https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/lost-cities-of-the-amazon-discovered-from-the-air-180980142/For those of you who don't know, massive discoveries have been made in the Amazon over the past couple years using "LIDAR" imaging technology from the air. We now know that the Amazon was once home to a sprawling and sophisticated civilization.However, I'm hearing that there's a shortage of manpower to undertake the ground exploration of these sites. Is there any way for an American like me to volunteer for this? This would be a dream come true and I would expect no payment.
For that matter, would there even be any law stopping me from just flying to Brazil and going out there myself somehow?
>>2789402You need to be indoctrinated by Big Archeology first. Have you sit through 4 years of useless classes? You can be an unpaid intern.
>>2789402How long until this is called fake and pseudo scientific by archaeologists world wide?The science community has a horrible habit of dismissing anyone who doesnt state obvious 8th grade science like neil degrasse tyson
>>2789411All science is fake and gay. These discoveries are not "science", they're just photographs taken with technology that can see through the forest canopy. All we need is people to hike out to the spots and take photos and samples and go into the temple to kill the minotaur or whatever. We need a guy with a greying crewcut and a cigar to turn on everyone at the last minute.
>>2789413>All we need is people to hike out to the spots and take photos and samples and go into the temple to kill the minotaur or whatever. We need a guy with a greying crewcut and a cigar to turn on everyone at the last minute.where do i sign up?I can forward $1million cash to you to join you in your journey nigerian prince
>>2789411LIDAR has actually found sites, so it's provably non-bs.>>2789407I'm not so sure about that. I volunteered on a dig and didn't have any significant archaeology training. There was lots of encouragement to do other digs. The vibe was very open and welcoming. This can vary, but I think archaeology is quite accessible.>>2789403There is a very high chance that they will think you're stealing stuff. LIDAR exploration isn't only about finding above ground monuments. Some of this stuff is buried, and excavation cannot be conducted without permits and whatnot.
>>2789411Look into the amyloid hypothesis and how the scientific establishment set us back by decades with regards to Alzheimer’s research. It’s not a conspiracy theory. https://www.science.org/content/article/potential-fabrication-research-images-threatens-key-theory-alzheimers-diseaseBasically any deviation from the theory that Alzheimer’s was caused by amyloid beta plagues was immediately dismissed. A 2006 study was supposed to be definitive proof of the AB theory, and The Science! really clamped down on dissenting opinion. But that 2006 study was fraudulent.
>>2789415What are they going to do about it? If they can send people in to arrest me why couldn't they send people in to do the exploration?
>>2789402I wouldn't recommend getting nowhere close to that shithole >hot >humid >full of natives subsidized by the commie government that can kill without repercussions >full of illegal miners/loggers/poachers that will kill you just in case >residents are just as violent >some places are used by drug traffickers and cartels for smuggling >local fauna is made up of poisonous animals or carnivores that will fuck you up at the first opportunity >don't even think about getting in the rivers The list goes on, but there's all sorts of horrible shit going on there, including parents whoring their kids for a pack of cigarettes and moonshine. You wouldn't last a day.
>>2789418So what? We're all going to die anyway. I want to do something cool first. There's nowhere else left unexplored except space and that probably isn't happening. The only thing I'd be afraid of is Malaria, human and carnivore threats will never deter me from anything.
>>2789416i dont have to look into iti believe you.with how snoody the scientific community is i believe you.You cant tell a scientist anything even if it's theoretical without them having a bitch fit.Even if they deal in theoretics they'll have a bitch fit
>>2789420Everyone knows that science and medicine are completely ruined. It's hilarious how fucked we are.
>>2789402>>2789419Here's how you access this world:>Go to school for archaeology / anthropology / world religion>spent the next 6 years planning out every meticulous detail and $ number value required to make an expedition into the remote amazon>recieve grant money or participate in existing grant-funded research>go do it with the intent of publishing completely opinion-free objective observations. leave your personal feelings about human history out of it. otherwise you've got nothing to work with that will put you in any official context to explore these sites or publish any form of observations on them.sucks, but adulthood is understanding that, like it or not, wealthy entities and people with expensive pieces of paper are the ones who are actually going and doing meaningful intellectual work and getting paid for it. you have to pass through a filter of bullshit in order to hold the actual authority to have any form of intellectual freedom or ownership of your work.you can spend your whole life researching this for fun and publishing books on it. it'll be fun, fun to read, etc, but your life's work will be nullified the MOMENT someone with a degree shows up and publishes even slight lazy official research on it. they'll get away with dismissive, opinionated conclusions and speculations while you get laughed at for thinking you've got any authority to have persona opinions or speculation on it. You will be publically mocked by archaeologists who have not and will not step foot near these sites. this goes for all fields of science, academia is a racket. you have to want that end-game life of being a well-funded independent researcher, otherwise it's wasted time. ultimately, archaeology as a rule will dictate that you don't disturb any of this stuff at all without extensive SA govt. presence, poltiics and indigienous activism will get in your wa, yand this will all remain unresearched for decades.
>>2789443That's not true anymore. Today with the Internet random YouTube celebrities are now considered more credible than anyone with degrees and funding. If some complete nobody with a little backpacking experience saved up for plane tickets and made a video showing the inside of some Amazonian temple he would get millions of views and inform everyone's opinion meanwhile the college grad would be completely ignored. That's how the world works today. Especially after the COVID fiasco nobody gives a shit what scientific institutions think anymore.
>>2789419>We're all going to die anywayImagine being this cucked. JFC
>>2789416Is it true that teflon can contribute to it?
>>2789453because the way trump and biden handled covid was a complete joke.It still spread even when we did all the procedures and they couldnt even figure out what they wanted to saywhen it first hit they said>it survives on any surface>it survives direct sunligjt>it survives deep heating and freezingand then they completely back tracked on it a year later and said different things. and liberals tried to keep everyone scared>THERE'S A HECKING NEW STRAINit's now the equivalent of the flu at this pointand more people got sick post vaccine than pre.that's just some of the reason no one trusts academics now
>>2789453>Today with the Internet random YouTube celebrities are now considered more credible than anyone with degrees and funding. If some complete nobody with a little backpacking experience saved up for plane tickets and made a video showing the inside of some Amazonian temple he would get millions of views and inform everyone's opinion meanwhile the college grad would be completely ignored.and then arrested by the brazilian government>>2789443>>Go to school for archaeology / anthropology / world religion>>spent the next 6 years planning out every meticulous detail and $ number value required to make an expedition into the remote amazon>>recieve grant money or participate in existing grant-funded research>>go do it with the intent of publishing completely opinion-free objective observations. leave your personal feelings about human history out of it.the irony is you have to do this, while also having a savant youtube channel where you give out all your psuedo and real research for FREE and lgbt nigger jew aids anal sex friendly at the same time while doing a basedjak face to 10 neil degrasse tyson tier documentary you made yourselfacademia is not about teaching a middle class anymore, but filtering for savant slaves that the upper tier fruitcake women and cringe incel schizo working men can milk you for your work at an absolute pittance
>>2789453>YouTube celebrities are now considered more credible than anyone with degreesonly if you drink the kool-aid of retardation
>>2789496>only if you drink the kool-aid of retardationonly if you drink the koolaid the US government isn't stealing your taxes to kill you and your children and your childrens' childrenI never had better archaeology lectures than going on youtube and getting a full rundown of native americans
>>2789500What flavor was it?
>>2789494>and then arrested by the brazilian governmentmost of the amazon is unexplored you fucking retard
>>2789512>most of the amazon is unexplored you fucking retardok then go explore it and make a youtube video, but don't come crying to me when interpol arrests you for desecrating some aztec toilet
>>2789487The entire medical community went along with the hoax. People who went through college indoctrination cannot be trusted.
>>2789487Unfortunately, this is a dangerously radical opinion and you need to be silenced.
>>2789402Yes, put the money together, buy the equipment and fly down. Simple.
>>2789407This anon gets itHigher education is designed to ensure advancement in history or technology is almost impossible within the system. Ghastline Maxwell's das published college science books for decades to make sure what you learned lead to dead ends. Why do you think straight white males with high IQs opt out of higher education? It's obviously a waste of time which is why it's now dominated by midwits and woman.
>>2789411You don't get tenyear for being smart, you get it because you parrot the narrative. The purpose of education hasn't been education in decades: it's to enforce subservience to authority and to punish questions that go against approved right think.
>>2789555tenure*
>>2789555It's only because of the department of education and this country can't stop to think about the children for 5 years without screeching they will fall behind internationally on being an international goy rather than seeing the strengths of domestic USAI just started posting some general appealing out shorts to seed a yt channel and all my viewers are 65+ and 55+ .. 2000 views of 65 year olds? wtf... they act like there are children but all the parents are hostages in a concentration camp, amish people will outperform a muttified race of gay cancer patientsWe need to destroy the department of education, we might be "competing" on international charts but only because the "expert" stats people are lying and skewing on every chart in favor of holocaust believers, meanwhile china can train 500000 real human beings to be expert programmers when they aren't hinderedThey should just flush every school in the USA and restart from scratch.. they already emptied most of the tech labs and everything is sitting in the backroomsA good 90% of teachers are complicit in circumcision and mutilation of men and even women, I now realize after k-3rd year of college after that crap how twisted some of them really wereThey want 2nd year undergrads to perform 10 year PhD miracles now to get their degree or dance to the tune of gay faggot anal beads, instead of just letting people learn their field..
>>2789453citizen science is literally just ecelebs doing scientific work the hardest possible way and making sure the college they got kicked out of / couldn't afford knows they're trying really hard to not sound mad about it.I spent years thinking mycology was some super secret underground genius thing, i drank the koolaid thinking i was gonna be the only one doing certain work in that field because all i ever heard about it was what the citizen science scene was doing. DNA sequencing new fungi! so cool! turns out land grant universities do this work for free, in large volume, very quickly for dozens of much more meaningful professions where nobody gives a fuck about the fungi other than disease. it's a great way to get follows on instagram, but whatever science you're doing, whatever experiments you think you're running, don't mean shit, and will never have the utopian impact you think you're going to have. no large group of people is going to adopt any new techniques or methods you develop, nothing you say will be applied or taken seriously until someone has done a university study and published a peer-reviewed paper.You have to pay to play. INFILTRATE the systems and sciences you think are shit and CHANGE THEM THROUGH YOUR ACTIONS, otherwise you're a manchild redditor who will ALWAYS be percieved as having a chip on your shoulder for not being taken at face value and wasting a bunch of time pretending to do sciencenone of this matters because anon isn't going to leave his computer and put in the work either way, nobody is going to let you go dig these sites without extensive university and SA govt. support.
>>2789727Science is fake
I'd be too scared of coming across a still intact tribe operating there who worshipped an awakened eldritch being
>>2789784It isn't--just modern over the counter pop science is 99% bullshit propaganda pushed by midwits and corporations.>>2789562The purpose of the department of education is not to educate. If you send your kids to public school you don't love them.>>2789727>Citizen science isn't e-celebsIt isn't--you just don't know any actual scientists not part of the system or grifting off of it.College is specifically designed to ensure you drive hard into a dead end. Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad, Robert, created Pergamon Publishing that sold text books to colleges written to make actually learning hard sciences nearly impossible and full of dead ends and antiquated knowledge.Don't ask permission. Don't worry about publishing in (((Journals))) and ignore the shills trying to put you and your work down. The closer you are to the truth the harder they will try to undermine you.
>>2789811Science is literally just people believing authority figures who make whatever claims they are paid to make. It's bigger bullshit than religion and I say that as an atheist.
>>2789946Science is a process to verify or invalidate the confidence of assumptions describing recurring phenomena. It is an extension of philosophy based in epistemology and axiomatic logic.If you think science is about submitting to authority figures than you're mistaking propaganda and fallacious logic with actual science.I give zero shits what religion you are at all--you believe in zero god, that's no different than poly or monotheism you're just more dishonest about it.
>>2789971Name one single scientific fact you believe in. I fucking guarantee you you just read about it somewhere and believed it without seeing or experiencing it yourself because you were conditioned to view the source as credible. That is all science is for 99% of the population. They could start teaching us we evolved from pigs, hire science fiction authors to come up with a credible explanation, and we would all believe it.
>>2789972I need you to read my post about college science and what it's designed to do than apologize for not understanding anything I've said.>>2789811>College is specifically designed to ensure you drive hard into a dead end. Ghislaine Maxwell's Dad, Robert, created Pergamon Publishing that sold text books to colleges written to make actually learning hard sciences nearly impossible and full of dead ends and antiquated knowledge.The fact that you're using a computer on the internet is a result of science. If you don't believe in the substrate of science, nonmatter how misguided it is in current year, than stop using computers and go door to door telling people their smartphones are a lie and the internet is a lie--that's what you sound like to me.
>>2789416Even science can't beat money.
>>2789972Everyone should answer something like photosynthesis, antibiotics, heliocentric solar system or globe theory because this question is exactly why you were forced to recreate all that in school. We had a biotechnology labratory and used it to recreate simple genetical manipulations which made us 'believe' in 11th grade biology.Of course one of the first things you learn in every natural science course is that we don't do truths, only best possible explanations considering the evidence we have access to at the moment. You're always free to craft a different explaination that works better, gain evidence and then get a lot of shit and fight for it for decades until most collegues adapt it years after your death because it really proved to work better. If we don't want 'works better' means nothing but pay better shortterm that's a political problem though. There's also a lot of scientific theories on that.
>>2789977>need you to read my post about college science and what it's designed to do than apologize for not understanding anything I've said.Irrelevant. That isn't the role science plays in real life for most people.>The fact that you're using a computer on the internet is a result of science.No. Computers, much like cars and every other technological wonder of our time, is the product of introverted geniuses tinkering in their garages, followed by market pressure-fueled evolution and sophistication facilitated by population density. "Scientists" have accomplished very little by comparison. The most important people in the past century largely didn't even go to college.
>>2790015>photosynthesis, antibiotics, heliocentric solar system or globe theoryYou literally have no ability to observe any of that unless you're employed in specific fields or have just spent shit tons of money on research equipment. 99% of people who believe these things could just as easily have been persuaded otherwise.
>>2789946science != scientism
>>2790028A cat testing the traction of a surface he plans to leap from with one paw is science.
>>2790028Science is inextricably linked with authority.
>>2789417Those are two different types of people. It's like saying there are tons of fast food employees, so why is it so hard for me to find a brain surgeon.I assume you're young, which is why you don't get this, but Brazil is a very dangerous country, particularly so in rural provinces, like Amazonas, which is where you'd be trekking.
>>2789972>Name one single scientific fact you believe in2+2=4
>>2790053What, is some manlet going to come after me with a dull machete? Honestly the only thing I would be afraid of are venomous spiders and snakes but I feel like those are fairly easy to avoid with preparation and common sense.
>>2790068The Amazonian stuff is news to me, but I did exactly what you are planning in Central America a few years back. I located 2 Mayan pyramid complexes which had been visited but not explored. To be honest, the most fun part was reading through volumes of academic literature to try and find the actual locations of these places, because academics speak in code to prevent looters/ne'erdowells like yourself from finding them. You can probably access the lidar data online, but you'd need to be a GIS pro to locate anything. I was able to locate my sites by piecing together vague clues like "3 km up from the confluence of 2 major rivers...". You need fairly exact coordinates because there is zero visibility in these places; that means you will not see a Tikal-sized pyramid until you are practically standing at its base. You will not want to grid the jungle when you are dying of heatstroke.As I said, the research was the fun part. Actually hiking through the jungle is as shitty as you read about in old books. It looks fun in the movies, where they can hack through a jungle and still look good. You think "I've got pretty good upper body strength, so there's nothing stopping me if I have a machete, right?" Then after 4 monotonous hours of hacking your way through a monoculture of cane and thorny vines, you can no longer raise your right arm, you are covered in ticks and bleeding from all exposed skin, courting heatstroke and facing the very scary reality that you are out of water and sweating a liter an hour, and you may die here.If you can follow a river, which is what I ended up doing, it is much easier going but presents more logistical challenges, not least of which is crocodiles.All of the above took place in a part of the world where mosquitoes only carried nothing worse than botfly larvae, and there was only 1 type of poisonous snake. In the Amazon I can't even imagine.
>>2790073Finally, If you try anything like this, buy a Hennessy brand Jungle Explorer hammock, the one with the mosquito-proof bottom. It's the best feeling in the world to be safe and dry inside one of these after a day defined by rain and ticks.For research purposes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8rn_fni3rk
>>2790073Fucking wicked
>>2790020Holy fuck you're absolutely retarded.Yes, computers are absolutely the end result of the scientific process you disingenuous piece of pulpal spilling garbage.
>>2790031Marxisim is a mental disorder and you have a bad case of it. Science is founded in replicability you disingenuous piece of shit. It is founded on the process that ANYONE can verify something.
You can just run out there but there's nothing to see. Everything is two meters underground and can't be excavated by hand because of the dense jungle. And it's a common misconception that LIDAR is showing something buried. It's showing the differential, often just between two types of soil. A wooden wall was built in a tench, burned down, filled 4 soil stratas with charcoal. Rather than a "wall" the lidar is showing a line of charcoal.Or sometimes it's a run of packing material under a wall that no longer exists, stone ruins are often striped for the quarried stone the second they are abandoned, what remains today is just a buried square of compacted soil. Yes you will find buried structures, but you'd spend two days digging and find the top of a wall. Tourists often break into ongoing archaeological dig sites, fuck everything up, steal trinkets that seriously damage the dig site, publish photos which are then stolen by achedemic groups who didn't fund the dig. Why not just go to Laos where there are Khmer temples above the surface, many are deserted, the other tourists are all at the Angkor watt.
>>2790166Imagine how much history has been devoured by forests or is buried under mountains.When portable neutrino tomography becomes a reality (if humanity survives the jewish cancer) I only regret that probably all the posters on /x/ will be long gone because a large portion of them would be sain' "fuckin told you so"
>>2790181That pic is a meme. Many mountains look like pyramids at the top. Underneath the ice that mountain is probably much less symmetrical.
>>2790073Saved your post, thanks.I grew up practicing survival in the Appalachians for years. I know all about heat stroke and dehydration and mosquitoes and snakes and not being able to see a damn thing until you're right on top of it and I've also beaten the living shit out of people who threatened me. I'll be as fine as anyone. I wouldn't bring anything as large and specialized as a machete either.
>>2790075I already use a hammock tent as my go-to in any region with trees. Weight and bugs are both gay so it's just common sense.
>>2790161No. They're the inevitable consequence of population density. You get enough specialization to make life easy and boring eventually a creature capable of creating a computer will do so.
>>2790162Is that why un-reproducable results dominate scientific dogma in every field?
>>2790166Because the rainforest looks cool.
>>2789416this is a huge problem in modern science and achademia, those inside the system cant allow anything new to come out and change the view point of a given subject, or all the work they and their mentors did could be seen as outdated or outright wrong, that means no more funding. Thats not how science is supposed to work, but how it is working in its current state.
>>2789977look dude, i get what you're saying. but you the understanding of why people hate modern science went over your head.lets once again use covid as an example.the scientists who made the vaccine for covid didn't even follow proper protocol for vaccinationsthey didn't ensure that it would eradicate covid they instead rushed it which caused it to mutate. The main issue people have with modern science is that most scienist are willing to dismiss things with the maturity level of a child (like Neil degrasse tyson for example) only to turn around and admit they were wrong years later. Many scientists have said that aliens cant possibly exist. Which is silly. All of the reputable scientists(the ones that are still alive since they're all so old) literally say things along the line of "idk it could be possible" and don't get any shit thrown at them all because of their title. Meanwhile the younger scientists have called something like this temples found in the amazon pseudo science for years. Hell, the temples themselves are an excellent example of what's wrong with modern science. LIDAR has been around for ages and we barely discovered these temples in the 2020s because a group of scientists kept saying it wasn't possible.You have 0 idea what you're talking about with critiques on the scientific community. The scientific community focuses more on publishing half ass papers than they do on making actual discovers like the thread subject or making actual advancements. Scientists nowadays are sadly fixated on whether or not a transwoman is really a woman. What's holding science back in terms of advancement is the understanding of what pseudo science means and not "IT MEANS IT'S NOT HECKING REAL"because if you told a scientist 20 years ago that in 20 years we'd discover ancient temples in the amazon they would have called you crazy instead of being humble and saying "it's possible"
>>2790215(me)>"IT MEANS IT'S NOT HECKING REAL"and when you ask them why they think it's not realmanylike niel degrasse tyson will say something along the lines of>"Because i said so">"well i haven't seen it and i'm a scientist therefore it's not real">"it hasn't been proven or observed by scientists there fore it's not real"which 20 years ago no one observed amazonian temples.so i guess these aren't real and are pseudo science. Unless all the scientists that said something like this isn't possible come out and apologize which they wont because most of them are self-absorbed tenured assholes.
>>2789418Alright, I already wanted to go there. You don't have to sell me on it!
>>2790218scientists even call teh alcubierre drive pseudo science even though the guy wrote out a whole equation and actual theory on how it could work.Instead half the science community thinks it's stupid and the other half simply thinks the technology just isn't there yetthat's another prime example of how bad modern science is. Imagine spending 3 days straight formulating an equation compounded with a theory having some basis of proven science in math only to be called crazy by a bunch of autistic ego driven shitheads
>>2790073You are literally Indiana Jones. I trust you took pictures, Indie?
>>2790073How likely am I to get myself into trouble if I try this in the Yucatán Peninsula?
>>2790063underrated and unreplied to post lol
>>2789402You will either get beheaded by drug cartels or impaled with arrows by indigenous tribes.
>>2790063
>>2789402There's a reason the amazon rainforest is largely untouched and it's not because of government regulations or existing tribes still in or nearby it.
>>2789411it wont beI checked out an archaeology journal in 2019 once and a quarter of the articles were in relation to lidaracademia loves this stuff because its cheap and provides reproducible results, the alternative is begging a grant committee to give you a budget of 80,000 dollars (all they have left in the fund) so you can spend 5 months on a site you started work on 30 years ago
>>2789727It's amazing to read this as a 40-year-old guy, the mindset is a combination of energy that young people have, twisted by growing up with social media.To look at science through the lense of getting famous while "they" try to prevent you from doing so instead of thinking about how much boring work you have to do with low salary - holy fucking shit, nobody would even dream of this back in the day.
>>2789407Sounds like you've been indocrinated by big science fiction.
>>2789453Except the site most likely looks like nothing and most midwits would just see a bunch of hills. Most of the amazinv sites that idiots on youtube visit and use as clout to talk shit about archeologists were already excuvated by the archeologists they're talking shit about. Gullible dumbfucks (you) lap it up because it makes them fell smart as if they're getting in on some secret (they're not, every normie watches this nonsense) and releases dopamine the same way watching Lord of the Rings releases dopamine, because both are fantasys.
>>2791092This thread is full of people who were told by Graham Hancock that aecheologists are bad and trying to hide something from them. Litterally a guy who makes millions off netflix and books talking shit about big archeology, but won't drop a cent on any real research to prove his nonsense. Its netflix ffs, you beleive netflix lmao.
>>2791153i believe you.tell me nowwhat is?
>>2790215What you're complaining about isn't science. The only thing that went over my head about what you tried to conflate is absolutely nothing.You don't know what science is and are pretending Jew run academia and corporate marketing campaigns are science and they aren't and never will be.Science isn't about authority it's about rigorous replicability.You're conflating corporate lies with science and they aren't the same thing and never will be.
>>2790220I'm not going to agree or disagree with the drive tech but most people get the progress of science totally wrong.Science doesn't progress because teams of researchers study problems for decades to solve them--that is technology.Science progresses because one or two dudes create something so revolutionary and beyond the scope of what is normal at the time that everyone calls them crazy and mocks them for years or decades until their predictions are so undeniable that main steam science is forced to accept it or someone figures out how to make a shit ton of money off of it.When Eugene Parker predicted the solar wind everyone called him a nutter.When Semmelweis told doctors to wash their hands they told him to fuckoff When Boltzmann said gasses were little atoms bouncing around they Institutionalized himThis is the norm. Scientists later work in corporate labs to make the technology later and everyone pretends they didn't mock the original idea haver.
it's crazy how much damage popscience has done. you got retards believing anything written in a news article without question and retards who think neil de grass is the spokesperson of the scientific community somehowno one gives a shit about actual science. and yes academia is ass becuse it's full of college kids that didn't know what to do after finishing their degree and stayed in their comfort zone that doesn't mean you can dismiss the entire scientific concensus because some nutter on twitter said something that sounds smart and owns the libs
>>2791182>>2791197you're retarded
>>2789402I believe in you. I have thought the same thing, and the fucked up truth is that either nobody with money gives a shit or the land is marked to be logged and flattened, and the logs are worth more than the archaeological value. Natives and villagers probably stripped anything not attached to the floor a long time ago, so you'd most likely be exploring empty ruins (still cool) rather than finding an ayylien crystal skull. I feel like the best way to do it for real would be to assemble a team of people, make them all sound as credible as possible, then pitch the idea to Amazon as a TV show or get an internet celebrity to sponsor you. You could probably get decent funding from a well-organised GoFundMe if you capitalise on the idea that they will likely be looted and destroyed now that people know where they are, and that they'll be bulldozed to log the surrounding forest. I think you could probably say some shit like "we'll save the forest and the history of this amazing place if we can just get there and document it!" I'll go with you, fuck it. We will just have to get guns somehow to stop ourselves getting Lost City of Z-ed
>>2791199>Everyone who disagrees with me is the same person You got issues, child >>2791197The mass exodus of white males from academia is a tribute to their ability to recognize bullshit artists and grifters. No wonder globohomo hates straight whites so much: they're not falling for their lies anymore.>The tappening
>>2789403what would you achieve with that? even if you manage yo get out there and find some ruins, you'd stumble around them for a bit, shoot some pics and fuck off again. you won't discover anything new or important that way.the problem is not to get there, but to do meaningful work. you need to establish a good access path, haul in a base camp, tools, provisions, bring in workers, then remove the treecover and start excavating the structures that have been swallowed by the jungle for 5 centuries. its years of work and the conditions are really fucking miserable.it's not about the manpower, it's about the funding. find something between 6 and 7 figures to throw into it and you'll get a bunch of archeologists who would be happy to take care of the paperwork, organize the dig and publish on it. we get all these new discoveries with LIDAR, because flying a drone around is incredibly cheap and efficient compared to boots on the ground
>>2789418*happy British noises*
>>2791377>You won't discover anything new by exploring>Logistics works just like I imagine it, no one else can imagine a better method for logistics than I can>The only good science is the expensive science backed by massive funding sources>But drones and Lidar are cheap but that isn't the same as being there If you aren't jewish you argue just like one.Everything you said is contrary to the reality of many of the most important scientific discoveries ever made.The modern jewish myth is that good science is expensive. It isn't now nor has it ever been--technology manufacture is expensive and that isn't the same as scientific discovery.
>>2790219I like you.No homo.
>>2791377>flying a drone [with LIDAR] around is incredibly cheap and efficientWhat kind of setup is viable for a hobbyist? There's supposedly the foundation of a long-forgotten house buried in the woods nearby and one of my go-to hiking areas has loads of abandoned oil, gas, and logging structures from ~100 years ago.
>>2791524you can buy a lidar drone online for ~12,000 USD, listings may varyits cheap compared to traditional method, which is usually bribing a local to show you the cool ruins he found on his local drug running routethen finding 4-5 other people willing to carry food and water through dense jungle in order to trespass on said drug running routethe alternative to this is reading primary sources (aka spanish colonial diaries) hoping to find a hit
>>2791476the moment you touch a potentially history-changing archaeology site without highly paid professional workers, you're just some asshole destroying otherwise preserved history. also i don't think you people understand quite how inhospitable the Amazon is. you are being digested, there is a fixed amount of time you can be in the remote amazon before you die or need to leave. if you want to trust that to your own budgeting and planning, i'm sure you can, but you will probably die. instead of rushing into this, maybe go through the proper channels and get paid a shitload of money to do this kind of work the safest and most professional kind of way with the knowledge and support of US and local assets
>>2791722>You people >Archeology works the way I say it works because I say so>I'm also an expert on tropical rain forests >Just trust the experts>Good science is expensive If you say so Moshi
>>2791476>If you aren't jewish you argue just like onenah, not a smallhat tribe member. just living inna jungle and been in the amazon.I'm pretty comfortable where I am, but the amazon is a whole different ball game. I can do two or three months and then I'm ready to gtfo. it's hot an humid. you start sweating and theres thousands of mosquitos trying to eat you. you wade through some water, theres 20 leeches on your legs. wanna make a fire to dry some things and keep the insects away? all the wood is wet. wanna wash your clothes? they wont dry. youve got to put them on wet and dry them with body heat. anything you bring will mold, even plastic. electronics? question of when they'll fail, not if. access to remote sites is riverboat or helicopter only. the boat can take days or weeks to get there. if you get bit by a snake, get straph infection, break a bone, you're really fucking screwed. that said, if you are incredible stubborn, you could probably pull off finding and digging up a structure or two with only a couple thousand in funding. don't be surprised if all you find is pottery shards, charcoal and bones though.
>>2791736I once met an anthropologist in Portugal that made her entire career studying teeth. Surprising how much she figured out by studying them even more surprising is she got paid to do it.There is a book called the Forest People by Colin Turnbull about his studies of Pygmies in the Amazon. It talked about, in part, navigation in deep tropical rainforests. He didn't have a GPS or lidar.No one was ever successful who gave up before ever even trying.
>>2791759yeah, those are people who have dedicated their career to these things and got the proper education and training. not someone asking on a tibetian cairn kicking forum how to go out into some of the most hostile environments on the planet and do hard archeology work as a noob
I bet there are remote tribes of White people out there
>>2792034yakubians
>>2791726nobody is gonna stop you, go do it. but don't have any illusions about being anything but a history enthusiast who damaged some history and likely defiled a sacred site. Locals will probably want you more dead than usual for defiling their history in such a halfassed way. You'll do it for free as well unless you're making money from the social media clicks and e-begging. nobody is gonna stop you, go do it.
>>2789402I don't know if there's anything specific to this part of the Amazon, but check this out:https://www.archaeological.org/programs/professionals/fieldwork/fieldwork-list/I've looked at quite a few of the listings and a bunch seem to require no experience. You may want to cook up some sort of cover letter that's relevant to outdoors/archaeology stuff though because you're probably competing with archaeology students working on their PhDs.
