Anyone run these liquid fuel bottle stoves? How are they vs traditional disposable gas bottle stoves and what fuel do you run on them?
>>2797540Good for cold enviorment and longer treks where fuel efficency matter.
>>2797540These were the traditional method until small gas stoves became a thing. They fell out of favour in comparison because they are more finicky, harder to use in wind, and weigh more.
Those are traditional. The gas bottles are the, "new," thing. When we camped when I was a kid, that was pretty much all that was available. Coleman Naptha powered stuff was all anybody had. They worked, but like somebody already said, they were temperamental. You constantly had to be pumping the can and adjusting the flame, they'd go out all the time. And they never burned very hot either. One good thing about them is you always know how much is in the can. With butane or propane you shake the bottle and just try to guess how much is in there. Is it enough? Should I bring another one? You don't have that problem with Naptha. Years ago the fuel was dirt cheap. 8 or 10 bucks for a gallon can. I think it's closer to 25 or 30 now. In the long run it probably is still cheaper fuel wise. The bottles were dirt cheap not that long too. But even they're way up in price the last decade or so. The good thing about having a can of Naptha with you, is on wet days when you're having trouble getting a fire started, pour a little magic fire starting water on there. Problem solved. You can't really do that with the propane. If you buy a propane one, sometimes you can go into the tool section and buy the bottles for soldering way cheaper. The bottle shape is a little different, but they still work.
>>2797540I have both one of these and the typical isobutane can stoves.I only use the liquid fuel stove in the winter when it is very cold and the isobutane canisters become unreliable.
I think they still make these. The whole thing in a nice one piece package. This one can also burn gasoline, if that's all you have.
>>2797540Literally just start a fucking campfire, holy shit this is the most retarded thing since somebody made an invention that cracks eggs for you.It's not hard to not start a fucking fire, just clear the surrounding and keep it low, you can even build it in the ground to be surreptitious.
>>2797832>t. i only ever car camp in the summeryeah try starting a campfire in this
>>2797838How about traveling with the seasons? Setting up a shelter before a storm? Being a human being capable of critical thinking?What kind of moron get's caught in a storm without a plan?
>>2797832Have you ever actually tried to start a cooking fire with scavenged wood?In your back yard with your mom's boyfriend helping doesn't count.
>>2797838>yes, please follow my expert planning skills of staying indoors for 5 months because there's too much snow on the ground to cook outdoorsthe finest of /out/, ladies and gentlemen
>>2797845meant for >>2797839
>>2797540I've got an old one (1950s Turm 144, basically a Wehrmacht cooker except that they changed the tank from brass to steel after the war).The main downside is that youcan't adjust these stoves properly. Where on a gas stove, the pressure is nearly constant (in the beginning, at least) due to the gas trying to evaporate, on liquid stoves, the pressure is built up by running the fuel hose through the flame. Close the valve, and the fuel will stay over the flame longer, build up more pressure, and pass through the valve faster, so you don't see much effect.However, that's also the main advantage: where gas stoves can "freeze" and stop running just from the gas inside the bottle getting colder through it's own evaporation, a liquid stove will heat itsself and keep running as long as the fuel doesn't literally freeze.For fuel, it depends on the stove, specifically, the nozzle. Most stoves can do petroleum (safe, but will freeze at really cold temps) and gasoline (won't freeze, but has some risk of explosions), often on he same nozzle, some (like my Turm) are built for alcohol. Alcohol combines the disadvantages of petroleum (freezes in extreme cold) and gasoline (can explode if you don't know what you're doing), so I wouldn't recommend it. For me, the stove is mostly for disaster preparedness, since I can get large amounts of methanol from the distilleries around here.
>>2797806I asked the manufacturer for the full and empty weights of my fuel canisters. Then I weigh my canisters before I go out. 100×((current weight - empty weight)/(full weight - empty weight)) gives the fuel remaining as a percent. Obviously just looking is easier but it's an option.
>>2797540I've got one, they're decent and will run on pretty much anything flammable, so far I've ran mine on gasoline, diesel, kerosene, methanol and stale gasoline. The only downside is that they can be messy if you're not careful, to light them you have to light the lower part of the stove first to preheat the vaporization tube, if you're not careful you'll overfill the preheat dish and spill fuel, aside from that they're very cheap to run compared to propane stoves.
>>2797845Winter camping sucks vast amounts of cock. In Canada we don't tent camp in the winter unless there's hunting and maybe fishing involved. And even then, only in a tent rigged with a wood stove, and on a prebuilt raised floor. Basically a wood deck built in the summer, raised a foot off the ground. It gets so cold here, you can't sleep on the ground, even in a tent.
>>2797975Me tent camping in Canada last week.
>>2797809This guy or the Svea 123 are all you need.
>>2797977How cold was it?
>>2797981My car at the trailhead said -11C.
>>2797540The isobutane stoves weigh very little and reliably boil water, but their adjustments suck and they don't handle large pots very well. I use an MSR Pocket Rocket for boiling water for freeze dried meals and for tea while backpacking, but when I'm canoeing or flyfishing, I bring a Coleman 533 because it works so much better when using a larger frying pan to cook fish.
>>2797832Holy shit I need that.
