last winter setting a record and I went for a walk around the neighborhood with just a tshirt under it and no middle layer perfectly warm and even undoing top buttons by the end to keep from overheating all in all I think this coat would outlive me but I love it so much I may be buried in ithighly recommend if you can find one
>>2797294You could get a merino buff/neck warmer, if you don't mind things on your neck.
>>2797303-10? LMFAO those were made for the Soviet navy in the arctic.
>>2797308Is it a full on shirt because I have a neck warmer thing already to keep wind from getting in my helmet.
>>2797294Yeah, just get any merino shirt, should be fine. If you want a "warm" baselayer, consider looking for woolpower 200 shirts (or just generally "wool terry shirts"), they have loops of fabric that make it extra warm.
>>2797350>"wool terry shirts"Stanfields
>>2797324I could actually see that being ok if i had wool socks and pants and long underwear and sweater to go with itI live near seattle and only even need to button this thing for like a week a year
>>2797149>nta>yet somehow triggered anywaykek, how's the student loan payments going? >That's not the only reason people wear kiltsYeah, suddenly people care about what arbitrary western europoor political entity one of their ancestors fucked. Oh, there's just wanting attention and being insufferable, i suppose that's technically a separate reason. >It's more comfortableIt's a complete pain and only good for long car trips. Putting it on, sitting down, all that shit is so annoying. The stupid sporran bouncing when you walk, it never holds things like you want. The fact that scotts never wear them unless they are supposed to and every culture switches to bifurcated garments and never goes back is for a reason. Skirts suck. I am happy for getting into the fetish though because I discovered knee high wool socks and shorts which actually gives the all the benefits of the garment with no downside. Keeps you warm in the morning and you can easily take them down or switch them out when it gets warm without having to change in a room. >Gay retardI've gotten a lot of pussy and high marks for a stupid homo, what's your excuse?
I love the colours of this pattern. Depending on the light or from how far you look at it nay appear either more green, blue or even blackish.
>>2775194Fast forward to today. I found this Gloverall second hand. Cost me less than 40 euros (a used one is usually around 150). Either the seller had no clue of its value or wanted to get rid of it asap. Its the model I mentioned here >>2793051 and even has leg loops! Basically water proof at 90 percent wool and super thick. The wool is practically like loden even though they dont call it that. If you find one in your size go for it, just make sure its not the the 70% wool model ( which is identifiable through 4 toggles rather than 3, and usually has leather strings and no rope closure). Id also avoid the short model.
>>2799004>>2799059LMAO. Are you the lodenposter?
>>2799086nope, whos the lodenposter? Im saying the wool is pressed similar to how loden is.
>>2799004Black Watch tartan is great for anything that isn't supposed to be tartan (like a kilt). It's not bad on a kilt or trews, but its definitely boring and the closest to a default option. Tasteful enough, but for an item that's supposed to be personal and unique, a very boring choice. Despite that, it always looks good on items like overshirts, handkerchiefs, scarfs etc. The lack of a tertiary or quaternary colour probably helps keep it quite dull and toned-down. It's relatively hard to make look tacky, no matter how much gift shops and tourists may try. Which was all a very long way of saying I agree and I think that shirt looks good.
>>2799198Yeah. But I wouldn't consider wearing flannel (patterns) in anything other than a shirt. Too complicated to pull off and nice colors are also hard to find. I will say though, the black watch that Pendleton used to make was much more vibrant and bright than their newer shirts. I used to have a vintage one, but sadly didn't fit me so I sold it. Pic rel is more contemporary and the green appears duller/darker than the previous shirt in the same light.
