smartphones are botnet. which gps devices does garmin offer that have no connections to satellite bluetooth phone apps or internet.just want plain gps maps with downloaded osm shit. i don't want glowies watching me
>>2808307>Untrackable GPS
>>2808308receive-only. no data coming out of my device. anonymous. etc etc
>>2808307If you don't have your phone on you too, and you didnt bring you roamer starlink dish with you; then your gps shouldnt be able to connect to anything; other than the positioning satellites. No?>>2808308A better word would probably be 'anonymous', and even then only kinda~. just dont sign up for anything or register it, or link it to your phone, and its just a random serial number floating around innawoods.source; i made it all up.
>>2808316yeah. which device offers this. i don't want bullshit emergency services or (((acccounts)))
>>2808317Most of them do? unless somthing has changed or i am retarded?I have picrel, and although it has jewtooth, i believe its just for downloading maps or updates, i only ever turned it one once; to download some sat imagery.I dont recall ever typing my name into anything, and i dont have a phone to link it too, so i think i am still anon with it?
>>2808318bluetooth can be used to transmit short signals. look at apple's mesh network to understand its power.i don't think they bother though. these phone mesh network using BLE are recent, and they probably cannot leverage it
>>2808319I do wonder if they have backdoors in them like phones; garmin devices are kinda dumb, like gameboys, simple technology, i would think if i turned the jewtooth off, that it would actually stay off, but maybe im wrong, they do seem like somthing the govt would be interested in infiltrating.
>>2808318to add;Just rembered that i believe i did have to install a program onto my computer to update its software (recommended, because the base software is known to be buggy)That program would launch itself i the background everytime i booted my pc, which is highly suspicious, so i uninstalled it.
>>2808323>That program would launch itself i the background everytime i booted my pc, which is highly suspicious, so i uninstalled it.Imagine being spooked by something you can turn off in a menu. Pic related.Steam and Discord also boot on startup, ooooo spoopy lmfao
>>2808324>you can turn off in a menuI only needed it to do the 1 update anyway, there was no point in keeping it around.and yeh i am aware that lots of programs do it; Razor (which is a terrible performance hog), Skype, and many online games that run anti-cheat; which essentially scans your entire computer looking for nono stuff.
>>2808324This is a skizo thread, anon. Get out normie.
you know, there is this cool little trick, called maps (no, not the app)they are paper, and you can even laminate them, they dont run out of battery, and you can even write on them! imagine that!
>>2808334They're also static and don't update. I know the future is difficult, grandpa, but try and keep up.
>>2808342A new paper map is what, $10?A BRMB topo update is over $100 (canada, i dont know what you guys have elsewhere)
>>2808329You calling me a normie is adorable. Almost a compliment.
>>2808345you know most of those maps are publicly available... right...
>>2808352And its alot easier to print them out, then it is to convert them for use on a gps.
>>2808349Pop clutchh
>>2808308Etrex series. The 30 and 20 would be your best bet, the 32 and 22 just offer more onboard storage, however they both have microsd card slots so what does onboard storage matter?They run on aa batteries so picking up a used on is fine.
>>2808308It’s a LARP thread, Anon.
>>2808383What does that even mean? Ffs you nogs attach the word larp to everything nowadays.
>>2808313look up how gps worksyour device basically acts as a mirror and then the gps satellites see where it isa read only gps would be an amazing invention though
>>2808419>The user segment involves GPS receivers, such as those found in smartphones, cars, and watches. These receivers pick up signals from at least four satellites and use the time difference between the signal's transmission and reception to calculate the distance to each satellite. By measuring the distance to four or more satellites, the receiver can determine its exact location on Earth through a process called trilateration. I think you're wrong.
I also found this: >https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/36725/can-the-use-of-gps-devices-leak-personal-identifiable-informationIt's good to be mindful of privacy, however any electronic device emits a trackable signature, without mentioning that your very own body heat dispersion can be detected and tracked. The good news is that, as long as you don't raise the interest of the government, they are unlikely to bother with that. In short, this is smells like a larp thread (I am saying this to pettily mock OP for my own amusement).
>>2808307Can’t you make one with a GY-NEO6MV2? Pic rel
>>2808307>>2808308absolute state of going outside
>>2808329this isnt a schizo thread. You're just a fucking larper.
>>2808425attach this shit to an arduino? arudinos are botnet
>>2808308That's justified. GPS is passive, but your phone will still broadcast its location via various means.>internet (literally sends your coordinates over http requests)>closest cell phone tower (glowies love this information)>bluetooth (your phone may advertise its presence over bluetooth or communicate with bluetooth devices nearby)>nfc>probably more
>>2808352>>2808355This is what absolutely sucks about this board. Everyone is too stupid or too inexperienced to call you out on your retarded bullshit.>durr they free!Electronic versions are free. If you want a paper version you have to pay for it.>it’s easier to printNot really. You have to download the file then go through Kinko’s website to have it printed, then drive and pick it up.
>>2808453you should see how >>>/g/ is like. those are the true larpers
>>2808441How’s that?
>>2808453you... dont own a printer? or cant figure out how to borderless seam A4 papers together? are you 12 or 92?
>>2808458>>2808441>no replybro has no idea what botnet even means lmao
>>2808472I have no idea how to seam pages together. I’ve downloaded a USGS 7.5’ Topo map. Take me through this easy process.>A4lol
>>2808419you went full retard
>>2808473phone = botnetanything google = botnetmeta = botnet
>>2808383>>2808421>>2808440>LARPI don't get it, agreeing with anon >>2808385 on this one, seems like a forced meme or somthing. Or have you niggers actually just never heard of paranoia? Are you all 12 years old?
>>2808504what do you mean paranoia nigger? its a valid concern
>>2808505Baby steps anon, they arent ready.
>>2808504>just found /out/ this weekOn this board, “LARP” is used as an insult to anyone who is pretending, posing, lacking knowledge, or obviously talking out of their ass. You see, outdoor recreation is still mostly learned through experience. When someone chimes in with bullshit, it’s often apparent that they’re a phony. They’re LARPing as an outdoorsman. Example:>discussion about rain gear>say you’ve used an umbrella and it was bretty gud for the situation>someone tells you umbrellas literally never work because muh wind>you know they work because you’ve used them and stayed dry>the naysayer is a LARPer; his knowledge isn’t from doing, but rather from some shit he heard somewhere
>>2808510>on this boardyou mean this website
>>2808440>currently 8billion people on this planet>glowies are looking at tracking you...yeah, thats pretty much what schizo means. you are better off drowning yourself in the flow of information, if someone is looking for something they will look at the outliers first. if they look specificly for you then you done something you need to tell us.
>>2808515Case in point: you're a larper.
You could look for old milsurp stuff. I used one of these back in the early 1990s.
>>2808525Naïve, glowies dont need to be specifically looking at your for your data to be used against you. It’s not the 1960s anymore, glowies don’t ’tap your phone’ they collect everything which in turn can be used against you. Take englands arrest of naughty word sayers online as an example, or more relevantly Beijing using Facebook messages to track protestors in Hong Kong. The glowies there didn’t specifically ‘watch’ anyone, they arrested everyone who met their conditions of mentioning protests.
>>2808496and none of those are an esp32 or arduino where you have full software and firmware control but I don’t think that >>2808441 would know that
>>2808525Everyone thinks that, until the situation changes, and old "harmless" data is suddenly something that puts you at risk.
>>2808504In English.
>>2808583ESP32 has some closed source blobs. But Arduino?
>>2808580he's not gonna understand it even if you put it in a childrens pop up picture book dude
>>2808580>>2808617give actual examples of glowies tracking random people.>inb4 shitposting on facebooksame laws apply there as irl, you are not allowed to walk around harassing people in most of the world, facebook is no different.
>>2808671https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/13/us/google-location-tracking-police.html
>>2808672dude thats a good thing? or are you killing young boys and want to get away with it? imagine how many people they looked at and disregarded. thats you, someone might once see that your device was in an area of interest but its one of 5000 that didnt fit any other criteria so its instantly thrown out. its no different than me seeing your face at the store or passing your car on the road, i might remember both but since there is nothing to it into the black hole it goes.damn you guys truly are scizofrenic.
>>2808674if you would have read the article you would realise that some random nigger got arrested, and not the killer. be st the wrong place at the wrong time? arrested. imagine being in a country like china, and moving through an area where there's a protest. next day you are fired, bank accounts frozen. the intentions of a state rarely for the good of the people. have fun being raped in prison
>>2808675tl;drim not a nigger so im not worried about getting arrested for anything, infact my phone trace can in the worst case scenario wash me free of such charges.imagine you being in that scenario, no online devices, more or less untraceable, schozoid behavior... yeah, you are in for a hard time. you got no evidence or trace that you didnt do it and the typical behaviour of someone up to no good.the drown in the crowd thing is very real.
>>2808671Hong Kong was already mentioned.
>>2808676you are not down in the crowd. you are unique and google has mapped you out. look at palantir and moonshot cve. you cam be labeled as a violent extremist just for searching the wrong thing and now feds monitor you actively 2024/7
ITT: retards and newfags arguing about muh tracking
>>2808677do i live in hong kong ching chong?>>2808678hope they do, they are in for a laugh from my search history.
>>2808683>anon you seem to have a strange fixation on *ahem* paizuri sound rule34>is there something you want to tell us?
>>2808683imsi catcher would have landed you in prison if you were near the white house on 6th of january.
>>2808674if anyone ITT was actually schizophrenic they wouldnt be worried about gpsthey'd be homeless because you cant get shit on a guy who's been off the books for a chunk of their life and pays in coins and cash.No one ITT is schizophrenicit's just retards that wanna larp in their cyberpunk fantasy of >"people are out to get me"if they were actually schizo the shit they're saying wouldnt even be coherent.Look at terry a davis as an example.He was an actual schizo he actually ran away in belief the cia wanted temple os and was trying to kill him for it.Not larp on 4chan
>>2808687>inb4 NUH UHcalifornia is literally filled to the brim with homeless schizophrenics for that exact reason.
>>2808687one is a medical condition, one is a behaviour caused by several exteenal factors and the end result is pretty close to the medical condition, only it cant be cured by medication only education, but once they reach that state education doesnt work since they instantly throw it out often as proof of their conspiracy theory. i dont know why i even bother, they can do their things i keep my google timeline active. nothing will ever happend, my life is just better since i got one less thing to worry about.
>>2808484Curious about this as well. One of my favorite places to explore old FS roads spans across six UGFS topo maps. I’ve been using an app and custom maps printed from CalTopo but it’s kind of a pain in the ass.
>>2808691that's just low iq at that point>here's tons of proof that you arent being watched>NUH UHthen they proceed to do the polar opposite of everything they believe in.>I AM BEING WATCHED>posts on 4chan with a data plan that uses their name
>>2808695and that's another thingyour ISP logs everything, if they get an email that some company detected piracy on a p2p network and they email your isp and ask them to look into it and trace that traffic they'll send you a lettersome vpns log everything too like nordvpn. If OP was actually schizophrenic he wouldnt even be posting on 4chan unless he's medicated but i fucking doubt it. As most properly medicated schizos dont fucking care.
>>2808695>im being watchedand so? let them watch.lets imagine thats real, someone does infact watch me. shouldnt your worry be on the poor schmuck said to watch me instead of me? imagine being that guy lol, i go outside and fap to german midget porn around the camp fire while they are stuck in a basement office.and how would this work out irl? true full time surveilance require 3 people per subject minimum. do my 5 million country have a shadow population of 15 million who only work with surveying the rest?here is my current location and every campsite i been to in the last few years. please use it against me, i beg you. do your best.
>>2808704you have reading comprehension retard.We're literally on the same side agreeing on something that people ITT may not even be schizo and are just flat out retardedi fucking hate this board
>>2808706reading comprehension issues
>>2808706well duh im esl, some things might get missed when im jumping between posters. sorry 'bout that. and if i missed your point you probably didnt make it clear enough but anyway its on point to other posters here.
what's wrong with using any android phone>turn off wifi>turn off bluetooth>turn off phone data>use any offline maps app
>>2808307I think the garmin etrex series are recive only.They dont emit any kind of signal.
>>2808704>do your worsti have depicted scandanavia as cock and ball jizzing in finland.America is depicted as chad off screenBurgers - 1Vikings - 0
>>2808783forgot the imagethe score is now burgers - 1 vikings - 1because of this small mistake
>>2808324>He thinks he can turn it offYou're so adorable. >>2808329>SkizoMade up word used excusably by glowies and jews to gaslight and 12 year old kids who are retarded.
>>2808472>>2808352>Maps are publicly available/free>You just have to buy a printer, pay for ink, own a computer, and pay for and internet subscription and you have to pay extra to have them laminated>Totally free though
>>2808525>Schizo means I'm gaslighting youMoshiI know you're a lying piece of shit or a moron but the whole reason AI was funded by big daddy government was so this could all be automated. If you're going to pretend it isn't real, or blatantly lie that it isn't possible while calling someone the made up gaslighting buzzword used by jews and feds than if you aren't a jew or a fed you're the dumbest mouth breathing moron to ever gain access to the internet.
>>2808671They don't track random peoplethey track EVERYONEThe SIM card in your cellphone is a separate fucking computer that has access to everything. Why do you think the SIM card has never been made obsolete even though you can use a virtual sim or digital key to access the Cell network?Why do you think were still using X86 with SDRAM for PCs? It's all been back doored since fucking launch. End to end encryption is almost completely banned to boot.You're just retarded if you don't think the cell companies scrape everything and run it through a pattern recognition system and game theory system to keep the population in check.That isn't "schizo"That's reality you gaslighting fucktard.
>>2808674>Privacy is only for people who have something to hideThe government uses this to protect people that deserve to get offed like billionaires and politicians. Imagine how many global wars could be solved if a few key bankers and politicians were offed by a vigilante. They give zero shits about Tyrone and his gang bangers to the degree they don't even report mass shootings in the mass murder statistics if it's gang related. They could care less about the 10,000 homicide that go unsolved every year.. but you off one corrupt CEO or politician they snag you in an instant or even before you commit the "crime" because that's who benefits from this.Nevermind that it's unconstitutional as fuck and enforced by people that pretend to protect the constitution.
>>2808704It's called "AI"It can and does watch all of you all the time. It watches your patterns and trends and feeds data back into the information loops used to keep you dumb and obedient... which you very clearly are both.
>>2808313retard
>>2808484>>2808692I used a pair of scissors and some clear tape :\>>2808824>own a computer, and pay for and internet subscriptionYou are here, arent you?>pay extra to have them laminatedI used tape, probably about 50cents worth>pay for inkYeh, this is the real problem. Fucking kikes charging me over $100 to print less than 100 pages..Still, (ignoring the cost of computer and internet) printing maps worked out much cheaper than my $400 gps with $100 maps on it.
>>2808865I still don’t understand how you easily chop up a 24”x29” pdf image and print it in the same scale. Does Adobe Acrobat allow that? Chrome? What’s the easy way?
>>2808877Rasterbator.net does this for you
>>2808307American education man...
>>2808827Your not the main character of the world. No one gives a fuck about you. Unless you're doing illegal activities nobody is going to ever give a fuck about your location. There is no NSA agent looking at your data 24/7. You are not that important. Unless you want to admit to being a pedophile, murderer, rapist, or some other criminal activity.
>>2808884>it’s easy, just go to some obscure website no one’s ever heard ofThanks
>>2808877its been years but i think i just took screen shots of pieces of maps and pasted them in MSpaint as seperated images,Tedious, but not hard.>>2808891>Unless you're doing illegal activitiesNta but; I say nigger (and othe fun stuff) alot, while legally owning firearms in a country where their ownership is restricted.Maybe its not a crme right now, but in a few years or months it very well may be, as they tighten their grips on both of those things.
>>2808940>chat, which discord bot can I use to rasterise imagespathetic
>>2808783>>2808785>there was no response to thisburgers 2vikings 1
>>2808891You have the reading comprehension of a toddler.
>>2808947They track patterns and behaviors and use that to feed their game theory systems. They use that feedback to drive influence operations.If you think the government isn't totally paranoid and looking at everyone all the time for the slightest hint of rebellion you're on drugs. The people that say "if you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to hide" are intellectual cancer.Why do you think men's clubs in the US have been expressly banned in the US since the 90s and they're trying to brand militias as domestic terrorists? The government absolutely spies on everyone all the time and the slightest hint of insurrection is brutally suppressed.
>>2809425>If you thinkI think you may have (You)'d the wrong person.i am very much on the side of valuing my privacy, and feel like i am talking to robots when, irl, my own family scoffs at the idea, they are insulted, and recite the same fuckin lines as condescendingly as possible;"Youre not that important" "If you arent doing anything illegal, you shouldnt care" "nobody cares about you" etc etcI have taken to responding with accusations of them not being human.
>>2808307Garmin foretrex 301/401. Exceedingly simple receive-only devices, and as you seem truly paranoid the batteries are removable.
>>2809426As with many of societies ill's, i believe such attitudes are related to smartphone ownership.They are soul draining devices. People eventually accept that they have lost any and all semblance of privacy they may had, and rather than dwell on that being a negative, they have to convince themselves that it is okay, or even a good thing. If you dont forfeit 100% of your privacy like they and everyone else on the bandwagon does, then you must be up to no good, or there must be something wrong with you.Some (women) end up even liking the idea of being spied on, it feels like attention, makes you feel wanted like what you are doing is important, like you are famous. Only evil gremlins would not want to be watched like everything they are doing matters.
>>2809473to add;It is essentially a case of extended post-purchase rationalization.They've invested so much into such devices, that they must defend themselves from, and gloss over, any potential negatives. They can only view the positives. They cannot accept being wrong about them in any way.
>>2808419YOU need to look up how GPS works. You are straight up retarded.The satellites continuously broadcast signals, and your phone detects at least three of them, and triangulates your position based on the identity of the satellite and travel time of the signal to your device, giving you an exact position. At no point does your device communicate with the satellites; it doesn't have the power.This is also why GPS works without a signal and in airplane mode. Those signals are always being broadcast by a network of geosynchronous satellites (always in the same position over earth). Your phone or GPS device can be incapable of sending any signal whatsoever and still triangulate your position based on data RECEIVED from GPS.
>>2809479This is true, but a majority of consumer gps devices are capable of transmitting to satellites, cellular networks, wifi or bluetooth. The latter two are particularly unlikely vectors for real-time tracking, but a compromised device could store your waypoints and transmit them when you return to civilization. I don't blame OP for wanting a single-purpose device without any of these "convenience and safety" features.
>>2809426Fair enough.I have a degree in computer science; did military communications and worked in communications for aerospace.People are fucking retarded and giving anyone under the age of 17 a smartphone is double retarded.Before the cellphone revolution the NSA basically recorded everything and put it in long term storage until they had computers fast enough to parse all the data. Now they have comptuers fast enough to parse all the data.The reason you think everyone is an NPC is because they are: DoD has mastered information operations using feed back loops into game theory models. People are literally programmed what to think and how to think it and it's all thanks to retards training all the AI.Why do you think Youtube was bought by google and made free? They needed it to train all the facial recognition software--same with Facebook. It takes a MASSIVE data set to train AI and people just handed it over on social media and youtube.Before normies got on the internet it was NO ONE put personal information on the internet--it was TABOO... but as soon as karens got smart phones they started putting their fucking kids names and faces online and the computers learned how to age people and how to track behavior patterns literally over a lifetime.People have no clue how much they're controlled because they put everything online like retards.
>>2809479Kid, Cellphones use GPS AND tower triangulation to locate the phone. Look up GPS multipath errors and how they solve them on smartphones. It reports your location through the cell network even if you think it isn't and it defiantly uses the towers to augment location accuracy.Do you own a PC? Did you ever wounder why if you go online your PC knows it's location even though it doesn't have a GPS? Because your smartphone, unbeknownst to you, constantly scans networks and reports their locations.>>2809531same, I have an old Etrex. If you need more than a grid location from a GPS you have no business navigating off any major trail.
>>2809544I think his point is that airplane mode makes it passive.The real question is whether airplane mode really does that, or whether it's just some bullshit that reduces RF below a threshold.
>>2809544I’m very confused. Why doesn’t my phones battery drain to nothing when I’m on a 6 hour flight in airplane mode? If it’s defiantly using cell towers in that mode, but there are none within range, how does it know to connect to them without actively searching?
>>2809544cellphone gps requires use of cell tower.Even if you download an app that says it doesnt.
>>2809564one of the ways people bypass 4chan bans is by turning airplane mode on on their phone and the turning it back offThis thread isnt schizo.it's fucking retarded
>>2809579>one of the ways people bypass 4chan bans is by turning airplane mode on on their phone and the turning it back offThat doesn't mean much. IP is a relatively high level protocol on top of the 5G protocol stack.
Back in my day people knew how to use maps and compasses. Somehow this is a long forgotten art form. When we went backcountry there was zero electronics. You had no support, or way to call out. Now I see people walking around with satellite phones even.
>>2809582>this doesnt mean much>D00D AIR PLANE MODE DOESNT WORK THE WAY THE GUPPYMINT SAY IT DOES I AM SKEEZO
>>2809578Then how does it work without cellphone towers? I don’t mean in your hypothetical scenario using features and stats you read online. I mean when I’m in a place where I can’t make calls, send texts, or access the internet, why do GPS apps still work?
>>2809586He's wrong. Modern iPhones at least can use satellites. Also you can still use cell towers that aren't in your network for limited capabilities, but not be allowed to call, text, or internet.
>>2809587I was using GPS when well out of range of cell towers on an iPhone 8. So “modern” sure but that was like 7 years ago.
>>2808383Thank you for alleviating concern.
>>2809586GPS always work, but if there is no wifi or cell network then it can take a long time (like several minutes) to get your initial position close to accurate. go to your phone in the gps settings and there are checks where you can disable this things, mine has for example "Wifi and Bluetooth scanning", "Google Location Sharing" and "Location Accuracy"
>>2809728>it can take a long time (like several minutes) to get your initial position close to accurate.I’ll never understand this board. Like, why make up bullshit that we know isn’t true? Why haven’t you taken your phone j to the woods and tried it yourself?
>>2809732because the majority of this board doesnt go outside not even joking. Mostly because the definition of outside to some of these people is going on a hike on a giant mountain and not just likeyou know, going to a nature reserve or going fishingim going on vacation next week hopefully i can take some photos
>>2809732i have, have you?
>>2809732Lol, I think that's the same guy who posted that cellphone GPS accuracy is 5k off or whatever. Obviously that's false. You can see for yourself by hiking to a USGS survey marker that's marked with a triangle symbol on forest service maps. It only took a few seconds for the map to show my position right over the triangle symbol when I was standing on a benchmark last winter.
>>2809744Exactly. Modern phone especially are very fast and very accurate, using more than just the GPS network of satellites. They use like 5 or 6 networks making up something like 150 satellites; this isn’t the 1990’s where it was just the ~30 GPS satellites and a handheld GPS running on a 6502 or whatever they used. (GPS are the satellites put up by the US. There’s also Galileo, BeiDou, Glonass, IRNSS, and probably some that I’m missing). >>2809743Often. Last weekend I lost the trail, looked at my phone, saw I was maybe 150 feet off, plowed through some thick underbrush and thorny ass vines, and hey presto, there it is, exactly where the device said it was. It was nearly instantaneous and tracked in real time, accurate to like 5 feet. Also I have a small patch of poison ivy on my hand for being retarded. Meanwhile you’re just talking out of your ass, looking at statistics and specifications on a fucking spreadsheet or something. Get the fuck out with your dumb bulllshit. Go outside, fag.
>>2809732>>2809758>several minutesStill true if you've gotten really, really /out/. The GPS constellations thin out at high latitudes and steep terrain features or overhead tree cover/weather can affect signal reception (less than 135deg FOV to clear sky begins degrading coverage), to the point you can't guarantee 3-4 sats in LOS at any given moment in say, a valley of the Alaskan Brooks Range.
>>2808439>>2808440This thread is at 120 replies State of the board 2bh
>>2809564>It's in non transmit mode therefore it doesn't record my positionwrong>>2809571>I'm confusedYou must experience that sensation allot.The biggest, consistent consumer of power on your cellphone is the display. So not only are you retarded you're also lying.
>>2809758You had cell reception retard.>Cellphones use more than just GPSYes, they also use cellphone tower triangulation.The point of the thread, numbnuts, is OP wanted to use a device that doesn't report it's position--and a cellphone absolutely reports it's position nonmatter how much you pretend it doesn't.If you need more than a grid from a cellphone you have no business navigating off trail--hell, by your own admission you got lost while following a god damn trial.
>>2810058>Has nothing of value to say>Posts nothing of value anywaysI see the problem--you're clearly retarded.
>>2808510>>2808515>>2808526LARP just means live action role playing. It means you are pretending to be someone else and making up events that never happened
>>2810109no one is going to believe you dont know slang from this website.The only people that are going to play along are the other people already doing so in this thread
>>2810099This is bait… right?>can’t make calls>can’t send texts>can’t access internet>”no service” displayed on the screen>in airplane mode“GPS” refers to the US system of satellites orbiting the planet. It’s not the only constellation of satellites used for navigation.I got lost when the trail ended and faded off into nothing. If you’ve never seen that then you should spend more time in the woods. It’s pretty common.
>>2810097See: >>2809732>why make up bullshit we know isn’t true?I’m serious. Why does airplane you think you can lie, making up nonsense that you think is correct in the face of people who know better via experience? It’s so weird that anyone would do this. It’s like if I went to an equestrian board and started telling jockeys about horses and how they’re doing it wrong despite having only ridden a horse once in my life.
why are there so many people on 4chan that are so confidently wrong about how gps works?
>>2810116>I don't know anything about how cellphones work, who writes the software, and what features cellphone companies add: the post.Holy fuck you're stupid--and barely literate to boot. Dude was talking about a cellphone, I was talking about a cellphone and you're talking out your ass.
>>2810117At no point in your word salad and nonsensical links did you remotely come close to making any sort of coherent point. Try again.>>2810248It's the celltards that are totally ignorant about everything their cellphone does. Most of them don't even know what a SIMM card is or does.
ngl guys i didn't expect much from this thread.thank you all for your suggestions.im impressed that it didn't get archived. on /g/, a thread like this doesn't last more tuan 12 hours. i guess /out/ is more of slow board
>>2809758>looked at my phonebased retard who has no idea what the fuck A-GPS is
/out/ once again proves itself to be the worst outdoor forum on the internet.You can’t just assume things and make shit up and post it here. Stop it. At least 20% of us know better. If you’ve never looked at a smartphone for basic navigation when there is no cellular service, do not post in this thread and do not respond to this. >it works>it doesn’t workShut the fuck up. Some of us really do visit remote locations and we already know the answer. Do you really think the bullshit you googled will contradict that? Are you so positive about your preconceived notions? What exactly are you trying to accomplish?
>>2811395you likely have a-gps tables from a day or three before (these are fetched with normal cellular/wifi connections) and thanks to that the gps connection is near instant even with no cellular to directly help you. if you don't have a-gps data updated for a week or two the errors get too large and you have to use satellite signal data to get the position the "old-fashioned" slow way.
>>2811400phones get gps frum supl, which sends your information to google and google replies to a list of gps satellites around your general area. this can be more precise if you are around wifi access points as wifi triangulation is a thing.
>>2811395It's one guy constantly shitting up the board with his retarded takes. He has been called out countless times for his cluelessness. He repeatedly gets asked to provide photographic evidence of actually going outside and never responds. Why is that? Because he has no real outdoor experience and spends all his free time trolling /out/. He doesn't even go into the frontcountry let alone the backcountry. That's why he is wrong about literally everything. Every subject he's wrong about. He has the worst takes ever.
>>2811401I have no idea what SUPL is, but how does it get information from a phone when there’s no network connection?
I was in Navy Satellite Communications for 10 years. I'm not starting my comment with that sentence to initiate a copy pasta, I'm leading with that so people in this thread (apparently everyone minus like 2 posts) takes an extra second before they act like their Google search AI Cargo Cult is more reliable than someone who hand built radios, navigation equipment, and antennas for years.It's possible to have recieve-only GPS, but it is very susceptible to drift because by nature this type of signal can not be encrypted, and the satellite pings a lot of you are referring to that are available for casual public use combined with non milgrade equipment is always going to result in timing issues. Timing issues compound over time and it's not as simple as just "restart it." Even high quality gear requires two-way comms to adjust for drift errors. Now you might say "slight drift, who cares" but unless you're a novice Navigator you know what a big difference small errors add up to.I know OP doesn't want this answer but printing maps and learning orienteering is just the way. If you are so paranoid about not interacting with a device that has to establish two-way comms with a satellite system. >outdatedThis is one of those technically true but useless piece of information. The landscape is changing on a time frame of 10k-100k years. The inaccuracy of man made roads on maps should not affect your orienteering at all. Take whatever money and time you were willing to spend on your fantasy device OP and spend it on learning natural orienteering with sun / wind / stars / water / moon phase / basic surveying / etc.Even in apocalypse fantasy LARPs the ability of orienteering with a semi-recent map will serve you better than your GPS device anyway because it will assist you with pathing as well as location. Hopefully I haven't been baited by this whole post.
>>2811442More specifically, without establishing two-way comms with a satellite network for recalibration purposes over the course of let's say, 3 days, even a well-functioning "passive" GPS device, (that is to say basically any normal GPS device for our purposes, since without an uplink they're all "passive" in the vocabulary of this thread) will drift while perfectly stationary. In contrast, if you have the ability to locate yourself on a map of a region, your position is determined by skill. If anything it gets more accurate over 3 days assuming you're not starving or delusional.
>>2808307>>2808313Anon, this is not your fault, but you are a retard. That's not how any of this works. Part of what makes radios so cool is that they can actually be receive only. The information is being blasted out there and any radio can receive it. It's the same as you making this retarded thread. I didn't ask to receive this information, but here I am, receiving it. But GPSes are different. In order for a GPS to receive maps or whatever, Garmin or the government or whoever have to send out maps indiscriminately 24/7 from a fucking SATELLITE hoping that people will receive them. As far as determining your position (assuming you took your pills and downloaded the maps like a normal person, or at least printed them out and are using a foretrex to find where you are on a map), you have to have some kind of connection. I'll dumb it down for you again. Imagine you're up in a firewatch tower, and some retard leaves you a note that says "I need you to tell me where I am but you're not allowed to see me and I'm not going to talk to you or tell you who I am or what I look like or where I am". How the fuck do you FIND the person and then TELL THEM without KNOWING WHERE THEY ARE? The only way to get what you want is to put a satellite of your own up into space and have it broadcast video feed 24/7. But an easier solution would be to learn how to read a paper map, then learn land navigation, or stop being a fucking schizo and just buy a gps. Actually, no, you should leave all of the navigation aids behind, go into the woods, and remove yourself from the gene pool.I spent 3 years of my life teaching military guys how to use comm devices in the woods. I've heard some stupid fucking questions, but this is up there with the dumbest ones. And again, I don't think you're retarded by choice, but you're clearly one of God's drunkest creations.
>>2811447Fuck I forgot to include the hooked on phonics tldr for you>GPS = "global positioning system">it finds where you are and then tells you where you are>if it can't find you, it can't tell you where you are>if you don't tell it where you are, it can't tell you where you areImagine you're playing hide and seek with your friend who's on the ground while you're in a plane, but you're not allowed to use your eyes. Do you see how retarded that question is?
>>2811447>>2811450why are you calling somebody retarded for not knowing how GPS works when you have no idea how GPS works yourself?
>>2811400BruhIt's called the almanac. Please ffs if you're going to talk out your ass at least learn the basic terms. a-gps tables are the almanac pulled from the cell network instead of from the GPS signal (which IS the almanac). Without a cellphone update the entire almanac takes about 12 minutes to broadcast in total.
>>2811442>>2811445>GPS timing driftWhat are you talking about? GPS transmits the time as part of the locational signal which also contains the almanac. GPS literally synchs your device to an atomic clock. There is no drift unless you count Frame Transitioning but the computer adjusts for that.Ironic a Navy guy is talking about land navigation although I don't disagree with that part.. for the most part. Dirt roads can and do vary quite a bit and novice land navigators can get seriously fucked by dirt roads that aren't on a map or dirt roads that have shifted because offroad drivers are retarded.
>>2811447Hello corporal dumbass.There are tons of GPS enabled devices that can and do record and broadcast your location.Using a KYK-13 to load keys into a SINCGAR or Mbitr doesn't mean you know shit about GPS--which is pretty clear you don't.
>>2811460I don't want to type a big paragraph of jargon that isn't going to make sense without qualified experience but I would encourage you to look into drift for yourself. The internal timing of your GPS will slowly desync from each clock its using as the basis for its computing.In lament terms (im not trying to insult you) let's imagine you have 2 GPS's "G" and "B". Small differences between the signal (which natural variables as well as the sat signal itself) will begin to occur after 3-5 days. If you are looking at 2 slightly different locations on G and B, as a heuristic you can now logically assume neither is highly accurate.It's true we are trained to be more sensitive to this phenomena on the ocean but it exists on land all the same, it will just take a longer time to happen since you don't have to deal with geo-sync nav sat handover. Unless you're traveling very far east/west
>>2811501It is worth pointing out that this drift doesn't occur when a system has ground Line-of-sight because there is " no " lag.Insofar as radio signals travel at the speed of light and a round trip from sat to you, to sat, to you over time has lag, where a common cell phone has effectively no " lag " in LOS. Or something like ~0.000...01 seconds lag.
>>2811501gps recievers dont require a clock though
>>2811459>he didn't know the correct word so I'll repeat what he said using the correct word and say he's talking out of his assthanks anon
>>2811540Everything he said was retarded and he used the wrong lingo. An almanac three days out of date will have less than an few seconds lag in acquisition. It would take a 6 month to a year almanac out of synch before the boot up time became noticeable you mouth breathing retard.He even contradicted himself by saying a three day out of date almanac would take forever to acquire but the a-gps tables update every week. He also said you can have a rapid start up with a-gps data but not need help from cell towers. a-gps data comes from the cell network.You're beyond retarded.
>>2811501WTF are you talking about.As I said GPS signals are on an ATOMIC CLOCK. GPS satellites have atomic clocks ON THEM and they synch with terrestrial atomic clocks. Every time your GPS gets a signal from a satellite it is the correct time. Timing drift only matters on two way communications--it has nothing to do with GPS location. Ever. For any reason. Timing is required to align electrical peaks and ridges in digital transmissions where timing offsets create errors in data fidelity.The impact of time distortion on GPS location is atmospheric and that is a pathing issue because the atmosphere curves the path of the GPS signal therefore making it take slightly longer to get to the receiver than a straight line. This is NOT a synchronization issue this is a distance-calculation issue for converting send time and receive time to a distance from the satellite to the receiver and is corrected in several ways (usually software). If you are a navy guy you're the dumbest communications retard to ever sully the name of the Armed Forces.
>>2811520A GPS takes the timing from the satellite, applies the almanac and internal calculations to determine the atmospheric latency and keeps it's internal clock updated from the Satellite signal. It doesn't "require" a clock, it IS a clock.
>>2811606You are getting very bent out of shape and defensive for something you're wrong on.Over time, unless you have a link with a satellite, just using the timing from multiple satellites, (obviously you cannot determine your location from a single satellite without a link) your GPS will drift.It's not a revelation. You typed a big AI response and then in your acknowledgement of the issue you said it, "Is corrected in several ways (usually software.)" Precise GPS units require both a link and semi-frequent recalibration. Without a link, your unit is just an antenna without a network, and the internal clock (your software) will develop a discrepancy with the satellite clock. After severals days this will cause drift. Anon explaining how a GPS is a clock is correct. In fact the clocks on many nav units are usually super high quality. They still develop discrepancies with satellites that translate into drift.
ITT: we larp
>>2811613>>2811607gps recievers do not require any sort of clock or need to update any sort of internal clock to accurately calculate position. all it requires is the information from 4 or more satellites. there is nothing to "calibrate" on a gps reciever.
>>2811627I used cdn-gps.It's something my friends and i have been working on recently
>>2811630it stands for C Deez Nutz Global Pozzed Slampigsit tracks phines all the way to the old nokia
>>2811439>every person on out is the same guy!Real schizo shit right here.It’s n actual fact, you described the majority of the board. /k/ was a mistake.
>>2811441suplSuper UrethreaPokingLance
>>2811636In this case it's one guy. It should be obvious by his writing style and insult choices like "celltards"
>>2811613I'm not bent out of anything: you're retarded and obviously have no idea what you're talking about and I think it's very amusing.You used a lot of words to not talk about how GPS determines location because it's obvious you have no idea how GPS determines location or how a hand Heald device gets its clock.Over time your GPS Receiver will never ever drift because it gets it timing synch from the atomic clocks on the satellites and constantly refines the time adjustment using positional data from the almanac and the transmission time offsets.A stand alone GPS works like this like this worst case:GPS has no idea what time it is or where it is atGPS records the almanac and gets a time (clock) from the satellitesGPS determines what satellites are in view and rough estimates it's triangulated positionGPS refines it's distance estimates to the Satellites using the rough triangulated position and improves its range estimates GPS goes into a loop of refining the time a signal takes to get to the hand held device from the satellites by using location to calculate signal travel time based on almanac data and positional data>Without a linkThere is no gps link--ever, for any reason. The crystal oscillator in a hand held device is shit compared to the atomic clocks on a GPS satalite which is why all timing comes from the satellites and there is no drift ever for any reason. So again, you're wrong and very retarded. I look forward to you saying more stupid shit devoid of any actual knowledge or useful information of how GPS works so I can continue to mock you while you continue to make yourself look stupid.>>2811694>>2811636>The guy who's an expert on GPS makes me so mad when he calls me out for saying stuid shitStay mad.I look forward to more seething from idiots who are big mad that I keep calling them out for saying the dumbest shit possible about technology they clearly don't understand at all.
>>2811738the only gps i need is instinct
>>2811627>GPS Receivers do not require any sort of clockKind of. The internal clock is needed to calculate the signal transmission latency on the hand held device. It's more of a metronome than a clock-that-cares-about-time on the hand held device because it doesn't really care "what time it is" it is just used to calculate the broadcast latency offset due to environmental conditions.
>>2811694Holy shit, it really is one guy. I imagine he’s obese.
>>2811694>>2811760>One guy single handedly reduces a flock of midwits to seething after calling them out for saying stupid shit>He's so good at it he lives rent free in their head and they are incapable of refuting anything he saysMega based.
>>2811760He may or may not be fat. What I can tell you with absolute certainty is this. He has never set foot away from an established trail except to piss. Because nobody with actual backcountry experience would post what he does. Guess who will be wild camping and bushwhacking deep into the wilderness this weekend? Not the guy who calls others "celltards" lol
>>2811442>possible to have receive only gpsnot only possible, but is literally the only way it functions>can't be encryptedstopped reading, this has to be some kind of weird troll, there's no way you used gps in the military and claim this
just to make things clear:-there is no two way communication whatsoever involved in determining your location with gps. -gps receivers don't transmit anything related to determining your position using gps. any transmissions are related to secondary functions a gps receiver may include such as connecting to other devices for user convenience.gps satellites transmit a message containing their current location and current time. the gps receiver receives several of these messages from different satellites. by comparing the difference in the time the satellite transmitted the message, and the time the receiver received the message, in addition to the location of the satellites when the message was transmitted, the receiver can calculate its position in 3 dimensional space (i.e. location on earth).
>>2811776>when you get called out for repeatedly saying stupid shit and are reduced to writing fan fiction about the guy that made obvious you don't know what you're talking about.Living rent free in your head brings me such joy. So, according to your logic: because I know how GPS works; the fundamentals of cartography and am an expert in land navigation I must never go off trail.You amuse me to no end with your delusions of reality. I look forward to your next work of fan fiction.>>2811812Stand alone GPS just receives--that's accurate.Cellphone navigation is not a stand alone GPS device and does record and broadcast your position and _potentially_ so does Inmarsat and Iridium as well as things like the Garmin in reach Mini.
>>2811852How does a cellphone broadcast one’s position when broadcasting is turned off and there’s nothing to broadcast to?Also still waiting on that one (1) picture. NTA btw. A lot of people don’t like you.
>>2811852Your expertise is limited to trolling. You've been btfo in so many navigation threads it's unreal. You can't even bother to look at cell coverage maps before posting blatantly false statements so why should you be taken seriously in these threads?
>>2811897Cellphones are lacking in precision. You’re lucky if they’re accurate to 1,000ft/300m IF YOURE LUCKY. Celltards are retarded and btfo.
>>2811897You still dont know how gps works though
>>2811811Every primary and secondary NAV has crypto in it for the link. I'm sorry if you guys cannot swallow this horse pill but that's just a thing that exists. On all Naval platforms. Sorry.>>2811738Just do you own research bud. Or at the very least go out and test a gps with a network against one without a link.So many of you /out/ fuckers are so drowned in theory that it makes you hard headed. Experience trumps theory. Like I'm telling you I've first hand loaded crypto into a primary military Nav system myself, many times. I've personally looked down at a gps tracker without a link and it had my location off. Not by a ton, but off.And for the guy saying all gps does not do 2-way communication that's wrong too. In fact most satellites you cannot receive signal from without a link.
>>2811905>And for the guy saying all gps does not do 2-way communication that's wrong too.if you arent baiting you are so fucking retarded its unbelievable. turns out spending 10 years plugging stuff into navigation systems doesnt make you not a complete retard
>>2811905https://www.st.com/resource/en/datasheet/teseo-liv3r.pdfcan you go through this gps recievers datasheet and point out its transmission capabilities to me? i cant find them but since you say it must and have 10 years of experience plugging stuff in in the navy i know it must be in there somewhere
>>2811909I see why you are so confused and disoriented now.If you go back through the whole thread you will see I was talking about different kinds of systems. Some gps systems transmit because they are a part of a larger navigational system, or use SHF/EHF frequency bands to linkOther gps systems do not. The whole time you were seething and crying about > All> Every single> always> NeverI was talking about the differences between different units since that's what OP brought up. Units that don't link have a tendency to drift in my experience because, as I said, timing issues can develop between units with internal timing (I know you think you're the engineer of every electronic piece of equipment ever made, and that no GPS units have any form of internal timing, but just pretend) from their software and imperfect satellite geometry.Please do not forget to take your heart pressure medication again. Also I'm not going to reply in this thread again because it's just arguing but I hope you read this and finally exhale.
>>2811916see the problem is youre still saying stuff like >Units that don't link have a tendency to drift which shows you have absolutely no idea how GPS works, even if you want to try to make an excuse that you were "talking about other systems" (just ignore every reply you sent where you explicitly talk about the functionality of GPS)
>>2811899Another one of your lies that you can easily debunk by, you know, actually going outside and testing it for yourself. Like >>2811905 said, experience trumps theoryEven the cheapest mobile phones on the market will pinpoint your location within 100 feet (usually closer to 10 feet). You don't know what you're talking about. >>2811904There's one person itt who has demonstrated his lack of knowledge on this subject and it's not me. It's the usual suspect.
>>2811906>>2811909The only things he was plugging in the navy were sailor anuses.
>>2811899Google maps registers your orientation when you do a U-turn in a parking lot.>1,000 ft if you're lucky>>281190410 feet sounds totally correct.
>>2811905>Get's intellectually destroyed>Resorts to writing fantasy fictionTruly increasable.You're only "pretending" to be retarded.
>>2811918>I'm just "pretending" to be retarded.>Everyone responding to me is the same personGPS doesn't drift. I'm 100% certain you're incapable of explaining what causes drift in communications devices. Continue dancing for me--if you're trolling you're embarrassingly bad at it. Honestly I think you're part of the Somali Navy and were trained in Eritrea.
>>2811899Depends on the phone. All cellphones have better location service while in network not all phones have good location out of network because there is a vast quality difference between the type of GPS antennas they use.
>>2812011Wrong reply?
>>2808308Every year the government offers you (and your children, if you want) a “free” booster. Go for at it champ. We should make covid vaccines compulsory for everyone. I agree with you. Keep taking them to stop the spread. “Free” anytime. The NHS has staff on hand to help you. For free. You can get one the same day. You could get three for free.
>>2808307Most this stuff uses their website or cloud features and shit. I'd suggest making your own so you can control your data. If you have it sync with your phone or computer it's sending it attached via your garmin account. I have my own based on a ublox chip and then just transfer everything to my computer and generate lan wiki pages for my tracks that compile stats and create a map so I can view it. In the field I just use the coordinates and paper maps.
>>2812060sorry, my bad.
>>2812060retard
>>2808308>>2808419>>2811447>the US military built and used a navigation system that reveals the location of their own nuclear submarines
>>2808307A couple options depending on schizo level:1. A custom rom android device that has no cell connection on the hardware level (eg tablet) You trust that the open source software running on it is not logging your gps and sending it off when you connect via wifi2. a device with no wireless capability (raspi, anything in a clear-front faraday bag, etc) running the maps, and a gps device that you don't connect to bluetooth. You trust that the bluetooth device isn't secretly transmitting your gps data to the internet via random passerby (bluetooth does not have enough range to be tracked effectively in the wilderness).3. like 2 but with a gps device that has no bluetooth. diy via a gps module, etrex 10, plgr/slgr >>2808538, etc. You trust that glowies don't have a secret tracking system in either of the devices that no one knows about.4. paper, you trust that you aren't retardedEveryone ITT who thinks gps involves bidirectional communication with the satellites is retarded.
>>2812269Dammit nigger your stupidity killed the whole thread!
