What outdoor survivalist and bushman would you take advice from /out/?
>>2791375Les or Les.
Alternatively Les.
>>2791375None that you can find online. 99% of them are larpers, and the 1% are the ones I haven't found yet.Also>You sweat you dieis bullcrap. It's only somewhat valid in weather around the freezing point, where minor changes in temperature (such as moving from the north side of a hill to the south side) result in large changes in humidity, causing you to lose heat quickly. In warm temperatures, sweating is absolutely necessary (surpising, isn't it?) and in really cold weather, it doesn't matter since the sweat won't evaporate and will just make you uncomfortable until you can change clothes.And no matter the temperature, if you're wearing proper clothing (=wool or fur), normal amounts of sweat will evaporate slowly and before soaking the material.
>>2791415>if you're wearing proper clothing (=wool or fur)
>>2791418Even a synthetic base layer will breathe
>>2791415Nothing you said makes any sense.
>>2791426Well except the part about sweat being necessary in warm weather. My apologies.
>>2791415>in really cold weather, it doesn't matter since the sweat won't evaporate andholy shit this one of the more retarded comments i've rad on this board and thats saying something.
>>2791415how confidently you say this makes your post even funnier.
>>2791375Profuse sweater, here.Still alive.
Mors, a real outdoorsman, not some kind of TV personality
>>2791375The point is to at least attempt to stay dry in a survival situation. Obviously, in extreme cold, this becomes more important, but even in warm weather, staying dry is a good idea, since dampness can lead to rashes, infections, rotting flesh, etc. Just stay dry.
>>2791450>t. failed physics classGuess I'll fill in for your lack of education:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mollier.pdfEvaporation slows down the colder it gets. At -10 °C, it's already only about 1/5 of the speed at 0°C even in 0% humidity. Add to that that in colder temperatures, it's normally more humid, and you get even slower evaporation. It doesn't go down to zero, but the evaporation and the cooling effect you get from it become neglible around -15 to -20 °C.
>>2791415In really cold weather the sweat will dry off you since cold air is extremely dry.
>>2791415>You sweat you die is bullcrap as long as you mitigate against it
>>2792578>t.never actually been out in cold weatheryup. When its 15°f with 20mph winds and I am all sweaty from cross country skiing- I just take off my jacket and let my body just air dry, hypothermia is your friend.
>>2792499I still wouldn't like sweat to freeze on my clothes
>>2792499>I'll fill in for your lack of education>no shit sherlockI was refering to this>>2791415>in really cold weather, it doesn't matterbecause being wet matters even more in cold weather. It doesnt take much sweat to develop into a hypothermia situation which can be deadly.
>>2791415>picture is of a guy wrapped up in winter>OMG THIS ADVICE DOESNT MAKE SENSE IN SUMMER
>>2791375What a goof.
Shit for most of the year where I'm at you are going to be drenched in sweat within five minutes of going outside kek.
>>2791415>It's only valid in the context he was talking aboutftty
>>2791485I've made coffee a few times by boiling it like he shows. Came out pretty decent and its a handy way of doing it in the bush.
>>2791485Based. I have that book sitting on a book shelf in front of me.
>>2791375Les is pretty solid, shame he doubled down on all the bigfoot conspiracy bullshit.
>>2795258weird shit exists in this world, i've seen unexplainable ufos, a spooky ghost, and would hear stuff like rocks being thrown (where there literally couldn't have been such a thing)at least bigfoot is more believable than the Govt. only having our best interests
>>2795258that makes him even more based
>>2792499>in colder temperatures, it's normally more humidMaybe in your third world shithole where "colder temperatures" coincide with the monsoon season.
>>2791375got stuck in freezing rain wearing all flannel the other day. it sucks
>>2795251describe the process, please?
>>2795272>Norway is a third-world shithole nowLet me guess, american education?I'd link you to the h-x-diagram again, but I doubt you'd understand it. Don't have crayons around either, so let's see if I can explain this in words in a way you understand. Who knows, maybe reddit spacing will help:humidity tells you not how muchw ater there is in the air, but how close you are to the air not taking on any more water.The colder it gets, the less water there can be in the air.That's why in the spring and autumn, there'll be dew in the mornings: it's the water that condensated over night. That amount of water is removed from the air, giving you drier air during the day.In winter, at temps a bit below freezing, this removal no longer works. I'd explain why,but again, I'm out of crayons...As a result, the amount of water in the air stays nearly constant between day and night, giving constant high humidity.
>>2792579Finally, someone who gets it. Don't be an idiot, and you won't die outdoors.>>2792578>cold air is extremely dryThat's about as wrong as you can get. Cold air is generally near 100% humidity, since miniscule amounts of water will already bring it there.What is dry is somewhat cold air that gets warmed by your body. For example, if it goes from 0C to 5C, you'll go from 100% to 80%, which will cool you down and might give you hypothermia.However, if you go from -30 to -25, it'll just to from 100% to ~98%, barely make any sweat evaporate and not have any noticeable cooling effect.The sweat will still reduce the insulation value of your clothing, so if you're wearing cotton, you're in for a bad time. But with wool, fur or any decent synthetics, you'll be fine.>>2793365>15f>cold weatherThat's a nice autumn day here.>>2794567Neither do I, but it won't kill you.>>2794586>t. pretends to understand stuff he clearly doesn'tSweat will give you hypothermia in somewhat cold weather, but not in really cold weather. At least not by evaporation, and not by conduction either unless you're wearing cotton or linen.>>2794709>t. didn't readIt may make sense in autumn, or winter somewhere in the south. But not in a winter that deserves the name.>>2795250>It's only valid in the context he was talking about>OP literally not providing any contextYou a mind reader?
>>2791375I like his wild harvest videos Les Kinoman
>>2795292https://youtu.be/QX91Nj0uItIUnedited coffee making for you.
>>2795296>You a mind reader?Clearly you think you are since you had to opine without knowing the context. Maybe you should have looked it up before running your mouth?
>>2795296>That's a nice autumn day here.>windchill still below zerooh cool. wow. you are special. >>2795296>but not in really cold weatherlol. ok.
>>2791375>"You sweat you die."this is only true if your clothing set up is bad
>>2791375Les is a retard. See: Bigfoot marketing meme
>>2795377Well then you're not really in a survival situation if youre prepared.
Survival shit is 99% larp even for regular /out/doorsmen.
>>2795440Well yeah how often do you find yourself lost in the bush or trekking through uncharted territory? Survival shit is when when you need to survive.
>>279544099% of survival is common sense and being prepared.
>>2795440Yeah nobody ever needs to survive
>>2791415Have you considered not being an autistic contrarian about every random topic you come across?
>>2795295As long as the humidity is below 100%, water will still evaporate. Especially if said water is warm, like sweat.
if you layer yourself in garbage bags, the moisture cannot escape/evaporate you stay warmer
Can someone with actual cold weather experience please clear this up? Do you dry out in cold weather (let's say, -20°C and lower), assuming you just wear normal breathable clothes for the temperature and got a little sweaty?
>>2796127Not really. Most decent modern winter wear will wick the sweat away from you as much as it can but you're still going to be sweaty and your underclothes will be damp depending on how much you sweat. If you're stuck out in the bush and and NEED to dry off completely then youll need a fire.
>>2792499Yes, but because it isnt -10 at your skin boundary and it is -10 at the outer boundary of your insolation layers then water is evaporating off your skin and condensing and freezing in your insulation. Being wet has a detrimental effect on basically all insulation. Even wool is not as warm when wet and has the added characteristic of being hard to dry. Your ability to dry clothes is limited at cold temperatures. In the long run you need to keep the rate at which you wet clothes below the rate at which you can dry them. It's easy to get things wet when it is cold because of snow so shedding layers to avoid sweating is a necessary skill for any extended cold weather outdoors excursion. Ps I cant belive I waited more than 15 mins to post this. Why the fuck does the email verification not work?
>>2796127When I worked in the oil fields in North Dakota in -30F to -40F degree weather everybody changed into dry socks during their first break to get the morning sweat off of their feet and keep warm. If you kept the same socks on all day your feet got really cold and hurt pretty bad. If you wore boots that were too warm for your activity level your feet got sweaty and then very cold. Construction workers and hunters in cold regions share advice about sweat management and layering. I have never heard anyone in real life in a cold environment suggest that cold weather dries sweat off of your body.
>>2796157>>2796158>>2796214So what I take from this is that full drying of worn clothes during very cold weather is at least very hampered, if not perhaps entirely impossible.
>>2796332You wouldn't really even try it unless you had a separate pair of clothes to put on anyway. If some idiot was standing in the wind and cold in a sweaty shirt to "dry it off" I would think he's a crazy idiot. You'd chill yourself way faster than your shirt would ever dry.
>>2795337>looking up some guys random fantasyI'd rather spend that time outdoors, but you do you.>>2795469Yeah, so? That doesn't change that a. once the local humidity is 100%, it won't evaporate b. local humidity will reach 100% much quicker in older temps and c. due to the linear driving force approach being valid for the water / water vapor system, evaporation will get slower the closer you get to 100%.What this means in result is tat the amount of heat your sweat leeches from you gets lower and lower the colder it gets. Or in simple terms: sweating won't give you hypothermia past a certain temperature. Where that temperature is exactly will vary depending on your base metabolic rate, skin surface and the clothes you're wearing, but it'll be around -20°C +-10.>>2796214>I have never heard anyone in real life in a cold environment suggest that cold weather dries sweat off of your body.Nice to see I'm not the only one here who actually goes out.>If you wore boots that were too warm for your activity level your feet got sweaty and then very cold.That's why synthetic insulation sucks. Wool and fur adjust their insulation properties to some extent depending on moisture, so when they're just slightly to warm, the sweat will make them insulate less before they're fully soaked.>>2796158>Even wool is not as warm when wetAnd how's that supposed to be a bad thing? Assuming you're wearing a rain-proof top layer (or it's so cold that the rain is solid anyways) and don't fall into a pond, the only wetness you're going to get is sweat. When you sweat, you're too warm, so reducing insulation is exactly what you want. The rate of reduction just has to be reasonable, which is the case with wool.I've had a few times where I came home after working in the woods, would take off my pullover and realize it was soaked through. You seriously don't notice that, because the loss of insulation is so small that your body heat makes up for it easily.
>>2796342>When you sweat, you're too warm, so reducing insulation is exactly what you want. You're not considering the fact that your level of activity will vary. Be active - get sweaty - be static - get cold.>I came home after working in the woods, would take off my pullover and realize it was soaked throughYou'd be talking differently if you had to spend the night outdoors after that day.
