What kind of axe do you use for chopping up deadfall innawoods? Is there any real difference between expensive axes and my $40 one from the hardware store? I know pic related are just silly overpriced shit for hipsters, but even like a $150 axe from council tool or somebody like that seems overpriced.
>>2800348>Is there any real difference between expensive axes and my $40 one from the hardware store?If you have to ask that question you probably shouldn't be around sharp objectsOfcourse there is, steel in hardwarestore nobrand axes is dogshit and haft is ussually beyond shit, and forget about propper grain orientation.But for someone like you op I'd say, just get an estwing
>>2800348why would you want to use an axe for deadfall to begin with? (serious question)
>>2800384maybe he doesn't carry a survival knife™ and dont want to batonny chop chop
>>2800348I’ll answer seriously. A nice middle of the road STHL will get you where you need to go most of the time. Been using mine for 8 years. I’m sure the rest of the larders have opinions. >get a fiskars bro!
>>2800396was thinking more along the lines of a saw.. bucking a downed log with an axe sounds awfully inefficient.hell in a pinch, a machete/billhook w/ a serrated blade would work too.(plz don't throw rocks at me)
>>2800348>silly shit for hipstersHaving a fire at all is silly shit for hipsters, carrying an axe to have one is turbo autism larping
>>2800426what a shitty, zoomer take. You think everyone here lives in a concrete hive and only goes outdoors on camping trips or something?
>>2800445Yeah I do, he said "innawoods" not "on my property". Means he's just cutting up shit for fun while camping, which is larping If he asked for a felling axe I'd direct him to a chainsaw and if he asked for a splitting axe I would recommend either the fiskar because it "just werks" or if he really had a lot of wood to split, a hydraulic splitter
>>2800450>so good!
>>2800457>omg a 0.01% failure rate on a $60 axe>better buy a $200 one instead so I can pay $40 to replace the handle every time it breaks
>>2800462I've never had a hickory handle break with proper use and care.I've had 11 plastic chinesium fiskars axes break on normal solid strikes, two of them splitting dry pine.I think I'll stick with the antiques I bought at a farm sale for 30 bucks each.
>>2800457I've had absolutely zero issues with my fiskars maul and hatchet, despite not taking care of them at all. left out in the elements all year round, ugly as sin, but work just fine.bants aside:>splitting: helko splitting axe. >felling/bucking: chainsaw like a civilized person>limbing: fiskars billhook or hatchetgeneral purpose? i dunno, just pick up whatever boys axe you can find at your local hardware store, which I think is what OP is really after. You're unlikely to use it all that much, and if it's for fucking around with while camping, it's fine. Property owner or someone needing to process firewood or do this kind of thing on a regular basis is obviously a different story entirelyThese threads devolve into the kind of gearfaggery you'd expect from weekend warrior cyclists or golfers.
>>2800479Do you really expect me to believe you went out and bought an 11th fiskar axe after the first 10 broke?
>>2800348
>>2800482I got 8 of them as gifts because people see that I cut my own firewood and think the "cool looking" axe is better than my "old and worn out" looking axes. So I use them for a month before the -30 to -50 f temperatures cause the plastic to shatter on a regular swing.The other 3 were the ones I bought.I think I still have one of them that I use as a splitting wedge, but doing that tends to shatter them because they're cast shit.
>>2800415Limbing with the axe, saw for trunk, split with axe
>>2800484This. Anything else is retard shit
>>2800530>that tiny little cucksaw>not retard shitlol. lmao even
>>2800348You will notice the difference when you cut wire and bullets and other stuff inside the tree, it's common for trees to absorb foreign objects and if you chop enough wood you will come across them
Hardware store axes tend to have poor heat treatments and go dull very quickly. They also always have crooked hang (alignment of the head with the handle), and are hafted incorrectly with no protrusion of handle on top of the head so that the heads will eventually come loose. The two exceptions are Stihl axes which are manufactured by Oksenkopf in Germany which are fairly good quality (you'll probably still have to replace the handle) and available at Ace hardware stores, and Fiskars axes, which are phenomenal quality and design, but have the drawback of a non-replaceable haft.My favorite axes for camping are Cold Steel tomahawks because of their light weight, excellent heat treatments, and field practical designs, particularly the Pipe Hawk and Hudson Bay hawk. My second favorite is my Gransfors Wildlife hatchet.
>>2800484>>2800530Saws are fine for survival kits and summer camping but they struggle with large diameter wood and trees/branches that are under tension due to how they are fallen, which most dry blowdown is. This makes them very poor choices for winter camping where one might intentionally be relying on a large volume of firewood regularly for a long period of time in cold and wet conditions. A hatchet or light camp axe will make life much easier in this instance.
>>2800487There's nowhere that gets -50 where trees grow large enough to need an axe. Another reason I know you're lying is that Fiskars axes have the best steel in heat treatment on the market. They will take a more acute angle without chipping than any other axe and hold an edge longer too. You would know this if you actually used them and you wouldn't be calling them Chinesium, especially given that they're made in Finland.
>>2800415>>2800348if it's a downed log why not just an axe with a pix on the back side?usually enough to split anything with one good thrust down ain't nothing serious here.>>2800484also /threadI use the silky big boy for almost anything realistically, axe is unironically my backup item.The silky bigboy only cost 100 dollars and will last you realistically a decade+ of hard constant usage.
>>2800566>Fiskars axesLiterally average of 55HRC which is not particularly hard nor. particularly edge holding over any other axe dumbass.58 is considered superior for axe heads.
Fiskars are the Walmart of axes and purchased at Walmart by fat larping faggots who don’t swing enough to break a handle let alone ever replaced one. >>2800566>best steel and heat treatSee>>2800457Cool.
>>2800634You have never used a Fiskars axe. I've had probably 50 axes and hatchets and tomahawks, four of which are Fiskars. The Fiskars heat treatment is very noticeably superior to anything else. I wouldn't rely on them for survival and camping due to the non-replaceable handles, and I find the head pattern is a bit too specialized for soft and green woods, but the heat treatment absolutely cannot be beaten and if you disagree you're just proving that you don't have any experience with these axes.
>>2800641Maybe try actually using one.
>>2800348>Is there any real difference between expensive axes and my $40 one from the hardware store?Grind, mostly. hardware store axes normally ship half-blunt. Sharpen them, and they can match any modern axe.Vintage axes are a different beast though. Those are normally was thinner, which makes them cut better. But it also makes them more likely to break if you don't know what you're doing, which is probably why no one makes them like that anymore.>What kind of axe do you use for chopping up deadfall innawoods?I don't have deadfall on my land, as I cut trees down early on. The axe I like using the most is a double bit, since the balance is straight in front of the handle. That makes it much more comfortable to control. But 99% of the time, I just get the tree of the ground (using a lever and hook if necessary) and use a large saw (silky katanaboy in my case, but any saw will do - I simply use a folder so I can stuff it into a backpack without damaging the other stuff in there).>>2800717>The Fiskars heat treatment is very noticeably superior to anything elseKek. Their axes are simply hardened all the way through. That kinda works since they don't have an eye where they could crack, but try driving steel wedges with them, or using a maul to drive the axe, and that "superior" heat treatment will make them chip like flint.If you want a truly superior heat treatment, you need to get laminated steel. 60+HRC on the edge, and ~55 on the rest of the head. Good luck finding those without having a smith make one custom, though.
>>2800725The grind is irrelevant because in virtually all cases you're going to have to regrind it with a file. Not even Gransfors come with a proper edge in my opinion. I can apply my preferred geometry to any blunt hardware store axe in less than 10 minutes with just a file.And Fiskars have a better heat treatment than any axe, full fucking stop. They're cheap enough that there's no excuse for you to not know this. I bought my first one precisely because I wanted to feel justified for hating them but reality proved me wrong.
>>2800426Getting a fire going in winter is kind of important.
>>2800479>I've never had a hickory handle breakConfirmed for not using an axe very often.>>2800450I use and recommend picrel for splitting.
>>2800725>try driving steel wedges with them, or using a maul to drive the axeIf you are doing either of these things you don't know wtf you're doing and should stay away from sharp tools until you do.
>>2800725You haven't walked very far if you have maul with you.
>>2800718Why? For the same money you can get a stihl and be far better off. Your absolute best bet is to find an old collins or plumb and hang a tight center grain American hickory handle on it. Shrug. I guess I’m larping. >fiskarsThe very notion.
>>2800828So that you can stop saying things which are false.
>>2800846They're not conscious enough to recognize that they are saying false things. They decided that they like wood handle axes, waxed canvas, and leather boots and then justify that those must be the best things because that's what they like and only a fool would like things that are not the best and they are not willing to consider themselves fools because that would be the truth and that would hurt.
>>2800854They're just like me when I was 20, except dumber and probably broker too.
>>2800737>grind is irrelevant because in virtually all cases you're going to have to regrind it with a fileWhich is exactly what I said...>Fiskars have a better heat treatment than any axeWrong, but not like I can prove it without destroying one.>They're cheap enough that there's no excuse for you to not know thisKek, are you retarded? No matter how cheap they are, I'm not going to waste money on something subpar if I can get something good for the same price. In my case, as I actually know enough to recognize good tempering, I've gotten most of my axes from flea markets. There's still laminated, handforged axes around if you can recognize them.>>2800769>t. has never felled a treeDriving wedges with a "felling" axe is normal. That's one of the reasons why most older forestry axes will have some extra material on the back of the eye, the other being that it massively improves balance.If you're using a crappy, overhardened axe like a Fiskars, you should probably stick with plastic or aluminum wedges though.Driving an axe with a maul is not optimal, but if you've messed up and gotten your axe stuck, sometimes it's the safest option. Reality isn't like your textbooks.>>2800769>t. can't walk with an extra 3kg of weightyou sure this is the right board for you, buddy?But yeah, I don't walk very far when I'm felling trees. Usually I can get my truck to within a few hundred meters, so I can afford to bring stuff like a maul or a large turning hook. Even if I rarely need anything other than a saw, a lever, and a machete for removing branches.
>>2800846>>2800854>>2800859>t. samefagging fiskars salesrepGo on, buddy, show us a pic of the last tree you felled with your plastic toys.
>>2800717>You have never used a Fiskars axe.I don't really care about the opinion of someone who thinks a walmart axe is good in any situation other than the cheapest option that I can just readily have available.Me using it or not using it is irrelevant.Walmart does not have the best of anything by historical probability of products. Your Fiskars axe would be no different.
https://www.theseus.fi/bitstream/handle/10024/35302/Lund_Henrik.pdf?sequence=1Someone already did the hard work. Conclusion: inconsistent heat treatment and tempering ie brittle chipped blades. Next you’re going to tell me to go get a Gerber knife too. Brought to you by Fiskars.
>>2800904And I don't care about the opinion of people who speak in ignorance.
>>2800926Hmmm... I have the 28" model, the 24" model with the same 2.25# head, the 17" model with the 1.6# head, and 2 of the 16oz hatchets. All of them have cleared acres worth of wood for firewood and trail clearing. None of them have experienced any damage, even on spruce knots and hophornbeam. I guess the guy you're quoting just sucks at life. You ever lend a knife to someone only to have it returned with nicks in the blade and you can't figure out how they managed to do that? Some people can ruin anything.
>>2800484>>2800565>>2800633I find the combo of saw+hatchet works pretty well, saw for cross cutting and then the hatchet is the easiest thing for chopping small limbs off and obviously for splitting. I've mostly used them for property maintenance rather than proper /out/ though so weight isn't as much of a concern.
I'm going to hike through Sweden for 3 weeks at the end of August and beginning of September.I'm going to buy this hatchet for that. I was given the GB hand hatchet years ago. It's a really good hand hatch, sharp as hell. Unfortunately the handle is too small for a 3-week tour.
>>2800998Why do you need a hatchet to go hiking in the summer?
>>2801000to make firewood in camp at evening
>>2801004Why do you need a fire at camp in the summer?
>>2801005mhm, good question....maybe make food? dry clothing? fuck up the skeetzs with smoke...etc
>>2800348I have exactly this, for like $17 and it do its job perfectly. I know some will argue it's not 10,000 times forged Nordic heritage Dåniel Wøllingtonsen steel, but... it just works.
>>2801011Stove+fuel can is <250g and don't have to chop wood before eating. I find a twig fire good enough at heating up rocks for drying stuff and keeping the mosquitos away on the rare occasions I need to, certainly don't need a hatchet to snap some twigs
>>2800888>>t. has never felled a treeThat's why God invented chainsaws.
>>2801016>Stove+fuel canwe take a Stove+fuel can and also a hobo stove. The hatchet comes with it as well as a folding saw. We are also taking 2 fishing rods with us and want to go fishing now and then. There are three of us hiking, so the weight doesn't make a difference.This way we can fry the fish properly if we catch any.
>>2800990I like the axes but Fiskars saws are terrible. Saw blades are also a consumable item and I don't think you can just buy a new blade for that model by itself. Just get a Silky and you'll never use any other saw again.
>>2800998That's actually a very large model, the kind of thing you'd bring base camping in winter, elk hunting, etc. For hiking and survival you don't need anything more than a 16 ounce head on a 14"-18" handle. Combined with a Silky saw I consider that adequate for anything actually, I can cut a winter night's wood with that setup quite easily. I have sectioned trees in excess of 3 feet in diameter with hatchets this size in the past to clear roads so my car could get through.
>>2801012Those are made by Oksenkopf and are nice patterns with good heat treatments but the handles need to be replaced sooner rather than later.
>>2801016So you only go out in the woods when the weather has been dry for over a week? Making fires with sticks off the ground only works in ideal conditions.
>>2801044Yeah I've got a Silky F180 and it's great, probably gonna grab a Gomboy Outback next time it's on sale too. I also have an Adler Rheinland Axe but I'm not in love with it, decently made but the balance is kinda fucky, I think it'd be better with a longer handle, had to grab it on short notice when REI was the only place open with decent hatchets in stock and I'll probably get something else eventually. (Especially since I'm in the process of buying a house with a firepit I'll need to split wood for.)
>>2801046>For hiking and survival you don't need anything more than a 16 ounce head on a 14"-18" handle.true, but i dont want to use it only for that one trip. i will use it more often at other trips.but as i said, i have the gb hand hatchet, but for this trip its way too small, cause we maybe must cut deadtree for a night with 3 dudes. and if were lucky to grill some fish. also we are 3 men, we have enough space in our backpacks. we also sleep under a tarp. so i think i nice warm fire, would be good.
>>2801048Yeah I've failed to get one lit a couple times when it's been raining all week and everything is truly soaked, but it's not a big deal since my dinner will still be warm and if I really wanted to I could boil some rocks on my stove. It's just a fun thing to do if I'm bored at camp.Even the stove isn't necessary if you carry enough dry pairs of socks and bring soakable/dry food. Try it out, I used to be a "campfire every night regardless" guy when I first started but then I got lazy one night after a particularly long day and didn't miss it
>>2800990>weight isn't as much of a concern.Weight has just never been a concern in general, I have never understood people who think it is.A few lbs difference in a crucial piece of gear that will infinitely make your life easier is not going to make or break your adventure.Guess military has spoiled me>hey carry all this extra gear you will never use for 8+ years and if you don't have it we will yell at you.I've unironically shaven off more than 40lbs of gear and i've still got multiple tools like saws, axes, etc.
>>2800947I accept your defeat.>>2800998Like the other dude said it's summer time.If you need to build a big enough fire to boil water or something like that.A small hatchet unironically is all you need, because you aren't going to be processing that much wood.
>>2801076>I have never understood people who think it is.it makes my kneesies hurty >.<
>>2801067Every Adler I've handled has been hung horribly crooked.Silky F180 is probably the best in their lineup. I have that and the Ultra Accel with the 9.5" blade. The Ultra Accel weighs twice as much but is only maybe 20% more efficient.
>>2801068I've been using hatchets for so long I think nothing of turning an 8" diameter hardwood snag into a pile of firewood with only my Gransfors Wildlife Hatchet, Cold Steel Pipe Hawk, or Fiskars X7. Sometimes I'll split very long sections first, so the quarters can just be scored and snapped.
I had to get a new truck battery at Sears in 2006 and signed up for the rewards program. At the time this little camp hatchet was $25 and I got it for free after purchasing the battery. I’ve absolutely abused the fuck out of it for 18 years and it’s still going strong. Show me your 10+ years old Fiskars. Sears and Craftsman are dead but this hatchet will probably outlive me.
>>2801071To me the entire point of backpacking and camping is to practice survival skills, so going out with only consumables to rely on completely defeats the purpose.
>>2801095That was never the point. Fiskars has the most efficient design and the best heat treatment. But they're probably not lifetime tools because there's no way to replace the handle, that's the one drawback. What I take issue with are these "Chinese steel" comments coming from people who just have absolutely no fucking clue what they're talking about.
>>2801080Stretch more unironically check your feet for excessive supination or pronation, knee pain is from posture issues causing excessive strain and grind on one side more than the other.Which prematurely causes damage faster than the knees can repair.I have arthritis already right knee, i'm 35 and I still benefited from posture adjusting exercises.Also taking more breaks + drinking more water.If you're not generating enough synovial fluid you physically cannot lubricate the joint.
>>2801099>Fiskars has the most efficient design and the best heat treatment.it has neither of those though.you keep saying that, but you're not backing up your claim.
>>2801096Yeah but that isn't "hiking" which was where this convo started, you may hike in order to go do that stuff but the legs moving part doesn't require a fire, the skill practicing does.
>>2801119I'm already on it, do need to set up an appointment with a PT or something though to check if I'm missing anything in my daily routineWhile I did get my knees to stop hurting during non-hiking days and am making progress back to my previous mileage-per-day, it's going slower than I would like
>>2800348>Is there any real difference between expensive axes and my $40 one from the hardware store? Yes, expensive axes are actually very nice. The question here is: Do you need that kind of tool?If you only need an axe every few months for a day, stay with the axes from the hardware store.If you are going to use an axe everyday and make a living out of it, then go for the nice things
>>2801120Fiskars have the highest point of balance due to the light handle weight, and thus the most swinging efficiency. The straight wedge head geometry is the most resistant to sticking and flips chips extremely well, yet still bites deeply because of the 18 degree edge, which it can handle because of the steel and heat treatment. Most other axes would succumb to chips and rolls rather quickly if sharpened that way. The Fiskars X7 with its 16 ounce head easily outperforms much heavier hatchets of other patterns. The non-replaceable handle is definitely a liability for survival but the pure performance of this series is probably superior to any axes ever manufactured in history and I wouldn't consider anything else for serious work outside of backpacking.
>>2801121If you're just walking around then nothing matters.
>>2801200> Most other axes would succumb to chips and rolls>>2800926You mean like Fiskars? Meanwhile my off the shelf craftsman from almost 20 years ago is still kicking strong. It’s not Chinese but the steel producers of Fiskars are Nips not Chinks>>2801200 gawd!Real talk, that 20 year old $25 craftsman is now $80. Never undervalue an off the shelf hardware store hatchet or axe. I’d never buy a Fiskars they can’t even get sewing shears right these days. >source: my mother in law used to love Fiskars
>>2801206If you have experience with axes and bought a Fiskars axe and used it you would see that the design is simply superior to anything else. You will get any job done faster and with much less energy. That's the fact here no matter what you think of the brand or any of their other products.
>>2801208>if you have any experience with axesNigger I’m the only one who’s posted an image of actual axes or hatchets.Let’s see your “well used” Fiskars that you carry around all the time. Swinging and hiking is exercise for me when I’m not toting 50lb bags of feed on each shoulder. I think you’re compensating for your feminine inability to hike with weight or swing a proper axe multiple times.
>>2801201That's the point>Hi 4chins, I'd like to buy this 200 euro axe for hiking, is it a good one?>do you really need an axe for hiking? >aktually I'm gonna build big fires and cook 300 fish for 4 dudes every night so we need a lot of wood >right on bro>everyone still mad for some reason
>>2801243>300 fish for 4 dudes every night75 fish per dude?
>>2801261He's cooking for 4 dudes, so that makes 5 of them. 60 fish per person.
>>2800348granfors bruk scandi forest axe or american felling axe would be ideal. its big enough to work and small enough to carry.
>>2800484you clearly never chopped up massive dead dry trees for big campfires. He didn't ask how to get fuel for your fucking firebox stove you retard.
>>2801213I'm describing for you the technical features of this axe that give them an advantage, as well as being honest about their disadvantages. I don't post personal photos on the internet so unfortunately you'll have to rely on reading comprehension and logic here. If you have experience with axes then you would understand how balance and geometry affect performance and why conventional axes have limitations in these areas that the Fiskars doesn't. The axe you posted cannot perform on the same level as Fiskars because of physics.
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>>2801270Showing you a picture of an axe with pine pitch on it would not prove anything. If you're incapable of having a technical discussion due to lack of experience so be it.
>>2801268No, you're spewing retard marketing slop.Fiskars is the only axe I've ever seen have the head break in half because I hit a fence staple lodged in a piece of firewood.A balanced axe is an axe that lacks momentum advantage and requires more strikes to complete the task.
>>2801296Momentum increases the further the point of balance is from where you are gripping the tool. This is the kind of physics you learn when you're five years old playing with sticks. And if you broke a Fiskars then you must have done something really stupid because I've never broken one even after dozens of bad full power splitting strikes on frozen wood hitting the handle full force. The polymer used is stronger than any wood.
Still waiting for a Fiskars that’s seen use for more than 5 years (I’ll lower the threshold since asking for one a decade old is laughable). These plastic handles with shitty over tempered heads don’t last and won’t last.
>>2801200You keep saying these things, but you're providing no proof.
>>2801298I've broken 11 of them using them the exact same way I use my hickory handle plumb.I've never broken the plumb.
>>2801298Fiskars is a walmart axe.They just break, and often.Like gently put it against a wall and it will cave in on itself.
>>2801355Well I'm not coming to your house and showing you, so if detailed technical explanations of design features that would be understood by someone familiar with axes isn't good enough then I guess this conversation is over.
>>2801356>>2801360Well mine didn't break so I guess you got 11 counterfeits somehow.
>>2801366Nah you just got the 1 in 50k production that could withstand you playing with an axe in the woods lightly.The average persons experience is that the first time you ever use it for splitting the smallest of logs it explodes like those Palestinian cell phones.
>>2801370Actually the vast majority of reviews on these axes are positive and I've used four of them very heavily for many years, including in sub zero weather.The reason you don't like them is the same reason why I didn't like them. They're safety orange colored, they're sometimes sold at Walmart, and they have that flat wedge geometry that doesn't intuitively seem like it would cut well. That's why I bought one. I buy things I don't like to see whether I'm wrong. If they were not of excellent quality I would have thrown the first one away and never thought of them again. But when you don't like something, what you do is make up lies and double down on ignorant unfounded claims, because you're just one of those people.
>>2801377>athchuguualllyI accept your defeat dude.You keep posting things with no evidence.Reality is Fiskars are just a walmart brand of axe, they are about as bottom barrel as you can get.You can stop posting now, we all know how you're going to keep coping, but dude unironically I don't care.They are an entry level axe, always have been.
>>2801378So then why is any other axe better, aside from having replaceable handles? Explain that to me when the level of detail that I've used to explain why I like Fiskars. I've never argued that Fiskars are the best choices for survival or long camping trips where maximum reliability trumps everything else, only that they are the most efficient performers, and I've explained exactly why I believe that. Can you offer an explanation as to why your preferred axe is actually better?
>>2801261They are very hungry bois and very small fishes pls understand
>>2801382>So why isAnd the cope begins.We already stated so.1. reinforcing and replacing axe handles is one of the only benefits to having an axe.2. Fishkar doesn't even have the best HRC nor is its geometry particularly useful.
>>2801396I've already explained to you why every statement you just made is wrong. You can't answer my question because you don't understand anything about axe design. This conversation is over.
>>2801435>i've already explainedYou explaining isn't evidence, it's your projection.Sorry reality doesn't share your opinion m8.
My brother got me a CRKT and my girlfriend got me a motor city axe for christmas, I’m so happy bros
>>2801448Based.
>>2801439You do not have the capability of describing to me how any other axe would have a PERFORMANCE advantage over Fiskars. This is because you lack the language to do so, which is in turn because you lack experience with axes and don't have a grasp of which design features increase efficiency. If you were the one mentioning Plumb axes earlier, Plumbs actually have a nice feature that Fiskars don't, but you haven't mentioned it because you've never noticed or appreciated it, and that's because you don't actually use axes on any serious level.
>>2801460I was the one who mentioned plumb but again I’d rather have my Collins… which was originally a roofing hatchet but some old timer broke the tines off half a century ago and made it a “pound the shit out of whatever you want just don’t swing the hatchet end into your face” tool.Fiskars sucks and so do you.
>>2801460I'm still not seeing any proof newfag.Your seething is reaching levels thought impossible.I'm going to say two things and you need to accept them.1. Fiskar axes suck dick.2. You should touch grass, which is a coincidental statement since we are on /out/.Provide evidence in any way, any single way that Fiskar axes aren't just Walmart brand axes.Literally one shroud of evidence.They break like Walmart junk, they are bought at Walmart.Give me one citation, show me using mathematical proof that the geometry of the blade is superior for cutting.Show me the handle can survive routine use (which we know they can't, they break usually within the first year).Show me the hardness can provide any benefit over any other generic axe (which it won't, it's literally not rated on average to be the best HRC).Go ahead, i'm waiting.
>>2801462You've already demonstrated that you cannot grasp the subject matter we're discussing so there's no point in attempting to explain anything further to you. If we're at the point where you're demanding scientific papers for a hand tool like a redditor then I'm all out of ideas.
>>2801462In fact earlier you were demanding photos, as though a picture of an axe with wood fibers and dirt on it could conceivably support any argument. I should have known right then that I was speaking to someone who doesn't have the ability to think.
>>2801462And you keep harping on the handle, when from the very beginning I have conceded that this is the one legitimate drawback to the design and that it isn't relevant to any argument I'm making. Only you know what you hope to accomplish with that.
>>2801464I asked for the photos because you’ve shown absolutely no proof you’ve ever swung an axe. The majority opinion is that Fiskars is Walmart trash and if you’re going to buy that just get a shitty hardware store axe.
>>2801468No, the majority opinion is that Fiskars are the most effective design on the market. I'm involved in regular trail maintenance and know several others who do likewise and they all agree. I probably cut more wood with axes in one week than you have in your entire life. I don't have any way to "prove" things like this to people through the internet so my goal has only been to get you to understand three things: 1. A major aspect of axe performance is balance. Very simply, the lighter the handle, the higher the point of balance. The higher the point of balance, the more momentum is developed per swing.2. A straight wedge design is the most inherently effective because it has maximum resistance to sticking and simultaneously has maximum chip flipping power, while also having a narrow eye that narrows the width of the cut you must make to allow passage for the axe. Now the wedge design may theoretically reduce penetration unless...3... The final bevel is very acute. This sharp angle preserves penetration. But this might cause the edge to be fragile unless...4... The has steel and heat treatment are fine tuned for maximum toughness.But you're not capable of grasping any of this because you don't have to be experience to appreciate what any of this means.
>>2801388>very small fishesThey why do they need a very large fire to cook them?
I’d agree that Fiskars axes are not for people who like or use axes regularly, BUT the X7 is my favorite choice for a camp hatchet. It’s lighter than a more traditional axe in the same size and does a perfectly good job of processing wrist thick wood if the weather is wet and I need to get split the wet sections off of thicker wood, and it processes the smaller stuff for a cook fire in dry weather effortlessly. Could I do this stuff with a fuck off tough knife and save even more weight? Maybe, but I would rather have my nice little 4 inch fixed blade, a filet knife, and the X7 than some fucking Rambo shit.The Hults Bruks Almike is similar in size and weight to the X7, and probably better to use, but for the money, I bought the X7 8 years ago or so and it hasn’t broken, so I haven’t replaced it.
>>2801463>>2801464>>2801465Uh oh baby is upset>>2801468kek don't larp as me.
>>2800566>There's nowhere that gets -50 where trees grow large enough to need an axeYou dumb nigger, it's called Alaska.>>2800767I'm not the handle guy you replied to, but I just wirewrap the top 6" of the handle and secure the wire with grip tape. Takes a minute, works phenomenally. Inevitably the wood handle cracks, but with the wire wrap it's held together and will continue to truck together for quite some time.
>>2801366>Well mine didn't breakYeah, you're not gonna break one larping around in your backyard.I've been logging my own firewood for 30 years and I have never used a chainsaw to do so. I have only bought two of your cheap chinese axes, and the rest were given to me as gifts. I actually had one that hadn't broken, but the other day I forgot my plumb in my house, so I grabbed the shitskars on the way past the shed so I could split some oak for the boiler. Well, the head went flying somewhere into the woods about 20 logs in and I had to go back to the house for a real axe.
>>2800767>Confirmed for not using an axe very often.Confirmed for neglecting tools and getting confused when they break.Maintain your handle, and when it shows signs of wear, replace it. Use a leather guard if you're stupid and keep striking on the handle, bring it inside when you're done, keep it oiled, and use a proper wedge so the head isn't loose. Basic maintenance alone will keep it in working condition for a decade or more.
>>2800484Almost the best option.Real men of good taste use picrel.Plus a hatchet.
>>2801635>neglecting toolsDebatable.>confused when they break.Nothing confusing when an axe handle breaks.
>>2801689If your tools are suddenly breaking and you had no idea, then yes, you are both neglecting and misusing them.
>>2802007Yeah the problem is Fiskar axes just break when you aren't using them.
>>2800348Eastwing camp axe - long handled version.Live it and never have to worry about the head flying off or breaking the handle. The downside is its a lighter axe and its ugly - but the long handle leverage makes up for it.
>>2802069Forgot pic
>>2801025>t. drives wedges with a chainsawPlease tell me you're joking.
>>2801298>Momentum increases the further the point of balance is from where you are gripping the tool. This is the kind of physics you learn when you're five years old playing with sticks.Lol. You're not wrong, but still retarded. Momentum doesn't matter with axes, kinetic energy does. For which velocity is the relevant part. And the best way to get velocity is to have a weight on something flexible. That's why blackjacks crack skulls more easily than batons, why whips can break the sound barrier, and also why axes with thin wooden handles, that flex when swung, will always be more efficient than the crappy fibreglas handles fiskars makes.Of course, finding a properly thinned wood handle of the rack is hard to do nowadays, as most people would end up breaking the handle and demanding refunds. but if you know what you're doing, turning a 10€ hardwarestore axe into something far superior to any fiskars ever made is a matter of an hour at most.>>2801472>majority opinionNot on here, at least.>I probably cut more wood with axes in one week than you have in your entire lifeSo where's that picture of your well-worn Fiskars?>Bunch of fake marketing claimsNot even gonna bother.
when you buy the 50 dollar axe and it chips a quarter sized hunk of metal off when you hit a knot you'll understand why heat treat and quality materials are important and 150, or even 300 dollar axes exist. it's not because they're arent' cheaper one, there certainly are. it's because cheaper one are shit that don't work.
>>2802125>50 dollar axe and it chips a quarter sized hunk of metal off when you hit a knotHas yet to happen to me. Maybe a skill issue?
>>2802131>Has yet to happen to me. Maybe a skill issue?>Has yet to happen to me>Yet to happen to me>Yet to HappenYou gave us all we needed to know, you don't use axes enough to have an opinion.Because protip, given enough usage all axes. Every single one. Will need some sort of maintenance.I have had two axes chip and one blow out the handle. It just fucking happens dude and the fact you are arguing otherwise is proof you have know idea what you're talking about.The more you use one axe, the likelihood it will need to be repaired goes up exponentially regardless of cost of the axe. Cheaper axes accumulatively go up in price even further.Tell me a cheap piece of ash wood handled axe will survive as long as a hickory when shapes to the same thickness. Fuck off.A heavy medium ashwood handle will last a lifetime, but it cost as much as the thin hickory handle fancy axe.Law of diminishing returns exist in everything.
>tfw we have some old axes that hold up week besides occasional need to replace wooden handles we happen to be able to buy from nearby store for a buck or two while some fags are arguing about overpriced brands on the internet.Sometimes I forget how good I have it.
>>2802338*wellBut I suppose you figured it out.
I cannot wait to see the knocking on 50 years old Fiskars. Kek.
>>2801448>motor city axeSorry bro, but she got jipped. It's literally a Council Tool with a painted handle sold at a 100% markup.
>>2803174Lol fucking jealous chudcel.
>>2803232Gay ass Hudson Bay pattern on a painted handle? No thanks. I much prefer my Dayton pattern (best pattern) with a well oiled handle.
I just use the cheap yellow plastic handle axes from harbor freight and they work fine
>>2802070That Estwing looks to be a nice length, definitely a car camping axe, I think the next size down at 16" is more pack friendly.
