> Indestructible> Perfect size to balance carry comfort with field effectiveness> Sharpen with anything> Great ergonomics> Enough grip security for combat> Excellent sheath> Lifetime warranty no matter what> Made in AmericaShow me your shitty knife you think is better and I'll tell you why you're wrong.
>>2800958Put another knife thread in the catalogue bro
>>2800962I will.
>>2800958Esee 4, everything like yours, but not pointlessly oversized. You fail.
>>2801050I'm with this dude. I own an esse 4 and it's my go to /out/ knife. And it tucks very well under a t shirt. My first problem with that extra inch is that it would "print" me as someone carrying a Rambo knife. Second I think the balance would be all wrong. The esse 4 is really well balanced for the tasks I want to use a knife for in the woods. I don't take an 8 inch kitchen knife because I don't need one.
>>2801051>bushlarping in places so populated that your knife printing is a concern I shiggy diggy
>>2801050No chopping or prying ability, too small. Everything you do with that knife will be clumsy and painful except for things that you could do with any knife.
>>2801050>>2801051you wouldn't want to scare your bf with that thang
>>2801051Your carry technique sucks. I can carry blades up to 8" without issues.ESEE-4 and 6 are flat ground from less than 5mm stock and don't have anywhere near the lateral rigidity of the 5. I wouldn't consider them as primary survival blades, just not strong enough long term.
>>2800958isn't this just a knockoff of the bushcraft knife?>check specsyeah it's literally just a knockoff
>>2801059Pray tell me what the ESEE-5 is a knockoff of.
>>2801063It's literally an overpriced larp knife with a hardness rating less than cheap axes now days.It weighs more than it should while being able to do even less than BOB.ESSE even has a break it you replace it policy.Which is absurd because it means they know their knives are shit and easily broken.Just admit it kid, you saw a big knife and your monkey brain thought ooga booga dat good.The handle is flat out shit, if you've ever held any of the KABAR or BOB handles for their bushcraft oriented knives you would know this.BOB's handle is far superior for any task.It actually fits in a mans hand in such a way heavy duty task or finesse task are equally enjoyable.
The USMC K Bar is the best all around outdoor utility and combat knife.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vrEljMfXYo
>>2801085I wasn’t going to get shit on for saying it but that was almost verbatim my first thought too.
>>2801073It's hardness is the ideal balance of toughness to edge retention just like a hatchet or a machete. This is the kind of heat treatment that all survival knives should have. Sharpening a knife isn't hard, toughness should never be sacrificed for edge retention.It's weight is the result of a broad saber grind and 1/4" stock, giving it enough lateral rigidity to actually be useful for prying, which is kind of just a fantasy with most other survival knives. This is important because I rely heavily on a technique to process large diameter blowdown that is under tension by cutting a notch with my saw, and then flipping the chips out with my knife, but this requires strength. The weight also lends it surprising chopping ability for it's length, which is also important because my saws are slow and clumsy for certain types of cutting tasks, like gathering enough boughs to serve as roofing and bedding material in a reasonable time frame, and I also just expect my knife to be a standalone survival tool as well and not strictly dependent on a saw, so some degree of chopping weight is very desirable. The strength of the knife also makes it useable for escape, bending or hacking through metal barriers, which is what it was actually designed for. Another added bonus of the weight is it makes it much simpler to counterbalance my handgun. I carry a handgun on my right side, and then a knife and spare magazine on my left, but the left bundle has to weigh the same as the handgun otherwise I'll develop hip and back pain over time. This requires figuring out which pieces of gear I'm carrying are suitable for adding to the left to get the weight right. The ESEE-5 negates this because it combined with a Glock magazine almost perfectly match the weight of a Glock 19 and holster, and you're getting quite a bit of utility for that weight.
>>2801073The weight is also offset by the fact that the knife is so indestructible that I don't feel the need to carry much of a spare, at most just my Mora Bushcraft. With most other knives, I know that I could potentially break them under certain circumstances, so I carry an exact duplicate in my pack. The ESEE-5 is like an axe head, in that I know that I'm never going to break it. The weight of the ESEE-5 combined with the Mora is actually less than two Kabar knives, so it paradoxically saves me weight.ESEE knives are widely known to be extremely durable and that's precisely why they have their warranty. They know it won't cost them any money because people can't break their knives. The ESEE-5 is one of the rare knives that I don't think I could break even on purpose.The grip of the ESEE-5 is ideal for EDC, a good balance between comfort and having a flat profile that sits tight against the body without printing. There are more contoured handle scales available for it, and you can also just build up grip tape in any manner you desire, which is why I typically don't complain much about factory grips on knives in general. ESEE grips give me enough security without needing a crossgaurd, which is important because my survival knives are always defacto combat knives as well because that's what I'm carrying, and they must be usable as such. The BOB grip looks inadequate to me, not enough finger stoppage there. This is something you can't resolve with tennis racket tape and is one of my major disqualifiers with most knives.
>>2801085It's Ka-Bar and they won't hold an edge for shit.
>>2801087>ideal balance of toughness to edge retention just like a hatchet or a macheteIdeal HRC is 56-58, not 55-57.literally proving my point dumbass.>>2801088>is so indestructible>literally expensive junk that is so easily broken they have a mass warranty on it>>2801085it's contender, I dislike the handle immensely, but if I was going to buy a k it would be the BKIII.It's horrible for knife fighting, but for utility nothin comes close.I have jimmied doors, broken locks, woodcrafted extensively with it, cut fences, split logs, scraped everything under the sun, and used it as a lever numerous times and it just keeps asking for more.
>>2801111I'm completely satisfied with the hardness of typical hatchets and machetes which is rarely more than 55. I can get several days of work done in between touchups even with that. There is no reason for a harder blade. The vast majority of survival knives are heat treated too hard and this problem has been going on so long that Horace Kephart remarked on it. A survival knife by definition is a knife that you will use for similar tasks as a striking tool so it should have the same steel and heat treatment. You also want soft so you can easily repair damage with a file, because grinding out major nicks and snapped tips with a coarse stone can be grueling.
>>2801113>I am fine with subpar standardsI mean you use an ESSE, I could tell that already.>you also want softNot in a bushcraft knife you don't, you want it to retain its edge as long as humanly possible while not being so high HRC that it can brittle snap.Hints 56-58 dumbass.Don't talk about things you don't know.
>>2801073> and your monkey brain thought ooga booga dat goodKEK. Thanks for the laugh anon. That’s classic.
>>2800958Based, I'm glad someone else appreciates a sharpened pry bar.
>>2801085>Rat tail tangNo thanks.
>>2801157It's weird we went thru all of human history with rat-tail tangs on combat weapons like swords and daggers, but only with the advent of 'bushcrafting' that they are too weak and only a full-tang knife will survive.
>>2801050fucking lmao gay knife
>>2801158>The Rat-Tail and Stick TangThese two tang types are found often in decorative sword construction. They are very similar in design. Both are a thin metal rod that is welded onto the shoulder of the blade that extends through the handle and is fastened by either a nut or a decorative pommel which is screwed onto the end. The only difference in these two tangs is the the rat-tail is a threaded rod and the stick tang is only threaded at the end. This construction works for decorative swords but is not strong enough for casual or martial arts use.https://www.reliks.com/functional-swords/tang/Want to try again?
>>2801173Rat-tail doesn't mean welded together.
>>2801174>Fixated on one wordYou are one stupid nigger.
>>2801174Here's your forged stick tang. Works great, very strong.
>>2801174Probably just a bad heat treat on this one.
>>2801174Tough as nails, practically indestructible.
>>2801118Only someone with bad sharpening skills would say that. Touching up edges is effortless to me and I actually carry a sharpening kit I designed myself. The only time edge retention matters is if you're a professional butcher who is dragging a knife against a cutting board all day long and don't even have time to stop and sharpen because you're on the clock and have production quotas.
>>2801156I thought it was a "sharpened pry bar" too until I had the opportunity to handle one at a store and saw that the edge geometry was actually very good, keener than most of my favorite hatchets and machetes at least and by no means reminiscent of a splitting maul as I had assumed. I reprofiled the edge to 17 degrees per side and the cutting performance was ultimately no worse than any of my other survival fixed blades. If I hadn't run into this knife at the prepped store in Waynesville North Carolina I probably would never have bought it, because the specs are pretty scary, 16 ounces for a 5.25" blade just isn't something you see every day.
>>2801158Stabbing a guy isn't that hard on a knife compared to bushcraft stuff.
>>2801187I understand you're upset that someone called you out on being 14 and thinking a literal amazon knife was "good".>the only time edge retention mattersI mean this is literal proof you do not use knives enough for anyone to listen to your opinion.Butchers sharpen their knives far more often than bushcrafters do. Because a clean cut on a piece of prime meat that is literally worth more than your beta boy knife ensures uniformity, maximum density of a specific cut of meat.Which results in a rib eye roast that is unironically sold for 150 dollars. See your mistake here is thinking you know anything and wasn't expecting someone who has experience both as a butcher and bushcrafter calling you on your shit.I carry multiple knives when butchcrafting because it increases the longevity of each knife for its specific usage.When I worked as a butcher I sharpened my knives lightly every night because it was my fucking profession dumbass.If you want to apologize that's fine, I'll accept it.You can always keep coping though.
>>2801190I'm a professional butcher and have been for over a decade, so I was speaking from experience. Steeling a knife is not "sharpening" it. You will never see a butcher stop what he's doing and take out a bench stone and oil and resharpen his knife mid shift, I promise you that. I sharpen mine once a day before or sometimes after my shift.I have been sharpening knives for over 20 years and can maintain an edge on carbon steel tools with extremely little effort using sharpening kits weighing as little as 3 ounces. My favorite system consists of pocket-sized stones and diamond plates, 3 or 4 inches long by 1 inch wide, super glued to sections of rectangular wood trim or aluminum tubes, with a little extra length to secure a small angle guide. To merely touch up a knife that has no visible damage I just have to repolish the edge with soft Arkansas for maybe two minutes, followed by 3000 grit sandpaper, which I prefer over any kind of strop. This process is about as effortless as tying my shoes and is generally only needed once every two or three days even with hatchets and machetes seeing regular use during a camping trip. I am also able to grind out chips, and even reestablish dented tips with the same kit very easily, though I'm fairly good at avoiding that kind of damage. So to me, the idea of sacrificing any degree of toughness whatsoever just for more edge retention is completely ludicrous, a raw deal. The idea of carrying multiple knives just to not have to sharpen them is something that would only make sense to someone who has extremely poor sharpening skills. That would be like carrying multiple guns so you don't have to change the magazine.
>>2801177Kek. Is that from nam?>guys this knife that’s 50 years old and went through a war then got left to rust for 45 years broke the first time a fat neckbeard tried batoning with it OMG!
>>2801211The newer ones tend to bend rather than break. Either way the tang design is simply not suitable for wilderness survival. If you don't baton then just carry a folder, batonning is literally the only thing you need a fixed blade for given how good modern folders are. People in the old days carried fixed blades because folding knives back then were pieces of shit that required two hands and painful fingernail prying to open and were only 3" long and had no pocket clips and were usually extremely thin and prone to snapping.
>>2800958Why are you guys still talking about this shit?Like, in 2016 talking about knives was cool, now is just lame.You guys need to go /out/ more, you guys will realize that a folding knife or a small knife is enough for most activities.
>>2801214Don’t you get tired of being wrong all the time?>seen the old man pry an alternator off an ‘85 Oldsmobile in the snow with one of these
>>2801237I've seen plenty of those broken with less than that.
>>2801232If you're just backpacking on a strict itinerary in summer with enough consumables for the duration and staying on trails, then yes you can get by with a pocketknife. That's what millions of people do every year.
>>2801176>>2801177>>2801179No background issues there at all.
>>2801211>Blames the rust>Not the 90° corner where the tang meets the bladeYou don't even know what the problem is but boy golly you're ready to diarrhea spray your shit opinion all over the place.
>>2801291Somehow basic physics and geometry and engineering go out the window with knives and it's okay to put massive pressure on a narrow stress riser. What these people don't understand is that the Kabar was designed like that because it's the most cost effective way to incorporate a crossgaurd in a mass produced knife.
>>2801265You dont plan your /out/ings or what?Are you a fugitive hidding in the woods or somenthing like that?
>>2801317I go out in the woods to practice survival skills, not to just look at scenic views.
>>2801319>I need survival skills in case I end in a survival situation while I am practicing survival skills
>>2801343What if I just value the ability to leave civilization on my terms?
>>2801156If I was to get an ESSE it'd be the Junglas, why fuck around? In the meantime I'm perfectly happy with my 6" KOA bush camp knife and Ontario Machete.I don't feel like i NEED to spend money on more knives, I'm ok with what I have, they do the job. https://archived.moe/out/search/text/knives%20of%20alaska/
>>2801418Lateral rigidity, carry size, versatility.
>>2801376>leave civilization on my termsAre you going to make your clothes with a knife?Top kek
>>2801510I know how.
>>2801458I find I have more versatility with a larger knife, but I also carry a smaller knife because while I am able to carve stuff with my large knife it's much easier with a smaller knife...YMMV.
>>2801637Nice saw, I've had a few. Ended up getting a 14" folder.
>>2801088How much are the paying you? Im kind of looking for a new job.
>>2800958since there's an esee thread in the catalog does anyone know what the differences are between the 5 and 6?is 6 better?...worse?been looking at both and not sure what to buy
>>2801806depends on whether you get the one with the choil or not...not really a fan of finger choils but they can be somewhat useful for scraping fatwood easier than using the spine and the extra inch from the 6 is actually more useful when it comes to food prep.If you can get them in your hands you'll know for sure which one is going to work better for you.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aJLMNPWQ_4
>>2801214 I have a Fisher Grandpa Bear wood burning stove in which I have a mix of red oak and white oak burning in right now. I have built and started hundreds of fires outside in all weather conditions, in addition to all of the fires I have built and started in the wood stove that heats my Appalachian home in the winter. To start a fire, I pick the tiny dead sprouts from southern pine trees that are about the size of a pencil lead. I add the small branches that fall from oak trees that are about the size of a pencil. Oak branches that are 1/2" to 2" will start from the small bundles. A bunch of 2" branches burning will be enough to add 16" long oak pieces that have been split into quarters and eighths. I say all this to explain that having made countless fires over the years I do not think I have ever batoned a piece of wood to feather it to start a fire. Maybe it is because I live in Appalachia and wood of all sizes is so abundant. I see people say batoning wood is a critical capability that an outdoor knife must be capable of. Thinking of it, I can not recall a single time at any hunting camp, BBQ or gathering I have ever seen someone baton a piece of wood with their knife. Batoning wood seems like an internet meme to me. What area of the America has vegetation that requires an outdoorsman to baton wood to start a campfire ?
>>2801214It's for dealing with wet wood, you baton just enough wood to get the fire started and no more. Fire is also easier to start on thin straight edges rather than round edges. Think of the one stick fire as an example.It's not a where thing, it's a when thing. which means that most of the time it won't be necessary, and even when it is a bit of accelerant whether natural or man-made makes things much easier, but yes it is a VERY MEME thing to do when having an axe or hatchet would make it completely unnecessary. That said, it's nice to have a knife that CAN baton even if you never have to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KDr88nFPFI
>>2801995 Small twigs, the diameter of a pencil lead, are easy to gather in my area. These twigs are smaller than the pieces I have seen videos of people making by batoning. Is there a place in America in which these tiny twigs are not necessary which necessitates batoning ?
not available which necessitates batoning ,,,I mean
>>2802021when it's wet?
>>2802023Small dry twigs can be found under larger pieces of wood quicker than batoning wood and you do not risk damaging your main survival tool.
>>2802028LMAO, a 3 inch piece of wood is not risking your tool.The little twigs are good but they are SECONDARY kindling, we batonny to make paper thin DRY TINDER.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCsomEfjt0Ano meme knife needed
>>2801085I can't tell if you fags are trolling or not with your tacticool /out/ gear>>2801637
>>2801637>Average D2 camp knife>plain Jane Ontario machete>cheapest folding saw possible (Coghlan's)>Crescent Tools D2 folder>TACTIKEWLLMAO
My theory is millennial and younger collect knives because it's a tool they know how to use.Boomers, as a generation, don't obsess over knives and are into way more kinds of tool because they know how to do a lot more kinds of jobs.50,000 years ago our ancestors were probably autistic about collecting rocks and spears.
>>2802130>zomg he's using scary green backpack and black gun and knoife instead of the MLP lunchbox and Dunkin Donuts Mora knifego be gay somewhere else.
>>2802228you forgot to say no homo
>>2800958>blunt edge angle>two-stage edge that makes it almost useless for carving and bushcraft>way too thick>warranty voided if you sharpen it properly>flat grip that doesn't fit the hand properly (but, to be fair, makes it much easier to carry concealed and is why I bought mine)>can buy more than 10 Moras for the same moneyEsee knives aren't terrible, but they're basically knives for people who don't know how to use a knife. Want to abuse a knife by using it as a prybar, but don't want a Glock 79 or 81 for whatever reason? Get an esee. Want a proper knife? Get a Mora. Simple as that.
>>2801176>>2801177>>2801179>buying a shitty burger knife>it fails>pikachu face
>>2802227MFW it's real
>>2802272Lol, where did you get that?I've been annoying my sister for years by gifting her outdoors stuff (which she actually wants and uses), but making it pink camo, pink realtree etc. A knife like that would be perfect for her.
>>2802227Yes. It's not fedora-tier at all to take an AK into the woods for your day hike. Definitely not autistic and cringe at all.
>>2802295Is it ok if I just take the AK out on my property to shoot ? Do I need to go to REI and get a more fashionable pack to replace my Milsurp pack to get through the gates you keep ? I carried that KBar in combat is there a knife you prefer I put on my belt to be more fashionable ?
>>2802352Yes maybe something that doesnt scream "I served in Iraq....In what capacity? I served as a line cook from 2011 to 2014"Thank you for your service Spongebob!
>>2802360You have nothing but middle school insults. Your moronic , know nothing statements are a reflection of you not of me.
>>2802280Blade HQ had it, they have a whole bunch of knives with that theme but the Mora one sold out fast, they still have some Civivi folders and some fixed blades in the same theme.https://www.bladehq.com/cat--Dessert-Warrior-Edition-Knives--4107
