Southwest chads... we win
>>2792063AZ also has a huge amount of State Trust land. It's not exactly public, you need some kind of permit, but that's good because it gatekeeps the yahoos. For example, you can go on ST land if you're a licensed hunter in pursuit of game.
>>2792063now show state owned land
You do have to include state forests and park systems to be fair. The southwest still mogs nonetheless
Only issue is it’s getting expensive out there. Wouldn’t recommend it for poors
>>2792296The expensive parts aren't worth living in if you're /out/-minded anyway.
>>2792552The most out and rural/secluded places in the SW are all $100,000 an acre or more. Unless you want to live in some juniper forest or HOA shithole in NM.
>>2792635>Unless you want to live in some juniper forestisnt that the best place to live?
>>2792643No. Probably the shittiest biome to live in next to hot or cold open desert.-High elevation UVs with no canopy cover.-deep water table-30% or more lower average precipitation versus a normal ponderosa pine forest-junipers are all giant shrubs that block views, have no canopy cover, make the air drier and hotter than pine forests, grow extremely slow (10 ft in 50 years), are a pain in the ass to remove, prevent other canopy trees from growing and most useful berry shrubs from growing near them.
>>2792645Nearly forgot, the only honorable true juniper is the alligator juniper, and open forests of alligator juniper and pinyon and oaks mostly only occurs in central AZ. Everywhere else is shitty giant shrub junipers (mostly one seed).
>>2792645>biomelolthe only thing ill give you is the water table (although i dont know if that is true or not), but here i just see people using water tanks because its 10x easierjuniper is just better imo because they look nice and smell nice and the mushrooms and animals you get there are nice
>>2792668Juniper forest is a valid biome description, it is biological life zone that is dominated by junipers. And for the reasons I mentioned, it sucks ass compared with any real canopy forest biome. Juniper forest is a bit of an oxymoron if the dominant species is anything other than alligator juniper, because they completely lack tree canopies. They are exclusively shrub "forests" but with a shittier climate than other shrub zones like much more diverse chaparral. That's why they are so cheap, you've seen one you've seen them all.
>>2792672>you've seen one you've seen them allMuch like your posts
>>2792675The only thing juniper shrubland anons can do is cope on their poor mans shitty land and drive tens of miles to real forests.
>>2792643>>2792645It entirely depends on the state. In new Mexico, juniper dominated land is often just one step above the high plains. But in utah? Juniper dominated biomes are at the same elevations as the best of canyon country; cedar mesa, Wingate, entrada, all of the rock layers that make some of the most fantastic landscapes in the country are solidly in the juniper zone
>>2792803Forgot pic
Our weather is superior :^)
>>2792645On the plus side though, if you have enough mature junipers, you get to laugh at extremely drunk pinion jays flopping around :)
>>2792063Literally just an empty flat desert tho.
>>2792805looks like a lovely place to die in a flash flood
>>2792063Friendly reminder that state-level managed land is not included in that map. Nor are things like county parks or locally managed wilderness.https://www.summitpost.org/public-and-private-land-percentages-by-us-states/186111
>>2795593>state land>no dispersed campingmany such cases, NF and BLM land is superior
>>2795097That is a huge wide ass wash with lots of easy access uphill, if someone were to die in a flash flood there they deserve it.
>>2795593You are right that it isn't, but the southwest still has way more public land even with state stuff included for other states (and the southwest states have lots of state land too). And a lot of state and local wilderness is not held to the same standard of wilderness quality that federally designated wilderness is
>>2792063Are you sure about that?
>>2795613>still has way more public land almost like that's because you can't farm a desert
>>2795617deserts and snowy mountains and 100ft tall trees are cool and A LOT of people can go their entire lives without seeing that shitmeanwhile everybody on planet fucking earth has seen rolling hills and oak trees
