Actual previous thread, fugged up
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>>2807675
looks a bit better now
from 9 habanada seeds I got 9 healthy plants
from 19 aji dulce seeds I got 4 healthy plants and 3 criples that came out with deformed leaves and such
from 10 biquinho red seeds I got 6 healthy plants
from 10 biquinho red seeds I got 4 healthy plants and two criples, but thats on me, it was too dry when they germinated, one ripped its own head off the other had a helmet and I tried to help but ripped the head off.
the siberian parika is in the hot box, already had 1 healthy plant from a test batch.
I repotted some of the larger plants to their own little cardboard pots, cut the foil from the coco tabs first just to be sure. I have so much fun watching them grow and taking care of them.

>>2807683
>from 10 biquinho yellow seeds I got 4 healthy plants and two criples,

Anyone try composting with pillbugs instead of worms?

Are there any tropical fruit plants/trees that could realistically be in a pot under led lamp and still produce delicious fruit?
I know there are dwarf bananas with tiny bananas, but I don't think those taste any good.
"Dwarf" papaya trees are still huge.
Citruses seem like the best candidate, but those aren't that special.

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>>2807838
My first idea was cherimoya. Obscure enough in europe that there's a decent chance someone hasn't heard of them before (probably different in the US), very tasty, should grow in a pot as long as the pot isn't too small. It'll not get to full size, but it should still fruit, so there's that. You probably should buy one first and taste it though, because while some people love them others don't or can't get over the texture.
You can grow banana trees in pots, my parents have some in their sunroom, no lights or anything, but if you don't like their taste those are off the table.
Citrus should be your safe bet. Lemons, kumquat stuff like that. Even physalis are an option if you do it right.

>>2807689
It would be too slow and they mostly eat cellulose. You can have them in the worm bin, but they can't get the job done by themselves.

>>2807840
I'm wondering if something like mangosteen would fruit and NOT get huge af.
Tamarilo could maybe also work.

>>2807648
Does someone have experience with bitter melon?
My parents brought back random seed packages from their trip to 'nam.

Just fed the birds sunflower seed. Tomorrow snow melt in usda zone 5.

No crocus yet.

>>2807859
Grow like you would cucumbers. It's viney so put a garden trellace out for them

Any flowers that you guys actually start indoors? Most of what I plan to plant actually does better just thrown on the ground.

>>2807838
kumquat

>>2807904
sunflowers. but that's only because the birds eat them

i had a big pot where i just tossed my leftover seeds, some sprouting potatoes, an onion.

honestly its been a really fun project over winter, its indoors so, the weather hasnt really been a problem, first the onions grew, free green onion, nice for a sandwhich, then the potatoes started coming up, thought i saw som tobacco sprouting but they died because, well, this want really something i wanted to "take care of" other then dumping some water on.
peas and beans tried, but i couldnt be assed to put up support so they died pretty qucik too.

then the chillies have pretty much taken over, i think i have 4-5 plants in there now, no clue what they are, they could be anything from normal grocery store "red chilies" to funky purple decorative ones, to carolina reaper.

im terrible at seed management so i just had ended up with a whole load of un labeled seeds. fun little living room jungle, would recommend

Can I plant broad beans (Vicia faba) even when it’s below freezing?
All literature says they can deal with frost and should go in very early, but it also says you should soak them before. And then I’ll have some wet beans in the ground that’ll freeze through. Doesn’t really sound ideal.

>>2808038
normally beans would be planted in October/November and then overwintered
if you want to plant now and it's still freezing, do it indoors in something that's 3" deep

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>>2807838
have you considered monstera deliciosa? unique fruit. most people grow them terribly stunted though.

>>2808042
I’ve read that too, but with the caveat
>if you don’t have snow
, which I have. Other than that it’s most February. Guess I’ll wait till next weekend. It’s supposed to be warmer (and rainy) then. It’s just gonna be a dirt-fest trying to get the bed ready for them.

>>2808042
Do you live in Florida?
Broad beans won't survive even mild winter, winter in zones lower than 8 is too much for them and they are usually planted in March

>>2808049
Yes, I'm definitely getting one as well.

>>2808049
Every middle aged woman I met in the late 90's-early 00's had a monstera that never grew but refused to die.

It’s my first time having a real garden. There was an old deck that we removed, under it is fairly compacted soil that’s been covered from light for about 5 years.

I want to put (mostly) herbs in there, along with some flowers, beans and maybe some onions and garlic.

The internet keeps telling me not to till it. I have enough mulch (shredded branches from the trees) for a layer about 2 inches thick, and enough leaves from last year for another 2”.

Question is what is the proper method? Put cardboard on soil then mulch and then top soil? Do the lasagne thing with mulch then soil then mulch? Should I put the leaves at all?

>>2808069
That's their superpower. All of the araceae make for great houseplant for inept owners because killing them takes deliberate effort. Whenever someone tells me they can't keep their plants alive because of too little watering or light they get a aracae gifted. Juggernauts of the houseplant world.

>>2808078
If it's compacted then it probably goes anaerobic under surface, especially if it's heavy in clay, don't fall for no dig gospel and till the shit out of it to loosen it so air can get into soil.
Don't mix mulch with soil, it'll temporarily lock nitrogen out while bacteria is busy decomposing it, just put in on the top and you don't really need cardboard if there are no weeds since nothing grew there but it won't hurt to put it down if you want to.
Leaves are ok but if you have so much of this stuff you would be better off just setting up a compost pile, you could also dump grass clipping and kitchen waste there for free compost.

>>2808078
>>2808083
Fuck tilling. Expensive and useless. Biodrilling is where it's at. Just throw down a long cultivar of radish like foraging radishes or long scarlet Cincinnati and in a month you'll have a crop of radishes and perfectly "tilled" soil.

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Has anyone here ordered mushroom grow kits?

My tomatoes always seem to languish in late summer and early autumn despite looking great in spring and early summer
First they start looking shit, yellow leaves, bright purple spots, etc and stop flowering, then they start dying off from the top down in a way that looks like blight but the fruit is never affected which makes me think it's something else
This will sound lazy but the last two years I've always had nematode problems but I never did anything about it
This time the roots are even worse than they've ever been, some are almost an inch thick with nematodes
Do these symptoms sound like a primary nematode issue? Or do I need to look elsewhere to explain some of these problems even though I have a serious chronic nematode problem?

>>2808176
Btw any suggestions for ways to treat nematodes?
I'm a non-organic gardener so I'm happy to spray any chemicals if it helps

>>2808176
>>2808178
Cultivate some nematophagous fungi and mix it into your soil. Apply a mulch like straw to protect and feed the fungus.

>>2808078
>no till
I’m trying to move into that direction too, so I’m not an expert yet, but it seems to me that they’re making a few assumptions for it to work. First and foremost: you have an intact, living soil that’s worth nurturing. I’d wager a guess that this isn’t the case with your soil.
And they’re also assuming that you have a kinda light-ish, aerated soil that’s worth preserving. Again, probably not the case (also, a lot of no-til seems to be more no-20-ton-tractor-and-2-ft-deep-till which then gets applied to hand tool, which is a totally different issue)
I’d give it a rolling start, working in some of that wood chips and leaves (but not too much!), add some compost and maybe even cheat with some fertilizer, to get started with vegetables earlier which then in turn can help you “biodrill” and getting organic matter and biota in your soil.
At least that’s what I’m currently doing with my lawn-reduction plan. Oh, and beans and mulching!
>cardboard
Don’t.
While it does work, cardboard is mostly made from recycled paper, which means all kinds of stuff you don’t want to have in your soil. BPA from thermo paper receipts, PFAS from about everything and a bunch of other stuff. All in likely “safe” amounts, so no need to panic, but I’d rather not.

>>2808135
I've bought one from a store. Absolutely nothing sprouted.

>>2808078
I tilled the first 3 or so inches of soil on my lot that had very compacted poorly draining soil. Most of what I planted ended up spreading its roots out wide because they couldn't get deep enough so everything grew a bit weird.

Where I planted things like potatoes, I got very tiny potatoes but that soil is really aerated now and shit's growing in it like crazy, when it used to be dead.

My point is, you may not get a ton in your first year if you don't till, but you'll naturally prepare the soil if you get anything to grow. This year I'm doing a giant blanket of flax so that next year I might be able to plant native grass and get my landlord off my ass.

>>2808135
Ive had great luck but with spores and buying soil online. They were also for drugs not food. Do youhave questions?

>>2808135
Friend and I both got the oyster mushroom thing that you grow in a bucket with coffee grounds. Worked well for him, so far for me looks good but no fruiting. But that’s indoors. The key from what I read seems to be creating the perfect environment for them and keep out predators and competitors if you grow from spores. If you get a pre-made block of mycelium they say it’s pretty resilient.

I’ve also used these pre made dowels with spores on a log in my garden. It worked pretty well, got some oysters, but I didn’t find a way to continue it, the log rotted away pretty fast

>>2808135
Read "Growing Mushrooms the Easy Way" by R Rush Wayne

>>2808083
Thanks, noted. I have a compost pile as in the leaves were raked in fall and have been on a pile for 5 months.

>>2808118
>>2808294
I’ll till just a little then add stuff. I will probably try the radish thing tho it seems fun. Maybe winter rye in winter

>>2808348
Alfalfa is considered the best biodrilling crop and it's a nitrogen fixer. And a stand of comfrey makes great fertilizer.

>>2808446
>Alfalfa growing like crazy on only my property for some reason
>Let it grow it attracted a lot of bees and butterfies to the neighborrhood
>Landlord gets on my ass middle of last year
>Makes me get rid of the alfalfa
>Tell him I'm not going to be able to do it without a pick
>He looks confused
Those roots were inches thick and several feet deep after all these years, it was depressing. All the bees and butterflies left after that.

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>>2808455
>my property
>landlord
Huh? Is it your property, or isn't it?
In other news:
Let's see if I can get some artichokes this year, or if the kids fuck them up again.

>>2808486
I suppose I don't own the ground that the house is on. It is purely a physical appearance homeowners association type deal. They can't tell me to do anything except cosmetic shit to the outside of the house and the yard. They can't even get on my case about the shit in the back yard because it's not visible from the front yard.

That said, my plan this year is to plant staggered mammoth sunflowers along the sidewalk in a way that makes it very difficult to see my yard from the street and I probably won't get another complaint. Still doing the flax though because it looks nice and fuck grass.

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Im starting mushroom logs while waiting for spring. The. The real work begins. I'll be starting on fresh ground and many acres of it

>>2808178
Plant mustard in the bed in the early spring and mix them in before you plant the tomatoes

Am I retarded for not wanting to pay $10 AUD for 2 bulbs of generic garlic from a nursery because of how much cheaper I can buy them from a grocery store?
I want a big garlic crop and $10 is a bit steep in comparison
Just how big of a risk am I taking?

>>2808514
No, if they don't even have a name of the garlic they sell you might as well play slots in a grocery.
Buy something that looks decently large and tastes good and plant it or find a better nursery that actually knows what they sell and you can look it up.

>>2808455
>>2808486
>>2808497
HOAs should be illegal.

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>>2808486
I didn't get any last year either but looks like they survived through winter so I'm expecting good harvest this year

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Does anyone grow weeping mulberry here?
Last year I tied a promising branch to grow upwards because I want to make it taller and it worked well.
But I don't know if I should keep it tied through this year as well.
Also is it better to prune it heavily or just trim to shape it?

>>2808511
nice sounds fun. ive never done anything with mushrooms but would love some property some day to be able set it up and see how it grows.

>>2808512
> Plant mustard in the bed in the early spring and mix them in before you plant the tomatoes
Is mustard specifically beneficial for tomatoes? I’m contemplating if I should try some cover crops in my greenhouse now, before I plant tomatoes in April.
Instinctively, I wanted to go to some N fixers but mustard seems an interesting option anyways.

>>2808861
It specifically harmful to nematodes.
>>2808712
You don't need land for mushrooms.
Call a local arborist or landscaping company and you'll get all the logs you need.

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never thought it would happen but a 20x40 plot of land in a local community garden was offered to me this morning. $40 bucks a year, I'm so pumped man. I was told last year when I put my name on the waiting list, it would probably be several years before I got a call.

first steps are making a gate, then I have to buy 40' of fencing which sucks but whatever my neighbor apparently paid for the posts. then I guess I'm going to kill the ground cover and weed? unless anyone has any other suggestions

lfg dudes

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>>2808901

>>2808901
Congrats anon, sometimes all you need is a little luck. Happy for you.
>$40 bucks a year
That's cheap as shit, nice.

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>>2808985
everything's gonna see alright

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>>2807683
After two weeks, everything apart from some nondescript “Peperoni” from a gift box sprouted. (And the artichokes at the bottom, which are only in there since a week)
I’ve only got 4 biquinhos and they all sprouted quite well.
Hope stuff grows fast, so I can put in tomato seeds.
Also, those coir tablets suck ass guess there’s a reason why they were on deep discount at my local supermarket, but I guess they work and 2€ for 50 pieces is OK.

>>2809074
>After two weeks, everything apart from some nondescript “Peperoni” from a gift box sprouted
Nice, some plants just take a bit.
>Also, those coir tablets suck ass
Mind elaborating why? I'm germinating seeds with the classic paper towel in a ziploc bag rn, but wanted to transfer to coir tablet and then those to soil to minimize root disturbance as soon as they are sprouted.
What's your issue with the coir?

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>>2809074
Nice to hear that anon. From my batch of Siberian paprika I got 7 plants from 10 seeds. I like the coir tabs, they seem to work fine so far, but I made some mistakes with them.
>>2809080
for low germination rate seeds like peppers or tomato using seed trays would be more efficient and economic, that is if you know how to prick the little plants and all that. for me as a noob the coir tables worked convenient, albeit some didn't germinate and I had to toss them and I still managed to fumble up re-potting for some plants.
sorry for the image residuals, my phone sensor seems to dislike my LED plant lights.

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>>2809086
as I wrote earlier I didn't trust the paper membrane, mostly because of 10-15 year old posts on the net saying the roots don't get trough and stunt the growth, so i removed the paper before re-potting. That was a bad idea, first because the roots make it very well trough the paper, you can see the little fingers and there is a dozen or so on each plant, plus the main root that comes out the bottom. Removing the paper ripped of half those roots and me then overwatering them stunted the growth of several of them and made them turn yellow. me using a humidity hood didn't help with that either.

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>>2809087
I switched to just plant them with the mesh/foil/paper thingey into the pots and this should work much better. so far all plants I re-potted like that look healthy and growing, but it has only been 2 days since. I removed the humidity hood during daytime and with the fans from the lamps this helped in drying the overwatered pots and bring them back to normal.
It's a learning curve I guess.

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Any pepino enjoyers here?
I'm planning to grow them for the first time this year, what am I in for?

>>2809080
>>2809086
I’m not against coir tabs at all, it’s just that these suck. I had to cut open the top to get to the “soil” to plant my seeds and they “grew” totally uneven so now they’re all wobbly, falling over as soon as I move the mini greenhouse.

>>2809126
>falling over as soon as I move the mini greenhouse
Are you simulating wind at all?

I hope this is the right board/thread

What’s the best scented jasmine I can grow in the south east of England please? I had some poet’s jasmine in a planter but it died over winter

>>2809130
/an/'s /plant/ general might also be of help for non-edible stuff
>>>/an/4940731

>>2809127
i think he meant the stability of the coco tabs. right?

>>2809127
>>2809132
Yeah, I’m regularly strapping it to the panier of my bike to give them peppers some wind!
(I’m just occasionally turning it around 180 degrees so they don’t grow in one direction. I think simulating wind is a bit overblown)
>>2809132
Yes.

>>2809131
Thank you

I'm usually too lazy to plant across the entire surface of my vegetable garden but is that actually a bad thing?
It's the first day of autumn/fall now and I'm getting started to plant some autumn/winter crops because my summer crops failed, should I be aiming at getting everything growing? Or is the risk of exposed soil overstated?

>>2809152
Use a ground cover like creeping/woolly/elfin thyme or get a bale of straw and cover your exposed soil with it. Rake it back in the spring so your soil can warm up and then rake it back into place.

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It's march, and I'm an idiot.
I have a tiny veg patch, what should I sow this month? Parsnips? Turnips?

>>2809169
Parsnips, Radishes, Turnips, Leeks, Chives, Onions, Potatoes, Carrots, Snow Peas. Keep an eye for any interesting local plants that happen to be growing by your garden. Great way of getting free edible/ornamental plants while propogating stuff suited for your climate.

beans have spouted. stay tuned for photo evidence

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My bell peppers have all sprouted except the premium seed package I bought. Such high quality, they had only six seeds per package. Even the age old, moldy seeds I've carried around with me for the two times I've moved and that smelled of urine had a few sprouts. Just my luck.

>>2809238
cut your nails
then check if they do refunds

I have less space this year so I'm starting late and doing less but I'll still be testing a lot of stuff, for now got seeds of 12 cultivars of peppers including 6 new for field testing in soil.

>>2807648
last year i tried to grow potatoes but nothing really got all that big, i think it's because the soil was too heavy with clay so it didn't break down very well

any suggestions on what i can do about it this year? Should I just grow something like beets to break down all the soil this year?

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>>2807648
Sister has a Persimmon tree that is growing kind of leggy. It got tall decently fast but stayed skinny. Basically like it couldn't support itself to it has been tied to a metal pole to keep it up and has a bunch of strings/ropes holding it up. It has some branches too which remained skinny and because it has fruit it's just hanging towards the ground. It's around 1.5m tall now but yeah not very bushy in terms of leaves

Never had trees grow like this. I'd say it's in a good sunny spot too. Gets the good sun from sunrise to around 3 or 4pm but not much of that harsh late afternoon sun.

Any tips to get it thicker and bushier. I recently moved into her backyard and want to try and get it in better condition during my stay

>>2809273
I'm not an expert, but I would remove any support and thin the fruit if you are worried about it snapping the branches.

I wish I could give small scale growing a try, like a field to grow multiple vegetables on
It seems like a fun challenge

>>2807648
My place doesn't have its own toilet. I have a shared bathroom /toilet. What are your thoughts on disposing of my cum tissues in the kitchen scraps tub then disposing of in my compost in the morning?

Really don't want to be going outside at night to flush the tissues down the toilet

>>2809311
Compostable but may eventually become a smell/visual issue if too many are dumped in at a short time.

>>2809238
>keimfähigkeitsgarantie
Guess you’ll have to try if they honor their warranty.
Apart from that: the whole design of that packaging looks anything but premium. Looks like some cheapo discounter brand or obi or Globus or whatever house brand.
But speaking of cheapo discounter seeds: my seed packets from Aldi for less than a quarter of the price you’d pay for name-brand seeds all worked fine last year. Of course, just some random cultivars and no special heirloom seeds, but for getting into some stuff, seeing if it works for you and if you like it, I’d say they’re great!

>>2809311
Not a problem, I dump a ton of used towels, cardboard and paper into my compost with kitchen scraps during winter when I have no other source of browns.
Great source of carbon, as long as you don't introduce something nasty like a towel used to wipe motor oil.

>>2809257
Grow a crop of radishes. You'll only lose a month and they'll loosen the soil for you

>>2809302
Try container gardening. There are a lot of vegetable varieties suitable for containers.

>>2809311
Should be fine. Don't use actual tissues though. They usually have lotion in them to prevent rubbing your nose raw. Toilet paper or paper towels are a safer bet.

I bought some cover crop mix for autumn
It has oats, broccoli, buckwheat, clover, fenugreek and vetch
Should I supplement it with broad beans and field peas or is it too much?
Also any danger of this shit crossbreeding?
I'm thinking that I should let some of it go to seed so I don't need to buy any seeds later on

>>2809313
>>2809323
>>2809339

So even with my cum in them it should be fine? I have a bin inside for just coffee grounds/filters. That should absorb or suppress cum smell right. And the cum won't affect the worm farm and compost pile much?

Btw I use toilet paper I should have added

Hard months.
Rain tank empty, no water, no rain, no money. Local co-op shut down, 250 year old tree dying, irrigation needs work, more work than I can cope with because I've got no money to fix anything

>>2809414
asl?

>>2809366
It shouldn't since the toilet paper provides plenty of labile carbon. You could have an issue with nitrogen poisoning (string of pearls) if you were busting fat loads right onto the soil since there's so much protein in cum, but you'd need to be putting out some VOLUME.

>>2809414
Rough. Good luck, anon.

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Lots of fails, moderate amount of successes. Hopefully these make it

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I love all the different leaf shapes figs can have

>>2809336
not too bad of an idea. I was thinking of just throwing tons of organic material on top and planting some berry bushes out there.

I'm in 5B, our last frost is usually first week of May, but maybe I'll check out the weather and get radishes out there in like early April, start watering, then be ready to plant I bet mid May if the weather holds up? What do you think? This is a hard place to grow shit in because it gets hot as dick out here in southern colorado in the summer, but worth a shot either way

>>2809414
Piss on the tree
Source: It came to me in a dream

>>2809458
If you're looking at berries, take mulberry, highbush variety blueberries and alpine strawberries into consideration. In terms of potatoes, you can grow them with the same method. Most potatoes I've grown were either in the process of being composted, or scraps blown from the pile. Yukon variety potatoes (among others I don't remember offhand) are excellent at handling frost and can handle being planted earlier. Sunchokes are an easier alternative as well, but they're known to cause indigestion and are difficult to remove once established.

>>2809456
sexy

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>>2809464
ty

Also just got the last of my 'mater and pepper seeds in, getting ready to start them this weekend. The 8 weeks until last frost date cannot pass soon enough. What are you guys growing this year?

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>>2809497
cucumbers

>chives have started growing back
>sage, rosemary, and thyme seem to have survived the winter
Looks like the season has started.
Is it worthwhile to attempt to grow carrots in-ground? I’ve heard that they do much better in containers or raised beds due to the looser soil

>>2809511
Yes unless you are growing into something really bad like almost pure clay or you have a ton of stones in soil
Then better planting something like broad beans that can tolerate heavy soil well and doesn't mind a few pebbles

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There is a campaign by special people to deride anything from Baker Creek. The company has basically stated they want to preserve history and the heritage of seeds. Their collaboration with Clive Bundy was about an ancient watermelon variety that was grown by Natives. Then we get the special people always stir the pot by adding racism, and cultural appropriation.

Note that the OP is a 1-year experienced gardener. Doesn't specify the germination rates nor showed a fair comparison of what is going on. The picture of the seed packets are of seeds that I would not say are easy like a sunflower. These are seeds that are hit or miss from ANY company if you don't know how to properly sow them.

All of the seeds I bought from Baker Creek have sprouted. Just trying to give a fair voice for this company because special people are tearing them down.

how deep a pot do i need to grow garlic?

>>2809534
Before I planted them in a garden plot I grew them in 10 inches of soil with good results. I have never tried anything less. It was an old barrel cut in half it's around 17 inches in diameter.

>>2809302
Grow herbs.
Fresh herbs are pretty clutch for cooking and do fine in pots. You can also grow rosemary pretty much anywhere--that bitch is a beast once it gets established.

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Bros why are my tomato seedlings "stuck"?
I started these early February under my lamp but they almost stopped growing soon after they came out. Could it be temperature? It's hard to get my old house over 20 Celsius.
Should I just kill these and start again as long as it's still soon enough?
Also I used grow substrate normally used for weed maybe it's the soil?

>>2809534
As little as 15 cm is enough for good yield in my experience, gotta watch moisture tho, pots this shallow dry out really fast

>>2809527
The guy in their commercials makes me not want to buy from them

>>2809560
>15 cm is enough
are you the Bavarian guy from /int/?

>>2809555
Nah, they look fine. They might grow faster with more heat and light, but the soil should be fine. Weed needs a lot of nitrogen and tomatoes don't, so if you kept scaling up your pot with that same soil you'd end up with a huge tomato bush that didn't produce very many tomatoes, but that's exactly the kind of growth you want at the beginning to maximize your yield. Sandier soils can also help with tomato growth so next time try mixing in crushed lump charcoal that's been soaked in a compost tea into your soil.

Once you've started your garden this Spring, how many hours would you say you spend working on it each week?

I'm thinking about getting into compost but my concern is about sourcing the different components
I can't get any leaves since I only have evergreens on my land, I mow my lawn, I eat a lot of fruit and vegetables and I don't produce a ton of garden waste
Where exactly do you source your greens and browns?

>>2809641
Btw is it normal to not produce anywhere near enough compost for your garden?
Even if I were to get the ratio right I don't think I'd be able to produce enough compost for the size of my beds

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What do you guys think of these cheapish polytunnels? It doesn't get hot enough here in the summer for peppers and tomato's so I want to amp that, plus they'd protect the same from colder winters (coastal CA, 75 in summer is a hot day, 80 is heat wave, yet in winter it got as low as 36f overnight)

https://www.homedepot.com/p/VEVOR-Walk-in-Tunnel-Greenhouse-10-ft-W-x-20-ft-D-x-7-ft-H-Portable-Plant-Greenhouse-with-Galvanized-Steel-Hoops-Green-YDSDWS20107FTIA39V0/322778811?source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&srsltid=AfmBOooSWFrC1A3GCF0M-aX9kyo2onZW_3354m0qemcpQ3LzGxEg9IPMsrU&gQT=1

>>2809643
They get pretty hot. You'll probably need fans.

>>2809645
Do you find they break down and material needs replaced decently fast?

>>2809637
bout three fiddy

>>2809641
>>2809642
Define 'enough compost'. The nutrients in compost are bound up well enough that only 10% are available in the first year unless you help it decompose by making compost tea or something similar. For that reason it's generally accepted that you can't provide all your nutrients with compost alone. If you're conditioning your soil then it's recommended not to incorporate more than 20% soil organic carbon into your soil because more than that can inhibit plant growth. Compost is about 50% organic carbon so you want less than 2" for every 6" of soil depth you're amending. You can also use the solids left over from making compost tea to condition your soil. You certainly won't need to apply that much every year because it takes a long time to break down and if you're doing a no till system then it will take years to be incorporated into the soil. In my experience I've always had plenty of compost unless I wanted to do something like amend an entire lawn.

You can compost pine needles and grass. Pine needles are a carbon source. If you don't have enough to balance the grass then you'll need another labile carbon source like straw or paper waste. You'll need a bulking agent to keep the grass from sticking together. Most people use wood chips as a bulking agent and sift them out after composting. I prefer a few bags of cheap lump charcoal. Once you have enough material (at least 1 cubic yard) you use the Berkeley method. Turn it every 2-4 days and keep it watered. It should be finished after the 6th or 7th turn. You can finish it in 2 weeks if you balance it right and want it bad enough. Vermicomposting is easier and makes higher quality compost, but you need more carbon than hot composting and certain things can kill your worms.

>>2809645
Personally I (in UK climate) roll up the door in late morning and shut it in early evening during warmer months.
>>2809652
Depends on how you define "decently fast" but you'll probably get a few years out of it; exactly how long will probably vary by how much strong sun/wind you get and possibly which one you buy (I don't have enough personal experience to say what brands/types to seek/avoid).

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I just broke my rake (the metal one in this photo), which sucks because I was hoping to finish leveling this today so I could start planting stuff tomorrow

>>2809641
Sure, you can optimize your composting, but in the end, the process that was done for, like, forever, isn’t rocket science:
>throw plant waste on pile
>maybe add some food scraps and manure
>wait a year or more
>spread pile on ground
>plant stuff
>repeat
Maybe just include some modern findings (only known since a hundred years or so) on pathogens (no dog and human shit, no huge piles of meat or corpses, unless you know what you’re doing) and you’ll be fine.

>>2809714
Plant stuff anyways

>>2809576
Still no progress...I think I'll start a new batch as long as I still can.
Does anyone know how sensitive tomatoes are to irregular lighting times? I do about 20 hours a day and then give them 4 hours break. The chilis and the devil's lettuce are doing fine.

Is it a good idea to use bagged soil that has been colonized by some sort of fungus to start my seedlings?

>>2809652
Hard to say because it depends on the plastic. The plastic gets brittle after awhile.

>>2809710
If it doesn't say the type of plastic it uses it's probably something to avoid, if it does you can usually look up that type of plastic and find out how durable it is.

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Made my plan finally and got some seeds started today.
Each bed is in the main garden is 3x10ft, herb garden each bed is 3x6ft, 24-30 containers (5 gallon bucket or bigger). About 1,200 plus square footage of growing space.

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How would you design your back garden if it looked like this? Pic related, right now it's only tiles. I was thinking of ripping up most tiles besides the pathway. I might leave more tiles for a place I want a shed built and a under cover pergola so I have a nice place to sit outside. The remaining space I want to grow flowers/wild flowers maybe even fruit/vegetables. I also want a small patch to be left to grow wild, no seeds, just to see what will grow there. I don't mind grass but I don't think I'd want that yet as I won't have a shed to place a lawn mower yet. From the picture you can see what gets sunlight. My garden fence is high so there is going to be shade in the lower part of the picture. There will be more shade depending on where I want the shed and pergola to be. The back garden is sized around 6 by15 meters long. I was wondering how anyone here would design it as I am not that optimal at doing stuff like this. My goal is to have a nice garden which wildlife/insects are attracted to, if fruit/veg grow nice bonus but I'm not going to seriously try min/maxing food or anything.
According to the "Koppen Climate Map" I live in a Cfb zone.

>>2809964
>15km
>6 miles
>just the back garden
are you a duke or something?

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>>2809967
I'm a retard. 6 meters by 15 meters. I'm not rich.

>>2809967
No anon, it's 6m*15km, so 6m*15000m.
Anon's backgarden rivals Chile in elongation.

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>>2809968
now i like you, at least you're a metric retard.

>>2809964
Kind of hard to give you advice if you don't have a concrete plan on what to do with it
I would start with deciding where I want pergola and shed then which part I want to give to wildlife and food stuffs
From there you can decide what kind of wildlife habitat to set up and what kind of veggies and fruit you want to grow
I would reserve some space for composting anyhow

>>2809870
If you do then try to keep the last batch around. Cut back the light too. 12-16 hours is plenty and more than that can stress plants out.

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How do you guys like my garden plan? Decided to keep it simple this year and not do that many veggies. I've got 72 mammoth sunflowers starting to make an artificial fence with and provide a little shade since the neighbor cut their tree down last fall.

>>2809987
You didn't even label green and grey part, how am I supposed to know?

>>2809988
Sorry anon I need to be free, I can't be labeling everything it would limit my creativity too much.

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>>2809986
Ok I will cut back. I just went for 20 because I've read chilis don't bother and 24/7 is ok. And these new LEDs are very cheap. I think I'm going to get a second lamp too and double the whole operation. I made more seedlings than I should have.
All this is my first time bothering with the hobby and it gives me so much joy. Really happy how most of it turns out. Better than any bullshit therapy lmao.

>>2809995
I am sorry if posting weed here isn't wanted but it's just such a satisfying plant to grow. IT MOVES if you watch it for half an hour. It's almost like an animal.

>>2809576
>Sandier soils can also help with tomato growth so next time try mixing in crushed lump charcoal
I do heat with wood and coal. Can I use it? How "clean" does the ash have to be? I sometimes burn stuff you aren't supposed to...

>>2809995
be careful with that second light, I managed to sunburn some of my chillis last weekend, I took the plastic hood off my tray because i wanted to dry the pots out a bit and thought the ventilators from the LED rack would help with that. 4 hours later I managed to burn around 1/3 of the leaves on all my habanada plants. luckily the other chilli breeds didn't take no damage at all, so I guess this breed is a bit more sensitive to sunburn. now they look like shite with many burnt and yellowing leaves. learning curve i guess.
I spend an hour or so a day just sitting there and watching my plants, so comfy.

>>2810003
No not for the same place I want to do another table just the same to get all the chilies there. Basically the same setup again.

>>2810003
Habana Lemon chilis? Because I have a few of those too

>>2810003
>I spend an hour or so a day just sitting there and watching my plants, so comfy.
Yes I didn't think it would be so satisfying either haha

>>2810003
Also Tabasco and cayenne does seem to be very easy. Should have replanted them alreatbut they are doing just fine. Today they'll get their final pots. I was broke until today.

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>>2810005
no, habanada, a non hot habanero variety, normal habaneros are way too hot for me.
they had great germination rates and did thrive, then I first removed the mesh from their coco tabs for repotting, thus damaging the roots, then overwatered them, then sunburnt them, and now most of them look shite. They gonna make it I guess but the stunted growth is on me.
pic related is from the net.
>>2810007
yes, this amongst other things helped me to get around my normal winter depression. had a lot of energy all winter and even my mood was good. guess the plants keep me happy.

>>2810009
>no, habanada, a non hot habanero variety,
Noted sounds nice.

>yes, this amongst other things helped me to get around my normal winter depression
This exactly. I do a lot of fishing and hiking and I feel like shit in the winter so I thought radagastmaxxing it is. Get as much life in here as possible.

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>>2810008
the easiest chilli I have in my box is Siberian paprika, a domestic variant from russia that is traditionally grown indoors and is used to low light conditions and short seasons. they have an impressive growth rate so far. might be because they are c. annum but they look a lot more robust then the different habanero varieties (c. chinenses) I have. also, because I grow only non hot habaneros this siberian pepper is actually the hottest thing I grow, around 30k scoville.
net image again

>>2810010
Main idea of the whole operation is to start stuff every few months because I want to see if I can harvest and have tomatoes, herbs and chilis in winter still. Another anon here did it so I wanna try too.

Stupidly enough I live innawoods and have a huge garden but the pests and animals out there are extreme.

>>2810010
if you are into non hot habaneros, i also grow aji dulce from venezuela and biquiho peppers from brasil, both should be full habanero flavour and zero heat.

>>2810011
Also noted. Good thread. My habanero seeds didn't sprout but my house is 300 years old and hard to get over 20 Celsius so I guess that was the problem.

Btw the lemon chilis are Ecuador not Habana my mistake. For some reason those are the ones doing best so far though

>>2810013
I like heat but I actually buy habaneros for the smell.l not the heat. I didn't know such a thing exists

>>2810014
I even used a thermal mat like in terrariums but the habaneros wouldn't come. Maybe bad seeds.

>>2810014
Yes, you need a heat mat under your germination box to get them going, they like 27°-28° soil temperature to germinate. the mat is only a few euros at a garden supply or animal shop (for reptiles).
Habanero is a pars pro toto name for cultivars of capsicum chinense, they are neither from Havana nor China, but the Caribbean and tropical south America. They just got the name because a Chinese guy in Havana was selling them to the botanist who named them.
Your lemon drops are capsicum baccatum, a different species of the capsicum family. Maybe they are just better adapted to slightly colder conditions because they are from the highlands in the Andes mountains.

>>2810017
Yep I tried the mat. See above. Still didn't work. It gets really cold here at night no matter how much I try. Can't get up every 2 hours to fill the stove haha

>>2810017
Much information to process. As I said I have no idea what I am doing but learning by doing was always my favorite.

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>>2810015
I spent some time in the Caribbean and there they use those non hot habaneros as "seasoning peppers" on the English speaking islands. they look and smell exactly like a habanero, my nose hairs tingled and i broke a sweat just from smelling them. but when you eat them, they have zero heat, they are like regular bell pepper / paprika. the smell and taste is very strong habanero, locals normally snack them, but i preferred to put them in a salad, just a few pods give a strong taste, more like a herb than a normal vegetable.
pic related is again not mine, but yeah, thats what a bag of seasoning peppers from the market looks like. they also make and sell seasoning pepper sauce, which is fucking great.

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>>2810022
Fuck that sounds good. And all I have I some microwave burgers.

>>2810022
You're a Chef aren't you? I tried to become one and then rather hit the military wich was waaaaay more chill than cooking. A lot of chefs from Germany tend to go on cruises and learn other countries cooking.

>>2810002
>I sometimes burn stuff you aren't supposed to...
Like what?

>>2810009
>A Habanada pepper is a sweet, heatless pepper that's a cross between a habanero pepper and a natural mutation.
Why not just grow bell peppers at that point.

>>2810027
Well you know those retarded EU bottleheads that are fixed to the bottle? I rip em off and use em to start my stove.

>>2810028
Different taste.

>>2810028
Much more concentrated taste I guess

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Spent some time today with some music on folding 36 seedling pots. The germination rates on my seeds have been a lot higher than anticipated, and I don't have the space for all those plants.
I figured throwing them away is kind of sad so I made these paper pots, then any relative or friend can have as many as they want and what's left after that I'll put on the street for passersby to take for free.
These won't get any growlights or heatmat (again, no space), so I'm looking forward to see how many of them make it.

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>>2810026
nope, I am no chef, but my grandma was a professional chef, two of my uncles and one aunt are chefs with their own restaurants and food and cooking always have been important in our family. But i went to the Caribbean solely because i found a cheap way to get there and because i like rum. But I'm always happy to eat my way trough the local food market and check out new stuff. And the seasoning peppers stuck, thats why i grow them (or the closest thing I could get for seeds), I need that heavenly taste without the pain.

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>>2810033
>a cheap way to get there and because i like rum

>>2810028
as stated before, i wanted to get Caribbean seasoning peppers, but the seeds are hard to come by here. so i bought all the non hot habanero varieties i could find, venezuelan aji dulce, brazilian biquinho pepers and habanada from the usa. I'm fairly certain the aji dulce and biquinhos will taste close to what i'm looking for, not so sure about the habanadas, but i guess i'll find out if i don't kill the poor plants for good.

>>2810033
It's a common thing about being a Chef that when you finished your local apprenticeship you go on a cruise and cook or something like that. Was most guys goal actually. At least it was 20 years ago. Basically learn hot cooking lol

>>2810034
I paid 474 Euros to fly from Europe to the Caribbean and back. And I visited half a dozen or so distilleries.

>>2810037
You made your ancestors proud that day.

Holy shit I just realised, why do I buy seeds so often when I could just let my plants go to seed and get infinite seeds?

>>2810047
You still end up buying a lot of seeds even when you save your own because you see shit like this >>2810022 >>2810009 and go fuck I want to grow this stuff too

Bros I just got some fuyu persimmon trees so I can get a mini fruit orchard going with minimal maintenance I didn't want something I had to spray for pests but I just found out eating too many persimmons can cause stomach stones (bezoars). I'm not sure how likely this actually is but not sure the risk is worth it. Is there another fruit tree I should consider? I was thinking about a plum tree but it seemed like a little more maintenance. Maybe a mulberry tree would be better but they are hard to find in person. What else is there?

>>2810047
You didn't keep seeds before anon? Talk about throwing out money.
Keep seeds from each year and start building your own seed bank, then add/buy 1-2 new varieties each year to change things up, like >>2810048 when you see something that interests you.
That way you save money, the bulk of your growing is proven varieties you know how to handle, and yet you have some new stuff to keep things fresh and have a project.

>>2807838
I have jujube in my yard. It started producing fruit when it was around 4' tall and 6' across. It tasted like a really sweet apple. It's good for me because I can't grow apple in my climate but idk if you'd go for that

>>2810047
>>2810048
>>2810075
I live in zone 9/10 and I have not a ton of experience gardening. I've been doing it for 15 years, but very inconsistently, and using a lot of different techniques like indoor hydroponic for leafy greens. Most of the stuff I can grow are beets ad carrots which take 2 years to flower, or peppers which come in so many different varieties that it's impossible to get pure genetics in a home garden. I'm just kind of venting, I love living in my climate because I have a lot of tropical trees, but it makes the traditional veggie growing very frustrating

>>2810032
kind of you. this way you don't have to throw away perfectly good plants. did you find the folding plan for the pots on /po/?

>>2810002
You're going have to make that decision yourself keeping in mind that coal has a lot of heavy metals. Ash, coal, and charcoal are all very different too. You want the charcoal, which has a structure similar to wood. Coal and ash have no structure and ash is very basic. Charcoal is produced by burning wood in the absence of oxygen.

>>2810032
Great idea. How did you fold them?

Looking for suggestions for plants I can grow indoors year-round. So far I have a few ferns, succulents, and also a lemon tree.
Lemon tree has been a pretty fun project, it's only a foot tall right now, but it's only a few months old.

Ideally something that doesn't need a ton of light. I have some spaces indoors that can get full light, but most of my house has poor natural lighting.
Thanks and happy growing :)

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>>2810133
>>2810144
See picrel for how to fold them (Sorry if it's shit to follow along, I never made a origami/papercraft guide before).
If you prefer a video, this one is the one I used as a guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0XSBHcso-8
That one uses A4, there's plenty of ones for newspapers around too. The shape doesn't have to be exact, so US formats should also work.
Some people really hate the external flaps this design results in, if that describes (you) as well, you can either fold the flaps inside and use soil to keep them in place (as described in the picture) or use another design like https://youtu.be/4ulmL2oUr4M?si=prfQ8W6YI24kmTG9 .
That second video design looks neater, but is less stable and unfolds easier, so I'm not a big fan of it personally.

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>>2810172
>>2810032
The current state of affairs.
I ended up with a total of 45 paper pots.
2 rows of sugar rush stripey, 1 row each trinidad scorpion and aji charapita, lowest row is reserved for capsicum anuum, which are still in their ziploc bag (started those later).

Physalis and capsicum anuum ziplocs are on one half of the heatmat, the other half is under the mini greenhouse with coconut coir tabs. The greenhouse has what will be my actual plants, for the paper pots I'll look how they fare.
If they die it's no big deal and those that survive will be given away to friends, relatives and what's left to random passersby on the street.
"Grow lights" are some random chinesium lights, if I were to do things over I'd just get white LEDs. They do have a built in timer though, so that's neat.

>>2810162
I don't grow any plants for fruit inside, but if we're just talking indoor decoration/wanting some green, then look into everything from the family araceae. A lot of them can handle (relatively speaking) low light, less than ideal watering conditions, shitty soil and most things a beginner may do wrong due to mostly growin in the tropics. They won't grow much if you don't take good care of them, but they rarely will die either - perfect for some low maintenance greenery. That family includes monstera deliciosa (inb4 those have fruit - I know, work with me here), peace lily, philodendrons and a bunch more. Plus they tend to be cheap to buy.

Planted onions, peas and broad beans today
Will plant radishes and carrots tomorrow

I've got a 20x30 foot bed that I plan on devoting entirely to potatoes. I estimate I will need ~50 lbs of seed potatoes. Looking online, this will cost me >$180. Wtf? That's ridiculous. $60 of that is shipping costs, but buying the little bags of seed potatoes they sell at home depot and shartmart seems like it would be even more expensive even without the shipping cost.
In the past I've grown small plots of potatoes with grocery store taters that sprouted and it worked fine, but it seems they can carry disease. Is it really necessary to use seed potatoes or can I just buy a bag from the store?

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>>2810232
Okay what?
Go to a farm store near you. They have giant fucking bags of taters. Usually, they’re even on sale.

TIL watering the field where you sowed your seed speeds up their germination

>>2810252
Any idea where to get cheap seed garlic?

I scraped down my old beehives and frames yesterday and got like a pound of propolis.

What should I do with all of this? I made propolis tincture a few years ago but nobody was ever really interested in it. Might try making swarm lure crayons out of dirty old brood comb wax, propolis, and a few drops of lemongrass oil

>>2810297
Why not just plant the one from your local supermarket?
That's what I did last winter. It's looking good so far, 100% sprouted.

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>>2810297
Same deal homie. They should have garlic, asparagus, and onions right by the taters.
But yes you can also start from the store but you’re going to be waiting a year to 18 months to harvest that way.
I got mine from a huge clump of wild garlic last spring.

>>2810162
Lemons trees need a ton of bright light. Probably the worst plant to keep indoors.

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Onions, carrots, radishes, broad beans and peas are planted
I'll be doing onion -> tomatoes, onion -> cucumbers and radish -> tomatoes succession this year, small trial I did last year worked really well

>>2810162
Coffee plant, doesn't need a ton of light, easy to grow and you get coffee cherries if you do well

>>2810297
Named cultivars can get very expensive for some reason so just buy a small amount and multiply it for next year, that's what I did.
Or you could play slots in a grocery, you might roll something good if you get lucky.

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Any advice on growing peanuts?
I already tried last year and year before that and my results were very mediocre
Last year I tried planting them in various places like pic related but it didn't really help, I wonder if it's my heavy soil that is the problem

I have a lot of shit sandy hydrophobic soil and I'm putting up raised garden beds
Should I buy soil either bagged or in bulk or should I dig up the soil that I have and mix it with bagged or bulk compost?

>>2810317
If you keep it in a tiny pot it will root bind and turn dwarf. I had one for 20 years like that until I left it with a family member and they stopped watering it so it died. They are great little decorative trees.

>>2810297
I just bought some from a farmers market last year (it's already sprouting). It was grown in my region and it's already growing gangbusters.
It was way over priced but I got over 40 plants out of it so it saved me money in the end.
>>2810303
The supermarket ones are shit. Sometimes they bleach them. Only buy it if you know it's local otherwise it is likely imported from china or mexico and isn't hardened to your region.

>>2810361
>Should I buy soil either bagged or in bulk or should I dig up the soil that I have and mix it with bagged or bulk compost?
kinda hard to say, what is the bulk compost made of?

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>>2810297
You can save a couple of bucks if you stay away from "jumbo" sized garlic and just buy medium sized garlic. Most medium sized bulbs will size up in a year or two while jumbo is already at it's max size or close to it so it's kinda pointless.
You can find reasonably priced garlic on marketplace. It won't be till late summer depending on where you live.
If you are not worried about the type of garlic or flavor and more about the price. Go with softnecks they normally have more cloves per bulb then hardnecks.
In the end it's best to just invest in quality seed garlic. That way you know you're getting garlic that isn't full of diseases, viruses, and mold.

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I don't know if Walmart just is having a pricing error or they haven't updated the spring prices yet, but I just got 8 bags of 1.5 cubic feet of mushroom compost at $2.97 a pop. I don't know what's going on but I'm gonna probably do a few more trips. I swear it's usually like 6 bucks. That's what the going rate is at the other box stores.

I can't for the life of me keep rosemary alive in a pot. I might have to grow it in the ground.

>>2810501
Same. It looks like it’s kicking back in the ground this year. Same problem with keeping lavender going even in the ground it never wants to overwinter.

>>2807648
Where can I find seeds that aren't pre soaked in pesticides? After learning that 90% of seed companies do this, I can't trust anybody anymore.

>>2810510
Seed exchanges

Which plants have you had the best experiences with?
For me it's chillies, sage, thyme, eggplant, spring onions and the curry leaf plant

>>2810564
Oh also coriander but that only does well for me in winter and spring

>>2810564
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seriously, even mediocre homegrown stuff easily beats expensive store bought ones and they're rather easy to tend for.
>>2810565
tried coriander (cilantro) last year, but that didn't go anywhere. Maybe I sowed them at the wrong time? I was rather late with everything, due to reaosons, this year, I hope I'll do better.
Gotta start a bunch of seedlings in my greenhouse this week.
Gotta check what stuff I can start in March, I'll be 100% frost-free only in May (but likely already in april, but always when you assume
>this year's gonna have a warm spring, like almost every year
it's gonna freeze.

>>2810565
>>2810567
Cilantro is a bit of a diva in my experience, it gets stressed and starts to bolt so goddamn easily.

Is there anything better than an excel sheet for making a garden schematic?
I used to draw it on paper but I got tired of crossing stuff out, writing over it and redrawing the entire thing when I fuck up, excel is much better but still not as good as I would like it to be.

>>2810564
Peppers and onions, once planted they just grow as intended

>>2810564
Cherry tomato (had some issues with root rot with some of the larger varieties), chilis, jerusalem artichoke/sunchoke. None of these need much work and give you a lot of return.
Also herbs: rosemary, mint, sage, laurel, basil, thyme, lemongrass. All easy to grow and hard to kill (or in the case of mint and basil, they resow themselves anyways or grow back fast)

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>>2810573
They make erasers dawg.
>>2809911
I like grid paper it helps me layout and is easier to erase and move things around.

Ppppppp.

Proper prior planning prevents piss poor performance.

Got everything cleared out and picked up yesterday gonna try to turn over some beds and get ready to plant in a few weeks. 5A here.

>>2810452
If it hasn't been treated then you can mix it into your garden soil with some wood chips and it will grow mushrooms seasonally. You need to keep feeding it wod though.

>>2810569
>starts to bolt so goddamn easily
That just means free coriander

>>2810590
Amend your soil to be sandier and you won't have issues with root rot. Crushed lump charcoal will improve your soil more than sand, but make sure you soak it in a fertilizer like compost tea first.

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>>2810596
Sorry my ESL came out there. I didn't mean root rot, but rather blossom end rot. It was very variety dependent, but lucky for me the variety that had it bad was also the variety I disliked the most so I just don't grow it now.

>>2810569
Same.

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>Stick a bunch of haskap berry twigs after pruning into soil last year
>Forget about them for entire year
>Find them today when pruning lavender
>Have 4 new haskap berry plants
Feels good man

I set up a small greenhouse. How much earlier can I start seeds relative to their planting date? A few weeks earlier? A month earlier?

>>2810564
6A US here. I've had good luck growing Tomatoes, spinach, strawberries, sunflowers, Potatoes, and bush beans. I also grow Chamomile and Mint for teas. Strawberries, sunflowers, and the herbs in particular will do their own thing here without a problem. Chamomile has been a fun one because I can leave some flowers to seed and they'll pop up in random spots around the garden again next year. The sunflowers and strawberries attract lots of pollinators to them too and it's fun to watch them do their thing

Does it make any difference whether I use cheap store bought sweet potatoes meant for eating or expensive seed sweet potatoes meant for growing to make slips?

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Might be time to up pot her

>>2810609
Nice, my severely neglected honeyberries are just starting to wake up. Meant to get em in the ground last year and now the labels have faded so I don't know what's what

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im sifting my soil to plant potatoes and i already have 10 gallons of gravel and im only 1/8th through one of my plots, what the fuck do i do with all this?

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>>2807648
It’s happening bros. My peppers are sprouting! I’m a total noob, when do I transplant into a bigger pot?

>>2810625
The ones meant for eating usually have been sprayed with a plant hormone to delay sprouting and thus preserve them while the seed potatoes go through a selection process to ensure they're disease free

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>>2810630
I was gonna say make a gravel path or give it to someone but I thought of something else: a gravel "compost". If composting is about making an ideal condition for bacteria to break down organics, then gravel composting is about making an ideal condition to weather rocks into various minerals. It would be similar to what river plains do that create some of the world's most productive agriculture zones. Take fine stones and expose them to high erosion conditions (wind, flowing water, heat, freeze/thaw, bacteria, grinding stones against harder stones, acidic or alkali water). The smaller they are the faster this process should take. This should break them down into smaller and smaller particles until you're left with sand, salts (Potassium, Calcium, Magnesium), and their minerals(Iron, copper, zinc, sulfur). Leach out the minerals and salts with water, dry the water out, then use the washed out salts and minerals occasionally as a fertilizer or mix it in with compost to add minerals that normally get washed out. Composting will also give bacteria a chance to convert the minerals into a more bio-accessible form. The sand and clay can then be used as soil amendments. What you're left with will depend the composition of the local stone.

This idea probably has numerous issues in practice, but it could be an interesting backyard experiment

>>2810637
only when the second pair of real leaves has grown. the two leaves you see now are so called cotyledon and don't count. the cotyledon will unfold, then another pair of leaves will grow and unfold then another. then you can re-pot them.
also congrats anon, your first plant is always special.

>>2810637
t. Australian
Congrats though anon, it remains a great feeling each year when your stuff sprouts, but the excitement is a lot larger the first time.
Follow the advice of >>2810645 , first 2 leaves aren't "real" leaves and act more as a nutrient storage for the seeds rather than actual leaves, so until then the plants don't even need to be in soil technically, thought it helps with root development.
Your job right now is to keep them moist, give them enough light so they don't get leggy and keep them at the right temp.

>>2810637
I'm not sure how big your cells are nor what you have there but usually you wait until it has 2 or 4 true leaves developed.
Don't rush it tho, if you try to take it out too early root ball can easily fall apart, it won't kill the plant (usually) but it will set it back, at least wait until 2 first leaves are fully developed.

>>2810644
>just soak the rocks in a bucket of water for 1000 years until they dissolve

>>2810658
Soaking it in ordinary still water won't do much. What's on the surface has likely already been exposed to many years of rain water which took away anything water soluble. It's all about rapidly changing up the conditions to wear them down and expose new minerals. Crush it up to expose new surfaces, soak them in something mildly acidic, grind them against each other, sandblast them, soak them in warm biologically active water, freeze and thaw them, stir them around, rotate these steps. Do what nature already does but with greater chaos and intensity to accelerate the process

When I checked my peppers this morning some of the leaves drooping. On the plants that were drooping it was only one leaf. The rest were fine. It was drooping and slightly curling inwards. I turned the lights on but no change yet as it's only been an hour. What do?

Also the dirt they are in is not too wet and not too dry, they got to 60f overnight but now it's 80f. Multiple different peppers are doing this, I'm growing red and orange habs and boonie peppers and Thai peppers.

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>>2810637
>>2810645
>>2810650
>>2810653
Ty for the advice m8’s. This is the first year I’ve had ample space for a nice garden and I’m looking to dive right in. I’m sowing tomatoes and herbs as well. I got pic related set up today.

>>2810637
Soil looks a bit too wet

>>2810681
Wishing you the best anon. Tomato, chili and herbs are good starter plants. Easy to grow, high yield, resistant to accidents.

>>2810720
for germination it is ok because it reduces the risk of helmets, but after germination it should be drier, you're right there.

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Elderberries are starting to wake up too

>>2810746
Huh. Where do you get plant dog tags?

>>2810750
Amazon, Emboss-O-Tag

What’s some good squash/pumpkin to try if you like Hokkaido but don’t like butternut and sphagetti squash?
I think I once had acorn and that was nice, but that’s a long time ago.
(Starting my seedlings and I want a second squash besides Hokkaido)

>>2810644
>>2810658
>>2810663
This idea isn't as ridiculous as it sounds.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11300357/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4320215/

Would I need to anchor a raised bed with rebar if I was building on a 10° slope, or will wooden stakes suffice? Will be 8’x4’x16 in, so about 1.6 cubic yards of soil.
Also wondering if chicken wire at the base would deter voles.

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>>2807648
So far so good. Even most of the cripple tomatoes seem to pull through.

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>>2810885
oh sorry about the sage lol. i have tons of it in ze garden though.

also its almsot wild garlic/bärlauch time. in a few weeks i will have kilos of the stuff in the woods behind the house. anyone know good ways to keep it well other than drying? like maybe pickling or pesto? it needs to keep well without cooling.

I'm really dissatisfied with tomato selection in previous years so I'm doing large trial of 13 new cultivars this year, 11 of them being indeterminate.
I'm only planting one tomato cultivar I used before because it was really good (Black Cherry), everything else I planted so far was meh.

>>2810885
looks comfy.

I just realised, that the liquid fertiliser I bought for my chilli plants is manure based and even a teaspoon of it in a can makes the water smell like liquid shit and stinking up the entire room. time to buy new fertiliser i guess.

>>2810919
>13 new cultivars
Whatcha growin' anon?

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>>2810919
there is this non profit org from switzerland saving old breed plant and animal species. they have 178 old breed tomato cultivars from all over the world in their list with detailed descriptions, many adapted to special climatic or soil conditions.
https://www.prospecierara.ch/pflanzen/sortenfinder.html
maybe you can into german/french/italian otherwise there is always google translate

>>2810921
I'll just paste my list:
Mirabell
Cabosse F1
Black Prince
San Marzano 3
Red Pear
Malinowy Warszawski
Malinowy Ożarowski
Malinowy Kapturek
Oxheart Red
Beefsteak
Costoluto Fiorentino
Maliniak
Black cherry
Balkonzauber

>>2810923
We have something like this here too, it's not a non profit but they have over 700 cultivars of tomato seeds for sale
https://pomidorlandia.pl/pl/4/pomidory-nasiona

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>>2810925
I just remembered I photographed those

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Went to the nursery to get a replacement for a dead blueberry, noticed this guy felt a little suspicious, sure enough it's two plants. It doesn't look like a sucker, I wonder why they would put two in there

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finished my "greenhouse" today. cheap-o $35 tractor supply co "outdoor greenhouse" and some mylar blankets to line the interior cause it's still just barely hovering above freezing out here and the room it's in has no central air and is mostly windows. gonna rig up the vipar spectra tomorrow and plant some seeds boyee.

>>2810926
Nice.
I got Big Beef, San Marzano, Better Beef, Purple Passion, Yellow Pear, Mountain Fresh, Primo Red, Juliete, Roma, Jet Star, Pink Girl, and Abe Lincoln going.

>>2810920
Just keep your can outside. Manure based fertilizers are much better than synthetic.

>>2811041
not practicable at the moment.

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Starting my tomatoes indoors this weekend. Mostly Early Girl as I've had the best luck with them. 1 Sweet Million cherry should do but I'll start a few to be safe. I picked up a few more grow lights that were on clearance. The 2 lit shelves wasn't going to cut it once I started moving stuff to larger pots.

>>2811141
Stupid AI, thought that was the only one without a typo, but it has one too. Also can't tell left from right in prompt.

>>2811141
Fuck, that would go hard if it was a real mural or whatever.

>>2811041
got me some organic vegan tomato fertiliser made from plant material from the hippy garden shop. smells like onions sauce. i hope you are happy now!

>>2811142
I'm more put off by that patch of roots on the snow side ending in nothing.

How do I stop having a black thumb?

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I added the two new clearance grow lights to my rack. They were screw in lights not self powered but I had some wired sockets from clamp on work lights.

The lower one I tied to the rack above it. Since the panels rotate I mounted it with the socket facing to the rear otherwise there wouldn't have been room.

For the upper one I rigged up a mount with stuff I had laying around. A 3/4" pvc water pipe, 2 u-bolts securing it to the rack, a piece of aluminum angle channel I bent into a 90. I squeezed one end with a vise so it would fit down the pipe. The other end I sawed off one side of the channel leaving a flat tab. Then I drilled two holes and used bolt and some all-round to secure the light socket. The light itself has 2" of height adjustment, I can also slide the pole up and down.

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>>2811212
Mangled angle channel that holds the light to the pole.

>>2811212
It’ll be a bitch now, but I’d try to get a layer of plastic under the whole thing to catch messes.

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cuces got iced

>>2811237
F

>>2811237
They might come back. The true leaves look frost free

>>2811192
I am. Thank you, anon

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>>2810172
>>2810179
Little update on my chilis this year:
Transplanted the capsicum anuums only today, so they will need some time to catch up.
Everything seems to be growing decently, better than last year for sure.
An interesting thing is the difference in varieties depending on the method, top picture is just paper pots filled with soil at room temperature (non heated room, just ambient temp).
Bottom is usually covered by a plastic hood and partially on a heatmat (the other half I use for seed germination). Both have identical lights over them with 12 h cycles.
Interestingly while the Trinidad scorpions (4th column in greenhouse) seem to profit a lot from the greenhouse method (already growing the first true leaves), the Sugar Rush (4th and 5th column) are getting strangely leggy, to the point where the paper pot ones seem healthier.
Also I really should have lined that wooden tray with a plastic bag before putting all the pots in, it's growing some moldy stuff on the bottom because the wood keeps getting soaked from watering. Well, something to improve upon next year.
The first physalis seeds have also started opening today, so I'm excited to transplant those soon (tm).

>>2811297
Oh also the last column in the greenhouse are from a fruit from the sugar rush last year that developed something like spikes on it, so I separated those to see if that trait would transfer to the next generation via the seeds. They seem to grow noticeably slower than the other sugar rush seeds, no idea yet if that's a good or bad sign.

>>2811297
They do look quite leggy, can't you increase timer to 16 or even 18 hours on?

>>2811299
The shitty one I got is limited to 12h max timer unfortunately, though I can put the normal LED bulb on too or something manually maybe.
It's only the ones in the greenhouse that get so leggy, might be a mixture of the heat encouraging fast growth and the condensation on the plastic diffusing the light somehow (then again, the average energy per square area should be identical so I'm not sure that's it). Might take away the hood of the greenhouse for a bit to help a bit.

>>2810915
Are ramps the same thing? I do pickled ramps almost every year, make them with a spicy pickling liquid, love throwing them on sandwiches. I’ve seen pesto done with them as well, but it’s a bit too punchy for my taste.

Thinking of getting a peach tree. Debating between dwarf and semi-dwarf. Anything I should know or consider?

>>2810915
I also found a few giant patches this year. When is the best time to start picking?
I also want to bring a few home to plant in a shady area. Should I dig up a few bulbs or wait for them to seed?

>>2811363
getting two

>>2811363
Go for the semi-dwarf

>>2811477
Also this. I ended up with Redhaven and Contender because I knew they would perform well in my area

>>2811301
Hey bro. They are leggy because the lights. Those lights are not even close to providing enough light for plants or seedlings. At that distance they measure around 75 PPFD. Thats only for the area directly below. Even an inch to the side and the PPFD goes way down. You need to keep that type of light directly on top of each plant, almost touching them. And you need multiple light bars, each seedling needs the light bar directly on top and as close as possible.

You might be ok now but they will get sickly, grow extremely slow, and maybe even die. This is from experience. Look into needed light levels please.

chop and drop cover crops or compost them?

>>2811517
Compost is easier. But it doesn't matter.

>>2811490
I appreciate the advice anon, but then I'm unsure why the seedlings that are not in the mini greenhouse are seemingly fine, they are much more and have an equal light, meaning per plant they should be getting even less light overall.

>>2811517
Drop them if you don't already have a mulch

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Guess I should put them into some pots.
Tomatoes also starting to sprout, but my fava beans don’t sowed outdoors three weeks ago are still MIA.

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Found sweet potatoes with cultivar name written on the box in my local market so I decided to take 2 small ones to make some slips, will see how well they do.

>>2810011
Habanda seeds I ordered from a shady website which is the only place I could find selling them locally finally came in so I'll be able to verify those claims assuming they germinate and they didn't send me some sort of generic pepper seeds

>>2811301
I fan my seedlings lightly for 2 x 15 min a day, the shaking makes them grow strong stems. I had some who wanted to go lanklet, but a few days of fanning later and they developed a nice strong stem.
>>2811609
nice anon, i hope they really do what it says on the packaging. also curious which one of my chilli variants is closest to the carribean seasoning peppers and if they even make it here.

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>>2811237

>>2811616
>I fan my seedlings lightly for 2 x 15 min a day, the shaking makes them grow strong stems. I had some who wanted to go lanklet, but a few days of fanning later and they developed a nice strong stem.
I'm gonna feel like a retard while doing it, but I'll do that starting morrow kek.

>>2811624
if you have a ventilator you can use that, just run it on a low setting and far enough away so you only get a gentle breeze on them saplings. 20-30 minutes a day and they develop strong stems.

>>2811624
Fanning them for 30 minutes isn't going to do shit. You need to have them fanned all day.

>>2811655
bullshit, theres no need for that. half an hour a day will help plenty.

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>>2811666
Satan has spoken! I just tousle mine occasionally, that ought to do.
In other news: (read in James Clarksons voice)
>I had a brainwave! Witness my genius! I have made a thing. Home made tags from a large yogurt bucket.
James May:
>You imbecile. Where did you put all that yogurt? So it was you who flooded my compost with yogurt? I told you already, my worms are lactose intolerant!
Meanwhile, Hammond crashes a mini digger in the background
>Oh no. Richard Hammond just died. Oh well.

>>2811672
made my tags from a coffee creamer bottle. same same but different.

>gently strokes his plants branches
>Smells fingers

Better than pussy unironically.

>>2811666
I don't use a fan indoors at all and everything works fine. Chilis tomatoes and weed.
My first try though

Goddamn fucking fuck. Sorry about the sage. Again -.-
I should stop browsing pol

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Hello sirs please consider joining the /hgm/ Discord:
https://discord.gg/byjn7DMJ

We have fun discussions about gardening and other topics.

where is a good spot outside to plant money trees? like full shade? some shade?

how's your tomato doing???

>>2811807
Actually pretty good. Didn't think they'd make it. Do tomato seeds have some kind of super power telling them what season it is? I thought I could trick these mfs with grow lights

>>2811793
A money tree will die outside unless you live in zone 10 or higher

Do you guys give your plants music? I play the Metroid 2 soundtrack every day at 15:00. Really brightened up my days.

>>2811821
Am I retarded or are you talking about weed?

>>2811821
Damn I'm only zone 9. So I need to keep them inside? Guess I need some bigger pots. They have not been doing well since the colder weather and one has been very slowly withering up and dying.

>>2811825
Again: money trees??? Or is it some language barrier I didn't get?

>>2811826
Yeah that's what they're called. I got some from a walmart or home depot a few months ago right before winter. I'm in Florida.

>>2811827
I've been growing the devil's lettuce aside my chilis since late January. I am surprised how much the plant can take because getting my 300 year old house over 20 Celsius is a pain in the ass.
These fuckers are very very resilient.

>>2811828
Don't drop a tray of tomato seedlings on them though. I shed a single tear for her that day...

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>>2811828
Walmart sells weed now?

>>2811827
But honestly with modern auto flower strains you could grow the stuff in Siberia (they actually do that's how got the genetics for auto flowers).
It's called cannabis rudensis. Didn't know about it until recently.

>>2811828
>>2811830
>>2811831
I'm not talking about pot, brother. I'm talking about a MONEY TREE that you could have googled lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pachira_aquatica

>>2811832
Oh uh. Sorry lmao. As I said: language barrier

>>2811833
Is that what they call marijuana in your country? Because I've never heard anybody in (my very limited area of) America refer to pot as a money tree. I was real confused when you kept talking about weed lol

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>>2811834
I googled "money tree" and some rap song came up so I thought it can only be weed hahahaha

>>2811835
lolz that's fair enough. I'll come back to the thread later to see if anybody else can help me out. Have a nice day, anon.

>>2811834
We call it "bubatz" here btw

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Got my first honeyberry flowers yesterday, this one's a Tundra. I'm going to order several pawpaws and grapes and that should be the final plant order of the season. My wallet certainly hopes so. Mirabelle plums are coming in the mail tomorrow, 30 asparagus, 75 strawberry and 5 blackberry bare roots next week. Planning on KSU-Chappell, Susquehanna, Mango and Sunflower for pawpaws, and Concord seedless, Catawba, Niagara and Delaware for grapes. Spring is here lads, I am excite

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Which Cornus is the best to grow, if you only care about fruit taste? I hear lots of good things about cornus hongkongensis, it's one of the most cold hardy, up to zone 6. But there's too little information on how it tastes, so Cornus Kousa Teutonia is probably a safer bet, as It's most recommended, and supposedly tastes like a persimmon

>>2808659
Don't bother with pruning, just trim the branches that touch the ground, about 30 cm works best. You can try to shape it but in my experience they just want to become an umbrella, it's almost impossible to fight it. That may be an upside depending how you look at it

>>2810061
Mulberries fall to the ground when ripe, and are kinda small, but you can eat the leaves too so ehhh.. If you really want to they're not the worst choice. You're going to be limited by your zone, but if you can grow them, peaches, cherries, apricots, loquats, asian pears, even plain old apples are probably better choices

>>2811825
Zoning is terribly inconsistent so it may depend where you are truly
For example my piece of California Coast doesn't get as hot nor as cold as the Arizona desert, but here we are zoned the same.
That said, while it may survive winter it would certainly be happier coming in when the temps approach low 40s Fahrenheit.

Be careful not to overwater. I've not seen a killer stronger than overwatering. Often it can't be recovered even after discovering the sin.

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lol, didn’t know that Hokkaido squash sprouts that fast. Also, I apparently put the second seed the wrong way, so it grew downward and exploded the whole, much too small coir tab.
I’ve now put them in a pot. Fuck. I can only plant them in may, when it’ll be warm enough outside. Let’s see how big they can get in a pot, indoors (and in my green house).

I hate the gay verification business.

Someone start a new thread

>>2811864
We're only on page 2, no rush. /out/ isn't that fast of a board. That being said, I'm OP and if someone else wants to bake feel free

>>2811854
I already pruned it quite a bit, I hope I can it does grow vigorously and I can make that thin branch into the new top
I have seen a mulberry hedge not far from my place, it must be quite a chore to maintain, it does look nice and yields a lot of fruits tho

>>2811853
I haven't tried them, but I've heard good things about cornus mas

>>2811237
update:
the frost spread to the stems and they're all dying
one looks like it might survive but I've planted a second batch regardless
fuck israel

Trying to start onions from seed for the first time, have my first little chive sprouts coming up.
I went with shallots and a few varieties of green onion, do they do okay if they’re slightly overcrowded? I think I got ahead of myself again with what I’ve started growing.

Can ginger be grown in containers in/above Zone 5 with grow lights through winter?
I have some citrus trees I’ve been tending to for a few years, and want to try some more tropical cultivars

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>>2811885
>fuck israel

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>>2811885

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:)

>>2811889
Green onions are fine to crowd. You can grow them as bunches to make harvesting them easier. The shallots you should give more space because they need room for their bulb to grow.

>>2811890
Should work out great. Ginger is shade tolerant so if your light isn't bright enough for good growth it should still keep your ginger alive through the winter. Just try to keep it above 55 F