>>2788381
>can't do a single thing outdoors without first doing a grueling summit hike

Stop being fat

Tl;dr
Move back to your suburb, pussy.

>>2788381
It's true, the West sucks. Now get out.

>>2788381
Moved to Grand Junction a month ago here to fight OP to the death

> Massive volume of private property. Rich assholes own everything and turn it into private hunting land. Very little public land in reasonable proximity to any place where you can actually get a job.
I grew up in Kentucky all we ever did was trespass in the woods and get shot at and play on trains and shit, Colorado/Utah has WAY LESS private property I feel like I can move freely to a far greater degree here

> Serious public land access issues. Very little parking adjacent to public land, very little of that maintained in winter at all. Roadside parking frequently physically impossible for normal highway vehicles. The few decent parking areas are usually at the foot of incredibly steep mountains, so you basically can't do a single thing outdoors without first doing a grueling summit hike.
You're just a pussy

> Treeless terrain significantly reduces the value of public land. There is nowhere to hide. If you want any privacy you have to hike great distances. In the East by comparison you could stealth camp 100 yards behind Dollar General for years if you wanted to. All those satellite pictures showing population density by streetlight visibility are completely BTFO when you consider that tree cover massively increases the/out/ viability of any given piece of land.
30-50ft tall trees on hills is all the east has, the changing western landscape is superior to this by 100 times and also there are forests available if you want them

> No trees mean no natural resources. No bushcraft material. No campfires. It feels like something vital has been removed from life. Playing with sagebrush and rocks isn't the same.
You have no clue what you're talking about. A child. A baby. A joke. A non-man.

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>>2788386
In New England you have infinite amounts of public woodland and infinite parking. 10000000% better.

>>2788386
You probably grew up in western Kentucky which is all private farmland. The Appalachians are vastly superior to any Western country I've seen so far for /out/ purposes.

>>2788383
I grew up surrounded by pines and moose. Never lived in a suburb.

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>>2788390
Nope. Eastern KY. You don't know shit. Eastern Kentucky is the absolute average for planet Earth. The actual 5 out of 10. It sure beats a lot of places, but anything that is good is better than this. It is the benchmark, really.

The west is 10 leagues above. Not 1 league. 10.

>>2788388
Retarded you are retarded, and weak, you should kys

>>2788392
Eastern Kentucky is full of very accessible public land so you're just retarded. North Carolina was better though. Vermont and Maine are the best in the country.

>>2788394
Ok I will say a bit more. I oived a real legit life in eastern Kentucky. So I trespassee every single fucking day, with my friends, playing in the woods.

Your domesticated idea of finding little park to play in can go to hell, yes the red river gorge exists and guess what IT DOES NOT END AT THE PARK BOUNDARIES YOU PUSSY

the real outdoorsman walk wherever they fucking want

>>2788394
>>2788395
also yeah I agree the blue ridge mountains are nicer than the appalachians

have not seen the northeast but I will say to you for certain without a shadow of a doubt the capacity to witness so many different biomes within 100 miles is nuts and so colorado just fucking shits on you relentlessly from that alone cope all you want

medium height trees and medium height hills and autumn colors are only so powerful

this is literally the average beauty standard for earth, if it's less it's ugly and if it's more it's gorgeous

stop drooling over the basic bitch

>>2788396
Yeah, it looks real pretty from my car.

>>2788400
Grand Junction anon here, I don't even own a car. Just ride my bike and hike everywhere.

I can ride to Moab and Aspen in a weekend. On my lunch breaks I ride my bike or walk through canyons with amazing colors and watch the Colorado river flowing through it. All on my lunch break. I live in the best place on Earth, by a lot. I have been to all of America besides the northeast.

>>2788395
I don't play in "little parks". In the East we have this concept of "the woods". Basically all undeveloped land with no houses or posted signs in sight. You usually didn't have to scale 5000 feet in order to merely access it and you didn't need a lifted f150 with tire chains just to park close by. You could do outdoor stuff every day after work. Here in the West I can only do that on the weekends because the accessibility is so bad. I can see why nobody lives here.

>>2788403
Didnt read beyond the 2nd sentence, I mog you to all hell and back when it comes to wilderness experience, daniel boone would be my best friend 200 years ago

>>2788405
I've been places no human has seen since the logging boom and I've lived in tents for months on end in sub zero weather. I've been lost in swamps for days. I've killed deer with bows I've made myself. You are nothing.

>>2788408
ngl faggot bitch I was 9 by the time I did all that

>>2788409
Then you would understand why this area sucks so much.

>>2788408
>>2788409
>>2788410
Stop bumping this thread constantly

>>2788410
Anon growing up in Kentucky sure I walked 20-30 miles a day in the woods off trail for fun imaging what it would be like to be a frontiersman

But guess what? You ever pulled up a fucking map? You cannot walk 10 miles in the east in a straight line without crossing a road. You cannot. No matter how hard you try. It's just a fun little park.

Out west you can easily get 5-10 days without seeing another human, and you might very well be desperate to find one.

>>2788412
Yes you can. Western North Carolina, East Tennessee, West Virginia, the Adirondacks in NY, Central and Northern Vermont, Northern NH, and all of Maine North of Lewiston. Those are just a few places so remote that even the most experienced outdoorsman could easily get lost and die. But that's irrelevant because even a single square mile of deciduous or boreal forest is sufficient to do anything I enjoy doing.

In the West you can go ten miles without crossing a road but you can see that road the entire time and be seen from it. Pretty lame.

>>2788416
The northeast has places that are 50+ miles of wilderness.

What you say about the south is wrong. NOBODY in good physical shape is more than a single days walk from civilization ANYWHERE in the southeast. You are wrong. Literally actually flat out absolutely wrong.

The northeast has lyme disease.

Also, broad open landscapes are good for mental health the west will unironically make you happier.

I have full 100% doubt that you are in the west at all, by the way. Because NOBODY would deny the beauty of this place.

At one point I too was a retarded redneck that tried to pretend they had the perfect place. Then I moved and accepted reality. You're just a stupid bitch.

>>2788412
>>2788416
>>2788420
Chill.

>>2788420
The West is beautiful, no doubt about that. I just wish I could actually get out of my fucking car and see it up close.

I've been bitten by thousands of New England ticks for 30 years and don't have Lyme disease.

>>2788423
Same, thousands of ticks in kentucky, no lyme.

You can get out of your car. I think you are genuinely filtered by your fitness because I don't even own a car and thrive in this area and feel it is extremely free.

Also anybody with a vehicle has a truck and so something tells me these aren't the type of people that would tolerate low energy baby back bitch parking lots, YOU ARE DEFINITELY DOING SOMETHING WRONG. BEING A FAGGOT. FOR SURE.

Also the population density is low as fuck in the Utah/Colorado area you are such a nonsense bullshit piece of shit nigger

>>2788424
My fitness is well above average. I shouldn't have to spend three hours technical climbing just to go test a new box of ammo or new folding saw. You can't lead an outdoor-centered life out here unless you own and work on rural property, there isn't enough time in the day.

>>2788425
You are just flat out wrong, I am a literal pedestrian and get into the wilderness effortlessly on my lunch break and on the weekend.

In the east if I attempted to do this I absolutely would merely get a fucking park.

>>2788426
Maybe you have some special spot. So far my observation has been that public land access within about 100 miles of Glenwood Springs is some of the worst I've ever seen. The time it takes to merely get out of view from the road is insane. In the East I can disappear instantly. If I want to practice archery or sharpen some stuff or cook a meal on my camp stove it a fire it can be as little five minutes from the time I park to when I'm doing what I set out to do. In Colorado that just absolutely isn't happening.

Anon, appalachia is calling.

>>2788429
I am in Grand Junction. Nothing special about it.

You are quite definitely just very fucking stupid. Glenwood Springs and the 100 miles surrounding it is fucking unreal.

I had a bald eagle fly 10ft over my head the other morning when out for a smoke.

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>>2788424
>>2788412

This is what it looks like in the Northeast literally 70 yards from absolutely ANY road. It takes no time whatsoever to get away from people and do any outdoor activity you can imagine. The woods are also a natural silencer and I used to do impromptu live fire drills against tree stumps as little as 400 yards from populated areas for years and never once had anyone call the police. In Colorado so far I haven't had a single target practice session because there isn't enough fucking daylight to even reach any place where I would feel comfortable doing so. I could never have imagined that anywhere on planet Earth outside the Arctic or Sahara could suck this much. I have been lied to.

>>2788431
Yeah I saw a bald eagle from my car the other day. Also saw an elk from my car. Having a great time driving up and down I70 getting fat.

>>2788430
I was already there, liked it but the hurricane blew my job away. I'm just going back to New England. I'm pretty certain at this point that that's the best place to live in the world.

>>2788432
Ok retard so listen what you dont know is that everywhere outside of the plains and even many of the plains states have this bullshit readily available whenever they want it

Holy shit you are stupid, you walk for days and days and geographically do not have the option to see other things

If I want to walk to moab I can
If I want to walk to aspen I can

You get the same thing to the absolute limits of your endurance

Nothing else

We all get trees and hills

>>2788433
You dont even need a car in colorado you are such a low form of life

I can witness desert, forest, lake, and winter wonderland ON FOOT IN ONE DAY IN AT LEAST HALF OF THE STATE YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING VERY WRONG

Idiotic pussy you are worthless

>>2788434
appalachia is much nicer than new england

>>2788386
A lot of the so-called "public" land in CO has no public access. Just look at Unaweep canyon

>>2788441
Very funny. Ironic. I will explain how.

In the time between my posts I LITERALLY went on a bike ride from grand junction, across a cool ass river, into unaweep canyon, enjoyed it thoroughly, rode my bike back. Had a great time. Man I am blown away by how cool those sights are every single time.

You are a fucking idiot. I grew up trespassing in the heart of Appalachia, I PLEAD WITH YOU TO GROW A PAIR and stop acknowledging the concept of private property.

Daniel Boone would put his feet anywhere he wants. God wants you to have that freedom. What are you a bitch?

The east is 10x more private property btw

My whole life I risked getting shot in order to see cool stuff fuck you

>>2788435
>>2788436

Congratulations on finding some special parking spot away from the mountains.

>>2788446
Where did you park?

>>2788446
>>2788436
1 hour and 3 minutes is the time it took for me to do this it was a fucking blast

>>2788447
Bro imagine what I can do in 8 hours

>>2788448
>Park

Wouldnt know. I dont own a car. I am able to fully enage with the outdoors in a 200 mile radius of Grand Junction with just a bicycle.

>>2788449
>>2788446

>>2788450
Okay well I do own a car, which is also my house, and I have a full time job. I don't have time to drive 100 miles every day and I don't have time to scale thousands of feet of dry rock face while traffic stares at me every single time I want to do anything outdoors. This region just doesn't work for me because I like to do outdoor activities every day and not just on the weekends. Glad it's working for you.

>>2788454
Im telling you that not only is the far away wilderness superior but so is the right up close wilderness and it is actual wilderness

Red river gorge is tough as fuck and rather remote and in a shitty state, guess what? Full as fuck in summer. The east is gay.

>>2788454
>>2788455
I mean idk what to tell you, I can access wilderness on foot in 15 minutes and you cant do it in a car I think maybe you just have a broken brain and nothing in life will ever work for you

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>>2788446

Look at this beautiful, undeveloped area just west of Grand Junction. The ENTIRE FUCKING THING is marked private property. This has been my typical experience travelling this area since September.

>>2788457
Are you a woman? Do you need permission to enjoy life?

I will be placing my feet upon every inch.

>>2788456
There's no parking and when there is there's thousands of feet of technical climbing in between me and any adjacent public land. I don't know how else to explain this to you.

>>2788459
You are less than human in all possible interpretations of that insult

>>2788458
In the East I wouldn't care because nobody can see me. In sparsely forested country where I can be seen from hundreds of yards you bet I'm going to obey the sign.

>>2788460
I don't have time for extreme mountain climbing every day so I'm moving back somewhere where it isn't necessary just to access public land. Glad you like it.

>>2788461
This is a mere illusion. Look upon mountain landscapes all you want, very difficult to see people.

There is A LOT of woods near Grand Junction, and I say this coming from the dense woodlands of Appalachia.

I love dense woods. It's my favorite environment. There is plenty of it here, and so the variety is even better.

>>2788462
I just ride my bike and hike bro I sincerely think you are the type that ruins your situation no matter what you will never have a good life

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>>2788460
>>2788456

This one region in northern Maine alone has more /out/ potential than all of Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, and Montana combined.

>>2788463
I'm not going to trespass in some place where somebody with a rifle could glass me from 800 yards.

>>2788464
I just want decent parking adjacent to public land. I don't think that's asking too much.

>>2788465
This is just grazing land for birds and moose basically what you do is wear knee high waterproof boots and climb over logs and debris and get attacked by mosquitos

I mean cool I don't hate it but please consider the fact that its all you have for 1000 miles and if I get a different mood for things I can go from ski to desert in under an hour

>>2788463
I will say that the GJ area is much better than Aspen.

>>2788466
I cant even count the amount of times I got shot at as a child in Kentucky just walking around, this could never phase me

>>2788467
I feel like this isnt a real issue at all whatsoever and you just want a place to do drugs

>>2788469
Dude I feel so lucky I didnt even want to come here

>>2788455
red river gorge is nice
u kno jd vance’s family is from 30 min away
wish we could talk more about trails in appalachia

>>2788468
1000 square miles of desert isn't worth 1 square mile of forest. You have no resources, no privacy, almost no wildlife, no bushcraft skills to practice except maybe gathering dew with a plastic sheet for water. But that's besides the point if you can't even park anywhere.

>>2788472
Lmao fuckin nuts that the hillbilly elegy fucker is the vice president

Yeah I love the gorge man, I mean I fuckin grew up hittin the savage gulf every damn day with the boys

>>2788473
I am situated between the Colorado and Gunnison river. You are speaking as if you have never seen a desert. There is fucktons of water and life.

>>2788470
I was the king of bushwhacking and trespassing in Vermont and I never once even encountered another human being off of a trail. If you were literally getting shot at then you were doing something very wrong. You can't even see 80 yards in the eastern woods on average so I don't even see how that's possible. You sound like you're from farm country.

>>2788475
>>2788473
And definitely I have plenty of privacy and the people out here are definitely people that select private lives

You are big time dumb

>>2788476
I am sorry to inform you that the humans of Vermont are much much different than the humans of Kentucky.

It is a sad reality, but rednecks are insane psychos when given a few decades to themselves.

Vermont is a very nice place.

You can disappear in Kentucky woods.

>>2788474
savage gulf?

>>2788478
>>2788476
What i mean by disappearing in Kentucky woods is, human cause specifically, there is a lot of shit going on in the woods and a lot of traps

Vermont doesnt have vietnam style shit in the woods for whiskey and meth

>>2788470
I've lived in over a dozen different states. Usually I mark at least ten different usable trailhead parking areas on my GPS within 30 miles of wherever I work within a month. Here in Colorado I have only 3 within 50 miles and all of them are at the foot of massive technical terrain. This is the shittiest situation I've ever been in. I have NEVER gone this long without shooting, not in over ten years. Everyone said Western BLM land is great for shooting. It's not even possible here unless I plan a whole day of it and bring 64 ounces of water.

>>2788477
I have more privacy 10 steps behind a McDonald's in New Hampshire than anywhere out here so far.

>>2788479
So savage gulf is TN and clify wilderness is KY but its all the same standard of true wilderness that entire area is id say 7/10 very impressive I am so glad to have grown up there

>>2788482
I am sorry but I didnt read this, your tone is that of a pussy.

>>2788483
Desert is extremely private you are a paranoid pothead or something dude

I find great solace in dark enclosed woodlands, but your thinking is just dumb.

>>2788485
If people can see you then it's not private.

>>2788485
I've literally poached game back east in residential areas with 22s because the woods are so thick just between blocks that you could never hear or see anything. Here out west I feel like I will never ever be able to get far enough away from people to achieve my comfort zone. I've come to realize that I need forest as much as a fish needs water.

>>2788484
Sucks that everyone from there moves away. I haven’t seen savage gulf i assume its a slot canyon, will add that to my list.

>>2788487
Terrain changes a lot more than you think its like you dont even shoot, canyons are ancient rivers bro you aint getting a shot on that you are just learning the land poorly

This dude doesnt care about anything but shooting 1000 yards but also somehow wants trees where nobody can see him

THIS IS CALLED BULLSHIT NONSENSE.

Kentucky our best range was 700 yards, almost 100% chance you are shooting a deer below 50 yards in Kentucky

>>2788488
You are just unfamiliar with the west. The desert has greater privacy than Appalachia.

>>2788489
Theres no jobs and everyone is depressed the Appalachian mindset is dogshit as fuck you'll die trying to hold onto it

>>2788490
I only shoot handguns.

>>2788491
Maybe they need to fix things up and add some jobs.

>>2788492
Youre just fucking weird bro

>I only shoot handguns
>Outdoors
>From dense tree lines where I can't be seen
>Enjoys poaching deer

>>2788493
Haha no, the scotch irish cant be helped. Just run away. As fast as you can. Pray you dont have too much of their DNA.

>>2788491
In Appalachia you effectively don't exist when you're just 100 yards from a road. I've yet to see any Western country so far that remotely compares in that respect.

>>2788494
I literally just want parking

>>2788496
As great as it is for running away from cops I promise it's just as the easy in the desert

Please adapt your little woods are the furthest thing from unique on the planet besides literal oceans

>>2788497
There is tons of parking fucking everywhere and you can park off the road anywhere you want

I genuinely think what you want is a private parking lot to smoke drugs in.

>>2788498
Except that the places you're talking about are not within afternoon recreation distance from population centers where you can have a job.

>>2788500
Then why am I only having this problem in this specific state after years of traveling the country and not having this problem?

>>2788501
>Grand junction

I want you to stop being a faggot the tranny right fucking now NONE OF YOUR EXCUSES ARE VALID AND YOUR PHILOSOPHY OF HAVING EXCUSES MAKES YOU ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS YOU ARE A RAT YOU ARE POND SCUM FUCK YOU PUSSY

>>2788502
Stop fucking crossdressing you faggot

>>2788503
Not having parking and having a wall of nearly 90 degree cliff faces separating me from public land are not imaginary problems that magically go away by just changing your attitude.

>>2788505
No thats just you because you are mentally inferior to the entire rest of humanity Ive been trolled and you should die

You are a 90lb tranny

Imagine a homosexual cant use google maps and thinks its anyones fault but his

>>2788506
You're just mad that I can move so easily that I don't need to get defensive about where I live. If a place sucks then I just move on. I already have job interviews lined up back east. You're stuck here on your bicycle.

>>2788508
Nah i work remotely i live in grand junction by choice i will be buying a van in a few months but grand junction is really the spot

>>2788507
Google anything similar to "trailheads" within 100 miles of Glenwood Springs and drive to those locations. Here's what you'll find:

> The road is actually a gated private road and the trailhead doesn't exist

> The trail goes through private property and you aren't allowed to leave the trail

> The road is closed for winter

> The parking area is separated from public land by a 5000 foot tall wall of rock

> The parking area is a complete mud pit that no highway vehicle could ever utilize

> The parking area has unbelievable thick tourist activity

> There are signs saying you can't even walk anywhere without a hunting permit

I'm not exaggerating when I say that this is the worst situation I've ever seen. I didn't have half this much trouble even in Massachusetts. Actually I would go so far as to say that even Connecticut was better.

>>2788512
I diagnose you with homosexuality

>>2788513
Hopefully you don't get stuck in Aspen. The only silver lining is I'm making mad money right now.

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>>2788381
this is an east coast cope as b8 thread. larping larper is larping

>>2788519
Now try to actually drive to any of those places and park and successfully get out of your car.

You have world class biking and riding in the mesa north of town and a huge public land west of town just past the border. But yeah, GJ isn't some outdoor Mecca. You were supposed to go to Telluride or Durango or Pagosa Springs or Aspen or Carbondale or even Moab depending on what you like to do. If you like meth and mormons, Grand Junction will be perfect.

>>2788528
Aspen and Carbondale suck

Appalachia is simply better.

>>2788534
I've lived all over the country. Northern New England, Maine New Hampshire and Vermont, or "Northern Appalachia", is by far the best region for any outdoor activities. The volume, quality, and accessibility of public land is incomparable to anywhere else. I didn't know how good I had it there until I started traveling. Growing up I thought being able to just park almost anywhere and run out into the woods to do anything I desired was just normal. I never gave a single thought to private property boundaries, I never had to scale a mountain unless I wanted to, and I could always find somewhere to park somewhere adjacent to a parcel I saw on the map. This lifestyle is almost impossible anywhere else as it turns out. I now think that it might actually be almost impossible to have a full-time job and engage in outdoor recreation every day without owning land anywhere except New England and maybe North Carolina or Tennessee.

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>>2788548
Basically the summary is the out stuff in appalachia creams what new england has available.

>>2788557
New England is Appalachia

>>2788560
Got his goofy ass

i left new england a soft-handed fag and ended up in an area neighboring yours. you either get tougher or it shits you out back to where you came from. this country is for people who see that rock face and think 'awesome' not for people who turn their jetta around when they see some cattle fencing. i frequently see literal senior citizens climbing up steep ass mesas to shoot

convenient trailhead parking, sure if you wanna share your park walk with 9000 techbro fags. mountain west is incredibly rewarding for anybody in a reasonable state of fitness and the ability to use a map and compass. i can get anywhere i want with my grandma-style crossover and two feet and there are a shitton of biomes, ruins and massive public lands to explore

>>2788565
I work full time. I don't have time to do a summit hike every time I want to do anything else. This is a great place for climbing and summit hiking, clearly. It's a very poor region for just about anything else like survival skills training and bushcraft, hunting, marksmanship, etc, especially in winter with the limited daylight. Just my opinion after being here for two months. I know it's not me, because no other place I've lived has made me feel this way.

I grew up in Maine and the people saying that the east coast is better for /out/ when compared to the west are smoking fucking crack. I took a road trip with my wife to the wyoming/colorado/idaho/montana area of the US and it was the most beautiful shit I've ever seen and it was easy as fuck to just find some spot and go exploring. Don't get me wrong I think there are some awesome spots in new england to go /out/ but for sheer volume and vast emptiness/wilderness the west has it beat tenfold

The national parks were admittedly full to the brim with retarded normies and tourists but there's so much more to see than just yellowstone/tetons. Plus there's a ton of BLM land out there to just fuck around and shoot guns/explore ghost towns/hike random ridgelines/etc etc. There's hardly any of that up north because it's all owned by logging and paper companies

>>2788569
don't you get pto?

i got your standard 9-5 email job & get plenty of time outdoors every single day. summited a smaller peak just outside town with my coworker over lunch last week. i'm still pretty soft but apparently not as soft as op

>>2788560
No Appalachia ends at southern ny south of finger lakes, appalachia is geological

>>2788582
The White mountains in NH and the Green mountains in VT are part of the Appalachians. The Appalachians go all the way to New Brunswick. Dumb nigger.

>>2788538
>The volume, quality, and accessibility of public land is incomparable to anywhere else
lol

>>2788522
>skill issue
shut the fuck up.

FYI this is a bot thread and you're all arguing with a bot.

Why are east coasters scared of areas that arent dense forest? Having actual views of the landscape is scary? It's like that one reddit post of the person who cries when taken out of urban areas, but instead when taken out of the womb of dense eastern trees. Why would I give a fuck if someone driving by on a forest service road can see me? I have no shame in my outdoor activities. I and the other people target shooting on blm land don't give a fuck if someone drives by. Even if the mountain west didn't have millions more acres of wilderness and many different biomes and all the other shit, just being able to see and enjoy a full sky of every sunrise and sunset makes it better than the east.

>>2788672
They'll keep doing it too. Gotta keep bumping the thread to page 1.

>>2788677
You sound like my dad whenever I would close all the drapes in the house. You either understand or you don't. You think you have nothing to hide because you don't understand the infinite potential of information to be used against you.

east coast forests are simply superior

Do eastcoastlets somehow not comprehend that every state even Arizona has forests that completely isolate you

That's base model nature, the fucking white sedan with no extra features you fucking idiot everyone has forests

>>2788514
I rent month to month in different places that I want to live. I work 100% remote.

I found renting rooms in cool places to be cheaper than digital nomading with a van.

>>2788717
Yes, vanlife is a meme. The gas and maintenance costs of any fullsize van are ridiculous. I live in a Subaru Impreza hatchback. The trick is to just not have material possessions.

I frequently miss the Western Slope, but I just can't justify the price of it. The house I grew up in doubled in value in like 10 years. My dollar goes farther down south so here I am.

>>2788721
I pay 450 a month in Grand Junction

Its going to be hard to me to leave with a deal like that but eventually I will seek other adventures

>>2788722
For me to leave*

>>2788722
I outgrew the whole rented room thing a while ago. My parents' house off 30 road is valued over 400k and it's 1200 sq ft. My current house is 1800 sq ft and I paid 185k plus I have a bigger yard to boot. I'm sure I could make slightly more money back in GJ but not double, and I know because I go on a lot more vacations these past couple years.

>>2788727
For me its either rent room in random places or vanlife, I am 20 or 30 years away from the desire to own a house in one place

>>2788528
GJ isnt an /out/ Mecca but it's a 7/10 or an 8/10 depending on how you look at it and it's surrounded by 10 /out/ meccas in every direction so that's big

>>2788728
Good for you man, I'm honestly not judging. It just doesn't fit my personality and my needs, even when living with friends. I was never able to fully let my shoulders drop, ya know? So even before I decided to buy I was renting out whole apartments and townhomes and houses just so my comings and goings didn't disturb anyone and nobody else's food got all gross in my refrigerator and I never had to think twice about inviting someone over.

>>2788731
Does it give you a headache to think about all the extra money you spent because you were uncomfortable lmao

>>2788732
Not at all, I don't consider it a waste or anything. If nothing else, having my own place was and is great for dating, even if that's not exactly why I did it

>>2788734
Nice brah

I think thats most people, I know I am out of the ordinary that I couldnt imagine it at all

>>2788728
I'm OP and I've lived in passenger vehicles for almost five years. You're a pussy. You don't need a van or an apartment. Just get a hatchback and rip all the seats out and build a bed in the back. If that isn't good enough then you own way too much useless shit and you suck at life.

>>2788739
Nah bro this was a financial choice you fucking idiot

Car camping is very comfy. I made a simple pragmatic choice. It is cheaper to rent a room in a nice place, and in fact I get to enjoy the nice place more. All over America you will get cucked by parking lots, but if you just rent 15 miles away and own a bicycle, that shit is all yours, you have it.

For the record, I am a person that meets the standard of endurance athlete quite easily and see nothing wrong with cross country hikes or bike rides whilst cowboy camping the entire time.

Vanlife is 500-1000 bucks a month and I simply am too good at finding cheap places to live near world class nature to tolerate that

OP you’re so full of shit. I’ve been all over the sw and there are plenty of places everywhere to pull off the road and park. I did it in a Prius. There’s so much fucking land it’s unbelievable.

>>2788750
he is an actual retard, probably stoned and freaking out and cant find a place to park after passing up 20 parking lots

this person is a really pathetic person

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>>2788401
What about Alaska anon?
>>2788450
Pics of your bike and gear? I'm interested
>>2788509
>i work remotely
what kind of work

>>2788753
Every trailhead parking area is on a gated private road, a closed road, is physically inaccessible, or is behind a ridge. Just a summary since you clearly didn't read anything above.

>>2788743
Car life costs nothing. You just suck.

>>2788381
It's well known that the west is better for taking nice scenic photographs and climbing mountains, while the east is for actually enjoying your time /out/doors. I can't imagine living somewhere where I couldn't go canoe camping.

>>2788869
Literally nobody around here has even heard of any outdoor activity other than summit hiking and skiing. Fucking lame.

>>2788381
>this undeveloped land has a lack of development and now I am sad
quite literally, take a hike

>>2788909
There's literally an unbroken perimeter of rich douchebags private hunting property surrounding most of the public land like a fucking moat.

>>2788818
My prepaid nigger phone decided I dont get a to post pics

Its a shitty bike and a backpack you would cry if you rode it for 5 miles I ride it for 50 for fun

I just do tech work

>>2788917
>>2788818
Also the amount of days per year I get to do things outdoors is important to me

Yes I know you can do things outdoors 365 in Alaska but with thousands of dollars worth of equipment and lots of planning its not the same as going for a bike ride in shorts in January

>>2788916
This dude cant find a pair of tits at hooters

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>>2788869
>the east is for actually enjoying your time /out/doors

explain this. what is it you do outdoors in the east that cant be done in the west? I enjoy all my time outdoors and it never involves climbing mts.
>I can't imagine living somewhere where I couldn't go canoe camping.
Are you suggesting there is no canoe camping out west? Because that is not true.

>>2788865
>Every trailhead parking area is on a gated private road
shut the fuck up

>>2788869
>>2788922
>No canoe camping lol I live less than 1.5 miles from both the Colorado and Gunnison river

I have so much god damn canoeing

>>2788922
Literally anything. Living in the East I went roaming and hunting and fishing and practicing bushcraft every day very easily. Here out west I can't do any of that ever because of all the private property and road closures and utter lack of parking. Nothing has changed except my location.

>>2788923
This has happened to me three times in the past month alone. Google maps is useless out here.

>>2788931
move to appalachia

>>2788929
You are just a woman
>>2788933
I come from Appalachia to the west

He is full of nonsense, a literal tranny that probably doesnt go outside at all

>>2788934
time to return to your ancestral homeland
you are being called by the spirits

>>2788937
Im not the 60 IQ weak wristed homosexual that cant find a place to park

My soul and my ancestors tell me to continue my voyage

>>2788938
Then you have no experience living in this area. Across a dozen states I have NEVER had issues like this. Only here. I think it's by design. I think the Aspen people did this.

>>2788934
Nobody can explain why I am only having this problem in this region after years of traveling the country.

>>2788940
You are just gay and wrong lol nothing left to tell you

Your problems exist solely within your skull you are the only man alive with this problem

>>2788942
Because it applies to literally nobody this is just a poor troll attempt on your part

>>2788943
What do you have against gay people?

>>2788945
Nothing at all, as far as it goes with terminology it is quite effective at illustrating the degree of seriousness with which I take you.

My entire life I have risked bullets to the head over my right to roam and this fucking nutless fuck needs a parking lot to look at stuff

I want him deported from America

>>2788942
>Nobody can explain why I am the only one having this problem
fify

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>>2788929
>Literally anything.
you are right. you cant do anything out west. there is no public land. its all private and gated. no one hunts or fishes or camps or atv's or snowmobiles or x-country skis or bikes or ice fishes or or canoes or kayaks or float rivers or or rock climbs or ice climbs or ice boats or hunts mushrooms or hunts sheds or roams the woods practicing bushcraft...

>>2788931
its never happened to me once in 30yrs of exploring the west. sounds like a skill issue.

>>2788381
>> Massive volume of private property.
Utah is 75% public land
Colorado is nearly 50%.
Some of the top states for public free to use land. I went through both states not even a month ago and can't tell you how many signs reminded you of the BLM land that you can use.
>> Serious public land access issues.
Get a better car. Plenty of access roads along most BLM lands, but it's expected you know how to offroad. It's BLM, not national parks.
>> Treeless terrain significantly reduces the value of public land.
Utah issue at best
>> No trees mean no natural resources. No bushcraft material. No campfires.
There is plenty of natural resources in CO, what the fuck were you doing? Sitting in Mesa the entire time?

>>2788956
This idiot went to the best place on earth and couldnt park his car I am pretty sure he is just constantly baked out of his mind and paranoid

Northern Idaho and Western Montana is where it's at (besides the gay indian reservations)

>>2788958
Very nice but the difference is like the Alaskan difference, it lacks the variety of the four corners region.

>>2788959
honestly ask yourself, when did you ever walk up and just say "man I want to go out in the desert for hours on end". Places like Utah are a see once, and move on type of deal.

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OP is just looking for excuses to be mad. Here's the real reason Colorado sucks:
Coloradans (and Utards) are the worst consoomers when it comes to outdoor activities. "Oh you love the outdoors? What are your favorite brands?" -- That's essentially every conversation I've had with these 5-panel-hat-wearing cardiobunny zombies since I made the spurious decision to move out here. Going outdoors is an act of consumption here, not an act of desire or of spirituality. No I don't know what brand my skis are, I got them at a yard sale when I was 16. Ditto for my bike. Or >>2788956 "You want to go nicer places, just buy a better car, lol" I bet you drive a matte orange crosstrek, you creep.
I live in one of the "beautiful" areas in Colorado. All the forests are diseased or shitty mono-culture. All dispersed camping spots and trailheads are choked up with van lifers and their feces; I preferred pre-pandemic when it was just the crackheads. Other than the southwestern desert, nothing in this state can be considered beautiful if you have been anywhere else in the Rockies, or spent 5 minutes in a sycamore forest in Connecticut.

>>2788943
You haven't told me anything. I've laid out my experiences in vivid detail and nobody has replied with anything of substance other than the guy saying the Grand Junction area is better (it is, a little bit). If you have no constructive advice then just stop posting.

>>2788962
Constantly actually, my entire life I have had a strong preference for deep forests and deep greens.

Guess what? The desert has a retarded amount of colors and if you actually go there you realize the lay of the land allows for fucktons of privacy. The desert has so much life.

I do not have a single walk that doesn't knock my socks off. As soon as I leave my house I can't believe it. Every time.

>>2788965
It's actual literal nonsense your statesments are on the par of saying "I went to siberia and only found chocolate dinosuars"

There is no parking problem. You are just actually less than human.

>>2788966
I don't know man. I went around moab and it was cool, but not that cool.

>>2788963
>I bet you drive a matte orange crosstrek, you creep.
I drive a sedan, but even I know my limits given the tires and clearance i have on it.

>>2788947
You must have grown up in a shit hole. In New England there was no such thing as private property and I went anywhere I wanted with impunity. North Carolina was similar and also much of East Tennessee. The best by far was the Adirondacks, basically uninhabited wilderness with no rules. In the Dacks I used to decommission spent propane tanks with a Glock right on the side of the road and didn't give a fuck, barely ever saw another human being even during peak tourism months. Colorado so far has been non-stop posted signs, drop-offs that make it physically impossible to park off the road, trailheads that don't exist, roads that are closed, mud pits, and walls of rock defending public land from all intrusion. I know it's not me because NO OTHER FUCKING STATE with lots of low population/wilderness areas have demonstrated these issues. I have been on the road for years and I have never seen a situation this bad.

>>2788969
You're just gay, live with it. Own it. You know who lives in this area? People that cover 30 miles on foot in a a day for fun. You know who lives in New Hampshire? Diabetic retards that need a 4x4 for anything beyond their porch.

You're just pathetic and used to a pathetic world.

>>2788950
Well certainly not within 100 miles of Glenwood, that's for sure.

>>2788972
Eastern Kentucky. Yes, a shithole. A random stranger may legitimately find it funny to shoot at children walking in the woods. That's a fact of life where I grew up and I lived with it every single day and it didn't stop me from enjoying the wilderness at all. In fact, I believe it made me much more skilled in the wilderness.

>>2788973
>You're just gay
so what?
>You know who lives in New Hampshire? Diabetic retards that need a 4x4 for anything beyond their porch.
Not my problem. I have plenty of public state parks to explore when i want to around NY, PA, VA, WV, and KY all within a few hours drive.

>>2788974
I have mad a prayer that your children suffer disabilities

>>2788956
New Hampshire is 80% public land. Want to try out a new hammock tent without people staring at you fumble around with the thing looking like a moron? Just pull over anywhere and go out in the woods and get it done in five minutes. That's how I grew up and that's what I compare the rest of the country to.

>>2788977
Then go there lol I don't want you anywhere near me you are a disgusting pussy

Anyone that needs permission to enjoy nature deserves no nature at all, fucking nutless coward

>>2788968
Yes there fucking is. I have spent hundreds of hours and dollars in gas money for two months looking at everything remotely promising on Google maps. If I were in ANY other state, literally any other fucking state, I would have probably 30 good locations added to my Garmin by now. I have hundreds all over the country. I have like fucking three spots here in CO within a 50 mile radius from work. And they suck because they're behind steep mountains, I don't have a single casual "run out" spot, they don't exist here. I am not doing anything differently. The issue is the location I moved to. Good thing I can leave just as easily.

>>2788982
didnt even read beyond "I have spent"

No you didnt

you didnt

you are lying

you are incompetent

you are worthless

you suck at all things

nobody else on earth shares your experience

consider suicide immediately

>>2788979
NH is also a tiny ass fucking state. Being 80% isn't even comparable to Utah or Colorado.

>>2788983
Once again you've offered nothing. If you really think I'm that wrong then show me where all the good spots are in this region. You can't do it because you don't live here and have no experience with this area. There are good spots in Colorado, don't get me wrong, but if you're working near Aspen you're basically shit out of luck unless you have infinite gas money and night vision optics. I know they did this on purpose.

>>2788984
A mile of Eastern forest is equivalent to 100 square miles of Western plains and desert.

I'd honestly rather spend my time in the Grand Tetons, or Glacier, or even just most of Washington state over Colorado and Utah.

>>2788987
Id give you 2.5 miles at best. And only in certain parts.

You are a sad coper. A joke.

>>2788986
Nah actually you are reprehensible and deserve only to be called bad words

I can afford this because you are so utterly bullshit

What we know about OP

>obese
>gay
>cannot use a map

>>2788991
>gay
Not an insult in 2024

>>2788992
I dont consider it to be one, however the lifestyle implies certain things about what you can or cannot do in the field.

You have a 7 minute shit limit in the marines, gay boy.

>>2788977
Those really are the best states for out!! Ur lucky!

> Massive volume of private property
stopped reading right there
look at a map of public land in the west vs the east you dumbfuck faggot

>>2788997
The maps of public land are always just federalized land, and most public land in the east is state, county, or local like a conservancy or preserve.

>>2788998
You have diabetes for blood stay in your picnic park shithole

>>2788989
In the East you can get lost and die in a single square mile of land or stealth camp there for years. Out here I can hike for three hours and turn around and still see my car. There's zero comparison. Forest cover compresses every single type of outdoor utility like a 7zip. That's why those satellite pictures are wrong, the ones that make people think the West must be better because there are no streetlights. They think with less people they will have less of the problems caused by other people, yet these problems are actually caused by line of sight. I have always known this but now I've proven it.

>>2788988
Can you get a job there?>>2788997

>>2789000
You are a little baby that cant play in the real woods

>>2788997
Now go and actually drive to these places in real life. That will show you that you're wrong. You will see "posted" signs and fences fucking everywhere and you will not be able to park anywhere. The map is not the terrain.

>>2789003
Get the dick out of your ass

A little pussy is in an unfamiliar area and panics and has a bad time and writes about it

You dont deserve my air you triple aids nigger

>>2789005
You haven't shared one single spot to prove me wrong. You have never even been here.

>>2789008
Am in Grand Junction right now

You get nothing you are the lowest form of anything

>>2789005
>>2789009
Bro. You need to go outside.

>>2789009
Every single comment you have made has been pointless, literally "Ur RoNg" with no explanation, but thanks for bumps.

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>>2789009
>>2789005
>>2789002

Show me right now how to park next to this national forest in less than one hour starting in Glenwood or shut the fuck up.

>>2789014
"Anywhere"

Go back to your NPC state

>>2789017
You can't park anywhere because the roadsides are dropoffs. My old Silverado with all terrains wouldn't have even been able to park off of most of these roads.

>>2789018
Nah ur a nutless girl that cant navigate or drive or make decisions honestly most pathetic personality ive heard from in recent memory

>>2789020
You cannot show me any evidence that you have any clue what you are talking about.

>>2789003
You should try alltrails - the public land is shaded a different green on the map than the private land. And the parking is marked with a p.

>>2789021
There is no amount of torture that would get me to tell you any information that may give grace to your life.

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>>2789020

Look at this road going through the National Forest out of Basalt. Looks like a great back country road to park and go deer hunting or primitive camping right? This is exactly you learn to look for in New England, Appalachia, upstate NY, etc. Guess what? The road is GATED AND PRIVATE. This is just one problem that has manifested over and over again and is completely unique to this region. Do you think I'm just making shit up? The only half decent road is Fryingpan but you're still dodging private property everywhere and you have to do massive climbing to make any progress away from the parking areas or cross a fucking river somehow. It's just been endless bullshit from the moment I arrived here and no other state is like this.

>>2789022
The problem isn't knowing where the public land is, the problem is getting there and actually managing to get out of my car instead of having to turn around because there is nowhere where it is legal or even physically possible to leave my car.

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These trailheads DO NOT EXIST!

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This is a ATV TRAIL!

>>2789028
Have you tried alltrails?

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This entire road is COMPLETELY UNMAINTAINED AND IMPASSABLE!

>>2789031
Go take some photos of all the posted signs and the unmaintained impassable roads and show us what you mean with photos.

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You can't even TAKE THIS EXIT!

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IMPASSABLE! NO BASIC WINTER MAINTENANCE!

>>2789033
Ok but that says closed
U can check reviews if its below 4 star usually its private property or hard to access

The utter definition of filtered lmao

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100% PRIVATE PROPERTY!

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You aren't even ALLOWED TO WALK OUT HERE WITHOUT A PERMIT!

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GREAT OUTDOOR OPPORTUNITIES FOR SPIDERMAN!

>>2789040
we need drones u can sit in and just fly around terrain like that in

>>2789030
I'm going to try moving back to someplace that isn't fucking retarded and where the state government can spend a few pennies here and there on basic infrastructure like access points to public land and an occasional snow plow.

>>2789042
Honestly access to less popular trails in the east kinda can suck too, i wish there was more work invested in maintaining trails, roads, and parking in remote areas for recreational purposes.

>>2789041
It's funny, I've seen pictures like this my entire life and thought they were beautiful. It did occur to me that the entire landscape was literally all like that. I don't see how a single living creature other than birds can even survive out here at all.

>>2789043
In winter, yes, but Colorado takes the fucking cake. I've been researching diseases common to truckers because I'm so trapped in my car right now I'm afraid for my health. I've restored to practicing martial arts in the bathroom of Walmart because I can't hike anywhere private in a reasonable time frame. There is no fucking escape. A dog park in Bridgeport Connecticut is a better outdoor destination than this entire fucking state based on what I've seen so far. I'm GONE the very second my transfer gets approved and I'm never driving west of Old Forge ever again for as long as I live.

Imagine being stuck in the soulless pit of colorado, with nowhere to park, and hearing the dulcet tones of this beckoning you to a place you belong:
https://youtu.be/19f0Aerv6pM

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>>2789014
you are a moron who cant read a map or use google maps, there is road access
just because it isnt on street view doesnt mean the road doesnt exist
dickhead

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>>2789043
Ever been down Kelley Stand road in the southern Greens? Dozens of free camping spots, you can get out of your car literally anywhere and do anything you want. I've spent hundreds of hours out there practicing marksmanship, axemanship, bushcraft, cooking wild hares and trout over fires, testing and comparing new gear and tents, running away from moose, always unbothered and unobserved by other people, living life the way I wanted to day in and day out, even if only squeezed into the edges of a full time work schedule, and without paying a dime in property taxes. This was just one of countless similar places throughout New England that served as my home bases while I floated between various jobs in nearby towns.

This lifestyle is not possible in Colorado. I came here with an open mind and tried my best but my worst theories have been proven true beyond what I could have imagined. This is Hell.

>>2789047
You found one of my weekend spots, conveniently located on the OPPOSITE side of the forest from the population center!

>>2789046
West Virginia is nice, just not many jobs. Most of the area around Charleston is private property. If I were going to live out in the woods off the land full time WV would be near the top of my list, plenty of secluded forest, healthy wild game populations, reasonable climate, infinite building material and water, it seems hard to beat.

>>2789050
fs (dot) usda (dot) gov/recarea/whiteriver/recarea/?recid=81112
you can see which roads the parks service maintains and which are suitable for usage by your shitbox
you are mad for no other reason than that a massive stretch of untamed wilderness hasnt been paved over by an underfunded and understaffed government agency
if you want to change that, donate money to a park of your choice, otherwise, stop bitching

>>2789052
additionally, you are not owed by any person, institution, or metric, the right to drive into any part of the wilderness you decide you want to go to on a graded road
a car is not the thing first thought of by any sane person when they imagine "the great outdoors"

>>2789052
I'm not mad. I'm happy. I'm happy because I'm leaving.

>>2789052
I wonder which political party is more in favor of underfunding government agencies…

>>2789054
I agree. I also don't owe the government taxes. It works both ways.

You're just bad at things, worse than all other humans. The worst of the humans. The weakest and least of all of us. It's you.

>>2788538
>The volume, quality, and accessibility of public land is incomparable to anywhere else
no but right to roam can make it feel close enough

>>2788381
Really riled up the defensive westfags, gj op

>>2789119
In New England the only people who own more land than just their backyard are people who inherited long defunct farmland and have no clue what to do with it or how to monetize it. It's generally not posted and nobody cares that you're there. For all practical purposes everything in VT, NH, and ME that isn't immediately inhabited is public land.

>>2788972
No kidding, I grew up in Maine and property lines never prevented me from going anywhere until I moved out west.

>>2788381
>bushcraft material
LOL
lmao even

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>>2788412
>You cannot walk 10 miles in the east in a straight line without crossing a road.

You and other Westerners wouldn't be able 10 miles in a straight line out here period. The national guard would probably have to retrieve your remains.

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>>2789037
>100% PRIVATE PROPERTY!
Bullshit. that is simply not true. You are either very stupid or lying- which is it?

>>2789208
How about you drive there in real fucking life instead of taking a cartoon from the Internet as gospel. I spent like 7 hours driving every road in that area.

>>2789208
You have to drive all the way north AROUND Meeker in order to get to any public areas in that entire wilderness region.

>>2788381
>Can't reach public land in a lowered sports car
>no maintained parking lots with vending machines and cellphone reception
>this is a bad thing, mmmkay?
Please do us all a favor and stay /in/

>>2789212
>its all private
>surrounded by 23 million acres of NF
>derp

>You have to drive all the way north AROUND Meeker
I dont belive you. why cant you drive up cnty rd 8 thru buford?
Or take the road NF road from New Castle to Buford? Cuts right thru the NF. You seem clueless.

>dozens of trailheads in the area
>numerous campgrounds
>somehow you cant seem to access any of them but others somehow do
lol

>>2789219
>23 million acres of NF
sorry- that should be 2.3 million acres but still...

>>2789219
Every square inch is posted private property with signs advertising some kind of hunting guide company. There are no trailheads unless you drive 100 miles completely around Meeker. There is no way to access that region directly from the Glenwood area. I don't care what you're seeing on your computer screen because I actually went there.

>>2789219
Also, many of those roads don't even exist. Your GPS will try to take you down a dirt path like 3 feet wide that might have been drivable 50 years ago.

>>2789228
>Every square inch
fuck off
>There are no trailheads
not factual
>unless
so there are...you just have to drive to them lol

>There is no way to access that region directly from the Glenwood area
Not factual.
https://ioverlander.com/places/270851-buford-newcastle-winter-trail-head

>>2789236
Drive there from Glenwood Springs and post your results. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

>>2789228
>that region directly from the Glenwood area
What region specifically? Flat tops? There are dozens of trailheads within an hour of GWS. You seem really challeneged.

>>2789239
>You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
the projection is palpable lol

>>2789239
I drove thru rifle state park and up into the NF 3 weeks ago. Was kino.

>>2789246
90% of them are closed, inaccessible, or fictitious.

>>2789261
You're just wrong and bad at all things

>>2789268
Come out here and see for yourself. I wanted to like this place but I'm already moving after just two months. No other part of the country has given me issues like this in almost five years of continuous travel.

>>2789270
Im here right now you are just a joke a total nonsense concept of a life wrong in every way it is so sad to be you

>>2789271
No, it's objectively not me, based on the fact that I didn't have problems anything like this in a dozen other states. If it was something I was doing wrong then I wouldn't just suddenly be experiencing this now for no reason.

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>>2788381
>Very little public land in reasonable proximity to any place where you can actually get a job.
Where do you want to public land?
Downtown Manhattan ?

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>>2789271
>>2789277

So, for example, when I lived here I could literally just park anywhere and do anything I wanted less than five minutes from the downtown area. Most of New England was the same. So was Western North Carolina. I didn't have to drive 50 to 100 miles through public land just to find somewhere where I could leave my car. That's a completely new and alien situation to me. I can only assume that the posters here have never been to this area and are just going by what they see on online maps. That's what I did and that's why I moved here to begin with. I never could have imagined that there were places with this much public land but no way to get off the road to actually utilize it. Incredibly strange and disappointing.

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>>2789279
you are absolutely retarded. There is dispersed camping all throughout WRNF. drive up a forest service road. park. camp. its that simple.

Explain to us why other people have no problem accessing these trails but you do.

>>2789282
Park where? In a ditch? A snowbank? Drive through a fence?

>>2789282
None of these roads are maintained at all. Even back when I had my Silverado 4x4 with all terrain tires I still wouldn't have made it through many of these roads I've seen so far. There's some kind of red mud on many of them that is extremely slippery. I've already spent enough money in my life on tow trucks.

>>2789287
all terrain tires are hybrid tires for highway and off road use - u need dedicated mud/off road tires it sounds like

>>2789297
Only here. Nowhere else did I need such a thing. I'm never owning another money pit vehicle like that for as long as I live.

>>2789303
Makes me sad u cant buy a compact unibody suv with a real offroad package of all terrain tires, skid plates, locking rear diff, and hell maybe even a little lift.

>>2789309
I've had setups like that in the past. It just makes me overconfident and even more likely to get stuck. I simply refuse to drive down poorly maintained roads. I have been stranded for days because of shit like that. I jacknifed right off the side of a mountain once.

>>2789285
>>2789287
>nobody ever goes there cuz there is no where to park and its slippery
holy fuck.

>>2789316
>I simply refuse to drive down poorly maintained roads
LOL. You would never leave the highway in Montana. Holy fuck what a pussy

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>>2789285
>Park where?
grizzly peak has a nice parking lot. wtf? or park at the boat ramp and walk from there. its not that hard.

>>2789327
I don't drive expensive automobiles that can do extreme offroading like that.

>>2789330
Yeah there's a couple okay spots not too far away. But I'm just going to leave. That will instantly solve everything.

>>2789333
retvrn 2 appalachia

>>2789333
>That will instantly solve everything.
lol. as if.

>>2789332
you are an absolute retard.
https://www.garfield-county.com/news/work-to-improve-buford-new-castle-road-commences/

>>2789338
What part of "I never had these problems over the course of years traveling through a dozen different states" do you not understand?

>>2789339
>>2789397
Nigga stop

>>2788381
you're at least a decade too late.
Colorado has a drastic change of population after the legalized weed.
all the dirty wooks and hippies moved in. entire states smells of burning sage everywhere you go
so many poor white people standing in bread lines
methheads who look like they ditched prom 4 months ago and never changed out of their tuxes
its ridiculous

>>2789397
>misses the point entirely
no wonder

>Fat retard from the northeast cant cope with real nature

no surprises here

>>2789488
I don't have 60K to blow on a monster truck.

You and everyone you know would be dead in one day in Maine.

>>2789517
lol buttercup my $1500 1994 chevy k1500 eats any bit of land on earth alive

>>2789517
Come on now. You've never been to Maine.

>>2789517
>dead in one day in Maine
do they have maintained forest service roads? If they do, I think i'l be ok

>>2789521
He wouldn't know. He's never been.

There's seven IPs in the whole thread

>>2789529
6 of them are mine

>>2789530
I know.

>>2789521
Literally nobody from New England hasn't been to Maine.

>>2789521
You'll be fine if you stay in your car. If you leave your car you can't see it from miles away like you can in Colorado. Once you're merely 70 paces into the woods you had better have GPS and power banks. There's probably no place in America that will kill an unprepared person faster than the Northeast.

>>2789538
Too bad ya mountains like 1000ft tall eh

>>2789277
Yes.

>>2789538
>you can't see it from miles away like you can in Colorado
You hiking on the plains? or just climbed up several 1000s ft and can look down?

>>2789543
Above sea level or above the surrounding terrain?

I generally avoid mountains. Wild game and resources decrease with elevation. There's no reward for going up there. Summit hiking strikes me as being a very yuppie thing. It's like the suburban imagination just can't think of anything else to do in the wilderness other than climb a mountain for no reason. I have better things to do.

>>2789547
Either. Still being able to see a road after any significant amount of foot travel is something unique to the west.

>>2789554
>sees a road 4 miles away from a mt. peak
>reeeeee this place sucks
lol
I never see a road when I go inna woods out west. I never see people either. maybe its you?

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>>2789575
When do you go innawoods? On some special trip hundreds of miles from where you work once a month? The VERY FEW public land access points within 50 fucking miles of Glenwood just immediately go up some barren hill where you can scarcely lose sight of the parking area in three hours of climbing.
Back east that only happens at certain powerline cuts. Otherwise you get completely lost if you take like 50 steps from your car without GPS because the woods are so thick. That is what I'm missing the most out here. 90% of my outdoor activities are just practicing various crafting skills in solitude and silence. In the East this means just cutting a couple hundred yards off of any trail less than 1/4 mile from whatever patch of dirt I parked at. I simply cannot achieve that out here, the terrain and infrastructure make that impossible. Imagine living in a hotel with no walls or doors, that's how living out here makes me feel. The rare times I can find anywhere to park it takes forever to hike somewhere where I don't feel exposed. If I can see more than 80 yards I start having an anxiety attack. I am a creature designed to live in real forests that aren't struggling to survive due to lack of water and elevation, that is my habitat. But like an idiot I moved out here because I just had to explore the empire and get it out of my system, and I grew up watching Westerns and wanted to see what this part of the country is actually like. I'm moving back East right after Thanksgiving, my transfer is already approved. I hope everyone out here has fun spending their lives driving up and down I70 and hearing stories of rich people hunting elk in their backyards.

>>2789584
none of what you've said is true

you are just a gay peter griffin

>>2789586
Which specific claim did I make is false and why do you believe it is false?

Wanna know something I did out here recently that I've never had to do before? I pulled over into the emergency lane, crawled into my backseat, and took a piss in a bottle. The reason I've never had to do that before is because back east you can just run out in the woods and take a piss. That's basically the microcosm right there of why I'm leaving this place. I'm not going to be able to explain it better than that I don't think.

>>2789591
It is very important for your own path in life that you right now at this very moment recognize your own faults and that you are simply entirely inferior to all other people that have ever traversed similar lands ever, in all of history. It is you. The biggest pussy of all time.

The sooner you realize this the sooner you can progress in your life.

>>2789619
And yet somehow across years of traveling through this country's great outdoor destinations these problems didn't manifest until just recently when I took I70 West of Denver and transferred to a job in Glenwood Springs.

>>2789624
Just you

Like I said, you need to just sit down take a deep breathe and accept that you are genuinely the #1 pussy on planet earth.

Nobody will surpass you.

>>2789627
I'm a pussy because all the public land here is blockeded by private property or the access roads are closed? I'm sorry but I'm starting to forget what we're even talking about, I had to check which thread this even was.

>>2789629
none of your statements are real they are all in your head

stop bothering people with your nonsense tranny thoughts

the same way a mentally ill tranny spergs about the people around them on the bus you are sperging

you are LITERALLY A FUCKING IDIOT, PUSSY, MENTAL CASE

YOUR ENTIRE WORLDVIEW HAS ZERO VALIDITY ANY OPINION YOU HAVE YOU SHOULD THROW AWAY

YOU ARE SHIT

>>2789630
I posted like a dozen map photos of specific locations that are not accessible.

>>2789640
Wrong. 100% accessibility from every angle and position except you because you are less than all others in the entire whole world.

>>2789644
I like to hunt with my carry pistol as a survival skill because that's the only weapon I carry at all times and the only one I can count on having in an emergency. I've killed 5 rabbits and probably 20 squirrels this year with my Glock 19MOS. Thinking of putting a 47 upper on it. Did you kill a single animal this year? Or ever in your life? Even just a hunting trip with your dad using his rifle? Or do you just ride around on your bicycle (nothing wrong with that)? I think these things are more interesting than just saying "faggot" over and over again.

>>2789649
a lot of effort for being a giant pussy and wrong at the same time

i havent read a single paragraph by you in any of these threads youve made the effort for nothing

youre a joke

>>2789652
Do you like D2 steel?

>>2789652
Do you have a single outdoor related pursuit or interest?

>>2789584
>When do you go innawoods? On some special trip hundreds of miles from where you work once a month?
no. I live in the rockies and my property backs up to NF. Im out every day.

>>2789629
>all the public land here is blockeded by private property
please stop lying. its been proven to you that this is false. You need to stop lying

>>2789747
No, it's been shown to me using Internet maps that I know from direct observation are not accurate. The only person who posted an actual access route to White River posted a route that consists of nearly a 50 mile drive from Basalt which it is actually adjacent to, which proved my point better than I did. The first parking opportunity on that road is admittedly decent but I drove there when the weather was nice. It wouldn't surprise me if it became impassable for days after winter storms, that seems to be the rule around here.

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>>2789752
>admittedly decent
so you admit that not all the public land is blocked by private property. thanks.

So, can you clarify? Are you saying these trails on picrel do not exist? You cant access them? Nobody hikes the Grizzly Creek trail and all the pictures on the internet of the trail are fake?

>>2789755
Those are all basically dog parks with houses in view. Those aren't spots where you're going to go find tune your .308 handloads. If I merely wanted to walk I could do that anywhere. I could just walk around a grocery store.

>>2789758
>all the public land here is blockeded by private property
>Those places aren't but they suck
>goalposts
>moved
People drive up to flatops all summer long and snowmobile up there in the winter. The Transfer trail out of GWS or the West Elk out of Silt both are easy access points to the NF. The access is there you are just unwilling to use it because you might see a dog on the trail or the road is not "maintained" - Its not the land- its you. What about that dont you understand?

>>2789763
Actually I said in the very first post that the few accessible places just suck, I have not moved any goalposts. Transfer trail is the only half decent place nearby that I can get to in a reasonable time frame, but it's extremely busy, which irritates me because I like to use trailheads as a "ready room" to get my shit together and prefer to not be stared at. The driveable portion on Google maps is actually closed so you have to park right at the top of that hill. ALOT of roads around here are actually just ATV trails, showing me photos from your map app doesn't disprove reality.

The other is the place just south of Carbondale, but that's so far from suitable overnight spots that the roundtrip kills me. It's also a very steep hike. Sometimes I'm in the mood for that but usually I have better things to be doing with my daylight hours.

Those are the only two spots I can use after work. I have much better spots elsewhere but I only have time for them on my days off.

Back east, any area with similar population density adjacent to large national, state, and town forests would have roughly 20X as many secluded access points of higher quality within a 20 mile drive as a rule, and with better winter road maintenance. That's what I'm accustomed to.

>>2789763
Back in NC we had the Blue Ridge Parkway. You could be in the middle of Asheville one moment and building your own dispersed camp with a hatchet in some hidden valley in literally 30 minutes. This is the norm throughout the East.

>>2789771
Where I live in the rockies I do that in 15 minutes.

>>2789770
>which irritates me
Admitting you are the problem is a great first step anon