There are objectively the best 10 /out/ states in the nation. You can't beat the richness of the forests and the changing colors and textures and flowers of the seasons. And the plunging gorges and raging rivers. They have everything. Plus the people are friendly and accommodating and not snooty.
>>2799718>SW VirginiaThe access to national forests is very easy, which is almost a con because there's typically a herd of dickheads at the nearest access shooting the trees, leaving large depots of feces and trash, and generally spreading lead poisoning mind rot. If you are willing to hike/bike/drive the extra 30 minutes further, 90% of the chaff is reduced and you can enjoy what you advertise. Generally very picturesque, lots of cool springs, limestone rock formations and caves, mushrooms and wildlife. Also some of the least assuming, warm but not nosey people, unless you trespass in the wrong trailer's backyard. Some cool abandoned fire towers and mines along the ridges too.Can't comment on PA but I'd like to explore in the upper Appalachians soon
>>2799729>Some cool abandoned fire towerswith no view at all and nobody maintains the old fire road that used to lead up, let alone restores it to drivable condition
>>2799718You have down syndrome.
>>2799718>including Ohio in anything /out/-related
>>2799747there's actually a couple of high cliffs with good views as well as some mini-gorges with waterfalls and lots of rock formations like hocking hills, it's definitely not the best part of appalachia hiking, just like the ny part of appalachia, but it's still pretty nice if you research where to go
>>2799756>just like the ny part of appalachiaNY's southern tier continues to fly under the radar and I'm ok with that
>>2799718>not including Vermont, NH, Maine, upstate NY
>>2799803my mom used to g to letchworth all the time from buffalo. she said it was kino
>>2799824I go there once a season and it never gets old. Stony Brook's rim and gorge trails (when they're open) are also good for scenic trailrunning loops. Lots of stairs like the state parks around Ithaca.
>>2799839ithaca is out of bounds!
>>2799925What
>>2799926geologicallyotherwise the highlighted green area is almost entirely ridge and valley (ok) and plateau (even better)ithaca and finger lacks are the elephant graveyard, its like canadian shield or some shit, do not want
>>2799718>They have everythingexcept e-scooter recharge stations, which you're probably most familiar with>and not snooty.nah im snooty, go back city schlicker
>>2799718Arkansas. Everything out west is overrated since the empty parts are all baren desolate shitholes.
>>2800063>empty parts are all baren desolate shitholesthis again. its almost like you've never been
I grew up in New England and moved out west for a few months and found that my fears were basically correct. The open spaces made me feel very exposed and uncomfortable and like I had to get much further away from civilization to do any outdoor activities, which basically negated the value of lower population density that people like to highlight here. The relative absence of forests and trees, especially hardwoods, and other natural resources, as well as fire bans meant that bushcraft and survival skills training just couldn't be what it was in east and really took the fun out of the outdoors. I like to use my hands and play with tools, if there's no material to build and craft with then there's just not much to do. On top of that I found public land access was incredibly bad, with parking spots and parkable roads being few and far between. I also found that wildlife wasn't any more abundant than in the east, actually less so if anything. I really didn't like it and moved back to New England as soon as I could. I love the eastern forests and I'm never leaving again.
>>2800570where did you go? The "west" is a big place. Impossible to generalize. Where I live the towns are small and I am "away from civilzation" in a matter of minutes.
>>2800573The Aspen area of Colorado primarily, but I drove all over the place.In New England you walk 50 yards from any road and you've effectively left civilization. It's a different universe.
>>2800575>It's a different universe.nothing what you described has been my experience at all so your universe truly is different.
>>2800599In New Hampshire or Vermont you can walk 1/4 mile into any random woods and go shooting or make fires or build primitive camps and nobody will ever know or care. You can do anything you want wherever you want whenever you want because trees don't talk. I definitely didn't get that vibe in Colorado. Over there there were tons of private property signs everywhere and everyone can see you from the road easily unless you're ridiculously far. I've never felt more uncomfortable in my life and I actually gained over ten pounds just from not being able to do outdoor stuff when I was living there.
>>2800617I find it hard to believe they just don't have no trespassing signs out that way, but hey what do I know.
>>2800617BaitStop posting
>>2800648No, I don't think I will.
Good thread. Im thinking of moving to Western Virginia. The property seem affordable and its 99% white. My only real concerns are the ticks and mosquitos? More specifically do you catch literal aids when you step foot in the woods? Also is it all private property so essentially everything is gated? Also I read some parts can have oceanic climate which seems nice in a few counties, id prefer somewhere to have my sheep and cattle graze and amish neighbors are a plus. How are the rivers are they nice in the summer? Will i have lyme disease just from enjoying the outdoors? Should i visit in the spring? Lots of questions.
>>2800667Western VA, NOT WV, WV seems shitty ngl
>>2800667clean rivers and grazing animals are mutually exclusive goals
